Claiming to be a Marvel fan and having only ever seen the movies/shows is about as ridiculous as saying Tolkien is your favorite author but only having ever seen the LotR/Hobbit movies.
False equivalency ✅ Gatekeeping ✅ Laughable tone of superiority because you read some comic books ✅
Anyone but Agatha please, the fact she got more votes than kushala just shows how many players actually don't know anything about the comics or anything beyond what they see on TV 😔
I mean is that a problem? Agatha was amazing in the tv series and she is a fan favorite character now. If more people voted for her over Kushala, it just means that the majority wanted her over Kushala and it would be better for the playerbase if she entered the contest.
It’s a problem because some people like gate keeping acceptable reasons for voting champions. Apparently, liking the MCU isn’t a good enough reason to vote a character according to some superior comic book fans.
It’s a contest between netflix and fubo. We all know who’s picking what, and it’s fully catered towards those who like netflix more anyway, so why make a vote between the 2? Agathas too basic for me but if all these champs had their MCU version and she still won, cool. Atleast they all had their shot. But it’s whatever, rocket raccoon woulda beaten the female ghost rider too if he weren’t in the game, and he’s a damn raccoon, but the MCU visualizes him better than what the text can, making for more people to vote him.
You're acting like Comic book voters are more important than MCU voters. Like they're superior. As though a vote because you like them in comic books is a good reason, but MCU is a bad reason. You said "People voted by what they seen on a screen, robbing Kushala and crystal like that". No, they're not robbing anyone, they voted the champion they wanted in MCOC and you complaining about that because you're a comic book fan makes you seem you're gate-keeping, and acting holier than thou.
This is the last time I'll say it, because I don't think this pretty toxic attitude is going to change, but don't judge people's reasons for voting as worse than yours simply because it's not because of the comic books. Not everyone reads them, and this game represents marvel fans, not just comic fans. If they want Quicksilver because he's a speedster and that seems like a cool power, you have zero, nada, and no right to tell them that's not an ok reason to vote. If they want Agatha because they love Wandavision, telling them that's not an ok reason to vote is absolutely ridiculous, and really quite rude. I respect your reason for voting based on comic books, and I'm glad you love them so much - marvel is what brings us all together, don't act high and mighty because you read comic books.
This vote is a positive thing for MCOC, don't try and change that
Sorry but, i find this quite redundant. I’ve played a while and i constantly see you in the heat of things for some reason. It’s not necessary my friend, chillax! Nobody said nothing about superiority, why dramatize something so small. Feel bad vibes from this post personally, but I understand what you’re saying. Presentation could be better. While i do wish quicksilver were to join the contest for his super speed since it seems really cool, i can see where @ChaosMax1012 is coming from. Popularity is a huge factor in all this, especially since it’s a vote. Nobody here is wrong or right but rather than proving a point, try being open minded. Quicksilver FTW! Beta ray is still really cool though so it’s a win win. Don’t see what all the fuss is about.
@ChaosMax1012 has consistently talked about other voter's reasons for voting champs not being good reasons to vote for. I don't think that's right and will call it out if it happens. If you see that as myself getting "into the heat of things for some reason" then that's your right, but the forums is to discuss, and discuss I will.
Who do you think sounds more open minded? The person who says about Agatha: "Do not let this garbage steal the vote just because folks saw her on tv once and went her by default", or the person who thinks anyone should vote who they like because of their love of Marvel? I know which one I think it is. I didn't even vote Agatha, and would much prefer Zemo, but if someone votes Agatha because of Wandavision then that's their right, ChaosMax doesn't seem to think that's an ok reason to vote for "this garbage".
While I don't think you're "wrong", I also don't think anyone can claim to love Marvel while only ever having taken in that IP through the MCU.
There are very few things that really get under my skin, Gate Keeping is on the summit of that list. Be better than that, stop.
So you're gatekeeping my opinion of disliking people that are only MCU fans and moaning about gatekeeping? Neat
Gatekeeping isn't an Opinion, it's a Sad and Entitled Act. You didn't say you disliked people who only watched the MCU, you said and I quote "I don't think anyone can claim to love Marvel while only ever having taken in that IP through the MCU." that's Gatekeeping not a simple opinion so I'm not "gatekeeping your opinion".
