This is the best move I've seen kabam make in regards to EQ content. It brings the difficulty to challenging without being ridiculously hard and it gives the opportunity to use champs that would usually be benched. I look forward to the different tags that'll be used each month.
Seems like a lot of the ppl that hate it is because of not being able to use their top roster or not having the right champs ranked. If the champ benefits from the tag you could use a r3 to clear the paths due to the cross fights(which i had to do on a few occasions) so ranks shouldn't be an issue. If you are cavalier(which you need to be to even do the quest) then you should have at least 3 tagged champs 5r4/6r1 or higher or at the bare minimum 5r3 then the next 2 slots are used for top champs to tackle the boss.
I don’t understand why people continually bring up “people that don’t like it must not have champs that can handle it”.
I find the nodes to be very annoying. I have 20+ r3 6*, 40 (maybe more) rank 5 5*. I rank up a 5* like it’s candy I want. These nodes aren’t even difficult, they are annoying.
Anyways, you won’t get new tag rotations. They already said this is the last change they are making for awhile. So you won’t see new tags, these are what we get.
I brought up that reason because I read some of the comments and that was the issue for the majority(didn't say all).
As for nodes being annoying, i don't get that either. Yea the boss nodes are a little more annoying than usual but the path nodes are set up just like they were when it was class based(1 that benefits you, 1 neutral to get you the benefits and 1 to screw you if you don't benefit). The only change was from class to tagged and that change actually gives more opportunity to have ranked up champs because they're spread out over different classes.
Again not the setup of nodes, the nodes specifically on the lanes. Having to reparry on 3.1 is extremely annoying. No issue reparrying for myself but every fight, every combo 🤮.
Understood and agree with you there about some of the nodes but nodes rotate so it's not like the same thing will occur every month. Tough to judge the overall change on that alone. I think the change from class to tagged and the cross fights instead of ramp up every fight is a major plus.
I look at them as more disappointing. The node combinations are annoying, the cross fight buffs really makes players pick one champion to fight with. I just did a lane in 1.2 with(all 6*r1-3 and duped) x23, rhulk, namor, LC and HT (for Tigra). I used the 4 champions that benefited from cross fight buff on the first 4 fights then had 2 fights remaining and no one had actually benefited from them yet. Where as when it was the class global node buffs any champion with that class benefited from the first fight. If you lost a champion half way through as long as you had another champion of that global class you were fine.
Now with 3.1 with the reparry of course we could ignore that and doom them all down. But me, personally want to take advantage of the nodes and play the game within the rules the developers have setup. But if I do it’s just annoying. The difficulty is fine, I don’t find it anymore or any less in difficulty from previous months.
They do get the benefit from the attack bonus in the 1st fight while ramping them up. Maybe focus on 1 champ to carry you through the path or until death so you utilize the cross fights as much as possible or ramp up a 2nd champ if you need them as a specific counter.
The greatest advantage with cross fights over the class boosts though is that cross fights give you attack bonus even against the boss so 5r3/5r4/6r1 aren't completely useless after the path.
By no means are the changes perfect but it's heading in the right direction.
Tigra whooped my buttocks after I got to her just by using Howard. Ended up using multiple revives. Anyone got any advice?
The Falter was pretty annoying, as due to the combos, most of my special attack would be faltered. My thought process was initially I wanted a big special damage champion, but multi-hit specials can trigger falter if you're not paying attention.
I ended up using NF for my one runthrough. Didn't manage to solo, but he took off about 70% or so health, and then the remainder of my team finished her off.
Not to mention if you launched a special and it didn’t finish before their unstoppable kicked in.
They go into block and rush into you even before the animation finishes.
Dumbest EQ ever. What's the point of taking my sub-par tag champs when I can take my top ranked OP attackers and mow everything down in half the time. Seriously, I tried a few chapters with your tag and then said hey "let me try and bring Doom, CGR, Torch, Apoc, Hercules and see how that goes. It turns out it works better than trying to play your game of trying to get cross fight charges.
