Anyone else think Werewyrm got a bit screwed here?

Crcrcrc · October 2021

I totally understand unforeseen issues, but I feel like in the case of something like this a rematch is 100% necessary. Losing on a technical issue after all the work they had to put in to get there just really seems unfair to me. Is there something I’m missing that will clarify the situation for me? Or are you guys just moving on from this one?

Edit : I should mention I did not see the ending of the round, so if they still won that’s fine for me, but bugs like these should really be checked on in the future

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pseudosane · October 2021

He got totally screwed here. A loss does give bearing on the match, whatever Miike says. Upon that, Kabam John incorrectly said the miss chance was not that high, i guess 115% was not high enough for him, or he was ignorant to the fact that it is that high. Either ways, Wyrm deserves a rematch, this felt even less of a competition that it already was.

magnus_xix · October 2021

It's too late to do anything about it unfortunately. The winner has probably already got their prizes and Kabam can't just take it away from them now and do a rematch of the semi finals and finals.

AverageDesi · October 2021

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola

Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it

Fluffy_paws · October 2021

Literally just watched it, seems so unfair.

naikavon · October 2021

It is unfortunate that the bug happened. It's hard to account for the psychological effects of it happening.

But to say he got screwed is a bit much and takes away from the winner, Happy.

Happy won both matches so the bug happening in were's other match didn't decide the series. Now if he had beaten Happy, kabam would have had a serious issue on their hands cause then everyone would have been 1-1.

Kabam Miike · October 2021

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it

This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.

CoatHang3r · October 2021

Miles bug aside, werewyrm lost twice due to the Fight Time scoring overriding Defender HP remaining scoring. He fought longer and took more HP in two match ups but lost?

BitterSteel · October 2021

CoatHang3r said:
Miles bug aside, werewyrm lost twice due to the Fight Time scoring overriding Defender HP remaining scoring. He fought longer and took more HP in two match ups but lost?

Yeah that scoring method is bonkers. Going into the fight and immediately dying scores you a fair amount of points when it should get you 0.

AKTEK · October 2021

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.

Still not fair 👎! Your bug made him lose.This gave unfair advantage to opponent.

GroundedWisdom · October 2021

AKKKTEK said:

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.
Still not fair 👎! Your bug made him lose.This gave unfair advantage to opponent.

They understand that it's unfair, but there really is no solution at this point that isn't unfair to the other participants.

Pulyaman · October 2021

pseudosane said:
He got totally screwed here. A loss does give bearing on the match, whatever Miike says. Upon that, Kabam John incorrectly said the miss chance was not that high, i guess 115% was not high enough for him, or he was ignorant to the fact that it is that high. Either ways, Wyrm deserves a rematch, this felt even less of a competition that it already was.

That was actually funny. Not high enough chance of a miss.. Lol. It was more that 100%

Crcrcrc · October 2021

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.

So does that mean you guys are considering a rematch or is that just all to be said on the matter?

TimestoneAdarsH · October 2021

When I saw him Clapped I thought there is some miss counter node and Realised someone already used Ghost and Worked Properly and Thought S*IT

AverageDesi · October 2021

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.

Fair. I won't pretend to understand how exactly this works. But is there any reason you didn't patch this bug when every bug that is patched is available in the release notes other than lack of diligence?

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leviddleton · October 2021

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.

Except…. In your statement about it earlier you said, and I quote “ The bug was not caught until the series was over, but due to the fact that we do not believe it would have changed the outcome in selecting the winner, we did not re-do the series.”

Sooo…. Is it he chose a great counter and could have done it but lost due to a bug, OR is it “we do not believe this would have changed the outcome…”???

What a complete and total mess, and it is being double-talked out of the conversation. In my opinion.

Gamer · October 2021

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.

I’m sorry what the stuf when a bug is there a rematch is need and not because of your thoughts it didn’t had a outcome of the matches it the same to said I’m sure I’m wil had won if isn’t was a you’re bug it very not fair

leviddleton · October 2021

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.

Also, another point is that Kabam didn’t properly quality control their server for a tournament that was advertised to everyone in game and is pushed as a high stakes big deal annual event.

Not being negative or positive, just saying it so people can make their own thoughts on the matter.

RIP Werewyrm

Colinwhitworth69 · October 2021

Look, the kid lost a video game contest. No lives were lost. Don't act like this is the end of the world.

AverageDesi · October 2021

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Look, the kid lost a video game contest. No lives were lost. Don't act like this is the end of the world.