Anyone but Agatha please, the fact she got more votes than kushala just shows how many players actually don't know anything about the comics or anything beyond what they see on TV 😔
I mean is that a problem? Agatha was amazing in the tv series and she is a fan favorite character now. If more people voted for her over Kushala, it just means that the majority wanted her over Kushala and it would be better for the playerbase if she entered the contest.
It’s a problem because some people like gate keeping acceptable reasons for voting champions. Apparently, liking the MCU isn’t a good enough reason to vote a character according to some superior comic book fans.
It’s a contest between netflix and fubo. We all know who’s picking what, and it’s fully catered towards those who like netflix more anyway, so why make a vote between the 2? Agathas too basic for me but if all these champs had their MCU version and she still won, cool. Atleast they all had their shot. But it’s whatever, rocket raccoon woulda beaten the female ghost rider too if he weren’t in the game, and he’s a damn raccoon, but the MCU visualizes him better than what the text can, making for more people to vote him.
You're acting like Comic book voters are more important than MCU voters. Like they're superior. As though a vote because you like them in comic books is a good reason, but MCU is a bad reason. You said "People voted by what they seen on a screen, robbing Kushala and crystal like that". No, they're not robbing anyone, they voted the champion they wanted in MCOC and you complaining about that because you're a comic book fan makes you seem you're gate-keeping, and acting holier than thou.
This is the last time I'll say it, because I don't think this pretty toxic attitude is going to change, but don't judge people's reasons for voting as worse than yours simply because it's not because of the comic books. Not everyone reads them, and this game represents marvel fans, not just comic fans. If they want Quicksilver because he's a speedster and that seems like a cool power, you have zero, nada, and no right to tell them that's not an ok reason to vote. If they want Agatha because they love Wandavision, telling them that's not an ok reason to vote is absolutely ridiculous, and really quite rude. I respect your reason for voting based on comic books, and I'm glad you love them so much - marvel is what brings us all together, don't act high and mighty because you read comic books.
This vote is a positive thing for MCOC, don't try and change that
Sorry but, i find this quite redundant. I’ve played a while and i constantly see you in the heat of things for some reason. It’s not necessary my friend, chillax! Nobody said nothing about superiority, why dramatize something so small. Feel bad vibes from this post personally, but I understand what you’re saying. Presentation could be better. While i do wish quicksilver were to join the contest for his super speed since it seems really cool, i can see where @ChaosMax1012 is coming from. Popularity is a huge factor in all this, especially since it’s a vote. Nobody here is wrong or right but rather than proving a point, try being open minded. Quicksilver FTW! Beta ray is still really cool though so it’s a win win. Don’t see what all the fuss is about.
@ChaosMax1012 has consistently talked about other voter's reasons for voting champs not being good reasons to vote for. I don't think that's right and will call it out if it happens. If you see that as myself getting "into the heat of things for some reason" then that's your right, but the forums is to discuss, and discuss I will.
Who do you think sounds more open minded? The person who says about Agatha: "Do not let this garbage steal the vote just because folks saw her on tv once and went her by default", or the person who thinks anyone should vote who they like because of their love of Marvel? I know which one I think it is. I didn't even vote Agatha, and would much prefer Zemo, but if someone votes Agatha because of Wandavision then that's their right, ChaosMax doesn't seem to think that's an ok reason to vote for "this garbage".
While I don't think you're "wrong", I also don't think anyone can claim to love Marvel while only ever having taken in that IP through the MCU.
Oops, guess I don’t love marvel then. Thanks for letting me know what I can and can’t claim to love.
Watched each film multiple times over the last 10 years or so, haven’t missed any from the cinema until Black widow due to Covid and watched each of the shows. But yeah, guess I don’t love it because I don’t read comic books.
You don't love Marvel, you love the MCU. Massive difference. You do you but that doesn't mean that people that read comics for decades before the MCU existed don't get to have an opinion about you guys.
The MCU is a part of Marvel, you're lying to yourself if you say otherwise, now today more than ever as it directly affects how storylines are written in the Comics to keep them consistent. (That's like saying Stan Lee didn't care about the Comics because he appeared as Cameos in the MCU and enjoyed watching the movies 😂)
Gatekeeping is the most Toxic Behavior a Fan can commit, judging how people consume the media as if you're entitled to some higher standard just because you've consumed said media in more ways is a Poor Show of Character, Entitled, Toxic, and Sad.
