Also, can we stop calling it a punishment? No one is punishing anyone. Items are meant to be used, or you have the option of sitting on them. In 6 years of my time here, that's never changed. The only time it did was when they had outdated Crystals they needed to open on the back end to free the server. They said they stopped announcing the Featured because they didn't want to PROMOTE hoarding. Not that they wanted to stop people from doing it. That's not a thing.
But this promotes and even requires hoarding to the extreme.
Your point isn’t applicable
How so? What guarantee do you have that this Trade-In will come again? In fact, the more people complain about it, the less likely this form will show up again. Bottom line is something came along and not everyone has what's required to get everything. **** happens.
Also, can we stop calling it a punishment? No one is punishing anyone. Items are meant to be used, or you have the option of sitting on them. In 6 years of my time here, that's never changed. The only time it did was when they had outdated Crystals they needed to open on the back end to free the server. They said they stopped announcing the Featured because they didn't want to PROMOTE hoarding. Not that they wanted to stop people from doing it. That's not a thing.
But this promotes and even requires hoarding to the extreme.
Your point isn’t applicable
How so? What guarantee do you have that this Trade-In will come again? In fact, the more people complain about it, the less likely this form will show up again. Bottom line is something came along and not everyone has what's required to get everything. **** happens.
What guarantee do you have that this trade in won't come again?
Also, can we stop calling it a punishment? No one is punishing anyone. Items are meant to be used, or you have the option of sitting on them. In 6 years of my time here, that's never changed. The only time it did was when they had outdated Crystals they needed to open on the back end to free the server. They said they stopped announcing the Featured because they didn't want to PROMOTE hoarding. Not that they wanted to stop people from doing it. That's not a thing.
But this promotes and even requires hoarding to the extreme.
Your point isn’t applicable
How so? What guarantee do you have that this Trade-In will come again? In fact, the more people complain about it, the less likely this form will show up again. Bottom line is something came along and not everyone has what's required to get everything. **** happens.
What guarantee do you have that this trade in won't come again?
I don't but I'm sure as hell not going to assume Kabam is telling me to hoard, and never spending anything again. Drastic much? It's okay to miss out. It happens all the time.
Also, can we stop calling it a punishment? No one is punishing anyone. Items are meant to be used, or you have the option of sitting on them. In 6 years of my time here, that's never changed. The only time it did was when they had outdated Crystals they needed to open on the back end to free the server. They said they stopped announcing the Featured because they didn't want to PROMOTE hoarding. Not that they wanted to stop people from doing it. That's not a thing.
But this promotes and even requires hoarding to the extreme.
Your point isn’t applicable
How so? What guarantee do you have that this Trade-In will come again? In fact, the more people complain about it, the less likely this form will show up again. Bottom line is something came along and not everyone has what's required to get everything. **** happens.
What guarantee do you have that this trade in won't come again?
I don't but I'm sure as hell not going to assume Kabam is telling me to hoard, and never spending anything again. Drastic much? It's okay to miss out. It happens all the time.
This isn’t the first trade in event, this won’t be the last. Miss out on it once, shame on me. It won’t happen again… that’s not dramatic, it’s facts.
Also, can we stop calling it a punishment? No one is punishing anyone. Items are meant to be used, or you have the option of sitting on them. In 6 years of my time here, that's never changed. The only time it did was when they had outdated Crystals they needed to open on the back end to free the server. They said they stopped announcing the Featured because they didn't want to PROMOTE hoarding. Not that they wanted to stop people from doing it. That's not a thing.
But this promotes and even requires hoarding to the extreme.
Your point isn’t applicable
How so? What guarantee do you have that this Trade-In will come again? In fact, the more people complain about it, the less likely this form will show up again. Bottom line is something came along and not everyone has what's required to get everything. **** happens.
What guarantee do you have that this trade in won't come again?
I don't but I'm sure as hell not going to assume Kabam is telling me to hoard, and never spending anything again. Drastic much? It's okay to miss out. It happens all the time.
This isn’t the first trade in event, this won’t be the last. Miss out on it once, shame on me. It won’t happen again… that’s not dramatic, it’s facts.
Listen, I respect the fact that people can choose to hold on to their Items. I'm speaking for myself personally. If I have an immediate use for something, I'm not inclined to hold it for a year on a maybe. I'm speaking more specifically about one Event that leads people to assume they're telling everyone to hoard. That's jumping to conclusions.
Also, can we stop calling it a punishment? No one is punishing anyone. Items are meant to be used, or you have the option of sitting on them. In 6 years of my time here, that's never changed. The only time it did was when they had outdated Crystals they needed to open on the back end to free the server. They said they stopped announcing the Featured because they didn't want to PROMOTE hoarding. Not that they wanted to stop people from doing it. That's not a thing.
But this promotes and even requires hoarding to the extreme.
Your point isn’t applicable
How so? What guarantee do you have that this Trade-In will come again? In fact, the more people complain about it, the less likely this form will show up again. Bottom line is something came along and not everyone has what's required to get everything. **** happens.
What guarantee do you have that this trade in won't come again?
I don't but I'm sure as hell not going to assume Kabam is telling me to hoard, and never spending anything again. Drastic much? It's okay to miss out. It happens all the time.
Missing out on one of the best items in the game is not something that’s just every day stuff. If it was literally almost anything else I wouldn’t care
It happens. This came along after I used a number of Gems. I have a Gen and a Class. Do I want the 6*? Obviously. We all do. I'm just capable of walking away when something isn't happening.
Also, can we stop calling it a punishment? No one is punishing anyone. Items are meant to be used, or you have the option of sitting on them. In 6 years of my time here, that's never changed. The only time it did was when they had outdated Crystals they needed to open on the back end to free the server. They said they stopped announcing the Featured because they didn't want to PROMOTE hoarding. Not that they wanted to stop people from doing it. That's not a thing.
But this promotes and even requires hoarding to the extreme.
Your point isn’t applicable
How so? What guarantee do you have that this Trade-In will come again? In fact, the more people complain about it, the less likely this form will show up again. Bottom line is something came along and not everyone has what's required to get everything. **** happens.
What guarantee do you have that this trade in won't come again?
I don't but I'm sure as hell not going to assume Kabam is telling me to hoard, and never spending anything again. Drastic much? It's okay to miss out. It happens all the time.
Missing out on one of the best items in the game is not something that’s just every day stuff. If it was literally almost anything else I wouldn’t care
Exactly. This item little can turn an account around. And this isn't something you can miss out on if you are wanting every advantage to be at the top 1%
Also, can we stop calling it a punishment? No one is punishing anyone. Items are meant to be used, or you have the option of sitting on them. In 6 years of my time here, that's never changed. The only time it did was when they had outdated Crystals they needed to open on the back end to free the server. They said they stopped announcing the Featured because they didn't want to PROMOTE hoarding. Not that they wanted to stop people from doing it. That's not a thing.
But this promotes and even requires hoarding to the extreme.
Your point isn’t applicable
How so? What guarantee do you have that this Trade-In will come again? In fact, the more people complain about it, the less likely this form will show up again. Bottom line is something came along and not everyone has what's required to get everything. **** happens.
What guarantee do you have that this trade in won't come again?
I don't but I'm sure as hell not going to assume Kabam is telling me to hoard, and never spending anything again. Drastic much? It's okay to miss out. It happens all the time.
This isn’t the first trade in event, this won’t be the last. Miss out on it once, shame on me. It won’t happen again… that’s not dramatic, it’s facts.
Listen, I respect the fact that people can choose to hold on to their Items. I'm speaking for myself personally. If I have an immediate use for something, I'm not inclined to hold it for a year on a maybe. I'm speaking more specifically about one Event that leads people to assume they're telling everyone to hoard. That's jumping to conclusions.
This event is 100% telling people to hoard everything. Do they have to spell it out for you?
No. That's an assumption that they're bringing it back and that's the implication. It's telling people if you have the Items RIGHT NOW, you can trade them.
I just don’t want to be caught with my pants down again, so therefore I will be “hoarding” or sitting on every item I get, no matter how insignificant it might seem on the off chance that something like this happens again. It does not sound fun to have an account stacked with random stuff I’ve accumulated and be afraid of using it, but it’s better than missing out on one of the rarest items in the game.
The people claiming to be "end game players"... Why are u guys using all your AG?.. and even if u used them.. u can still trade some... I find it hard to believe End game players have used ALL OF THEIR AGs...
You could open 12 5* awakening-gem crystals and not manage to get the 6* gem. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of using them.
You find it hard to believe end game players use their gems, I find it hard to believe people can have opinions like this.
Why cause it doesnt benefit your cause?... I'll tell u my experience... I dont rank up junk champs, using an AG even less... I had about 57 4* AGs crystals from Solo crystal's And about 400 solo crystals in stock. I also had 4 generic AG 3 mutant and 2 of the other classes except Skill... So yeah this event was great for me.. now calling an even UNFAIR, cause it doesnt benefit u is a bit ridiculous... Because someone "preached" on using everything... Yeah it is ridiculous and a little bit narcissistic, also i think i read an AG was used on SWSigil...a paywall champ u can get to dup if u continue with a sigil.. so yeah u want to pop resources like candy good for u... An event like this happens u can't call it unfair cause it doesnt benefit one's needs... It might Suck for u but far from being unfair
And let me ask a question When the gold sale happened, was it "UNFAIR" for the people that didnt farm gold before it hit?
No, because you could do incursions, arena, EQ to get it. That's the problem with this event.
The total sale was over 6 mill gold, it was not an easy farm for people that didnt have it. I read people posting about selling 3 and 4* awakening gems.. thats on them
I don't get your stance on this?
It seems that you are upset because we feel that we should have got a chance.
This is not a Cav vs TB situation. This is not a Pay vs F2P situation This is not a AQ top 20 vs Bottom 3000 This is not a Masters AW vs Silver AW
This is a peer conversation for people who have close to 100% content if not almost finished.
It's one thing if we were upset about the pulls we got, it's another when we don't have an opportunity.
This isn't narcissistic. Nothing ridiculous about feeling left out here.
There has never been a precedent of trading 5 generic 5* gems for a 6* awakening crystal.
Only end game AG hoarders, or spenders (who spent 1k+ USD on their account) who first didn't really need to use 5* generic gems so they hoarded them, and second, the main factor, hoarded 2+ of each 5* AGs, have the opportunity to cash in on this 5 gems for 6* awakening crystal deal.
Having hoarded 5* AGs (particularly not using a generic 5* AG) for years isn't skill, because there was no such trade in value.
Who said anything about skill? Its about working and earning those AGs.. there were so many given this year alone.
I also made the point that well if you are a collector of silver stars and want them all dup thats the way you like playing the game. There NEVER WAS A GOLD SALE EITHER, but a lot of people didnt complain about it... A few did same as now. If we are only going to play a game based on precedents there wouldnt be anything new... It is narcisistic to think hey its unfair cause i cant get it.. so what would have been a fair price? I remind you that the base price of an 6* AG is finishing the abyss or a paywall of 15k+ units.. so what is a fair price? 4.. 3 generic AGs?... Maybe the exact ammount that you have to be able to get it? Wanna talk about skill? I dont think there is any skill in slapping an awakening gem on every piece of 5*.... Specially when the game is taking the direction of giving you 5* as iso banks. Just by finishing act 3 u get a 5* for free on this anniversary calendar... And end game players are complaining cause they spent every AG? 🤣
Your examples are terrible.
Skill was mentioned earlier regarding how this "cost" (5 generic 5* AG) isn't relievable, earnable (can't be grinded for, like gold or units). It comes down to who hoarded AGs- whether due to being a big spender (who rarely/never relied on AGs), or accounts who only using 1 or 2 AGs in one's 4+ year playing this game.
This makes it remarkably different than the gold tradein event.
No one is arguing here for or against, "always follow the precedent." Regarding new content. Any new concepts/ideas should be met with scrutiny, as players have been showing here. You ask, "what is a fair price?" Yet try to dismiss people's complaint that the price this time is too high this time, because AGs weren't marketed as a currency to be hoarded.
Funny how you mention the 6* AG "paywall" aspect from abyss, but you forget abyss is permanent content. Moreover, you fail to account that as time progresses, items devalue, so why shouldn't players not want their opinions dismissed, especially if it's a majority. How much an item devalues is debatable, but is worth discussing.
1) AGs are finite compared to gold/units. Players can't earn more AGs currently before tradein event ends. They can grind other currencies.
2) Players feelings of frustration are valid here, and people dismissing them as narcissistic and their opinions invalid haven't shown how it is such, but rather the contrary.
3) there are many players who hoarded AGs, yet used 1 or 2 generic AGs, and are still barred from this tradein 5* AGs for 1 6* AG crystal. Your weird statement of end game players complaining unfair because they uses most of their 5* AG doesn't apply to many here who have voiced their complaints.
4) AGs were never marketed as a tradein item/currency, so why should players be punished for not treating it as a currency?
5) there are some players saying, they should hoard everything, because what other future items they currently have can become a currency? That's a valid concern for non-big spenders.
U r so enraged u can't trade for a 6* AG u cant even read right...who said anything about gold trade in? I meant the Gold sale they had where u could get a bunch of stuff for 6 million gold...they didnt announce it.. a lot of people missed out.. YOUR POINTS 1- Never talked about gold trade... The point of the GOLD SALE was to compare it to the fact that both events were never announced prior or never happened before.
2- Frustration, anger is valid, sucks to be left out. Fairness on the other hand?..just because they can't get it its not fair? So what would a fair price be?.. the one that they can afford?...
3- I dont understand why "Endgame" players would be using AGs on absolutely everything...I'll give u a few examples from this post only... People used AGs on Sigil SW...its their own choice and i respect it.. Dont call an event unfair cause u used your resouces as u wished and now you can't afford the other. Its the way life works..
4- AG were never marketed as trade.. TRUE, there is a first time for everything!... Nexus 6* crystals were never sold for gold... Did people complain about this?.. yes only the ones that didnt get a warning to pre farm gold... Did they announce such thing?. No This was announced a few days ago, announcing it didnt help cause its not something that u could have farmed. So what would have been a fair timeframe to announce a first time event?..
5- Hoarding.. do you really think that when Kabam talks about the issue of hoarding, they are talking about an item that stacks in 5?... A rare item that u were able to get 1 per month maybe?...
The only aspect of this whole post that i would agree to would be the fact that u should be able to trade 3 of any class for 1 Generic... Everything else i believe is fair
The gold nexus crystal you can farm. Please stop using that as an example. It was a currency that could be obtained , and many did grind it. Even content creators put out ways to farm gold. The gold event was not a "tough luck" Situation .
