So..... is the Gamora buff final, or...?

You keep making digs about a Guide but not once have I claimed to be an expert on her. I said people have been making judgments before they've even used the buff.

Kabam, please re-evaluate this buff as a whole. This is waste of a buff slot considering her new utilities are so impractical it isn't funny. The miss countering is extremely niche and besides literally any other miss counter would outshine her. Her Evade and Auto-Block countering isn't even that good either because if people don't look towards Stark Spidey as an evade counter (his evade countering is identical to how Gamora's works), they sure as hell won't look to Gamora as either one of the two.

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What do we need to wait and see about? I can already test her miss counter, I’ve tried to get to 10 buffs against tunnel vision. It’s not fun. I got to 50 hits and gave up when I was at 3 buffs.

I tried her in Cav EQ, and after 70 hits the fight was over and I was still on 9 buffs. Not to mention, the only way she could deal with the falter from miss was due to the vigilance buff that she gets as a cosmic champ from the node. Without that, she would have been screwed.

I tried her evade counter, first time I tried, her heavy lasted longer than the stun from my parry and I got combo’d and KO. Next time, the opponent evaded 7 times before my sp3.

So are you recommending I wait until her buff gets here, so I can do the same things I’ve already done, and conclude the same thing I’ve already concluded? I’ve already tried to get to ten buffs for miss counter, and sp3 for evade counter. Neither are practical, I don’t need the buff to show me that.

Tell me, if a champion was buffed, and had an ability that triggered if you took 1000 hits in a fight, would you say wait and see for the buff?

mbrace

Gamora wins the prize for most insignificant buff ever. She even beat out Nova for that.

Sentry:

Those the only scenarios you encounter Miss or Auto-Block/Evade?

ChaosMax1012

Name a scenario you’d use her. I don’t think there are 3 minute nodes that trigger falter where gamora can gain her 10 buffs and no other champ can kill the opponent before then, but hey what do i know. I’ve only been playing for 4 years.

Then please name literally miss/evade/auto-block matchup where you would use her over the many other miss, auto-block and/or evade counters.

Here, I'll narrow down some of your options so it's easier for you.

Mesmerise: You'd likely be KO'd before you can counter it because her heavy right now is longer than a parry stun iirc. Plus its too much RNG so you might as well just give up on it.

Mix-Master: Anyone can do Mix-Master, she can too but with all the other evade counters in the game who reach their ability to counter it far quicker than her, is it really worth it?

Spry: Same reasons as Mesmerise.

When is a scenario that you encounter miss that you think “yeah, what sounds like a reasonable thing to do is get to 70 hits before I can counter this node”

Shadowstrike

You know this was done BEFORE they even announced scaling back to 2 a month?

You're thinking Nodes. Champions have those Abilities as well, and you don't need to have all present. Some have Auto-Block, some have Miss, some have Evade.
You're also looking at it from the point of view that she should do it better than others. That's not the point. The point is to give her more than she had before.
Is she top of the pile? No. Is she niche? Perhaps, yes. Whoever pulls her and doesn't have other options will still get more use from her.
For the record, I haven't said my opinion on it either way. I haven't said it was enough or not. I have to see her first. What I'm talking about is this whole expectation that these adjustments are supposed to make them comparably better. They're not really, not specifically. It's not about making them more preferable than others. It's about sprucing them up compared to how they currently perform.

For the record, I don't rely on paper to form my judgments. I have the same mentality when Champs are released. I allow adequate time in the game before I make judgments.

What champions that miss would you take gamora for and think hitting them 70 + times is a good ability?

Why exactly do you need to see her first? You can go and test all her abilities right now. The fact you keep ignoring this point and just harping on with your own shows that you know it’s valid, and you have no response to it.

You can't test Abilities and their use before they're live. You're entitled to your own opinion, but I don't make judgments without sufficient time in the game. That's just how I operate.

You can already get to 10 buffs with gamora can you not?

You can already get to an sp3 can you not?

What about that isn’t in the game today?

You don't seem to understand. All the changes to Gamora can be tested for their viability right now. Why wait for the buff to go live as we already know how a very niche miss would operate and a niche evade and auto-block counter.

Gamora has had the True Strike buff for ages now as well as the stressful buff control mechanic. No one looked to Gamora as an evade counter for the past year or two as far as I know. I seriously doubt that she would be looked to as an Evade or Auto-Block counter now.

If you want comments on her miss countering, check what @BitterSteel has been posting.

Point is, we know how she's going to turn out for the most part as we know what her "new" mechanics would look like ingame.

Because the entire problem with her miss and evade counter is getting to them, not the actual counter themselves. When you have ten buffs, sure I bet it’s great. When you have the true strike, yeah works perfectly. But there’s an inherent issue with taking 70+ hits to get to a miss counter. When 90% of the content we do is over before then. And besides, being able to refresh buffs while being able to miss is not going to work very well. There’s an inherent problem with getting to an sp3 to counter evade, because you’re in danger while getting there. It’s the reason nobody used spark, cable or gamora before this buff. And it’s the reason nobody will use them to counter evade after.

The people who have no other counters will. That's what you're missing. You're still looking at this like the outcome is meant to entice people to use her over other options. That isn't the point at all. I don't know how many times I can mention the flaws in the comparison outlook before people stop using that perspective.