I feel sorry for the early mid Cavs that are trying to get through this quest because
1 - they probably don't have many ranked champs with the tags that benefit from it 2 - the benefits from getting charges are nothing compared to bring a better attacker 3 - they don't have OP attackers that can now throw most of this content in 20 hits
I tried using ramped up champs in 1.1 against Tigra. Eventually, it dawned on me that I could just bring Torch and call it a day.
I brought champs for the node bonuses and got ripped apart by the bosses. Probably because I was bringing doofuses like Moon Knight, Iron Fist, and DD.
Okay it is sort of an interesting idea on paper. But then you start to do the path itself, and you find that the champion that you finished the previous fight with has no viability in the next fight. It’s like if you ramped up Corvus Glaive and then the next fight is Ebony Maw. Or like if you’ve been working on getting cross fights for Red Hulk and the next fight is against an evader or a power gainer.
Lots of hate for this months EQ. I hope kabam is actually seeing these types of posts. State of the game is HORRIBLE atm, & while adding something new & intuitive to a 5yr old game is smart & exciting - the timing is terrible! FIX the bugs, controls/parry issues & other things FIRST. Personally love the idea of a new EQ style but i hate this months. Might sound funny but WAY too many nodes to read & account for lol also Its like you guys purposely add nodes to cover up the control/parry issue. Its hilarious. Also, increase the rewards if you're going to up the difficulty!
Even the tagged champions are useless what is point of 0.9 sec stun for defenders in 2.1 chapter. The stun gets over before the attacker finish the evade
Even the tagged champions are useless what is point of 0.9 sec stun for defenders in 2.1 chapter. The stun gets over before the attacker finish the evade
Try charging a heavy as soon as you evade with a champ who has a nice heavy reach, like Gwen, Venompool, Venom or Doc Oc.
It’s not ideal, and will take some practice but that’s how I’ve been doing it.
Tigra whooped my buttocks after I got to her just by using Howard. Ended up using multiple revives. Anyone got any advice?
Human Torch was an easy one shot. He doesn’t fall victim to falter at high temps.
Also, you should be using 3-4 champs to clear the path so they spread out the cross fights and take more to the boss. You can have champs boosted by 150-150-150 or 150-150-75-75 then an extra champ for the boss who doesn’t fit the nodes.
Even the tagged champions are useless what is point of 0.9 sec stun for defenders in 2.1 chapter. The stun gets over before the attacker finish the evade
You block, they attack in while unblockable, you evade and stun them, every single time without fail I've been able to light and even medium counter...
It’s still not inherently difficult for me, as I have ranked up characters of every tag included. But I hate it solely because it takes forever to preview, check the tags, switch the tags, add the champions, check the boss nodes, switch champs, etc.
Even the tagged champions are useless what is point of 0.9 sec stun for defenders in 2.1 chapter. The stun gets over before the attacker finish the evade
Not sure if this is how you're supposed to do the fight, but what i've been doing is ... first throw 2 parry/heavies and then let them try to hit me to trigger the stun and counter with some combos. Repeat this when they are not unblockable. https://youtu.be/K714w9Hr4U4
What is in between “love it” and “indifferent”? That’s where I’m at. This EQ cycle has encouraged me to use champs I don’t usually quest with, which is quite refreshing. Plus, with the cross fight charges, you can use a different attacker every fight, so that your entire team can have a boost against the boss.
Yes, kabam could’ve done better by using broader tags - as somebody earlier mentioned, villain, hero, size tags, etc. But I still see it as a positive step.
In my case I typically 100% each chapter in sequence before even moving to touch/complete the next to avoid changing teams all the time. Most were ok and I enjoyed the avengers one a lot.
That is, until I got to the mercenaries nonsense. I hate that one single chapter with a passion.
If u have Apocalypse and Cable, it helps a lot. Just keep doing parry/ stun, heavy. Occasionally throw a special attack. Cable works great against NF also.
First run was a little difficult, but it's pretty good now.
Interesting nodes and quite fun. I'm sure it'll get better. Something interesting every month if they keep it updated.