Even if I had 1000 4* AGs I could still only trade them in for 5 chances at the 5* AG I needed.
There aren't many places to get generic gems in the game. For 6* gems it's even more of a rare occurrence.
You don't hear anyone having issues about having to work for them. I really don't see how that is hard for you to understand.
It was a great and FAIR event, a lot of people were able to trade and some weren't. And about a lot of people willing to work for it..there is a lot of people that in the last months didnt even wanna bother with EQ, SQ, objectives and so on.. does this mean that they would have the resources to trade if they did?.. hard to tell its based on RNG.. but there was a lot of generic AGs in the last couple of months.
If they didn't bother with EQ or SQ that is their decision, if Kabam told them " Get ready and you want to do this event because XYZ" they would do it.
They have communicated about summer of pain so we held out resources to rank the best champs.
They have communicated about the 2 month side event( which was the worst BTW) so we did the event so next month we could get better rewards.
They told us about the new 1v1 challenge so people are getting prepared for that.
Summer of pain happens every year... How can u compare an event that you have to fight and get rewards to a trade store .. How did u rank the best champs when they didn't announce the fights and nodes?... How do u prepare for 1v1?....All u did is see a format on the showdown...u still dont know how its gonna work...
I basically got sent to abyss.
The weeks leading up to SOP was worth 1 gold only and the fights were tough.
Let's say you decided to skip all 11 weeks, because it's a waste of time.
Now imagine the day the big event drops you find you aren't eligible for the rewards because you skipped the other weeks.
Everyone knew that they had to continue or else they would miss out on rewards.
How on earth is this comparable to SoP.. And u still failed to explain to me HOW you ranked up your best champions when EVERY FIGHT was announced on release date except for the last one that had all the fights combined?..
My point is no one knew it was coming or we would have done things differently.
I didn't say anyone was ranking , I said people were getting prepared. There are multiple people that are starting to think about the 1v1 . Also, Kabam said they would look similar to the showdown.
That's the point of a surprise though. It was a surprise. Not to mention announcing these things in advance would be pandemonium.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
The people claiming to be "end game players"... Why are u guys using all your AG?.. and even if u used them.. u can still trade some... I find it hard to believe End game players have used ALL OF THEIR AGs...
You could open 12 5* awakening-gem crystals and not manage to get the 6* gem. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of using them.
You find it hard to believe end game players use their gems, I find it hard to believe people can have opinions like this.
Why cause it doesnt benefit your cause?... I'll tell u my experience... I dont rank up junk champs, using an AG even less... I had about 57 4* AGs crystals from Solo crystal's And about 400 solo crystals in stock. I also had 4 generic AG 3 mutant and 2 of the other classes except Skill... So yeah this event was great for me.. now calling an even UNFAIR, cause it doesnt benefit u is a bit ridiculous... Because someone "preached" on using everything... Yeah it is ridiculous and a little bit narcissistic, also i think i read an AG was used on SWSigil...a paywall champ u can get to dup if u continue with a sigil.. so yeah u want to pop resources like candy good for u... An event like this happens u can't call it unfair cause it doesnt benefit one's needs... It might Suck for u but far from being unfair
And let me ask a question When the gold sale happened, was it "UNFAIR" for the people that didnt farm gold before it hit?
No, because you could do incursions, arena, EQ to get it. That's the problem with this event.
The total sale was over 6 mill gold, it was not an easy farm for people that didnt have it. I read people posting about selling 3 and 4* awakening gems.. thats on them
I don't get your stance on this?
It seems that you are upset because we feel that we should have got a chance.
This is not a Cav vs TB situation. This is not a Pay vs F2P situation This is not a AQ top 20 vs Bottom 3000 This is not a Masters AW vs Silver AW
This is a peer conversation for people who have close to 100% content if not almost finished.
It's one thing if we were upset about the pulls we got, it's another when we don't have an opportunity.
This isn't narcissistic. Nothing ridiculous about feeling left out here.
There has never been a precedent of trading 5 generic 5* gems for a 6* awakening crystal.
Only end game AG hoarders, or spenders (who spent 1k+ USD on their account) who first didn't really need to use 5* generic gems so they hoarded them, and second, the main factor, hoarded 2+ of each 5* AGs, have the opportunity to cash in on this 5 gems for 6* awakening crystal deal.
Having hoarded 5* AGs (particularly not using a generic 5* AG) for years isn't skill, because there was no such trade in value.
Who said anything about skill? Its about working and earning those AGs.. there were so many given this year alone.
I also made the point that well if you are a collector of silver stars and want them all dup thats the way you like playing the game. There NEVER WAS A GOLD SALE EITHER, but a lot of people didnt complain about it... A few did same as now. If we are only going to play a game based on precedents there wouldnt be anything new... It is narcisistic to think hey its unfair cause i cant get it.. so what would have been a fair price? I remind you that the base price of an 6* AG is finishing the abyss or a paywall of 15k+ units.. so what is a fair price? 4.. 3 generic AGs?... Maybe the exact ammount that you have to be able to get it? Wanna talk about skill? I dont think there is any skill in slapping an awakening gem on every piece of 5*.... Specially when the game is taking the direction of giving you 5* as iso banks. Just by finishing act 3 u get a 5* for free on this anniversary calendar... And end game players are complaining cause they spent every AG? 🤣
Your examples are terrible.
Skill was mentioned earlier regarding how this "cost" (5 generic 5* AG) isn't relievable, earnable (can't be grinded for, like gold or units). It comes down to who hoarded AGs- whether due to being a big spender (who rarely/never relied on AGs), or accounts who only using 1 or 2 AGs in one's 4+ year playing this game.
This makes it remarkably different than the gold tradein event.
No one is arguing here for or against, "always follow the precedent." Regarding new content. Any new concepts/ideas should be met with scrutiny, as players have been showing here. You ask, "what is a fair price?" Yet try to dismiss people's complaint that the price this time is too high this time, because AGs weren't marketed as a currency to be hoarded.
Funny how you mention the 6* AG "paywall" aspect from abyss, but you forget abyss is permanent content. Moreover, you fail to account that as time progresses, items devalue, so why shouldn't players not want their opinions dismissed, especially if it's a majority. How much an item devalues is debatable, but is worth discussing.
1) AGs are finite compared to gold/units. Players can't earn more AGs currently before tradein event ends. They can grind other currencies.
2) Players feelings of frustration are valid here, and people dismissing them as narcissistic and their opinions invalid haven't shown how it is such, but rather the contrary.
3) there are many players who hoarded AGs, yet used 1 or 2 generic AGs, and are still barred from this tradein 5* AGs for 1 6* AG crystal. Your weird statement of end game players complaining unfair because they uses most of their 5* AG doesn't apply to many here who have voiced their complaints.
4) AGs were never marketed as a tradein item/currency, so why should players be punished for not treating it as a currency?
5) there are some players saying, they should hoard everything, because what other future items they currently have can become a currency? That's a valid concern for non-big spenders.
U r so enraged u can't trade for a 6* AG u cant even read right...who said anything about gold trade in? I meant the Gold sale they had where u could get a bunch of stuff for 6 million gold...they didnt announce it.. a lot of people missed out.. YOUR POINTS 1- Never talked about gold trade... The point of the GOLD SALE was to compare it to the fact that both events were never announced prior or never happened before.
2- Frustration, anger is valid, sucks to be left out. Fairness on the other hand?..just because they can't get it its not fair? So what would a fair price be?.. the one that they can afford?...
3- I dont understand why "Endgame" players would be using AGs on absolutely everything...I'll give u a few examples from this post only... People used AGs on Sigil SW...its their own choice and i respect it.. Dont call an event unfair cause u used your resouces as u wished and now you can't afford the other. Its the way life works..
4- AG were never marketed as trade.. TRUE, there is a first time for everything!... Nexus 6* crystals were never sold for gold... Did people complain about this?.. yes only the ones that didnt get a warning to pre farm gold... Did they announce such thing?. No This was announced a few days ago, announcing it didnt help cause its not something that u could have farmed. So what would have been a fair timeframe to announce a first time event?..
5- Hoarding.. do you really think that when Kabam talks about the issue of hoarding, they are talking about an item that stacks in 5?... A rare item that u were able to get 1 per month maybe?...
The only aspect of this whole post that i would agree to would be the fact that u should be able to trade 3 of any class for 1 Generic... Everything else i believe is fair
The gold nexus crystal you can farm. Please stop using that as an example. It was a currency that could be obtained , and many did grind it. Even content creators put out ways to farm gold. The gold event was not a "tough luck" Situation .
Even if I had 1000 4* AGs I could still only trade them in for 5 chances at the 5* AG I needed.
There aren't many places to get generic gems in the game. For 6* gems it's even more of a rare occurrence.
You don't hear anyone having issues about having to work for them. I really don't see how that is hard for you to understand.
It was a great and FAIR event, a lot of people were able to trade and some weren't. And about a lot of people willing to work for it..there is a lot of people that in the last months didnt even wanna bother with EQ, SQ, objectives and so on.. does this mean that they would have the resources to trade if they did?.. hard to tell its based on RNG.. but there was a lot of generic AGs in the last couple of months.
If they didn't bother with EQ or SQ that is their decision, if Kabam told them " Get ready and you want to do this event because XYZ" they would do it.
They have communicated about summer of pain so we held out resources to rank the best champs.
They have communicated about the 2 month side event( which was the worst BTW) so we did the event so next month we could get better rewards.
They told us about the new 1v1 challenge so people are getting prepared for that.
Summer of pain happens every year... How can u compare an event that you have to fight and get rewards to a trade store .. How did u rank the best champs when they didn't announce the fights and nodes?... How do u prepare for 1v1?....All u did is see a format on the showdown...u still dont know how its gonna work...
I basically got sent to abyss.
The weeks leading up to SOP was worth 1 gold only and the fights were tough.
Let's say you decided to skip all 11 weeks, because it's a waste of time.
Now imagine the day the big event drops you find you aren't eligible for the rewards because you skipped the other weeks.
Everyone knew that they had to continue or else they would miss out on rewards.
How on earth is this comparable to SoP.. And u still failed to explain to me HOW you ranked up your best champions when EVERY FIGHT was announced on release date except for the last one that had all the fights combined?..
My point is no one knew it was coming or we would have done things differently.
I didn't say anyone was ranking , I said people were getting prepared. There are multiple people that are starting to think about the 1v1 . Also, Kabam said they would look similar to the showdown.
That's the point of a surprise though. It was a surprise. Not to mention announcing these things in advance would be pandemonium.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
SO because I don't agree, then I have nothing to contribute? Pretty one-sided discussion if that's the case.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
I’m sorry but I fail to see how you think that anyone has to appreciate your perspective to contribute to a conversation…. I’m on the same side of the conversation as you but that is absolutely ridiculous…. A conversation where everyone agrees isn’t much of a discussion, it’s a bunch of people repeating themselves…
And just out of curiosity why the hell do you believe that someone’s progression in the validates or completely discredits their belief??? Or that they are obligated to validate their level of experience for your piece of mind.(not sure what aq has to do with personal progression either)
The people claiming to be "end game players"... Why are u guys using all your AG?.. and even if u used them.. u can still trade some... I find it hard to believe End game players have used ALL OF THEIR AGs...
You could open 12 5* awakening-gem crystals and not manage to get the 6* gem. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of using them.
You find it hard to believe end game players use their gems, I find it hard to believe people can have opinions like this.
Why cause it doesnt benefit your cause?... I'll tell u my experience... I dont rank up junk champs, using an AG even less... I had about 57 4* AGs crystals from Solo crystal's And about 400 solo crystals in stock. I also had 4 generic AG 3 mutant and 2 of the other classes except Skill... So yeah this event was great for me.. now calling an even UNFAIR, cause it doesnt benefit u is a bit ridiculous... Because someone "preached" on using everything... Yeah it is ridiculous and a little bit narcissistic, also i think i read an AG was used on SWSigil...a paywall champ u can get to dup if u continue with a sigil.. so yeah u want to pop resources like candy good for u... An event like this happens u can't call it unfair cause it doesnt benefit one's needs... It might Suck for u but far from being unfair
And let me ask a question When the gold sale happened, was it "UNFAIR" for the people that didnt farm gold before it hit?
No, because you could do incursions, arena, EQ to get it. That's the problem with this event.
The total sale was over 6 mill gold, it was not an easy farm for people that didnt have it. I read people posting about selling 3 and 4* awakening gems.. thats on them
I don't get your stance on this?
It seems that you are upset because we feel that we should have got a chance.
This is not a Cav vs TB situation. This is not a Pay vs F2P situation This is not a AQ top 20 vs Bottom 3000 This is not a Masters AW vs Silver AW
This is a peer conversation for people who have close to 100% content if not almost finished.
It's one thing if we were upset about the pulls we got, it's another when we don't have an opportunity.
This isn't narcissistic. Nothing ridiculous about feeling left out here.
There has never been a precedent of trading 5 generic 5* gems for a 6* awakening crystal.
Only end game AG hoarders, or spenders (who spent 1k+ USD on their account) who first didn't really need to use 5* generic gems so they hoarded them, and second, the main factor, hoarded 2+ of each 5* AGs, have the opportunity to cash in on this 5 gems for 6* awakening crystal deal.
Having hoarded 5* AGs (particularly not using a generic 5* AG) for years isn't skill, because there was no such trade in value.
Who said anything about skill? Its about working and earning those AGs.. there were so many given this year alone.
I also made the point that well if you are a collector of silver stars and want them all dup thats the way you like playing the game. There NEVER WAS A GOLD SALE EITHER, but a lot of people didnt complain about it... A few did same as now. If we are only going to play a game based on precedents there wouldnt be anything new... It is narcisistic to think hey its unfair cause i cant get it.. so what would have been a fair price? I remind you that the base price of an 6* AG is finishing the abyss or a paywall of 15k+ units.. so what is a fair price? 4.. 3 generic AGs?... Maybe the exact ammount that you have to be able to get it? Wanna talk about skill? I dont think there is any skill in slapping an awakening gem on every piece of 5*.... Specially when the game is taking the direction of giving you 5* as iso banks. Just by finishing act 3 u get a 5* for free on this anniversary calendar... And end game players are complaining cause they spent every AG? 🤣
Your examples are terrible.