Agatha is a pretty interesting character and a BIG key to a great series of storylines in the comics. The MCU version was...meh, I really don't understand why people loved her so much, she had shown no depth at all as a character.
As for the "debate", there's MCU fans, and Marvel comic fans, and there s people who like both. The readers should be happy that the movies are successful, since they potentially bring them in the original medium, (where the stories are far better of course).
Claiming to be a Marvel fan and having only ever seen the movies/shows is about as ridiculous as saying Tolkien is your favorite author but only having ever seen the LotR/Hobbit movies.
As someone who reads marvel comics, you can’t call yourself a marvel fan unless you also fill out the coloring books. It’s just the way it is 🤷♂️
Anyone but Agatha please, the fact she got more votes than kushala just shows how many players actually don't know anything about the comics or anything beyond what they see on TV 😔
I mean is that a problem? Agatha was amazing in the tv series and she is a fan favorite character now. If more people voted for her over Kushala, it just means that the majority wanted her over Kushala and it would be better for the playerbase if she entered the contest.
It’s a problem because some people like gate keeping acceptable reasons for voting champions. Apparently, liking the MCU isn’t a good enough reason to vote a character according to some superior comic book fans.
It’s a contest between netflix and fubo. We all know who’s picking what, and it’s fully catered towards those who like netflix more anyway, so why make a vote between the 2? Agathas too basic for me but if all these champs had their MCU version and she still won, cool. Atleast they all had their shot. But it’s whatever, rocket raccoon woulda beaten the female ghost rider too if he weren’t in the game, and he’s a damn raccoon, but the MCU visualizes him better than what the text can, making for more people to vote him.
You're acting like Comic book voters are more important than MCU voters. Like they're superior. As though a vote because you like them in comic books is a good reason, but MCU is a bad reason. You said "People voted by what they seen on a screen, robbing Kushala and crystal like that". No, they're not robbing anyone, they voted the champion they wanted in MCOC and you complaining about that because you're a comic book fan makes you seem you're gate-keeping, and acting holier than thou.
This is the last time I'll say it, because I don't think this pretty toxic attitude is going to change, but don't judge people's reasons for voting as worse than yours simply because it's not because of the comic books. Not everyone reads them, and this game represents marvel fans, not just comic fans. If they want Quicksilver because he's a speedster and that seems like a cool power, you have zero, nada, and no right to tell them that's not an ok reason to vote. If they want Agatha because they love Wandavision, telling them that's not an ok reason to vote is absolutely ridiculous, and really quite rude. I respect your reason for voting based on comic books, and I'm glad you love them so much - marvel is what brings us all together, don't act high and mighty because you read comic books.
This vote is a positive thing for MCOC, don't try and change that
Sorry but, i find this quite redundant. I’ve played a while and i constantly see you in the heat of things for some reason. It’s not necessary my friend, chillax! Nobody said nothing about superiority, why dramatize something so small. Feel bad vibes from this post personally, but I understand what you’re saying. Presentation could be better. While i do wish quicksilver were to join the contest for his super speed since it seems really cool, i can see where @ChaosMax1012 is coming from. Popularity is a huge factor in all this, especially since it’s a vote. Nobody here is wrong or right but rather than proving a point, try being open minded. Quicksilver FTW! Beta ray is still really cool though so it’s a win win. Don’t see what all the fuss is about.
@ChaosMax1012 has consistently talked about other voter's reasons for voting champs not being good reasons to vote for. I don't think that's right and will call it out if it happens. If you see that as myself getting "into the heat of things for some reason" then that's your right, but the forums is to discuss, and discuss I will.
Who do you think sounds more open minded? The person who says about Agatha: "Do not let this garbage steal the vote just because folks saw her on tv once and went her by default", or the person who thinks anyone should vote who they like because of their love of Marvel? I know which one I think it is. I didn't even vote Agatha, and would much prefer Zemo, but if someone votes Agatha because of Wandavision then that's their right, ChaosMax doesn't seem to think that's an ok reason to vote for "this garbage".
While I don't think you're "wrong", I also don't think anyone can claim to love Marvel while only ever having taken in that IP through the MCU.
Oops, guess I don’t love marvel then. Thanks for letting me know what I can and can’t claim to love.
