4 days later 16 pages of valid complaints and reasonable possible solutions and still no response.
How is "I used my gems on worthless champs for no good reason and not I can't get the 6* AG. Kabam change the rules for me!" a valid complaint?
It is between us and kabam, what is your problem ?? I don’t understand why people are you here.
I generally hate most decisions Kamab makes but this "discussion' just bothers me. People are acting like children who want their cake and eat it too. If you chose to use your gems on worthless champs so your arena teams got a few more points or so you could test a sig ability then you ate your cake. Enjoy it. Now that you see a better offer you're pissy that you don't have your cake anymore. Sorry, but that's life. You can get the benefits from using the gems AND get the rules changed so you can get the 6* gem. Grow up.
4 days later 16 pages of valid complaints and reasonable possible solutions and still no response.
How is "I used my gems on worthless champs for no good reason and not I can't get the 6* AG. Kabam change the rules for me!" a valid complaint?
It is between us and kabam, what is your problem ?? I don’t understand why people are you here.
I generally hate most decisions Kamab makes but this "discussion' just bothers me. People are acting like children who want their cake and eat it too. If you chose to use your gems on worthless champs so your arena teams got a few more points or so you could test a sig ability then you ate your cake. Enjoy it. Now that you see a better offer you're pissy that you don't have your cake anymore. Sorry, but that's life. You can get the benefits from using the gems AND get the rules changed so you can get the 6* gem. Grow up.
While this is true , the RNG aspect of opening gems is still there. That is a legitimate issue imo. And there have been solutions suggested such as intermediate currencies
4 days later 16 pages of valid complaints and reasonable possible solutions and still no response.
How is "I used my gems on worthless champs for no good reason and not I can't get the 6* AG. Kabam change the rules for me!" a valid complaint?
It is between us and kabam, what is your problem ?? I don’t understand why people are you here.
I generally hate most decisions Kamab makes but this "discussion' just bothers me. People are acting like children who want their cake and eat it too. If you chose to use your gems on worthless champs so your arena teams got a few more points or so you could test a sig ability then you ate your cake. Enjoy it. Now that you see a better offer you're pissy that you don't have your cake anymore. Sorry, but that's life. You can get the benefits from using the gems AND get the rules changed so you can get the 6* gem. Grow up.
We dont ask to discount. We ask to change the way of getting generic without changing the amount of gems needed in total. If you got good rng or are psycho hoarder (dont try to justify hoarding having 100000 ags saved up. You would never need that much. 2-3 generics and couple of each class? Tottaly logical. As did most of us) But we wrote a big post and kabam MIGHT help us. So fighting for something even with a small chance success is not childish. So grow up yourself man and get out of here (i cant force you sure) cause only thing you are showing here is that your a jelous ss who doesnt want others to get the stuff he got FOR THE SAME PRICE. Definition of selfishness.
4 days later 16 pages of valid complaints and reasonable possible solutions and still no response.
How is "I used my gems on worthless champs for no good reason and not I can't get the 6* AG. Kabam change the rules for me!" a valid complaint?
It is between us and kabam, what is your problem ?? I don’t understand why people are you here.
I generally hate most decisions Kamab makes but this "discussion' just bothers me. People are acting like children who want their cake and eat it too. If you chose to use your gems on worthless champs so your arena teams got a few more points or so you could test a sig ability then you ate your cake. Enjoy it. Now that you see a better offer you're pissy that you don't have your cake anymore. Sorry, but that's life. You can get the benefits from using the gems AND get the rules changed so you can get the 6* gem. Grow up.
I’d argue that the person calling other people children and pissy, and telling them to grow up while denouncing their discussion as a “discussion” is the one that likely needs to take their own advice.
Or is it not possible for you to disagree with someone without insults as the backbone of your argument?
Phew it was hard reading some of these incoherent comments. AGs so far were meant as tools to unlock potential. Remove RNG. The new trade in store has made arbitrary goalposts of hoarding awakening gems to be able to get a 6* AG. I totally understand why one side is furious at being denied. It is a new, unseen, arbit requirement for the rarest resource in game. We were all blindsided. The scary thing is, it is so arbitrary, you can imagine what the next random goalpost will be. Will it be something like how many (2016 only) r3-r4 gems you have sitting it your inventory? You cannot make goalposts on consumables, it isnt healthy.
I can't help but think it would be comical/sad/helpful if there was a Gem in the Christmas store after all this. Hahaha.