Skill was mentioned earlier regarding how this "cost" (5 generic 5* AG) isn't relievable, earnable (can't be grinded for, like gold or units). It comes down to who hoarded AGs- whether due to being a big spender (who rarely/never relied on AGs), or accounts who only using 1 or 2 AGs in one's 4+ year playing this game.
This makes it remarkably different than the gold tradein event.
No one is arguing here for or against, "always follow the precedent." Regarding new content. Any new concepts/ideas should be met with scrutiny, as players have been showing here. You ask, "what is a fair price?" Yet try to dismiss people's complaint that the price this time is too high this time, because AGs weren't marketed as a currency to be hoarded.
Funny how you mention the 6* AG "paywall" aspect from abyss, but you forget abyss is permanent content. Moreover, you fail to account that as time progresses, items devalue, so why shouldn't players not want their opinions dismissed, especially if it's a majority. How much an item devalues is debatable, but is worth discussing.
1) AGs are finite compared to gold/units. Players can't earn more AGs currently before tradein event ends. They can grind other currencies.
2) Players feelings of frustration are valid here, and people dismissing them as narcissistic and their opinions invalid haven't shown how it is such, but rather the contrary.
3) there are many players who hoarded AGs, yet used 1 or 2 generic AGs, and are still barred from this tradein 5* AGs for 1 6* AG crystal. Your weird statement of end game players complaining unfair because they uses most of their 5* AG doesn't apply to many here who have voiced their complaints.
4) AGs were never marketed as a tradein item/currency, so why should players be punished for not treating it as a currency?
5) there are some players saying, they should hoard everything, because what other future items they currently have can become a currency? That's a valid concern for non-big spenders.
U r so enraged u can't trade for a 6* AG u cant even read right...who said anything about gold trade in? I meant the Gold sale they had where u could get a bunch of stuff for 6 million gold...they didnt announce it.. a lot of people missed out.. YOUR POINTS 1- Never talked about gold trade... The point of the GOLD SALE was to compare it to the fact that both events were never announced prior or never happened before.
2- Frustration, anger is valid, sucks to be left out. Fairness on the other hand?..just because they can't get it its not fair? So what would a fair price be?.. the one that they can afford?...
3- I dont understand why "Endgame" players would be using AGs on absolutely everything...I'll give u a few examples from this post only... People used AGs on Sigil SW...its their own choice and i respect it.. Dont call an event unfair cause u used your resouces as u wished and now you can't afford the other. Its the way life works..
4- AG were never marketed as trade.. TRUE, there is a first time for everything!... Nexus 6* crystals were never sold for gold... Did people complain about this?.. yes only the ones that didnt get a warning to pre farm gold... Did they announce such thing?. No This was announced a few days ago, announcing it didnt help cause its not something that u could have farmed. So what would have been a fair timeframe to announce a first time event?..
5- Hoarding.. do you really think that when Kabam talks about the issue of hoarding, they are talking about an item that stacks in 5?... A rare item that u were able to get 1 per month maybe?...
The only aspect of this whole post that i would agree to would be the fact that u should be able to trade 3 of any class for 1 Generic... Everything else i believe is fair
The gold nexus crystal you can farm. Please stop using that as an example. It was a currency that could be obtained , and many did grind it. Even content creators put out ways to farm gold. The gold event was not a "tough luck" Situation .
Even if I had 1000 4* AGs I could still only trade them in for 5 chances at the 5* AG I needed.
There aren't many places to get generic gems in the game. For 6* gems it's even more of a rare occurrence.
You don't hear anyone having issues about having to work for them. I really don't see how that is hard for you to understand.
It was a great and FAIR event, a lot of people were able to trade and some weren't. And about a lot of people willing to work for it..there is a lot of people that in the last months didnt even wanna bother with EQ, SQ, objectives and so on.. does this mean that they would have the resources to trade if they did?.. hard to tell its based on RNG.. but there was a lot of generic AGs in the last couple of months.
If they didn't bother with EQ or SQ that is their decision, if Kabam told them " Get ready and you want to do this event because XYZ" they would do it.
They have communicated about summer of pain so we held out resources to rank the best champs.
They have communicated about the 2 month side event( which was the worst BTW) so we did the event so next month we could get better rewards.
They told us about the new 1v1 challenge so people are getting prepared for that.
Summer of pain happens every year... How can u compare an event that you have to fight and get rewards to a trade store .. How did u rank the best champs when they didn't announce the fights and nodes?... How do u prepare for 1v1?....All u did is see a format on the showdown...u still dont know how its gonna work...
I basically got sent to abyss.
The weeks leading up to SOP was worth 1 gold only and the fights were tough.
Let's say you decided to skip all 11 weeks, because it's a waste of time.
Now imagine the day the big event drops you find you aren't eligible for the rewards because you skipped the other weeks.
Everyone knew that they had to continue or else they would miss out on rewards.
How on earth is this comparable to SoP.. And u still failed to explain to me HOW you ranked up your best champions when EVERY FIGHT was announced on release date except for the last one that had all the fights combined?..
My point is no one knew it was coming or we would have done things differently.
I didn't say anyone was ranking , I said people were getting prepared. There are multiple people that are starting to think about the 1v1 . Also, Kabam said they would look similar to the showdown.
That's the point of a surprise though. It was a surprise. Not to mention announcing these things in advance would be pandemonium.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
SO because I don't agree, then I have nothing to contribute? Pretty one-sided discussion if that's the case.
No, I think you can contribute you just aren't "contributing". GW , I have been reading your post. , you aren't exactly providing any solutions. From what I gather you are basically saying :
" Everyone is not meant to get rewards" " I am happy with my use of gems" " Kabam is not forcing you to hoard or not hoard"
Let's work out some SMART goals for this?
Specifics : The goal is being able to understand how Kabam could leave such a valuable resource up to RNG to their top end players
Measurable: I would like to hear from a mod or Kabam what their intentions were within the 7 days of the event.
Achievable: I would like to accomplish this by opening a thread , to discuss options and provide solutions to be implemented.
The people claiming to be "end game players"... Why are u guys using all your AG?.. and even if u used them.. u can still trade some... I find it hard to believe End game players have used ALL OF THEIR AGs...
You could open 12 5* awakening-gem crystals and not manage to get the 6* gem. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of using them.
You find it hard to believe end game players use their gems, I find it hard to believe people can have opinions like this.
Why cause it doesnt benefit your cause?... I'll tell u my experience... I dont rank up junk champs, using an AG even less... I had about 57 4* AGs crystals from Solo crystal's And about 400 solo crystals in stock. I also had 4 generic AG 3 mutant and 2 of the other classes except Skill... So yeah this event was great for me.. now calling an even UNFAIR, cause it doesnt benefit u is a bit ridiculous... Because someone "preached" on using everything... Yeah it is ridiculous and a little bit narcissistic, also i think i read an AG was used on SWSigil...a paywall champ u can get to dup if u continue with a sigil.. so yeah u want to pop resources like candy good for u... An event like this happens u can't call it unfair cause it doesnt benefit one's needs... It might Suck for u but far from being unfair
And let me ask a question When the gold sale happened, was it "UNFAIR" for the people that didnt farm gold before it hit?
No, because you could do incursions, arena, EQ to get it. That's the problem with this event.
The total sale was over 6 mill gold, it was not an easy farm for people that didnt have it. I read people posting about selling 3 and 4* awakening gems.. thats on them
I don't get your stance on this?
It seems that you are upset because we feel that we should have got a chance.
This is not a Cav vs TB situation. This is not a Pay vs F2P situation This is not a AQ top 20 vs Bottom 3000 This is not a Masters AW vs Silver AW
This is a peer conversation for people who have close to 100% content if not almost finished.
It's one thing if we were upset about the pulls we got, it's another when we don't have an opportunity.
This isn't narcissistic. Nothing ridiculous about feeling left out here.
There has never been a precedent of trading 5 generic 5* gems for a 6* awakening crystal.
Only end game AG hoarders, or spenders (who spent 1k+ USD on their account) who first didn't really need to use 5* generic gems so they hoarded them, and second, the main factor, hoarded 2+ of each 5* AGs, have the opportunity to cash in on this 5 gems for 6* awakening crystal deal.
Having hoarded 5* AGs (particularly not using a generic 5* AG) for years isn't skill, because there was no such trade in value.
Who said anything about skill? Its about working and earning those AGs.. there were so many given this year alone.
I also made the point that well if you are a collector of silver stars and want them all dup thats the way you like playing the game. There NEVER WAS A GOLD SALE EITHER, but a lot of people didnt complain about it... A few did same as now. If we are only going to play a game based on precedents there wouldnt be anything new... It is narcisistic to think hey its unfair cause i cant get it.. so what would have been a fair price? I remind you that the base price of an 6* AG is finishing the abyss or a paywall of 15k+ units.. so what is a fair price? 4.. 3 generic AGs?... Maybe the exact ammount that you have to be able to get it? Wanna talk about skill? I dont think there is any skill in slapping an awakening gem on every piece of 5*.... Specially when the game is taking the direction of giving you 5* as iso banks. Just by finishing act 3 u get a 5* for free on this anniversary calendar... And end game players are complaining cause they spent every AG? 🤣
Your examples are terrible.
Skill was mentioned earlier regarding how this "cost" (5 generic 5* AG) isn't relievable, earnable (can't be grinded for, like gold or units). It comes down to who hoarded AGs- whether due to being a big spender (who rarely/never relied on AGs), or accounts who only using 1 or 2 AGs in one's 4+ year playing this game.
This makes it remarkably different than the gold tradein event.
No one is arguing here for or against, "always follow the precedent." Regarding new content. Any new concepts/ideas should be met with scrutiny, as players have been showing here. You ask, "what is a fair price?" Yet try to dismiss people's complaint that the price this time is too high this time, because AGs weren't marketed as a currency to be hoarded.
Funny how you mention the 6* AG "paywall" aspect from abyss, but you forget abyss is permanent content. Moreover, you fail to account that as time progresses, items devalue, so why shouldn't players not want their opinions dismissed, especially if it's a majority. How much an item devalues is debatable, but is worth discussing.
1) AGs are finite compared to gold/units. Players can't earn more AGs currently before tradein event ends. They can grind other currencies.
2) Players feelings of frustration are valid here, and people dismissing them as narcissistic and their opinions invalid haven't shown how it is such, but rather the contrary.
3) there are many players who hoarded AGs, yet used 1 or 2 generic AGs, and are still barred from this tradein 5* AGs for 1 6* AG crystal. Your weird statement of end game players complaining unfair because they uses most of their 5* AG doesn't apply to many here who have voiced their complaints.
4) AGs were never marketed as a tradein item/currency, so why should players be punished for not treating it as a currency?
5) there are some players saying, they should hoard everything, because what other future items they currently have can become a currency? That's a valid concern for non-big spenders.
U r so enraged u can't trade for a 6* AG u cant even read right...who said anything about gold trade in? I meant the Gold sale they had where u could get a bunch of stuff for 6 million gold...they didnt announce it.. a lot of people missed out.. YOUR POINTS 1- Never talked about gold trade... The point of the GOLD SALE was to compare it to the fact that both events were never announced prior or never happened before.
2- Frustration, anger is valid, sucks to be left out. Fairness on the other hand?..just because they can't get it its not fair? So what would a fair price be?.. the one that they can afford?...
3- I dont understand why "Endgame" players would be using AGs on absolutely everything...I'll give u a few examples from this post only... People used AGs on Sigil SW...its their own choice and i respect it.. Dont call an event unfair cause u used your resouces as u wished and now you can't afford the other. Its the way life works..
4- AG were never marketed as trade.. TRUE, there is a first time for everything!... Nexus 6* crystals were never sold for gold... Did people complain about this?.. yes only the ones that didnt get a warning to pre farm gold... Did they announce such thing?. No This was announced a few days ago, announcing it didnt help cause its not something that u could have farmed. So what would have been a fair timeframe to announce a first time event?..
5- Hoarding.. do you really think that when Kabam talks about the issue of hoarding, they are talking about an item that stacks in 5?... A rare item that u were able to get 1 per month maybe?...
The only aspect of this whole post that i would agree to would be the fact that u should be able to trade 3 of any class for 1 Generic... Everything else i believe is fair
The gold nexus crystal you can farm. Please stop using that as an example. It was a currency that could be obtained , and many did grind it. Even content creators put out ways to farm gold. The gold event was not a "tough luck" Situation .
Even if I had 1000 4* AGs I could still only trade them in for 5 chances at the 5* AG I needed.
There aren't many places to get generic gems in the game. For 6* gems it's even more of a rare occurrence.
You don't hear anyone having issues about having to work for them. I really don't see how that is hard for you to understand.
It was a great and FAIR event, a lot of people were able to trade and some weren't. And about a lot of people willing to work for it..there is a lot of people that in the last months didnt even wanna bother with EQ, SQ, objectives and so on.. does this mean that they would have the resources to trade if they did?.. hard to tell its based on RNG.. but there was a lot of generic AGs in the last couple of months.
If they didn't bother with EQ or SQ that is their decision, if Kabam told them " Get ready and you want to do this event because XYZ" they would do it.
They have communicated about summer of pain so we held out resources to rank the best champs.
They have communicated about the 2 month side event( which was the worst BTW) so we did the event so next month we could get better rewards.
They told us about the new 1v1 challenge so people are getting prepared for that.
Summer of pain happens every year... How can u compare an event that you have to fight and get rewards to a trade store .. How did u rank the best champs when they didn't announce the fights and nodes?... How do u prepare for 1v1?....All u did is see a format on the showdown...u still dont know how its gonna work...
I basically got sent to abyss.
The weeks leading up to SOP was worth 1 gold only and the fights were tough.
Let's say you decided to skip all 11 weeks, because it's a waste of time.
Now imagine the day the big event drops you find you aren't eligible for the rewards because you skipped the other weeks.
Everyone knew that they had to continue or else they would miss out on rewards.
How on earth is this comparable to SoP.. And u still failed to explain to me HOW you ranked up your best champions when EVERY FIGHT was announced on release date except for the last one that had all the fights combined?..
My point is no one knew it was coming or we would have done things differently.
I didn't say anyone was ranking , I said people were getting prepared. There are multiple people that are starting to think about the 1v1 . Also, Kabam said they would look similar to the showdown.
That's the point of a surprise though. It was a surprise. Not to mention announcing these things in advance would be pandemonium.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
SO because I don't agree, then I have nothing to contribute? Pretty one-sided discussion if that's the case.