Watched each film multiple times over the last 10 years or so, haven’t missed any from the cinema until Black widow due to Covid and watched each of the shows. But yeah, guess I don’t love it because I don’t read comic books.
You don't love Marvel, you love the MCU. Massive difference. You do you but that doesn't mean that people that read comics for decades before the MCU existed don't get to have an opinion about you guys.
I think that’s a sticky position to take, because it is fundamentally no different than saying someone who only read the Ultimates line doesn’t really love Marvel they just love the Ultimates line, or someone who only read X-Men comics doesn’t really love Marvel they just love the X-Men. Taken to its logical conclusion, there are probably only a few hundred people on Earth that have enough of a resume to be True Scotsmen.
Marvel has tried many times to create a larger umbrella of fans of its IP. The Ultimates line tried to basically start from an almost clean slate with no connection to the rest of the Marvel IP. The New Universe tried to do that before the Ultimates. The MCU, and for that matter the licensed property movies before it, was not just attempts to make money (or in the case of the licensing deals, make enough money to prevent bankruptcy) but also to expand the IP and the fandom for that IP. The MCU fans are no more second class citizens to Marvel than the fans of the Ultimates line were, or the players of Marvel Contest of Champions are.
Even though Marvel doesn’t care, I get the parochialism that different fans have. I’ve lived in my local comics shop long enough to know there’s always going to be the Marvel vs DC thing, the people who bought Wolverine 1-4 before he was popular vs everyone else, and the pre-MCU comic geeks vs the MCU fans. Personally, I’m all for it, up to a point. If you aren’t arguing about *something* about comic books, I feel you’re just missing the point. But I think we need to remember that “them” are the worthy opposition, not the unworthy adversaries. The MCU audience are the whales of the Marvel universe; they’ve ensured the survival of the IP for the next fifty years.
Yeah, they don’t know everything that those of us who’ve been reading the material for decades do, but in many ways holding that against them is increasingly like holding it against a thirty year comic book reader that they don’t know who Thunderbird is. They love what they love because of what they’ve seen, and none of us has seen more than a fraction of everything that is Marvel.
Marvel wants a big tent. We old grizzled curmudgeons should not be an impediment to that. If we love Marvel and we want to make sure it never again has to survive through bake sales and prayer, we need to accept the new guys and their quaint cinematic notions as equals. I mean, they’re wrong, the lot of them, but still, equals.
The whole thing is that us lifelong comic fans know all these characters very well, sole MCU fans don't know or understand these characters very well, half of the roster hasn't even been in the MCU yet so you've no actual understanding of who they are and what they can bring to the game, also MCU has warped many characters, backstories and storylines to fit in with the movies they release, these aren't the original versions of them.
MCU baron isn't a patch on the original, damn BRB isn't even in a movie yet so whys so many MCU fans even contemplating voting for him? It's bizarre and yeah in a sense comic fans do have a far more depth of knowledge on marvel than the MCU crew, I've been reading them since i was 6, 32 years ago, how many only know marvel through this game alone?
The whole thing is that us lifelong comic fans know all these characters very well, sole MCU fans don't know or understand these characters very well, half of the roster hasn't even been in the MCU yet so you've no actual understanding of who they are and what they can bring to the game, also MCU has warped many characters, backstories and storylines to fit in with the movies they release, these aren't the original versions of them.
MCU baron isn't a patch on the original, damn BRB isn't even in a movie yet so whys so many MCU fans even contemplating voting for him? It's bizarre and yeah in a sense comic fans do have a far more depth of knowledge on marvel than the MCU crew, I've been reading them since i was 6, 32 years ago, how many only know marvel through this game alone?
Nah comic fans don't have any superior knowledge or anything to what they bring to the game and how it will affect the game. That knowledge lies with experienced players.
The fact of the matter is that comic book knowledge and comic readers have nothing to do with this. It's a vote for who the playerbase wants. If the majority choose Quicksilver, then it's the majority of the playerbase and Kabam who benefit by introducing them. The same thing applies if BRB is chosen by the majority or any of the candidates for that matter.
And even though most people here probably aren't comic book readers or that into comics, it's not like people are illiterate in terms of marvel comics lore. Knull was one of the more hyped up champions last year and he's not been anywhere near the big screen yet.