And then watch as everybody who traded their 5-star generics and re-rolled for a Cosmic 6-star gem, end up with another Cosmic 6-star gem on Christmas, and then come back here and flip on Kabam and RNG.
4 days later 16 pages of valid complaints and reasonable possible solutions and still no response.
How is "I used my gems on worthless champs for no good reason and not I can't get the 6* AG. Kabam change the rules for me!" a valid complaint?
It is between us and kabam, what is your problem ?? I don’t understand why people are you here.
I generally hate most decisions Kamab makes but this "discussion' just bothers me. People are acting like children who want their cake and eat it too. If you chose to use your gems on worthless champs so your arena teams got a few more points or so you could test a sig ability then you ate your cake. Enjoy it. Now that you see a better offer you're pissy that you don't have your cake anymore. Sorry, but that's life. You can get the benefits from using the gems AND get the rules changed so you can get the 6* gem. Grow up.
I’d argue that the person calling other people children and pissy, and telling them to grow up while denouncing their discussion as a “discussion” is the one that likely needs to take their own advice.
Or is it not possible for you to disagree with someone without insults as the backbone of your argument?
Not only the insults from him and a number of other "counter argumenters"- they also make so many assumptions about people trying to implore with Kabam about this tradein missing the mark: ranging from players who missed being able to trade for a 6* AG crystal were squandering their AGs. There are players who used 3 out of 20+ gems given to them (over the course of 4+ years playing) and still are barred from this trade for a 6* AG crystal because of RNG.
Not every endgame player opened 50+, 100+, 200+ GGCs in 2020, and were able pull a 5* AG from it.
This tradein deal heavily favors those who spent heavily, had good RNG to pull extra 5* AGs, as well as players who made many alt accounts to gift themselves GGCs last year.
The unfortunate thing is Kabam didn't permanently ban the people who exploited mass gifting/bot units in 2019/2020. They gave negative units/gave temporary bans to the ones they caught/deemed excessive, but let them keep their "hard earned" rankrewards+December items rewards.
4 days later 16 pages of valid complaints and reasonable possible solutions and still no response.
How is "I used my gems on worthless champs for no good reason and not I can't get the 6* AG. Kabam change the rules for me!" a valid complaint?
It is between us and kabam, what is your problem ?? I don’t understand why people are you here.
I generally hate most decisions Kamab makes but this "discussion' just bothers me. People are acting like children who want their cake and eat it too. If you chose to use your gems on worthless champs so your arena teams got a few more points or so you could test a sig ability then you ate your cake. Enjoy it. Now that you see a better offer you're pissy that you don't have your cake anymore. Sorry, but that's life. You can get the benefits from using the gems AND get the rules changed so you can get the 6* gem. Grow up.
On what this will affect you ?? You got lucky and got your awakening gem, we don’t ask for them to give us the awakening gem for free. The way this offer was made is a mistake from the beginning since it will involved too much rng, and most of us are very close, we got bad rng on the last class AG to get our 6* Ag.
And why are you hating people to get their Ag it will not affect you in any mean so why all this hateress ?? Unless you didn’t get any use for your AG since you roster is very bad and you don’t want people to awaken their herc/ghost/dr doom..
Phew it was hard reading some of these incoherent comments. AGs so far were meant as tools to unlock potential. Remove RNG. The new trade in store has made arbitrary goalposts of hoarding awakening gems to be able to get a 6* AG. I totally understand why one side is furious at being denied. It is a new, unseen, arbit requirement for the rarest resource in game. We were all blindsided. The scary thing is, it is so arbitrary, you can imagine what the next random goalpost will be. Will it be something like how many (2016 only) r3-r4 gems you have sitting it your inventory? You cannot make goalposts on consumables, it isnt healthy.
This is a great viewpoint. It’s not just about certain folks complaining because they didn’t get what others could. It’s about what we perceive the intent of this trade-in store to be vs what the end result was. And if the intent was for a celebratory event to show appreciation to the most loyal players for sticking around these last 7 years by essentially gifting them a super rare item, well then the end result is starkly different. And the precedent it sets is concerning.
4 days later 16 pages of valid complaints and reasonable possible solutions and still no response.
How is "I used my gems on worthless champs for no good reason and not I can't get the 6* AG. Kabam change the rules for me!" a valid complaint?
It is between us and kabam, what is your problem ?? I don’t understand why people are you here.