Look, this is a thread about a video game contest. No need to waste your time commenting

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Agent_X_zzz · October 2021

Werewrym is a beast of a player and totally got scrwed over from bugs, its quite sad how the #1 "competitive" event has bugs in it unchecked lol

Kabam Miike · October 2021

leviddleton said:

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.
Except…. In your statement about it earlier you said, and I quote “ The bug was not caught until the series was over, but due to the fact that we do not believe it would have changed the outcome in selecting the winner, we did not re-do the series.”

Sooo…. Is it he chose a great counter and could have done it but lost due to a bug, OR is it “we do not believe this would have changed the outcome…”???

What a complete and total mess, and it is being double-talked out of the conversation. In my opinion.

The outcome of the fight wouldn't have affected the outcome of the entire series, where Happy McMuffins swept all of his fights. We're not happy about this either, but made the decision to move forward since it was not noticed until the entire series had wrapped.

rockykoston · October 2021

Depends on the severity of the bug and it's impact.

If there's significant prize money involved, the organizer should consider a rematch or something to make up to the affected person.

Bugs happen often in online games, even competitive ones and usually players just move on.

Kerneas · October 2021

Imho, for the better feeling you should consider a fair rematch. If Happy McMuffins wins that one too, he will feel 100% fair victory without any clouds of unfairness

DNA3000 · October 2021

CoatHang3r said:
Miles bug aside, werewyrm lost twice due to the Fight Time scoring overriding Defender HP remaining scoring. He fought longer and took more HP in two match ups but lost?

That seemed to me to be a fundamental flaw in their scoring system as well. It weirdly seems to be another example of Kabam not understanding priority scoring and how tie breaking systems work. Ordinarily, I would say that, for example, whomever brings the defender down to a lower health level would win, and if they happen to bring the defender down to the same final level (including defeating the defender) then whomever gets there the fastest would win as a tie-breaker. However, they decided to use a synthetic score that in theory allows someone who deals less damage but ends the fight faster (such as by literally dying by accident) to score more points. This is very analogous to Kabam claiming that defender diversity was a "tie breaker" in war, in spite of the fact that by every reasonable definition of the term defender diversity was not a tie-breaking mechanism of any kind.

Technically, if all the competitors understand and agree with the scoring, then it is still fair, but if it generates sufficiently weird results like a player could literally die immediately - even deliberately - and still win, it can damage interest in observing a contest that appears to be nonsensical in determining the winners.

Werewrym · October 2021

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Look, the kid lost a video game contest. No lives were lost. Don't act like this is the end of the world.

On the one hand, I agree with you. It really is just a game and sometimes stuff happens. On the other hand, this is the most competitive thing in the game and we all are here becuase we take this game seriously, so its a shame that a bug interfered with my possible chances of winning. Kabam was super nice to me about the whole thing and gave me compensation for it, so I'm not mad, or upset, just disappointed.

I will probably do a write up later about my experience with the summoner showdown (which on the whole was a positive one).

H3t3r · October 2021

Werewrym said:

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Look, the kid lost a video game contest. No lives were lost. Don't act like this is the end of the world.
On the one hand, I agree with you. It really is just a game and sometimes stuff happens. On the other hand, this is the most competitive thing in the game and we all are here becuase we take this game seriously, so its a shame that a bug interfered with my possible chances of winning. Kabam was super nice to me about the whole thing and gave me compensation for it, so I'm not mad, or upset, just disappointed.

I will probably do a write up later about my experience with the summoner showdown (which on the whole was a positive one).

What was the compensation if I may ask?

leviddleton · October 2021

GroundedWisdom said:

AKKKTEK said:

Kabam Miike said:

AverageDesi said:

DrZola said:
It’s a shame. And no one could have seen this type of thing coming.

Dr. Zola
Kabam purposely used an older version of the game for whatever reasons. They should have checked the bugs that were present then and tried to fix it
This isn't quite right. When a Server Side fix is made, it has to be made to every server individually, and unfortunately, this one was missed. We didn't purposely use an older version of the game.

I do feel really bad for Werewrym on this one. He chose a great counter for P2099, but lost due to a bug.
Still not fair 👎! Your bug made him lose.This gave unfair advantage to opponent.
They understand that it's unfair, but there really is no solution at this point that isn't unfair to the other participants.

Sorry dude, but “not fair to that guy? Tough. He’s out. Gotta be fair to those guys, so this guy gets a raw deal”, that’s not it chief.

Anyone else think Werewyrm got a bit screwed here?

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