No, I think you can contribute you just aren't "contributing". GW , I have been reading your post. , you aren't exactly providing any solutions. From what I gather you are basically saying :
" Everyone is not meant to get rewards" " I am happy with my use of gems" " Kabam is not forcing you to hoard or not hoard"
Let's work out some SMART goals for this?
Specifics : The goal is being able to understand how Kabam could leave such a valuable resource up to RNG to their top end players
Measurable: I would like to hear from a mod or Kabam what their intentions were within the 7 days of the event.
Achievable: I would like to accomplish this by opening a thread , to discuss options and provide solutions to be implemented.
Relevance: TOP RESOURCE IN GAME!
Timebound : 7 days!
That's my goal!
What's yours?
If it’s a “top resource in the game” then why would you expect it to be more available then it is.. when there are hundreds of millions of people, the top 1% is still millions of people.. maybe this is something intended for the 1% of the 1%.
I hope Kabam responds at some point so people can get back to crying about the state of the game and how bad it is right now
The people claiming to be "end game players"... Why are u guys using all your AG?.. and even if u used them.. u can still trade some... I find it hard to believe End game players have used ALL OF THEIR AGs...
You could open 12 5* awakening-gem crystals and not manage to get the 6* gem. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of using them.
You find it hard to believe end game players use their gems, I find it hard to believe people can have opinions like this.
Why cause it doesnt benefit your cause?... I'll tell u my experience... I dont rank up junk champs, using an AG even less... I had about 57 4* AGs crystals from Solo crystal's And about 400 solo crystals in stock. I also had 4 generic AG 3 mutant and 2 of the other classes except Skill... So yeah this event was great for me.. now calling an even UNFAIR, cause it doesnt benefit u is a bit ridiculous... Because someone "preached" on using everything... Yeah it is ridiculous and a little bit narcissistic, also i think i read an AG was used on SWSigil...a paywall champ u can get to dup if u continue with a sigil.. so yeah u want to pop resources like candy good for u... An event like this happens u can't call it unfair cause it doesnt benefit one's needs... It might Suck for u but far from being unfair
And let me ask a question When the gold sale happened, was it "UNFAIR" for the people that didnt farm gold before it hit?
No, because you could do incursions, arena, EQ to get it. That's the problem with this event.
The total sale was over 6 mill gold, it was not an easy farm for people that didnt have it. I read people posting about selling 3 and 4* awakening gems.. thats on them
I don't get your stance on this?
It seems that you are upset because we feel that we should have got a chance.
This is not a Cav vs TB situation. This is not a Pay vs F2P situation This is not a AQ top 20 vs Bottom 3000 This is not a Masters AW vs Silver AW
This is a peer conversation for people who have close to 100% content if not almost finished.
It's one thing if we were upset about the pulls we got, it's another when we don't have an opportunity.
This isn't narcissistic. Nothing ridiculous about feeling left out here.
There has never been a precedent of trading 5 generic 5* gems for a 6* awakening crystal.
Only end game AG hoarders, or spenders (who spent 1k+ USD on their account) who first didn't really need to use 5* generic gems so they hoarded them, and second, the main factor, hoarded 2+ of each 5* AGs, have the opportunity to cash in on this 5 gems for 6* awakening crystal deal.
Having hoarded 5* AGs (particularly not using a generic 5* AG) for years isn't skill, because there was no such trade in value.
Who said anything about skill? Its about working and earning those AGs.. there were so many given this year alone.
I also made the point that well if you are a collector of silver stars and want them all dup thats the way you like playing the game. There NEVER WAS A GOLD SALE EITHER, but a lot of people didnt complain about it... A few did same as now. If we are only going to play a game based on precedents there wouldnt be anything new... It is narcisistic to think hey its unfair cause i cant get it.. so what would have been a fair price? I remind you that the base price of an 6* AG is finishing the abyss or a paywall of 15k+ units.. so what is a fair price? 4.. 3 generic AGs?... Maybe the exact ammount that you have to be able to get it? Wanna talk about skill? I dont think there is any skill in slapping an awakening gem on every piece of 5*.... Specially when the game is taking the direction of giving you 5* as iso banks. Just by finishing act 3 u get a 5* for free on this anniversary calendar... And end game players are complaining cause they spent every AG? 🤣
Your examples are terrible.
Skill was mentioned earlier regarding how this "cost" (5 generic 5* AG) isn't relievable, earnable (can't be grinded for, like gold or units). It comes down to who hoarded AGs- whether due to being a big spender (who rarely/never relied on AGs), or accounts who only using 1 or 2 AGs in one's 4+ year playing this game.
This makes it remarkably different than the gold tradein event.
No one is arguing here for or against, "always follow the precedent." Regarding new content. Any new concepts/ideas should be met with scrutiny, as players have been showing here. You ask, "what is a fair price?" Yet try to dismiss people's complaint that the price this time is too high this time, because AGs weren't marketed as a currency to be hoarded.
Funny how you mention the 6* AG "paywall" aspect from abyss, but you forget abyss is permanent content. Moreover, you fail to account that as time progresses, items devalue, so why shouldn't players not want their opinions dismissed, especially if it's a majority. How much an item devalues is debatable, but is worth discussing.
1) AGs are finite compared to gold/units. Players can't earn more AGs currently before tradein event ends. They can grind other currencies.
2) Players feelings of frustration are valid here, and people dismissing them as narcissistic and their opinions invalid haven't shown how it is such, but rather the contrary.
3) there are many players who hoarded AGs, yet used 1 or 2 generic AGs, and are still barred from this tradein 5* AGs for 1 6* AG crystal. Your weird statement of end game players complaining unfair because they uses most of their 5* AG doesn't apply to many here who have voiced their complaints.
4) AGs were never marketed as a tradein item/currency, so why should players be punished for not treating it as a currency?
5) there are some players saying, they should hoard everything, because what other future items they currently have can become a currency? That's a valid concern for non-big spenders.
U r so enraged u can't trade for a 6* AG u cant even read right...who said anything about gold trade in? I meant the Gold sale they had where u could get a bunch of stuff for 6 million gold...they didnt announce it.. a lot of people missed out.. YOUR POINTS 1- Never talked about gold trade... The point of the GOLD SALE was to compare it to the fact that both events were never announced prior or never happened before.
2- Frustration, anger is valid, sucks to be left out. Fairness on the other hand?..just because they can't get it its not fair? So what would a fair price be?.. the one that they can afford?...
3- I dont understand why "Endgame" players would be using AGs on absolutely everything...I'll give u a few examples from this post only... People used AGs on Sigil SW...its their own choice and i respect it.. Dont call an event unfair cause u used your resouces as u wished and now you can't afford the other. Its the way life works..
4- AG were never marketed as trade.. TRUE, there is a first time for everything!... Nexus 6* crystals were never sold for gold... Did people complain about this?.. yes only the ones that didnt get a warning to pre farm gold... Did they announce such thing?. No This was announced a few days ago, announcing it didnt help cause its not something that u could have farmed. So what would have been a fair timeframe to announce a first time event?..
5- Hoarding.. do you really think that when Kabam talks about the issue of hoarding, they are talking about an item that stacks in 5?... A rare item that u were able to get 1 per month maybe?...
The only aspect of this whole post that i would agree to would be the fact that u should be able to trade 3 of any class for 1 Generic... Everything else i believe is fair
The gold nexus crystal you can farm. Please stop using that as an example. It was a currency that could be obtained , and many did grind it. Even content creators put out ways to farm gold. The gold event was not a "tough luck" Situation .
Even if I had 1000 4* AGs I could still only trade them in for 5 chances at the 5* AG I needed.
There aren't many places to get generic gems in the game. For 6* gems it's even more of a rare occurrence.
You don't hear anyone having issues about having to work for them. I really don't see how that is hard for you to understand.
It was a great and FAIR event, a lot of people were able to trade and some weren't. And about a lot of people willing to work for it..there is a lot of people that in the last months didnt even wanna bother with EQ, SQ, objectives and so on.. does this mean that they would have the resources to trade if they did?.. hard to tell its based on RNG.. but there was a lot of generic AGs in the last couple of months.
If they didn't bother with EQ or SQ that is their decision, if Kabam told them " Get ready and you want to do this event because XYZ" they would do it.
They have communicated about summer of pain so we held out resources to rank the best champs.
They have communicated about the 2 month side event( which was the worst BTW) so we did the event so next month we could get better rewards.
They told us about the new 1v1 challenge so people are getting prepared for that.
Summer of pain happens every year... How can u compare an event that you have to fight and get rewards to a trade store .. How did u rank the best champs when they didn't announce the fights and nodes?... How do u prepare for 1v1?....All u did is see a format on the showdown...u still dont know how its gonna work...
I basically got sent to abyss.
The weeks leading up to SOP was worth 1 gold only and the fights were tough.
Let's say you decided to skip all 11 weeks, because it's a waste of time.
Now imagine the day the big event drops you find you aren't eligible for the rewards because you skipped the other weeks.
Everyone knew that they had to continue or else they would miss out on rewards.
How on earth is this comparable to SoP.. And u still failed to explain to me HOW you ranked up your best champions when EVERY FIGHT was announced on release date except for the last one that had all the fights combined?..
My point is no one knew it was coming or we would have done things differently.
I didn't say anyone was ranking , I said people were getting prepared. There are multiple people that are starting to think about the 1v1 . Also, Kabam said they would look similar to the showdown.
That's the point of a surprise though. It was a surprise. Not to mention announcing these things in advance would be pandemonium.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
SO because I don't agree, then I have nothing to contribute? Pretty one-sided discussion if that's the case.
No, I think you can contribute you just aren't "contributing". GW , I have been reading your post. , you aren't exactly providing any solutions. From what I gather you are basically saying :
" Everyone is not meant to get rewards" " I am happy with my use of gems" " Kabam is not forcing you to hoard or not hoard"
Let's work out some SMART goals for this?
Specifics : The goal is being able to understand how Kabam could leave such a valuable resource up to RNG to their top end players
Measurable: I would like to hear from a mod or Kabam what their intentions were within the 7 days of the event.
Achievable: I would like to accomplish this by opening a thread , to discuss options and provide solutions to be implemented.
Relevance: TOP RESOURCE IN GAME!
Timebound : 7 days!
That's my goal!
What's yours?
It's not hard to figure out how. The Trade-In provides a way to trade Resources towards what you want. In the case of the 6* Gem, that's a rare Resource, so the cost is very specific. Some people MAY be able to trade up to it, but not as a given. The Store is designed to limit access to a very specific goal. Those that have what is required. Hence my earlier comments about not being a given for everyone. My goal is to insert some common sense.
The people claiming to be "end game players"... Why are u guys using all your AG?.. and even if u used them.. u can still trade some... I find it hard to believe End game players have used ALL OF THEIR AGs...
You could open 12 5* awakening-gem crystals and not manage to get the 6* gem. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of using them.
You find it hard to believe end game players use their gems, I find it hard to believe people can have opinions like this.
Why cause it doesnt benefit your cause?... I'll tell u my experience... I dont rank up junk champs, using an AG even less... I had about 57 4* AGs crystals from Solo crystal's And about 400 solo crystals in stock. I also had 4 generic AG 3 mutant and 2 of the other classes except Skill... So yeah this event was great for me.. now calling an even UNFAIR, cause it doesnt benefit u is a bit ridiculous... Because someone "preached" on using everything... Yeah it is ridiculous and a little bit narcissistic, also i think i read an AG was used on SWSigil...a paywall champ u can get to dup if u continue with a sigil.. so yeah u want to pop resources like candy good for u... An event like this happens u can't call it unfair cause it doesnt benefit one's needs... It might Suck for u but far from being unfair
And let me ask a question When the gold sale happened, was it "UNFAIR" for the people that didnt farm gold before it hit?
No, because you could do incursions, arena, EQ to get it. That's the problem with this event.
The total sale was over 6 mill gold, it was not an easy farm for people that didnt have it. I read people posting about selling 3 and 4* awakening gems.. thats on them
I don't get your stance on this?
It seems that you are upset because we feel that we should have got a chance.
This is not a Cav vs TB situation. This is not a Pay vs F2P situation This is not a AQ top 20 vs Bottom 3000 This is not a Masters AW vs Silver AW
This is a peer conversation for people who have close to 100% content if not almost finished.
It's one thing if we were upset about the pulls we got, it's another when we don't have an opportunity.
This isn't narcissistic. Nothing ridiculous about feeling left out here.
There has never been a precedent of trading 5 generic 5* gems for a 6* awakening crystal.
Only end game AG hoarders, or spenders (who spent 1k+ USD on their account) who first didn't really need to use 5* generic gems so they hoarded them, and second, the main factor, hoarded 2+ of each 5* AGs, have the opportunity to cash in on this 5 gems for 6* awakening crystal deal.
Having hoarded 5* AGs (particularly not using a generic 5* AG) for years isn't skill, because there was no such trade in value.
Who said anything about skill? Its about working and earning those AGs.. there were so many given this year alone.
I also made the point that well if you are a collector of silver stars and want them all dup thats the way you like playing the game. There NEVER WAS A GOLD SALE EITHER, but a lot of people didnt complain about it... A few did same as now. If we are only going to play a game based on precedents there wouldnt be anything new... It is narcisistic to think hey its unfair cause i cant get it.. so what would have been a fair price? I remind you that the base price of an 6* AG is finishing the abyss or a paywall of 15k+ units.. so what is a fair price? 4.. 3 generic AGs?... Maybe the exact ammount that you have to be able to get it? Wanna talk about skill? I dont think there is any skill in slapping an awakening gem on every piece of 5*.... Specially when the game is taking the direction of giving you 5* as iso banks. Just by finishing act 3 u get a 5* for free on this anniversary calendar... And end game players are complaining cause they spent every AG? 🤣
Your examples are terrible.
Skill was mentioned earlier regarding how this "cost" (5 generic 5* AG) isn't relievable, earnable (can't be grinded for, like gold or units). It comes down to who hoarded AGs- whether due to being a big spender (who rarely/never relied on AGs), or accounts who only using 1 or 2 AGs in one's 4+ year playing this game.
This makes it remarkably different than the gold tradein event.
No one is arguing here for or against, "always follow the precedent." Regarding new content. Any new concepts/ideas should be met with scrutiny, as players have been showing here. You ask, "what is a fair price?" Yet try to dismiss people's complaint that the price this time is too high this time, because AGs weren't marketed as a currency to be hoarded.