I'm talking about the cav difficulty. Taking on the boss with boosted champs is a plus , so is the fact that bosses aren't just +300% health but a combo of interesting nodes.
Hate it 3.1 is total exaggeration and lack of ideas probably out of desperation. Bad choice kabam, keep on doing this and all what is left is only you playing the game.
These pools of champions absolutely need to be increased, and not just to the same as classes, but more. People tend to rank up champions based on classes. “Oh my skill class is weak, better rank up this champ”. Nobody ever said, oh wow, I don’t have many A-Force champs ranked up, better fill up this gap in my roster. Most rosters have a fairly even split throughout classes. To accommodate that fact, I’d say the tags should cover around 40-45 champions, to increase the likelihood that people have suitable champions.
Well, you can't make filters so big that everyone has the champs, and then make the node all benefit and no penalty. That's just making the content universally easier. If you make the filters big enough that you're reasonably sure everyone has the champs, you have to design the difficulty on that assumption, and the difficulty will have to rise, and it won't be the players who have the champs that get a benefit, it will be the rare player that doesn't have the champs that get a huge penalty.
Lots of interesting points, but I want to focus on this bit. Is there a reason this isn’t what’s happening with Cav EQ at the moment?
Take the science node for example that gives the science champ a fury each time a debuff expires. Every single science champ has at least 1 debuff, parry. And every single science champ except for Rhino and Abom applies debuffs at some point by hitting the opponent (Abom can with synergy).
Or the mystic nullify global, only 6 or so mystics don’t nullify. Or the mutant bleed purify/nullify, every mutant can take advantage of that. Or the mutant special hit gives furies, every mutant can use specials.
So you say “you can’t make it all benefit and no penalty”, but that’s what’s happening here with an average of 35 champs filtered per quest. So is it the 35 champs that’s the issue? If the tags were bumped to an average of 35, equal with Class based globals would that be ok? Why is Cav EQ with class globals with no downsides not making the content universally easier, but having 35 tagged champions being involved would be?
I’m not arguing for the filter to be half the champs in the game, just a little more than Cav EQ, due to the nature of how players strive to balance their roster. They try to balance based on class, not based on the tags used today. So why is this current round of Cav Eq nodes ok with 25 ish champions available but no more, but Cav EQ has similarly benefitting nodes, but 35 champions affected? All I can think of is that somehow there’s some difference in your eyes between the benefit that the nodes give, or the cross fights. I’d be interested to hear your take on it
I kinda wish I had a complete list of all the Cav nodes, because honestly I haven't bothered to compile such a list. I'm mostly going from memory here, and my memory says that in general, the current tag-based nodes are more ignorable. All of the Class-based Cav node combinations seem to follow a general pattern. There's a buff on the defender that adds some extra difficulty component to them. Then there's a counter to that difficulty component that (mostly) only members of the class can take advantage of. Then there's an additional buff on the attacker that members of the class can build upon. So if you bring members of the class and use them effectively, you'll remove an element of difficulty and on top of that you'll have an easier time ending the fight quicker. Conversely, if you don't bring a member of the class to the fight, the fight will likely be much harder than the baseline difficulty because you'll have to deal with whatever the Cav node is adding to the defender that you might not be able to turn off.
The tag-based nodes this month are different in a couple of ways, but most significant for this discussion is that the downside element of them seems to be more ignorable or easier to mitigate without a filtered champion. For example:
Energy Interference: Every 4 seconds the Attacker is inflicted with a Power Lock Passive for 6 seconds. If the Defender is inflicted with a Debuff this timer is reset.
The number of champions outside the filter that can turn this off by landing debuffs is quite large. Or:
Robust Rivalry: Whenever the Attacker does not have any Buffs applied to them, the Defender passively Regenerates 1% of their Max Health every second.
Not only are there a lot of champs that can turn this off, you could even argue that the way the filter champs do is harder to execute than just bringing an attacker with a lot of intrinsic buffs.
In general, the penalty for not having the filtered champions is low, much lower than I think it generally is with the Class based nodes. But there tends to be noticeable penalties for not bringing members of the Class with the class based nodes, at least to a much higher degree than the tag based nodes.