I generally hate most decisions Kamab makes but this "discussion' just bothers me. People are acting like children who want their cake and eat it too. If you chose to use your gems on worthless champs so your arena teams got a few more points or so you could test a sig ability then you ate your cake. Enjoy it. Now that you see a better offer you're pissy that you don't have your cake anymore. Sorry, but that's life. You can get the benefits from using the gems AND get the rules changed so you can get the 6* gem. Grow up.
We dont ask to discount. We ask to change the way of getting generic without changing the amount of gems needed in total. If you got good rng or are psycho hoarder (dont try to justify hoarding having 100000 ags saved up. You would never need that much. 2-3 generics and couple of each class? Tottaly logical. As did most of us) But we wrote a big post and kabam MIGHT help us. So fighting for something even with a small chance success is not childish. So grow up yourself man and get out of here (i cant force you sure) cause only thing you are showing here is that your a jelous ss who doesnt want others to get the stuff he got FOR THE SAME PRICE. Definition of selfishness.
This post makes very little sense. If you can't even make a coherent argument then you don't have one.
4 days later 16 pages of valid complaints and reasonable possible solutions and still no response.
How is "I used my gems on worthless champs for no good reason and not I can't get the 6* AG. Kabam change the rules for me!" a valid complaint?
It is between us and kabam, what is your problem ?? I don’t understand why people are you here.
I generally hate most decisions Kamab makes but this "discussion' just bothers me. People are acting like children who want their cake and eat it too. If you chose to use your gems on worthless champs so your arena teams got a few more points or so you could test a sig ability then you ate your cake. Enjoy it. Now that you see a better offer you're pissy that you don't have your cake anymore. Sorry, but that's life. You can get the benefits from using the gems AND get the rules changed so you can get the 6* gem. Grow up.
We dont ask to discount. We ask to change the way of getting generic without changing the amount of gems needed in total. If you got good rng or are psycho hoarder (dont try to justify hoarding having 100000 ags saved up. You would never need that much. 2-3 generics and couple of each class? Tottaly logical. As did most of us) But we wrote a big post and kabam MIGHT help us. So fighting for something even with a small chance success is not childish. So grow up yourself man and get out of here (i cant force you sure) cause only thing you are showing here is that your a jelous ss who doesnt want others to get the stuff he got FOR THE SAME PRICE. Definition of selfishness.
This post makes very little sense. If you can't even make a coherent argument then you don't have one.
I dont have to make an argument. Me and others made 100000 arguments. If you like to read them scroll 18 pages. There were constructive critisizms as well wich we tried to answer. Not like yours. Coming here and telling HUNDREDS of people that their request makes no sense (without reading 18 pages of explanation) and than demanding arguments specificly for you is what actually doesnt make sense.
Give it up, look at all the namecalling, agression, mistreat of the TOS in this post... And no post being deleted... That should give the idea that this event won't be changed. And i think its fair it doesnt. Everyone talks about RNG...well look at it this way.. The people who were able to trade 3 class AG had them cause RNG was terrible for them previously...and now because some can't get a 3rd its terrible RNG I remember when 5* AGs were a hot item.. and pulling 4 sciences in a row...it sucked...always getting the ones u didnt want..well that bad RNG finally paid off, and now some are complaining about bad RNG cause u cant pull a 3rd out of 5... Yes it sucks but it seems like some people play victim of bad RNG when RNG is for everything and everyone. Kabam has set the rules... 5 Gen AG = 6* Class AG 3 same Class AG = 1 5* Gen AG People are asking to bend the rules? 3 Different Class AG = 1 5* AG?!... It should be 5 Different class AG = 1 5* generic Why should people get the benefit from changing rules when others were able to get rewarded following the rules?
4 days later 16 pages of valid complaints and reasonable possible solutions and still no response.
How is "I used my gems on worthless champs for no good reason and not I can't get the 6* AG. Kabam change the rules for me!" a valid complaint?
It is between us and kabam, what is your problem ?? I don’t understand why people are you here.
I generally hate most decisions Kamab makes but this "discussion' just bothers me. People are acting like children who want their cake and eat it too. If you chose to use your gems on worthless champs so your arena teams got a few more points or so you could test a sig ability then you ate your cake. Enjoy it. Now that you see a better offer you're pissy that you don't have your cake anymore. Sorry, but that's life. You can get the benefits from using the gems AND get the rules changed so you can get the 6* gem. Grow up.