Funny how you mention the 6* AG "paywall" aspect from abyss, but you forget abyss is permanent content. Moreover, you fail to account that as time progresses, items devalue, so why shouldn't players not want their opinions dismissed, especially if it's a majority. How much an item devalues is debatable, but is worth discussing.
1) AGs are finite compared to gold/units. Players can't earn more AGs currently before tradein event ends. They can grind other currencies.
2) Players feelings of frustration are valid here, and people dismissing them as narcissistic and their opinions invalid haven't shown how it is such, but rather the contrary.
3) there are many players who hoarded AGs, yet used 1 or 2 generic AGs, and are still barred from this tradein 5* AGs for 1 6* AG crystal. Your weird statement of end game players complaining unfair because they uses most of their 5* AG doesn't apply to many here who have voiced their complaints.
4) AGs were never marketed as a tradein item/currency, so why should players be punished for not treating it as a currency?
5) there are some players saying, they should hoard everything, because what other future items they currently have can become a currency? That's a valid concern for non-big spenders.
U r so enraged u can't trade for a 6* AG u cant even read right...who said anything about gold trade in? I meant the Gold sale they had where u could get a bunch of stuff for 6 million gold...they didnt announce it.. a lot of people missed out.. YOUR POINTS 1- Never talked about gold trade... The point of the GOLD SALE was to compare it to the fact that both events were never announced prior or never happened before.
2- Frustration, anger is valid, sucks to be left out. Fairness on the other hand?..just because they can't get it its not fair? So what would a fair price be?.. the one that they can afford?...
3- I dont understand why "Endgame" players would be using AGs on absolutely everything...I'll give u a few examples from this post only... People used AGs on Sigil SW...its their own choice and i respect it.. Dont call an event unfair cause u used your resouces as u wished and now you can't afford the other. Its the way life works..
4- AG were never marketed as trade.. TRUE, there is a first time for everything!... Nexus 6* crystals were never sold for gold... Did people complain about this?.. yes only the ones that didnt get a warning to pre farm gold... Did they announce such thing?. No This was announced a few days ago, announcing it didnt help cause its not something that u could have farmed. So what would have been a fair timeframe to announce a first time event?..
5- Hoarding.. do you really think that when Kabam talks about the issue of hoarding, they are talking about an item that stacks in 5?... A rare item that u were able to get 1 per month maybe?...
The only aspect of this whole post that i would agree to would be the fact that u should be able to trade 3 of any class for 1 Generic... Everything else i believe is fair
The gold nexus crystal you can farm. Please stop using that as an example. It was a currency that could be obtained , and many did grind it. Even content creators put out ways to farm gold. The gold event was not a "tough luck" Situation .
Even if I had 1000 4* AGs I could still only trade them in for 5 chances at the 5* AG I needed.
There aren't many places to get generic gems in the game. For 6* gems it's even more of a rare occurrence.
You don't hear anyone having issues about having to work for them. I really don't see how that is hard for you to understand.
It was a great and FAIR event, a lot of people were able to trade and some weren't. And about a lot of people willing to work for it..there is a lot of people that in the last months didnt even wanna bother with EQ, SQ, objectives and so on.. does this mean that they would have the resources to trade if they did?.. hard to tell its based on RNG.. but there was a lot of generic AGs in the last couple of months.
If they didn't bother with EQ or SQ that is their decision, if Kabam told them " Get ready and you want to do this event because XYZ" they would do it.
They have communicated about summer of pain so we held out resources to rank the best champs.
They have communicated about the 2 month side event( which was the worst BTW) so we did the event so next month we could get better rewards.
They told us about the new 1v1 challenge so people are getting prepared for that.
Summer of pain happens every year... How can u compare an event that you have to fight and get rewards to a trade store .. How did u rank the best champs when they didn't announce the fights and nodes?... How do u prepare for 1v1?....All u did is see a format on the showdown...u still dont know how its gonna work...
I basically got sent to abyss.
The weeks leading up to SOP was worth 1 gold only and the fights were tough.
Let's say you decided to skip all 11 weeks, because it's a waste of time.
Now imagine the day the big event drops you find you aren't eligible for the rewards because you skipped the other weeks.
Everyone knew that they had to continue or else they would miss out on rewards.
How on earth is this comparable to SoP.. And u still failed to explain to me HOW you ranked up your best champions when EVERY FIGHT was announced on release date except for the last one that had all the fights combined?..
My point is no one knew it was coming or we would have done things differently.
I didn't say anyone was ranking , I said people were getting prepared. There are multiple people that are starting to think about the 1v1 . Also, Kabam said they would look similar to the showdown.
That's the point of a surprise though. It was a surprise. Not to mention announcing these things in advance would be pandemonium.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
SO because I don't agree, then I have nothing to contribute? Pretty one-sided discussion if that's the case.
No, I think you can contribute you just aren't "contributing". GW , I have been reading your post. , you aren't exactly providing any solutions. From what I gather you are basically saying :
" Everyone is not meant to get rewards" " I am happy with my use of gems" " Kabam is not forcing you to hoard or not hoard"
Let's work out some SMART goals for this?
Specifics : The goal is being able to understand how Kabam could leave such a valuable resource up to RNG to their top end players
Measurable: I would like to hear from a mod or Kabam what their intentions were within the 7 days of the event.
Achievable: I would like to accomplish this by opening a thread , to discuss options and provide solutions to be implemented.
Relevance: TOP RESOURCE IN GAME!
Timebound : 7 days!
That's my goal!
What's yours?
It's not hard to figure out how. The Trade-In provides a way to trade Resources towards what you want. In the case of the 6* Gem, that's a rare Resource, so the cost is very specific. Some people MAY be able to trade up to it, but not as a given. The Store is designed to limit access to a very specific goal. Those that have what is required. Hence my earlier comments about not being a given for everyone. My goal is to insert some common sense.
Are you implying that no one else is displaying common sense? Or are you stating you need to interject YOUR common sense? It’s all perspective
I wouldn't expect one on this. People are actually pretty angry. They're going to wait to respond and use the weekend as an excuse to milk a few more days on the path to ultimately do nothing. The too late, measured response will claim to see this as a learning moment but they will still very likely needlessly annoy their customers several more times in '22 while more customers flee for other games and then make the same missteps this time next year.
Lol yeah im nearing the point of taking a break but hey who knows Maybe jan can changed that, since im not doing anything for the gifting event
The people claiming to be "end game players"... Why are u guys using all your AG?.. and even if u used them.. u can still trade some... I find it hard to believe End game players have used ALL OF THEIR AGs...
You could open 12 5* awakening-gem crystals and not manage to get the 6* gem. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of using them.
You find it hard to believe end game players use their gems, I find it hard to believe people can have opinions like this.
Why cause it doesnt benefit your cause?... I'll tell u my experience... I dont rank up junk champs, using an AG even less... I had about 57 4* AGs crystals from Solo crystal's And about 400 solo crystals in stock. I also had 4 generic AG 3 mutant and 2 of the other classes except Skill... So yeah this event was great for me.. now calling an even UNFAIR, cause it doesnt benefit u is a bit ridiculous... Because someone "preached" on using everything... Yeah it is ridiculous and a little bit narcissistic, also i think i read an AG was used on SWSigil...a paywall champ u can get to dup if u continue with a sigil.. so yeah u want to pop resources like candy good for u... An event like this happens u can't call it unfair cause it doesnt benefit one's needs... It might Suck for u but far from being unfair
And let me ask a question When the gold sale happened, was it "UNFAIR" for the people that didnt farm gold before it hit?
No, because you could do incursions, arena, EQ to get it. That's the problem with this event.
The total sale was over 6 mill gold, it was not an easy farm for people that didnt have it. I read people posting about selling 3 and 4* awakening gems.. thats on them
I don't get your stance on this?
It seems that you are upset because we feel that we should have got a chance.
This is not a Cav vs TB situation. This is not a Pay vs F2P situation This is not a AQ top 20 vs Bottom 3000 This is not a Masters AW vs Silver AW
This is a peer conversation for people who have close to 100% content if not almost finished.
It's one thing if we were upset about the pulls we got, it's another when we don't have an opportunity.
This isn't narcissistic. Nothing ridiculous about feeling left out here.
There has never been a precedent of trading 5 generic 5* gems for a 6* awakening crystal.
Only end game AG hoarders, or spenders (who spent 1k+ USD on their account) who first didn't really need to use 5* generic gems so they hoarded them, and second, the main factor, hoarded 2+ of each 5* AGs, have the opportunity to cash in on this 5 gems for 6* awakening crystal deal.
Having hoarded 5* AGs (particularly not using a generic 5* AG) for years isn't skill, because there was no such trade in value.
Who said anything about skill? Its about working and earning those AGs.. there were so many given this year alone.
I also made the point that well if you are a collector of silver stars and want them all dup thats the way you like playing the game. There NEVER WAS A GOLD SALE EITHER, but a lot of people didnt complain about it... A few did same as now. If we are only going to play a game based on precedents there wouldnt be anything new... It is narcisistic to think hey its unfair cause i cant get it.. so what would have been a fair price? I remind you that the base price of an 6* AG is finishing the abyss or a paywall of 15k+ units.. so what is a fair price? 4.. 3 generic AGs?... Maybe the exact ammount that you have to be able to get it? Wanna talk about skill? I dont think there is any skill in slapping an awakening gem on every piece of 5*.... Specially when the game is taking the direction of giving you 5* as iso banks. Just by finishing act 3 u get a 5* for free on this anniversary calendar... And end game players are complaining cause they spent every AG? 🤣
Your examples are terrible.
Skill was mentioned earlier regarding how this "cost" (5 generic 5* AG) isn't relievable, earnable (can't be grinded for, like gold or units). It comes down to who hoarded AGs- whether due to being a big spender (who rarely/never relied on AGs), or accounts who only using 1 or 2 AGs in one's 4+ year playing this game.
This makes it remarkably different than the gold tradein event.
No one is arguing here for or against, "always follow the precedent." Regarding new content. Any new concepts/ideas should be met with scrutiny, as players have been showing here. You ask, "what is a fair price?" Yet try to dismiss people's complaint that the price this time is too high this time, because AGs weren't marketed as a currency to be hoarded.
Funny how you mention the 6* AG "paywall" aspect from abyss, but you forget abyss is permanent content. Moreover, you fail to account that as time progresses, items devalue, so why shouldn't players not want their opinions dismissed, especially if it's a majority. How much an item devalues is debatable, but is worth discussing.
1) AGs are finite compared to gold/units. Players can't earn more AGs currently before tradein event ends. They can grind other currencies.
2) Players feelings of frustration are valid here, and people dismissing them as narcissistic and their opinions invalid haven't shown how it is such, but rather the contrary.
3) there are many players who hoarded AGs, yet used 1 or 2 generic AGs, and are still barred from this tradein 5* AGs for 1 6* AG crystal. Your weird statement of end game players complaining unfair because they uses most of their 5* AG doesn't apply to many here who have voiced their complaints.
4) AGs were never marketed as a tradein item/currency, so why should players be punished for not treating it as a currency?
5) there are some players saying, they should hoard everything, because what other future items they currently have can become a currency? That's a valid concern for non-big spenders.
U r so enraged u can't trade for a 6* AG u cant even read right...who said anything about gold trade in? I meant the Gold sale they had where u could get a bunch of stuff for 6 million gold...they didnt announce it.. a lot of people missed out.. YOUR POINTS 1- Never talked about gold trade... The point of the GOLD SALE was to compare it to the fact that both events were never announced prior or never happened before.
2- Frustration, anger is valid, sucks to be left out. Fairness on the other hand?..just because they can't get it its not fair? So what would a fair price be?.. the one that they can afford?...
3- I dont understand why "Endgame" players would be using AGs on absolutely everything...I'll give u a few examples from this post only... People used AGs on Sigil SW...its their own choice and i respect it.. Dont call an event unfair cause u used your resouces as u wished and now you can't afford the other. Its the way life works..
4- AG were never marketed as trade.. TRUE, there is a first time for everything!... Nexus 6* crystals were never sold for gold... Did people complain about this?.. yes only the ones that didnt get a warning to pre farm gold... Did they announce such thing?. No This was announced a few days ago, announcing it didnt help cause its not something that u could have farmed. So what would have been a fair timeframe to announce a first time event?..
5- Hoarding.. do you really think that when Kabam talks about the issue of hoarding, they are talking about an item that stacks in 5?... A rare item that u were able to get 1 per month maybe?...
The only aspect of this whole post that i would agree to would be the fact that u should be able to trade 3 of any class for 1 Generic... Everything else i believe is fair
The gold nexus crystal you can farm. Please stop using that as an example. It was a currency that could be obtained , and many did grind it. Even content creators put out ways to farm gold. The gold event was not a "tough luck" Situation .
Even if I had 1000 4* AGs I could still only trade them in for 5 chances at the 5* AG I needed.
There aren't many places to get generic gems in the game. For 6* gems it's even more of a rare occurrence.
You don't hear anyone having issues about having to work for them. I really don't see how that is hard for you to understand.
It was a great and FAIR event, a lot of people were able to trade and some weren't. And about a lot of people willing to work for it..there is a lot of people that in the last months didnt even wanna bother with EQ, SQ, objectives and so on.. does this mean that they would have the resources to trade if they did?.. hard to tell its based on RNG.. but there was a lot of generic AGs in the last couple of months.
If they didn't bother with EQ or SQ that is their decision, if Kabam told them " Get ready and you want to do this event because XYZ" they would do it.
They have communicated about summer of pain so we held out resources to rank the best champs.
They have communicated about the 2 month side event( which was the worst BTW) so we did the event so next month we could get better rewards.
They told us about the new 1v1 challenge so people are getting prepared for that.
Summer of pain happens every year... How can u compare an event that you have to fight and get rewards to a trade store .. How did u rank the best champs when they didn't announce the fights and nodes?... How do u prepare for 1v1?....All u did is see a format on the showdown...u still dont know how its gonna work...
I basically got sent to abyss.
The weeks leading up to SOP was worth 1 gold only and the fights were tough.
Let's say you decided to skip all 11 weeks, because it's a waste of time.
Now imagine the day the big event drops you find you aren't eligible for the rewards because you skipped the other weeks.
Everyone knew that they had to continue or else they would miss out on rewards.
How on earth is this comparable to SoP.. And u still failed to explain to me HOW you ranked up your best champions when EVERY FIGHT was announced on release date except for the last one that had all the fights combined?..
My point is no one knew it was coming or we would have done things differently.