I described this as a case between players "having" or "not having" the champions targeted by the nodes, but that's an oversimplification that masks the non-binary nature of what challenge the nodes pose. For most players, it is not enough to have "a champion" that fits the node. One champion will do better than none, but one champion will not likely solo the entire path. For most players, two is better than one, and three is better than two. The larger the filter is, the more likely it is that most players will have more of those champions to bring. The smaller the filter is, the more likely it is that most players will have fewer of those champions to bring. If we make the filters larger, we are in essence allowing players to bring a stronger roster on average. We then can - and in fact must - make the difficulty of the content higher to counterbalance this, by making the penalty when you're not using those champions higher. Across the entire playerbase this will average out: some players (those with more developed rosters) will have a much easier time, and those with less developed rosters will have a much harder time. Which is another way of saying there's a reward for developing rosters beyond ranking up a couple strong champions. That's one goal of the Cav nodes.
The converse is also true. If the filters are smaller and players are less likely to possess and have ranked up the champions in the tags, then players will be bringing fewer of them to the content. On average they will be getting less of the Cav node benefits, which is another way of saying on average players will be bringing less strong teams to the content. So the content has to be balanced around that: with teams that are closer together on average and less strong (less benefiting from the nodes) on average. That makes the content's base line difficulty generally lower and the penalty for not having the filtered champs closer to zero.
I hated them at 1st but in my exploration of it I grew to enjoy most of them, well what kabam is trying to achieve anyway. It needs some tweaking for sure but I like the concept.
3.1 sucked as a node forcing you to reparry but ai goes mh 90% of the time is terrible, but mascre spamming sp1 for those bleeds was so satisfying seeing the damage he could get upto.
3.2 was the funniest if it didn't give glaive a charge I used maw. It was so good seeing how good he could be just with some raised attack.
The others were ok falcon on the avengers one was so good though. Or sparkles on the aforce one, nothing like binary and give her even higher attack.
The concept is solid as you can use off tags and get it done reasonably fast where as the class ones took forever if you didn't have that class specific counter.
I wouldn't mind this staying at all but never repeat 3.1 in future content would be welcome for sure.
I love the new tags. Nice change of pace from classes. Hate some of the new nodes. 3.1 is just stupid difficult. Taking so much block damage trying to bait heavies. One missed side step and you're dead. That's not fun.
Haven't done Cav EQ in months and probably won't for a while
havent explored cav eq 100% in months and its because of kabam on insisting on making it annoying, stupid, boring, long and crippling to your roster, would much rather work on gearing up my alt acct to level 40 in preperation for the gifting event rather then do some stupidity that kabam continues to insist on putting out over and over again. #FoodforThought
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The greatest advantage with cross fights over the class boosts though is that cross fights give you attack bonus even against the boss so 5r3/5r4/6r1 aren't completely useless after the path.
By no means are the changes perfect but it's heading in the right direction.
And as noted earlier it’s like kabam is just saying “let’s throw unblockable, unstoppable and some sort of power gain at it”.
Another Cavalier EQ I won’t finish. So the bottlenecking continues.
They go into block and rush into you even before the animation finishes.
I feel sorry for the early mid Cavs that are trying to get through this quest because
1 - they probably don't have many ranked champs with the tags that benefit from it
2 - the benefits from getting charges are nothing compared to bring a better attacker
3 - they don't have OP attackers that can now throw most of this content in 20 hits
I tried using ramped up champs in 1.1 against Tigra. Eventually, it dawned on me that I could just bring Torch and call it a day.
Okay it is sort of an interesting idea on paper. But then you start to do the path itself, and you find that the champion that you finished the previous fight with has no viability in the next fight. It’s like if you ramped up Corvus Glaive and then the next fight is Ebony Maw. Or like if you’ve been working on getting cross fights for Red Hulk and the next fight is against an evader or a power gainer.
Wow.
It’s not ideal, and will take some practice but that’s how I’ve been doing it.