We dont ask to discount. We ask to change the way of getting generic without changing the amount of gems needed in total. If you got good rng or are psycho hoarder (dont try to justify hoarding having 100000 ags saved up. You would never need that much. 2-3 generics and couple of each class? Tottaly logical. As did most of us) But we wrote a big post and kabam MIGHT help us. So fighting for something even with a small chance success is not childish. So grow up yourself man and get out of here (i cant force you sure) cause only thing you are showing here is that your a jelous ss who doesnt want others to get the stuff he got FOR THE SAME PRICE. Definition of selfishness.
This post makes very little sense. If you can't even make a coherent argument then you don't have one.
I dont have to make an argument. Me and others made 100000 arguments. If you like to read them scroll 18 pages. There were constructive critisizms as well wich we tried to answer. Not like yours. Coming here and telling HUNDREDS of people that their request makes no sense (without reading 18 pages of explanation) and than demanding arguments specificly for you is what actually doesnt make sense.
If you have to use hyperbole then you don't have a good argument.
4 days later 16 pages of valid complaints and reasonable possible solutions and still no response.
How is "I used my gems on worthless champs for no good reason and not I can't get the 6* AG. Kabam change the rules for me!" a valid complaint?
It is between us and kabam, what is your problem ?? I don’t understand why people are you here.
I generally hate most decisions Kamab makes but this "discussion' just bothers me. People are acting like children who want their cake and eat it too. If you chose to use your gems on worthless champs so your arena teams got a few more points or so you could test a sig ability then you ate your cake. Enjoy it. Now that you see a better offer you're pissy that you don't have your cake anymore. Sorry, but that's life. You can get the benefits from using the gems AND get the rules changed so you can get the 6* gem. Grow up.
We dont ask to discount. We ask to change the way of getting generic without changing the amount of gems needed in total. If you got good rng or are psycho hoarder (dont try to justify hoarding having 100000 ags saved up. You would never need that much. 2-3 generics and couple of each class? Tottaly logical. As did most of us) But we wrote a big post and kabam MIGHT help us. So fighting for something even with a small chance success is not childish. So grow up yourself man and get out of here (i cant force you sure) cause only thing you are showing here is that your a jelous ss who doesnt want others to get the stuff he got FOR THE SAME PRICE. Definition of selfishness.
This post makes very little sense. If you can't even make a coherent argument then you don't have one.
Even on the same topic i sometimes make good and bad argument. I am not an expert at english or debate. Also i am emotional. I made VERY GOOD arguments myself and bad ones as well through 18 pages. It depends how i feel and how my thoughts are organized. If you want arguments SCROLL if you want to call people sensless. Well thank you for your opinion and f you ok? Anything else you want from us? Any more insults to our capacity to make sense? If not gtfo of here. Or stay and be insulted more.
This post is really weird though... The people who weren't able to get the 6* AG accuse the people who got the 6* AG of being selfish. I think the sense of entitlement of getting the 6* AG by bending the rules is a lot more selfish...
MCOC Content Creator KT1 did some maths in breaking down the potential for failure on the 6* awakening gem trade in situation along with a general evaluation of the overall trades in case you want some advice on what's worth it and what isn't:
You know the old saying that hindsight is always 20/20! I'm sure if Kabam could go back and do things differently they probably would. In my opinion and I'm somebody who didn't get the 6* AG after trading for the 5-5* gem crystals I ended up with 4 Generics and 2 in four different classes. And yes I'm angry but I'm not going to fight with people over it because it's a waste of time and there is nothing any of us can do about it. But I feel Kabam should have made the 5-5* Crystals the Nexus AG crystals that way even though it would never be a "Guarantee" you would get what you needed your odds to pull what you needed would have been much better. And I also think the 6* REROLL crystals should have been a 6* AG Nexus so that way it would be guaranteed that you would not end up with the same class again. But only the 6* Rerolls the 6* Crystal from the 5-5* Generic should of stayed a regular AG crystal. I feel if they would have done that even though there would have still been posts by a few people who didn't get what they wanted or needed because let's face it there will always be those posts no matter what! The majority of these posts and arguments on here would not exist!!!
Thank you Kabam for even providing the trade in store. Although not everyone can get lucky this time around, please consider bringing back something similar in the future.
It's understandable why there's a limited number of chances for a 6* AG reroll. (The store wasn't intended to allow unlimited limit, which would give way to 100% of players with 6* AG to turn it to whatever class they'd like).