I didn't say anyone was ranking , I said people were getting prepared. There are multiple people that are starting to think about the 1v1 . Also, Kabam said they would look similar to the showdown.
That's the point of a surprise though. It was a surprise. Not to mention announcing these things in advance would be pandemonium.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
SO because I don't agree, then I have nothing to contribute? Pretty one-sided discussion if that's the case.
No, I think you can contribute you just aren't "contributing". GW , I have been reading your post. , you aren't exactly providing any solutions. From what I gather you are basically saying :
" Everyone is not meant to get rewards" " I am happy with my use of gems" " Kabam is not forcing you to hoard or not hoard"
Let's work out some SMART goals for this?
Specifics : The goal is being able to understand how Kabam could leave such a valuable resource up to RNG to their top end players
Measurable: I would like to hear from a mod or Kabam what their intentions were within the 7 days of the event.
Achievable: I would like to accomplish this by opening a thread , to discuss options and provide solutions to be implemented.
Relevance: TOP RESOURCE IN GAME!
Timebound : 7 days!
That's my goal!
What's yours?
It's not hard to figure out how. The Trade-In provides a way to trade Resources towards what you want. In the case of the 6* Gem, that's a rare Resource, so the cost is very specific. Some people MAY be able to trade up to it, but not as a given. The Store is designed to limit access to a very specific goal. Those that have what is required. Hence my earlier comments about not being a given for everyone. My goal is to insert some common sense.
Are you implying that no one else is displaying common sense? Or are you stating you need to interject YOUR common sense? It’s all perspective
Common sense is shared knowledge. That's what makes it common. Otherwise it's just me sense.
The people claiming to be "end game players"... Why are u guys using all your AG?.. and even if u used them.. u can still trade some... I find it hard to believe End game players have used ALL OF THEIR AGs...
You could open 12 5* awakening-gem crystals and not manage to get the 6* gem. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of using them.
You find it hard to believe end game players use their gems, I find it hard to believe people can have opinions like this.
Why cause it doesnt benefit your cause?... I'll tell u my experience... I dont rank up junk champs, using an AG even less... I had about 57 4* AGs crystals from Solo crystal's And about 400 solo crystals in stock. I also had 4 generic AG 3 mutant and 2 of the other classes except Skill... So yeah this event was great for me.. now calling an even UNFAIR, cause it doesnt benefit u is a bit ridiculous... Because someone "preached" on using everything... Yeah it is ridiculous and a little bit narcissistic, also i think i read an AG was used on SWSigil...a paywall champ u can get to dup if u continue with a sigil.. so yeah u want to pop resources like candy good for u... An event like this happens u can't call it unfair cause it doesnt benefit one's needs... It might Suck for u but far from being unfair
And let me ask a question When the gold sale happened, was it "UNFAIR" for the people that didnt farm gold before it hit?
No, because you could do incursions, arena, EQ to get it. That's the problem with this event.
The total sale was over 6 mill gold, it was not an easy farm for people that didnt have it. I read people posting about selling 3 and 4* awakening gems.. thats on them
I don't get your stance on this?
It seems that you are upset because we feel that we should have got a chance.
This is not a Cav vs TB situation. This is not a Pay vs F2P situation This is not a AQ top 20 vs Bottom 3000 This is not a Masters AW vs Silver AW
This is a peer conversation for people who have close to 100% content if not almost finished.
It's one thing if we were upset about the pulls we got, it's another when we don't have an opportunity.
This isn't narcissistic. Nothing ridiculous about feeling left out here.
There has never been a precedent of trading 5 generic 5* gems for a 6* awakening crystal.
Only end game AG hoarders, or spenders (who spent 1k+ USD on their account) who first didn't really need to use 5* generic gems so they hoarded them, and second, the main factor, hoarded 2+ of each 5* AGs, have the opportunity to cash in on this 5 gems for 6* awakening crystal deal.
Having hoarded 5* AGs (particularly not using a generic 5* AG) for years isn't skill, because there was no such trade in value.
Who said anything about skill? Its about working and earning those AGs.. there were so many given this year alone.
I also made the point that well if you are a collector of silver stars and want them all dup thats the way you like playing the game. There NEVER WAS A GOLD SALE EITHER, but a lot of people didnt complain about it... A few did same as now. If we are only going to play a game based on precedents there wouldnt be anything new... It is narcisistic to think hey its unfair cause i cant get it.. so what would have been a fair price? I remind you that the base price of an 6* AG is finishing the abyss or a paywall of 15k+ units.. so what is a fair price? 4.. 3 generic AGs?... Maybe the exact ammount that you have to be able to get it? Wanna talk about skill? I dont think there is any skill in slapping an awakening gem on every piece of 5*.... Specially when the game is taking the direction of giving you 5* as iso banks. Just by finishing act 3 u get a 5* for free on this anniversary calendar... And end game players are complaining cause they spent every AG? 🤣
Your examples are terrible.
Skill was mentioned earlier regarding how this "cost" (5 generic 5* AG) isn't relievable, earnable (can't be grinded for, like gold or units). It comes down to who hoarded AGs- whether due to being a big spender (who rarely/never relied on AGs), or accounts who only using 1 or 2 AGs in one's 4+ year playing this game.
This makes it remarkably different than the gold tradein event.
No one is arguing here for or against, "always follow the precedent." Regarding new content. Any new concepts/ideas should be met with scrutiny, as players have been showing here. You ask, "what is a fair price?" Yet try to dismiss people's complaint that the price this time is too high this time, because AGs weren't marketed as a currency to be hoarded.
Funny how you mention the 6* AG "paywall" aspect from abyss, but you forget abyss is permanent content. Moreover, you fail to account that as time progresses, items devalue, so why shouldn't players not want their opinions dismissed, especially if it's a majority. How much an item devalues is debatable, but is worth discussing.
1) AGs are finite compared to gold/units. Players can't earn more AGs currently before tradein event ends. They can grind other currencies.
2) Players feelings of frustration are valid here, and people dismissing them as narcissistic and their opinions invalid haven't shown how it is such, but rather the contrary.
3) there are many players who hoarded AGs, yet used 1 or 2 generic AGs, and are still barred from this tradein 5* AGs for 1 6* AG crystal. Your weird statement of end game players complaining unfair because they uses most of their 5* AG doesn't apply to many here who have voiced their complaints.
4) AGs were never marketed as a tradein item/currency, so why should players be punished for not treating it as a currency?
5) there are some players saying, they should hoard everything, because what other future items they currently have can become a currency? That's a valid concern for non-big spenders.
U r so enraged u can't trade for a 6* AG u cant even read right...who said anything about gold trade in? I meant the Gold sale they had where u could get a bunch of stuff for 6 million gold...they didnt announce it.. a lot of people missed out.. YOUR POINTS 1- Never talked about gold trade... The point of the GOLD SALE was to compare it to the fact that both events were never announced prior or never happened before.
2- Frustration, anger is valid, sucks to be left out. Fairness on the other hand?..just because they can't get it its not fair? So what would a fair price be?.. the one that they can afford?...
3- I dont understand why "Endgame" players would be using AGs on absolutely everything...I'll give u a few examples from this post only... People used AGs on Sigil SW...its their own choice and i respect it.. Dont call an event unfair cause u used your resouces as u wished and now you can't afford the other. Its the way life works..
4- AG were never marketed as trade.. TRUE, there is a first time for everything!... Nexus 6* crystals were never sold for gold... Did people complain about this?.. yes only the ones that didnt get a warning to pre farm gold... Did they announce such thing?. No This was announced a few days ago, announcing it didnt help cause its not something that u could have farmed. So what would have been a fair timeframe to announce a first time event?..
5- Hoarding.. do you really think that when Kabam talks about the issue of hoarding, they are talking about an item that stacks in 5?... A rare item that u were able to get 1 per month maybe?...
The only aspect of this whole post that i would agree to would be the fact that u should be able to trade 3 of any class for 1 Generic... Everything else i believe is fair
The gold nexus crystal you can farm. Please stop using that as an example. It was a currency that could be obtained , and many did grind it. Even content creators put out ways to farm gold. The gold event was not a "tough luck" Situation .
Even if I had 1000 4* AGs I could still only trade them in for 5 chances at the 5* AG I needed.
There aren't many places to get generic gems in the game. For 6* gems it's even more of a rare occurrence.
You don't hear anyone having issues about having to work for them. I really don't see how that is hard for you to understand.
It was a great and FAIR event, a lot of people were able to trade and some weren't. And about a lot of people willing to work for it..there is a lot of people that in the last months didnt even wanna bother with EQ, SQ, objectives and so on.. does this mean that they would have the resources to trade if they did?.. hard to tell its based on RNG.. but there was a lot of generic AGs in the last couple of months.
If they didn't bother with EQ or SQ that is their decision, if Kabam told them " Get ready and you want to do this event because XYZ" they would do it.
They have communicated about summer of pain so we held out resources to rank the best champs.
They have communicated about the 2 month side event( which was the worst BTW) so we did the event so next month we could get better rewards.
They told us about the new 1v1 challenge so people are getting prepared for that.
Summer of pain happens every year... How can u compare an event that you have to fight and get rewards to a trade store .. How did u rank the best champs when they didn't announce the fights and nodes?... How do u prepare for 1v1?....All u did is see a format on the showdown...u still dont know how its gonna work...
I basically got sent to abyss.
The weeks leading up to SOP was worth 1 gold only and the fights were tough.
Let's say you decided to skip all 11 weeks, because it's a waste of time.
Now imagine the day the big event drops you find you aren't eligible for the rewards because you skipped the other weeks.
Everyone knew that they had to continue or else they would miss out on rewards.
How on earth is this comparable to SoP.. And u still failed to explain to me HOW you ranked up your best champions when EVERY FIGHT was announced on release date except for the last one that had all the fights combined?..
My point is no one knew it was coming or we would have done things differently.
I didn't say anyone was ranking , I said people were getting prepared. There are multiple people that are starting to think about the 1v1 . Also, Kabam said they would look similar to the showdown.
That's the point of a surprise though. It was a surprise. Not to mention announcing these things in advance would be pandemonium.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
SO because I don't agree, then I have nothing to contribute? Pretty one-sided discussion if that's the case.
Rofl again with the SOP u were traumatized by that event... What does it matter how many R3 he had?.. all the people complaining are only complaining cause they cant awaken their R3?!.. if its a champ that requires the awakening . What on earth are they doing taking it to r3?...
The other guy saying that "oh im gonna hoard everything now .." well if the event doesnt hapoen again it would be useless.. so he us assuming it will come back otherwise he wouldn't bother hoarding... (Also its the same guy who admits using AG on Daredevil...)
The game has an "economy" and its very important to manage it...slapping an AG on every champ is wasteful.. u want to do it its your choice and its respectable... But if u cant afford things later cause u can't afford them.. ITS WAS YOUR CHOICE
Its the 2nd MOST VALUABLE ITEM in the game right now, it wasnt gonna be cheap and it clearly wasnt meant for EVERYBODY
The people claiming to be "end game players"... Why are u guys using all your AG?.. and even if u used them.. u can still trade some... I find it hard to believe End game players have used ALL OF THEIR AGs...
You could open 12 5* awakening-gem crystals and not manage to get the 6* gem. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of using them.
You find it hard to believe end game players use their gems, I find it hard to believe people can have opinions like this.
Why cause it doesnt benefit your cause?... I'll tell u my experience... I dont rank up junk champs, using an AG even less... I had about 57 4* AGs crystals from Solo crystal's And about 400 solo crystals in stock. I also had 4 generic AG 3 mutant and 2 of the other classes except Skill... So yeah this event was great for me.. now calling an even UNFAIR, cause it doesnt benefit u is a bit ridiculous... Because someone "preached" on using everything... Yeah it is ridiculous and a little bit narcissistic, also i think i read an AG was used on SWSigil...a paywall champ u can get to dup if u continue with a sigil.. so yeah u want to pop resources like candy good for u... An event like this happens u can't call it unfair cause it doesnt benefit one's needs... It might Suck for u but far from being unfair
And let me ask a question When the gold sale happened, was it "UNFAIR" for the people that didnt farm gold before it hit?
No, because you could do incursions, arena, EQ to get it. That's the problem with this event.
The total sale was over 6 mill gold, it was not an easy farm for people that didnt have it. I read people posting about selling 3 and 4* awakening gems.. thats on them
I don't get your stance on this?
It seems that you are upset because we feel that we should have got a chance.
This is not a Cav vs TB situation. This is not a Pay vs F2P situation This is not a AQ top 20 vs Bottom 3000 This is not a Masters AW vs Silver AW
This is a peer conversation for people who have close to 100% content if not almost finished.
It's one thing if we were upset about the pulls we got, it's another when we don't have an opportunity.
This isn't narcissistic. Nothing ridiculous about feeling left out here.
There has never been a precedent of trading 5 generic 5* gems for a 6* awakening crystal.
Only end game AG hoarders, or spenders (who spent 1k+ USD on their account) who first didn't really need to use 5* generic gems so they hoarded them, and second, the main factor, hoarded 2+ of each 5* AGs, have the opportunity to cash in on this 5 gems for 6* awakening crystal deal.
Having hoarded 5* AGs (particularly not using a generic 5* AG) for years isn't skill, because there was no such trade in value.
Who said anything about skill? Its about working and earning those AGs.. there were so many given this year alone.
I also made the point that well if you are a collector of silver stars and want them all dup thats the way you like playing the game. There NEVER WAS A GOLD SALE EITHER, but a lot of people didnt complain about it... A few did same as now. If we are only going to play a game based on precedents there wouldnt be anything new... It is narcisistic to think hey its unfair cause i cant get it.. so what would have been a fair price? I remind you that the base price of an 6* AG is finishing the abyss or a paywall of 15k+ units.. so what is a fair price? 4.. 3 generic AGs?... Maybe the exact ammount that you have to be able to get it? Wanna talk about skill? I dont think there is any skill in slapping an awakening gem on every piece of 5*.... Specially when the game is taking the direction of giving you 5* as iso banks. Just by finishing act 3 u get a 5* for free on this anniversary calendar... And end game players are complaining cause they spent every AG? 🤣
Your examples are terrible.
Skill was mentioned earlier regarding how this "cost" (5 generic 5* AG) isn't relievable, earnable (can't be grinded for, like gold or units). It comes down to who hoarded AGs- whether due to being a big spender (who rarely/never relied on AGs), or accounts who only using 1 or 2 AGs in one's 4+ year playing this game.