Hate it
It's terrible, i preferred the way it was before, i
will stop doing Cavalier from now until they come with something different!
Also, you should be using 3-4 champs to clear the path so they spread out the cross fights and take more to the boss. You can have champs boosted by 150-150-150 or 150-150-75-75 then an extra champ for the boss who doesn’t fit the nodes.
Too much planning to do simple monthly content
Yes, kabam could’ve done better by using broader tags - as somebody earlier mentioned, villain, hero, size tags, etc. But I still see it as a positive step.
That is, until I got to the mercenaries nonsense. I hate that one single chapter with a passion.
This time they make me read a lot, after reading, feel tired to play, and forget what the first line said 😄
Interesting nodes and quite fun. I'm sure it'll get better. Something interesting every month if they keep it updated.
I'm talking about the cav difficulty. Taking on the boss with boosted champs is a plus , so is the fact that bosses aren't just +300% health but a combo of interesting nodes.
3.1 is total exaggeration and lack of ideas probably out of desperation.
Bad choice kabam, keep on doing this and all what is left is only you playing the game.
The tag-based nodes this month are different in a couple of ways, but most significant for this discussion is that the downside element of them seems to be more ignorable or easier to mitigate without a filtered champion. For example:
Energy Interference: Every 4 seconds the Attacker is inflicted with a Power Lock Passive for 6 seconds. If the Defender is inflicted with a Debuff this timer is reset.
The number of champions outside the filter that can turn this off by landing debuffs is quite large. Or:
Robust Rivalry: Whenever the Attacker does not have any Buffs applied to them, the Defender passively Regenerates 1% of their Max Health every second.
Not only are there a lot of champs that can turn this off, you could even argue that the way the filter champs do is harder to execute than just bringing an attacker with a lot of intrinsic buffs.
In general, the penalty for not having the filtered champions is low, much lower than I think it generally is with the Class based nodes. But there tends to be noticeable penalties for not bringing members of the Class with the class based nodes, at least to a much higher degree than the tag based nodes.
I described this as a case between players "having" or "not having" the champions targeted by the nodes, but that's an oversimplification that masks the non-binary nature of what challenge the nodes pose. For most players, it is not enough to have "a champion" that fits the node. One champion will do better than none, but one champion will not likely solo the entire path. For most players, two is better than one, and three is better than two. The larger the filter is, the more likely it is that most players will have more of those champions to bring. The smaller the filter is, the more likely it is that most players will have fewer of those champions to bring. If we make the filters larger, we are in essence allowing players to bring a stronger roster on average. We then can - and in fact must - make the difficulty of the content higher to counterbalance this, by making the penalty when you're not using those champions higher. Across the entire playerbase this will average out: some players (those with more developed rosters) will have a much easier time, and those with less developed rosters will have a much harder time. Which is another way of saying there's a reward for developing rosters beyond ranking up a couple strong champions. That's one goal of the Cav nodes.
The converse is also true. If the filters are smaller and players are less likely to possess and have ranked up the champions in the tags, then players will be bringing fewer of them to the content. On average they will be getting less of the Cav node benefits, which is another way of saying on average players will be bringing less strong teams to the content. So the content has to be balanced around that: with teams that are closer together on average and less strong (less benefiting from the nodes) on average. That makes the content's base line difficulty generally lower and the penalty for not having the filtered champs closer to zero.
3.1 sucked as a node forcing you to reparry but ai goes mh 90% of the time is terrible, but mascre spamming sp1 for those bleeds was so satisfying seeing the damage he could get upto.
3.2 was the funniest if it didn't give glaive a charge I used maw. It was so good seeing how good he could be just with some raised attack.
The others were ok falcon on the avengers one was so good though. Or sparkles on the aforce one, nothing like binary and give her even higher attack.
The concept is solid as you can use off tags and get it done reasonably fast where as the class ones took forever if you didn't have that class specific counter.
I wouldn't mind this staying at all but never repeat 3.1 in future content would be welcome for sure.
If it is the Epic difficulty, that’s good to see a return to the usual level.
Not happy with Epic, do the others.