This thread has been pointing out how the pricing of 5 5* generic AGs for 1 6* AG crystal, probably is too pricy for most players, especially with the limit on trading 4* generic AGs for 5* AG crystal.
It's pricy to the point that there are players who are sitting on 15+ 5* AG who are 1 5* generic AG away from trading for a 6* AG crystal.
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People are acting like children who want their cake and eat it too. If you chose to use your gems on worthless champs so your arena teams got a few more points or so you could test a sig ability then you ate your cake. Enjoy it. Now that you see a better offer you're pissy that you don't have your cake anymore. Sorry, but that's life. You can get the benefits from using the gems AND get the rules changed so you can get the 6* gem. Grow up.
But we wrote a big post and kabam MIGHT help us. So fighting for something even with a small chance success is not childish. So grow up yourself man and get out of here (i cant force you sure) cause only thing you are showing here is that your a jelous ss who doesnt want others to get the stuff he got FOR THE SAME PRICE. Definition of selfishness.
Or is it not possible for you to disagree with someone without insults as the backbone of your argument?
AGs so far were meant as tools to unlock potential. Remove RNG.
The new trade in store has made arbitrary goalposts of hoarding awakening gems to be able to get a 6* AG. I totally understand why one side is furious at being denied. It is a new, unseen, arbit requirement for the rarest resource in game. We were all blindsided.
The scary thing is, it is so arbitrary, you can imagine what the next random goalpost will be. Will it be something like how many (2016 only) r3-r4 gems you have sitting it your inventory? You cannot make goalposts on consumables, it isnt healthy.
Not every endgame player opened 50+, 100+, 200+ GGCs in 2020, and were able pull a 5* AG from it.
This tradein deal heavily favors those who spent heavily, had good RNG to pull extra 5* AGs, as well as players who made many alt accounts to gift themselves GGCs last year.
The unfortunate thing is Kabam didn't permanently ban the people who exploited mass gifting/bot units in 2019/2020. They gave negative units/gave temporary bans to the ones they caught/deemed excessive, but let them keep their "hard earned" rankrewards+December items rewards.
Hopefully 2021 will prove to be different.
And why are you hating people to get their Ag it will not affect you in any mean so why all this hateress ?? Unless you didn’t get any use for your AG since you roster is very bad and you don’t want people to awaken their herc/ghost/dr doom..
This is a great viewpoint. It’s not just about certain folks complaining because they didn’t get what others could. It’s about what we perceive the intent of this trade-in store to be vs what the end result was. And if the intent was for a celebratory event to show appreciation to the most loyal players for sticking around these last 7 years by essentially gifting them a super rare item, well then the end result is starkly different. And the precedent it sets is concerning.
When I end up on the TV show Hoarders, remember me.
That should give the idea that this event won't be changed. And i think its fair it doesnt.
Everyone talks about RNG...well look at it this way..
The people who were able to trade 3 class AG had them cause RNG was terrible for them previously...and now because some can't get a 3rd its terrible RNG
I remember when 5* AGs were a hot item.. and pulling 4 sciences in a row...it sucked...always getting the ones u didnt want..well that bad RNG finally paid off, and now some are complaining about bad RNG cause u cant pull a 3rd out of 5... Yes it sucks but it seems like some people play victim of bad RNG when RNG is for everything and everyone.
Kabam has set the rules...
5 Gen AG = 6* Class AG
3 same Class AG = 1 5* Gen AG
People are asking to bend the rules?
3 Different Class AG = 1 5* AG?!...
It should be 5 Different class AG = 1 5* generic
Why should people get the benefit from changing rules when others were able to get rewarded following the rules?
The people who weren't able to get the 6* AG accuse the people who got the 6* AG of being selfish.
I think the sense of entitlement of getting the 6* AG by bending the rules is a lot more selfish...
Even if its a “We apologize, but we wont be making any changes” post im fine with it(in a way😅)
It's understandable why there's a limited number of chances for a 6* AG reroll. (The store wasn't intended to allow unlimited limit, which would give way to 100% of players with 6* AG to turn it to whatever class they'd like).
This thread has been pointing out how the pricing of 5 5* generic AGs for 1 6* AG crystal, probably is too pricy for most players, especially with the limit on trading 4* generic AGs for 5* AG crystal.
It's pricy to the point that there are players who are sitting on 15+ 5* AG who are 1 5* generic AG away from trading for a 6* AG crystal.