This makes it remarkably different than the gold tradein event.
No one is arguing here for or against, "always follow the precedent." Regarding new content. Any new concepts/ideas should be met with scrutiny, as players have been showing here. You ask, "what is a fair price?" Yet try to dismiss people's complaint that the price this time is too high this time, because AGs weren't marketed as a currency to be hoarded.
Funny how you mention the 6* AG "paywall" aspect from abyss, but you forget abyss is permanent content. Moreover, you fail to account that as time progresses, items devalue, so why shouldn't players not want their opinions dismissed, especially if it's a majority. How much an item devalues is debatable, but is worth discussing.
1) AGs are finite compared to gold/units. Players can't earn more AGs currently before tradein event ends. They can grind other currencies.
2) Players feelings of frustration are valid here, and people dismissing them as narcissistic and their opinions invalid haven't shown how it is such, but rather the contrary.
3) there are many players who hoarded AGs, yet used 1 or 2 generic AGs, and are still barred from this tradein 5* AGs for 1 6* AG crystal. Your weird statement of end game players complaining unfair because they uses most of their 5* AG doesn't apply to many here who have voiced their complaints.
4) AGs were never marketed as a tradein item/currency, so why should players be punished for not treating it as a currency?
5) there are some players saying, they should hoard everything, because what other future items they currently have can become a currency? That's a valid concern for non-big spenders.
U r so enraged u can't trade for a 6* AG u cant even read right...who said anything about gold trade in? I meant the Gold sale they had where u could get a bunch of stuff for 6 million gold...they didnt announce it.. a lot of people missed out.. YOUR POINTS 1- Never talked about gold trade... The point of the GOLD SALE was to compare it to the fact that both events were never announced prior or never happened before.
2- Frustration, anger is valid, sucks to be left out. Fairness on the other hand?..just because they can't get it its not fair? So what would a fair price be?.. the one that they can afford?...
3- I dont understand why "Endgame" players would be using AGs on absolutely everything...I'll give u a few examples from this post only... People used AGs on Sigil SW...its their own choice and i respect it.. Dont call an event unfair cause u used your resouces as u wished and now you can't afford the other. Its the way life works..
4- AG were never marketed as trade.. TRUE, there is a first time for everything!... Nexus 6* crystals were never sold for gold... Did people complain about this?.. yes only the ones that didnt get a warning to pre farm gold... Did they announce such thing?. No This was announced a few days ago, announcing it didnt help cause its not something that u could have farmed. So what would have been a fair timeframe to announce a first time event?..
5- Hoarding.. do you really think that when Kabam talks about the issue of hoarding, they are talking about an item that stacks in 5?... A rare item that u were able to get 1 per month maybe?...
The only aspect of this whole post that i would agree to would be the fact that u should be able to trade 3 of any class for 1 Generic... Everything else i believe is fair
The gold nexus crystal you can farm. Please stop using that as an example. It was a currency that could be obtained , and many did grind it. Even content creators put out ways to farm gold. The gold event was not a "tough luck" Situation .
Even if I had 1000 4* AGs I could still only trade them in for 5 chances at the 5* AG I needed.
There aren't many places to get generic gems in the game. For 6* gems it's even more of a rare occurrence.
You don't hear anyone having issues about having to work for them. I really don't see how that is hard for you to understand.
It was a great and FAIR event, a lot of people were able to trade and some weren't. And about a lot of people willing to work for it..there is a lot of people that in the last months didnt even wanna bother with EQ, SQ, objectives and so on.. does this mean that they would have the resources to trade if they did?.. hard to tell its based on RNG.. but there was a lot of generic AGs in the last couple of months.
If they didn't bother with EQ or SQ that is their decision, if Kabam told them " Get ready and you want to do this event because XYZ" they would do it.
They have communicated about summer of pain so we held out resources to rank the best champs.
They have communicated about the 2 month side event( which was the worst BTW) so we did the event so next month we could get better rewards.
They told us about the new 1v1 challenge so people are getting prepared for that.
Summer of pain happens every year... How can u compare an event that you have to fight and get rewards to a trade store .. How did u rank the best champs when they didn't announce the fights and nodes?... How do u prepare for 1v1?....All u did is see a format on the showdown...u still dont know how its gonna work...
I basically got sent to abyss.
The weeks leading up to SOP was worth 1 gold only and the fights were tough.
Let's say you decided to skip all 11 weeks, because it's a waste of time.
Now imagine the day the big event drops you find you aren't eligible for the rewards because you skipped the other weeks.
Everyone knew that they had to continue or else they would miss out on rewards.
How on earth is this comparable to SoP.. And u still failed to explain to me HOW you ranked up your best champions when EVERY FIGHT was announced on release date except for the last one that had all the fights combined?..
My point is no one knew it was coming or we would have done things differently.
I didn't say anyone was ranking , I said people were getting prepared. There are multiple people that are starting to think about the 1v1 . Also, Kabam said they would look similar to the showdown.
That's the point of a surprise though. It was a surprise. Not to mention announcing these things in advance would be pandemonium.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
SO because I don't agree, then I have nothing to contribute? Pretty one-sided discussion if that's the case.
No, I think you can contribute you just aren't "contributing". GW , I have been reading your post. , you aren't exactly providing any solutions. From what I gather you are basically saying :
" Everyone is not meant to get rewards" " I am happy with my use of gems" " Kabam is not forcing you to hoard or not hoard"
Let's work out some SMART goals for this?
Specifics : The goal is being able to understand how Kabam could leave such a valuable resource up to RNG to their top end players
Measurable: I would like to hear from a mod or Kabam what their intentions were within the 7 days of the event.
Achievable: I would like to accomplish this by opening a thread , to discuss options and provide solutions to be implemented.
Relevance: TOP RESOURCE IN GAME!
Timebound : 7 days!
That's my goal!
What's yours?
It's not hard to figure out how. The Trade-In provides a way to trade Resources towards what you want. In the case of the 6* Gem, that's a rare Resource, so the cost is very specific. Some people MAY be able to trade up to it, but not as a given. The Store is designed to limit access to a very specific goal. Those that have what is required. Hence my earlier comments about not being a given for everyone. My goal is to insert some common sense.
Are you implying that no one else is displaying common sense? Or are you stating you need to interject YOUR common sense? It’s all perspective
Common sense is shared knowledge. That's what makes it common. Otherwise it's just me sense.
Then you’re just sharing “me sense”, because common sense dictates we change our methods if we want to take advantage of this in the future. Even if it’s a 1% chance it reappears, it’s common sense that will make people hoard more. Like you said, it wasn’t for everyone, it’s for those that had the resources. So my common sense is to tell everyone to hoard their resources.
I'm sorry for asking this.. In exchange of 5 generic we get 6* class awakening gem right.. It can roll to any of the classes.. Or we have option to select one?
The people claiming to be "end game players"... Why are u guys using all your AG?.. and even if u used them.. u can still trade some... I find it hard to believe End game players have used ALL OF THEIR AGs...
You could open 12 5* awakening-gem crystals and not manage to get the 6* gem. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of using them.
You find it hard to believe end game players use their gems, I find it hard to believe people can have opinions like this.
Why cause it doesnt benefit your cause?... I'll tell u my experience... I dont rank up junk champs, using an AG even less... I had about 57 4* AGs crystals from Solo crystal's And about 400 solo crystals in stock. I also had 4 generic AG 3 mutant and 2 of the other classes except Skill... So yeah this event was great for me.. now calling an even UNFAIR, cause it doesnt benefit u is a bit ridiculous... Because someone "preached" on using everything... Yeah it is ridiculous and a little bit narcissistic, also i think i read an AG was used on SWSigil...a paywall champ u can get to dup if u continue with a sigil.. so yeah u want to pop resources like candy good for u... An event like this happens u can't call it unfair cause it doesnt benefit one's needs... It might Suck for u but far from being unfair
And let me ask a question When the gold sale happened, was it "UNFAIR" for the people that didnt farm gold before it hit?
No, because you could do incursions, arena, EQ to get it. That's the problem with this event.
The total sale was over 6 mill gold, it was not an easy farm for people that didnt have it. I read people posting about selling 3 and 4* awakening gems.. thats on them
I don't get your stance on this?
It seems that you are upset because we feel that we should have got a chance.
This is not a Cav vs TB situation. This is not a Pay vs F2P situation This is not a AQ top 20 vs Bottom 3000 This is not a Masters AW vs Silver AW
This is a peer conversation for people who have close to 100% content if not almost finished.
It's one thing if we were upset about the pulls we got, it's another when we don't have an opportunity.
This isn't narcissistic. Nothing ridiculous about feeling left out here.
There has never been a precedent of trading 5 generic 5* gems for a 6* awakening crystal.
Only end game AG hoarders, or spenders (who spent 1k+ USD on their account) who first didn't really need to use 5* generic gems so they hoarded them, and second, the main factor, hoarded 2+ of each 5* AGs, have the opportunity to cash in on this 5 gems for 6* awakening crystal deal.
Having hoarded 5* AGs (particularly not using a generic 5* AG) for years isn't skill, because there was no such trade in value.
Who said anything about skill? Its about working and earning those AGs.. there were so many given this year alone.
I also made the point that well if you are a collector of silver stars and want them all dup thats the way you like playing the game. There NEVER WAS A GOLD SALE EITHER, but a lot of people didnt complain about it... A few did same as now. If we are only going to play a game based on precedents there wouldnt be anything new... It is narcisistic to think hey its unfair cause i cant get it.. so what would have been a fair price? I remind you that the base price of an 6* AG is finishing the abyss or a paywall of 15k+ units.. so what is a fair price? 4.. 3 generic AGs?... Maybe the exact ammount that you have to be able to get it? Wanna talk about skill? I dont think there is any skill in slapping an awakening gem on every piece of 5*.... Specially when the game is taking the direction of giving you 5* as iso banks. Just by finishing act 3 u get a 5* for free on this anniversary calendar... And end game players are complaining cause they spent every AG? 🤣
Your examples are terrible.
Skill was mentioned earlier regarding how this "cost" (5 generic 5* AG) isn't relievable, earnable (can't be grinded for, like gold or units). It comes down to who hoarded AGs- whether due to being a big spender (who rarely/never relied on AGs), or accounts who only using 1 or 2 AGs in one's 4+ year playing this game.
This makes it remarkably different than the gold tradein event.
No one is arguing here for or against, "always follow the precedent." Regarding new content. Any new concepts/ideas should be met with scrutiny, as players have been showing here. You ask, "what is a fair price?" Yet try to dismiss people's complaint that the price this time is too high this time, because AGs weren't marketed as a currency to be hoarded.
Funny how you mention the 6* AG "paywall" aspect from abyss, but you forget abyss is permanent content. Moreover, you fail to account that as time progresses, items devalue, so why shouldn't players not want their opinions dismissed, especially if it's a majority. How much an item devalues is debatable, but is worth discussing.
1) AGs are finite compared to gold/units. Players can't earn more AGs currently before tradein event ends. They can grind other currencies.
2) Players feelings of frustration are valid here, and people dismissing them as narcissistic and their opinions invalid haven't shown how it is such, but rather the contrary.
3) there are many players who hoarded AGs, yet used 1 or 2 generic AGs, and are still barred from this tradein 5* AGs for 1 6* AG crystal. Your weird statement of end game players complaining unfair because they uses most of their 5* AG doesn't apply to many here who have voiced their complaints.
4) AGs were never marketed as a tradein item/currency, so why should players be punished for not treating it as a currency?
5) there are some players saying, they should hoard everything, because what other future items they currently have can become a currency? That's a valid concern for non-big spenders.
U r so enraged u can't trade for a 6* AG u cant even read right...who said anything about gold trade in? I meant the Gold sale they had where u could get a bunch of stuff for 6 million gold...they didnt announce it.. a lot of people missed out.. YOUR POINTS 1- Never talked about gold trade... The point of the GOLD SALE was to compare it to the fact that both events were never announced prior or never happened before.
2- Frustration, anger is valid, sucks to be left out. Fairness on the other hand?..just because they can't get it its not fair? So what would a fair price be?.. the one that they can afford?...
3- I dont understand why "Endgame" players would be using AGs on absolutely everything...I'll give u a few examples from this post only... People used AGs on Sigil SW...its their own choice and i respect it.. Dont call an event unfair cause u used your resouces as u wished and now you can't afford the other. Its the way life works..
4- AG were never marketed as trade.. TRUE, there is a first time for everything!... Nexus 6* crystals were never sold for gold... Did people complain about this?.. yes only the ones that didnt get a warning to pre farm gold... Did they announce such thing?. No This was announced a few days ago, announcing it didnt help cause its not something that u could have farmed. So what would have been a fair timeframe to announce a first time event?..
5- Hoarding.. do you really think that when Kabam talks about the issue of hoarding, they are talking about an item that stacks in 5?... A rare item that u were able to get 1 per month maybe?...
The only aspect of this whole post that i would agree to would be the fact that u should be able to trade 3 of any class for 1 Generic... Everything else i believe is fair
The gold nexus crystal you can farm. Please stop using that as an example. It was a currency that could be obtained , and many did grind it. Even content creators put out ways to farm gold. The gold event was not a "tough luck" Situation .
Even if I had 1000 4* AGs I could still only trade them in for 5 chances at the 5* AG I needed.
There aren't many places to get generic gems in the game. For 6* gems it's even more of a rare occurrence.
You don't hear anyone having issues about having to work for them. I really don't see how that is hard for you to understand.
It was a great and FAIR event, a lot of people were able to trade and some weren't. And about a lot of people willing to work for it..there is a lot of people that in the last months didnt even wanna bother with EQ, SQ, objectives and so on.. does this mean that they would have the resources to trade if they did?.. hard to tell its based on RNG.. but there was a lot of generic AGs in the last couple of months.
If they didn't bother with EQ or SQ that is their decision, if Kabam told them " Get ready and you want to do this event because XYZ" they would do it.
They have communicated about summer of pain so we held out resources to rank the best champs.
They have communicated about the 2 month side event( which was the worst BTW) so we did the event so next month we could get better rewards.
They told us about the new 1v1 challenge so people are getting prepared for that.
Summer of pain happens every year... How can u compare an event that you have to fight and get rewards to a trade store .. How did u rank the best champs when they didn't announce the fights and nodes?... How do u prepare for 1v1?....All u did is see a format on the showdown...u still dont know how its gonna work...
I basically got sent to abyss.
The weeks leading up to SOP was worth 1 gold only and the fights were tough.
Let's say you decided to skip all 11 weeks, because it's a waste of time.
Now imagine the day the big event drops you find you aren't eligible for the rewards because you skipped the other weeks.
Everyone knew that they had to continue or else they would miss out on rewards.
How on earth is this comparable to SoP.. And u still failed to explain to me HOW you ranked up your best champions when EVERY FIGHT was announced on release date except for the last one that had all the fights combined?..
My point is no one knew it was coming or we would have done things differently.
I didn't say anyone was ranking , I said people were getting prepared. There are multiple people that are starting to think about the 1v1 . Also, Kabam said they would look similar to the showdown.
That's the point of a surprise though. It was a surprise. Not to mention announcing these things in advance would be pandemonium.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
SO because I don't agree, then I have nothing to contribute? Pretty one-sided discussion if that's the case.
No, I think you can contribute you just aren't "contributing". GW , I have been reading your post. , you aren't exactly providing any solutions. From what I gather you are basically saying :
" Everyone is not meant to get rewards" " I am happy with my use of gems" " Kabam is not forcing you to hoard or not hoard"
Let's work out some SMART goals for this?
Specifics : The goal is being able to understand how Kabam could leave such a valuable resource up to RNG to their top end players
Measurable: I would like to hear from a mod or Kabam what their intentions were within the 7 days of the event.
Achievable: I would like to accomplish this by opening a thread , to discuss options and provide solutions to be implemented.
Relevance: TOP RESOURCE IN GAME!
Timebound : 7 days!
That's my goal!
What's yours?
It's not hard to figure out how. The Trade-In provides a way to trade Resources towards what you want. In the case of the 6* Gem, that's a rare Resource, so the cost is very specific. Some people MAY be able to trade up to it, but not as a given. The Store is designed to limit access to a very specific goal. Those that have what is required. Hence my earlier comments about not being a given for everyone. My goal is to insert some common sense.
Are you implying that no one else is displaying common sense? Or are you stating you need to interject YOUR common sense? It’s all perspective
Common sense is shared knowledge. That's what makes it common. Otherwise it's just me sense.
Then you’re just sharing “me sense”, because common sense dictates we change our methods if we want to take advantage of this in the future. Even if it’s a 1% chance it reappears, it’s common sense that will make people hoard more. Like you said, it wasn’t for everyone, it’s for those that had the resources. So my common sense is to tell everyone to hoard their resources.
No, I'm saying common sense dictates this is the first time they've offered a 6* Gem trade-in. It also indicates that Kabam is not telling anyone to hoard. What people choose to do is another story.
The people claiming to be "end game players"... Why are u guys using all your AG?.. and even if u used them.. u can still trade some... I find it hard to believe End game players have used ALL OF THEIR AGs...
You could open 12 5* awakening-gem crystals and not manage to get the 6* gem. Sometimes it’s not even a matter of using them.
You find it hard to believe end game players use their gems, I find it hard to believe people can have opinions like this.
Why cause it doesnt benefit your cause?... I'll tell u my experience... I dont rank up junk champs, using an AG even less... I had about 57 4* AGs crystals from Solo crystal's And about 400 solo crystals in stock. I also had 4 generic AG 3 mutant and 2 of the other classes except Skill... So yeah this event was great for me.. now calling an even UNFAIR, cause it doesnt benefit u is a bit ridiculous... Because someone "preached" on using everything... Yeah it is ridiculous and a little bit narcissistic, also i think i read an AG was used on SWSigil...a paywall champ u can get to dup if u continue with a sigil.. so yeah u want to pop resources like candy good for u... An event like this happens u can't call it unfair cause it doesnt benefit one's needs... It might Suck for u but far from being unfair
And let me ask a question When the gold sale happened, was it "UNFAIR" for the people that didnt farm gold before it hit?
No, because you could do incursions, arena, EQ to get it. That's the problem with this event.
The total sale was over 6 mill gold, it was not an easy farm for people that didnt have it. I read people posting about selling 3 and 4* awakening gems.. thats on them
I don't get your stance on this?
It seems that you are upset because we feel that we should have got a chance.
This is not a Cav vs TB situation. This is not a Pay vs F2P situation This is not a AQ top 20 vs Bottom 3000 This is not a Masters AW vs Silver AW
This is a peer conversation for people who have close to 100% content if not almost finished.
It's one thing if we were upset about the pulls we got, it's another when we don't have an opportunity.
This isn't narcissistic. Nothing ridiculous about feeling left out here.
There has never been a precedent of trading 5 generic 5* gems for a 6* awakening crystal.
Only end game AG hoarders, or spenders (who spent 1k+ USD on their account) who first didn't really need to use 5* generic gems so they hoarded them, and second, the main factor, hoarded 2+ of each 5* AGs, have the opportunity to cash in on this 5 gems for 6* awakening crystal deal.
Having hoarded 5* AGs (particularly not using a generic 5* AG) for years isn't skill, because there was no such trade in value.
Who said anything about skill? Its about working and earning those AGs.. there were so many given this year alone.
I also made the point that well if you are a collector of silver stars and want them all dup thats the way you like playing the game. There NEVER WAS A GOLD SALE EITHER, but a lot of people didnt complain about it... A few did same as now. If we are only going to play a game based on precedents there wouldnt be anything new... It is narcisistic to think hey its unfair cause i cant get it.. so what would have been a fair price? I remind you that the base price of an 6* AG is finishing the abyss or a paywall of 15k+ units.. so what is a fair price? 4.. 3 generic AGs?... Maybe the exact ammount that you have to be able to get it? Wanna talk about skill? I dont think there is any skill in slapping an awakening gem on every piece of 5*.... Specially when the game is taking the direction of giving you 5* as iso banks. Just by finishing act 3 u get a 5* for free on this anniversary calendar... And end game players are complaining cause they spent every AG? 🤣
Your examples are terrible.
Skill was mentioned earlier regarding how this "cost" (5 generic 5* AG) isn't relievable, earnable (can't be grinded for, like gold or units). It comes down to who hoarded AGs- whether due to being a big spender (who rarely/never relied on AGs), or accounts who only using 1 or 2 AGs in one's 4+ year playing this game.
This makes it remarkably different than the gold tradein event.
No one is arguing here for or against, "always follow the precedent." Regarding new content. Any new concepts/ideas should be met with scrutiny, as players have been showing here. You ask, "what is a fair price?" Yet try to dismiss people's complaint that the price this time is too high this time, because AGs weren't marketed as a currency to be hoarded.
Funny how you mention the 6* AG "paywall" aspect from abyss, but you forget abyss is permanent content. Moreover, you fail to account that as time progresses, items devalue, so why shouldn't players not want their opinions dismissed, especially if it's a majority. How much an item devalues is debatable, but is worth discussing.
1) AGs are finite compared to gold/units. Players can't earn more AGs currently before tradein event ends. They can grind other currencies.
2) Players feelings of frustration are valid here, and people dismissing them as narcissistic and their opinions invalid haven't shown how it is such, but rather the contrary.
3) there are many players who hoarded AGs, yet used 1 or 2 generic AGs, and are still barred from this tradein 5* AGs for 1 6* AG crystal. Your weird statement of end game players complaining unfair because they uses most of their 5* AG doesn't apply to many here who have voiced their complaints.
4) AGs were never marketed as a tradein item/currency, so why should players be punished for not treating it as a currency?
5) there are some players saying, they should hoard everything, because what other future items they currently have can become a currency? That's a valid concern for non-big spenders.
U r so enraged u can't trade for a 6* AG u cant even read right...who said anything about gold trade in? I meant the Gold sale they had where u could get a bunch of stuff for 6 million gold...they didnt announce it.. a lot of people missed out.. YOUR POINTS 1- Never talked about gold trade... The point of the GOLD SALE was to compare it to the fact that both events were never announced prior or never happened before.
2- Frustration, anger is valid, sucks to be left out. Fairness on the other hand?..just because they can't get it its not fair? So what would a fair price be?.. the one that they can afford?...
3- I dont understand why "Endgame" players would be using AGs on absolutely everything...I'll give u a few examples from this post only... People used AGs on Sigil SW...its their own choice and i respect it.. Dont call an event unfair cause u used your resouces as u wished and now you can't afford the other. Its the way life works..
4- AG were never marketed as trade.. TRUE, there is a first time for everything!... Nexus 6* crystals were never sold for gold... Did people complain about this?.. yes only the ones that didnt get a warning to pre farm gold... Did they announce such thing?. No This was announced a few days ago, announcing it didnt help cause its not something that u could have farmed. So what would have been a fair timeframe to announce a first time event?..
5- Hoarding.. do you really think that when Kabam talks about the issue of hoarding, they are talking about an item that stacks in 5?... A rare item that u were able to get 1 per month maybe?...
The only aspect of this whole post that i would agree to would be the fact that u should be able to trade 3 of any class for 1 Generic... Everything else i believe is fair
The gold nexus crystal you can farm. Please stop using that as an example. It was a currency that could be obtained , and many did grind it. Even content creators put out ways to farm gold. The gold event was not a "tough luck" Situation .
Even if I had 1000 4* AGs I could still only trade them in for 5 chances at the 5* AG I needed.
There aren't many places to get generic gems in the game. For 6* gems it's even more of a rare occurrence.
You don't hear anyone having issues about having to work for them. I really don't see how that is hard for you to understand.
It was a great and FAIR event, a lot of people were able to trade and some weren't. And about a lot of people willing to work for it..there is a lot of people that in the last months didnt even wanna bother with EQ, SQ, objectives and so on.. does this mean that they would have the resources to trade if they did?.. hard to tell its based on RNG.. but there was a lot of generic AGs in the last couple of months.
If they didn't bother with EQ or SQ that is their decision, if Kabam told them " Get ready and you want to do this event because XYZ" they would do it.
They have communicated about summer of pain so we held out resources to rank the best champs.
They have communicated about the 2 month side event( which was the worst BTW) so we did the event so next month we could get better rewards.
They told us about the new 1v1 challenge so people are getting prepared for that.
Summer of pain happens every year... How can u compare an event that you have to fight and get rewards to a trade store .. How did u rank the best champs when they didn't announce the fights and nodes?... How do u prepare for 1v1?....All u did is see a format on the showdown...u still dont know how its gonna work...
I basically got sent to abyss.
The weeks leading up to SOP was worth 1 gold only and the fights were tough.
Let's say you decided to skip all 11 weeks, because it's a waste of time.
Now imagine the day the big event drops you find you aren't eligible for the rewards because you skipped the other weeks.
Everyone knew that they had to continue or else they would miss out on rewards.
How on earth is this comparable to SoP.. And u still failed to explain to me HOW you ranked up your best champions when EVERY FIGHT was announced on release date except for the last one that had all the fights combined?..
My point is no one knew it was coming or we would have done things differently.
I didn't say anyone was ranking , I said people were getting prepared. There are multiple people that are starting to think about the 1v1 . Also, Kabam said they would look similar to the showdown.
That's the point of a surprise though. It was a surprise. Not to mention announcing these things in advance would be pandemonium.
It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
SO because I don't agree, then I have nothing to contribute? Pretty one-sided discussion if that's the case.
Rofl again with the SOP u were traumatized by that event... What does it matter how many R3 he had?.. all the people complaining are only complaining cause they cant awaken their R3?!.. if its a champ that requires the awakening . What on earth are they doing taking it to r3?...
The other guy saying that "oh im gonna hoard everything now .." well if the event doesnt hapoen again it would be useless.. so he us assuming it will come back otherwise he wouldn't bother hoarding... (Also its the same guy who admits using AG on Daredevil...)
The game has an "economy" and its very important to manage it...slapping an AG on every champ is wasteful.. u want to do it its your choice and its respectable... But if u cant afford things later cause u can't afford them.. ITS WAS YOUR CHOICE
Its the 2nd MOST VALUABLE ITEM in the game right now, it wasnt gonna be cheap and it clearly wasnt meant for EVERYBODY
Making it not ridiculous doesn't mean it had to be cheap. I would have been cool beyond cool with 5 if they sold some low level generics at the same time or made some way for us to get those generics through grinding out some side content or a ton of arena. They'd probably be better off with these things if they ran them past someone that gets it. Maybe a team member's family friend that sells stuff on Etsy or something.
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It wasn't a surprise , it was in their event movie I think.
My biggest issue is that's not a surprise , it's a shock.
I really hope you can appreciate the post. If not, I don't understand how you have anything to contribute. Saying you are happy, does nothing for anyone . I would like to ask you the following questions:
What % content do you have done? Roughly ?
How many 6* R3 champs do you have?
What do you score in AQ currently?
Did you complete SOP 100%?
And just out of curiosity why the hell do you believe that someone’s progression in the validates or completely discredits their belief??? Or that they are obligated to validate their level of experience for your piece of mind.(not sure what aq has to do with personal progression either)
" Everyone is not meant to get rewards"
" I am happy with my use of gems"
" Kabam is not forcing you to hoard or not hoard"
Let's work out some SMART goals for this?
Specifics : The goal is being able to understand how Kabam could leave such a valuable resource up to RNG to their top end players
Measurable: I would like to hear from a mod or Kabam what their intentions were within the 7 days of the event.
Achievable: I would like to accomplish this by opening a thread , to discuss options and provide solutions to be implemented.
Relevance: TOP RESOURCE IN GAME!
Timebound : 7 days!
That's my goal!
What's yours?
I hope Kabam responds at some point so people can get back to crying about the state of the game and how bad it is right now
My goal is to insert some common sense.
Maybe jan can changed that, since im not doing anything for the gifting event
What does it matter how many R3 he had?.. all the people complaining are only complaining cause they cant awaken their R3?!.. if its a champ that requires the awakening . What on earth are they doing taking it to r3?...
The other guy saying that "oh im gonna hoard everything now .." well if the event doesnt hapoen again it would be useless.. so he us assuming it will come back otherwise he wouldn't bother hoarding... (Also its the same guy who admits using AG on Daredevil...)
The game has an "economy" and its very important to manage it...slapping an AG on every champ is wasteful.. u want to do it its your choice and its respectable... But if u cant afford things later cause u can't afford them.. ITS WAS YOUR CHOICE
Its the 2nd MOST VALUABLE ITEM in the game right now, it wasnt gonna be cheap and it clearly wasnt meant for EVERYBODY
They'd probably be better off with these things if they ran them past someone that gets it. Maybe a team member's family friend that sells stuff on Etsy or something.