All this mental safeguarding and sense of superiority of comic book readers is just stupid and annoying. If you truly want a champion introduced, why don't you try and actually campaign for them. Introduce people to their comics, introduce them to their lore, actually get them into comics and show them what a wonderful world it is instead of acting like comic readers have some sort of superiority and bringing down other peoples reasons for voting a champion.
Why do people prefer quicksilver , a guy whose main power is to run fast, vs one that has the same power as Thor and has stormbreaker?
You've answered your own question mate, Bill will just be another champ similar to thor, which we already have a few of, he wont bringing anything new to the game... quicksilver brings something new to the contest
The whole thing is that us lifelong comic fans know all these characters very well, sole MCU fans don't know or understand these characters very well, half of the roster hasn't even been in the MCU yet so you've no actual understanding of who they are and what they can bring to the game, also MCU has warped many characters, backstories and storylines to fit in with the movies they release, these aren't the original versions of them.
MCU baron isn't a patch on the original, damn BRB isn't even in a movie yet so whys so many MCU fans even contemplating voting for him? It's bizarre and yeah in a sense comic fans do have a far more depth of knowledge on marvel than the MCU crew, I've been reading them since i was 6, 32 years ago, how many only know marvel through this game alone?
All this mental safeguarding and sense of superiority of comic book readers is just stupid and annoying. If you truly want a champion introduced, why don't you try and actually campaign for them. Introduce people to their comics, introduce them to their lore, actually get them into comics and show them what a wonderful world it is instead of acting like comic readers have some sort of superiority and bringing down other peoples reasons for voting a champion.
I wish I could give more than one agree to your comment
Focussing on this part, yes, absolutely agreed. If someone thinks Agatha is kinda neat because of Wandavision, but is also open to other ideas, what do these elitist comic book fans think is more likely to sway their opinion? Explaining Zemo's comic book backstory, why he's a cool character, his strengths, interesting story lines etc etc, or calling Agatha trash, saying that their opinion isn't valid, and they aren't a real fan because they didn't read comic books.
Stan Lee knew that Marvel was about what it meant to the fans, whether comics or movies or tv shows. He never held any superiority over a certain type of fan, maybe some could take notice.
The whole thing is that us lifelong comic fans know all these characters very well, sole MCU fans don't know or understand these characters very well, half of the roster hasn't even been in the MCU yet so you've no actual understanding of who they are and what they can bring to the game, also MCU has warped many characters, backstories and storylines to fit in with the movies they release, these aren't the original versions of them.
MCU baron isn't a patch on the original, damn BRB isn't even in a movie yet so whys so many MCU fans even contemplating voting for him? It's bizarre and yeah in a sense comic fans do have a far more depth of knowledge on marvel than the MCU crew, I've been reading them since i was 6, 32 years ago, how many only know marvel through this game alone?
Nah comic fans don't have any superior knowledge or anything to what they bring to the game and how it will affect the game. That knowledge lies with experienced players.
The fact of the matter is that comic book knowledge and comic readers have nothing to do with this. It's a vote for who the playerbase wants. If the majority choose Quicksilver, then it's the majority of the playerbase and Kabam who benefit by introducing them. The same thing applies if BRB is chosen by the majority or any of the candidates for that matter.
And even though most people here probably aren't comic book readers or that into comics, it's not like people are illiterate in terms of marvel comics lore. Knull was one of the more hyped up champions last year and he's not been anywhere near the big screen yet.
All this mental safeguarding and sense of superiority of comic book readers is just stupid and annoying. If you truly want a champion introduced, why don't you try and actually campaign for them. Introduce people to their comics, introduce them to their lore, actually get them into comics and show them what a wonderful world it is instead of acting like comic readers have some sort of superiority and bringing down other peoples reasons for voting a champion.
Experienced players know more about a champ coming into the game than someone who has a lot of knowledge of the champ from reading decades worth of comics with said champ in them? What kinda nonsense is that 🤣
Your mention of Knull is just backing up the fact that a helluva lot of the roster in this game hasn't seen the big screen or even the small screen for that matter, its also how mistakes made with these champions designs like powers and immunities that are picked up by the comic reading players, the campaign for sentry to be buffed is mostly by the readers who know who sentry is and what he should offer to the game.
Also this 'safeguarding' nonsense, give it up, it's a fact that readers have a far superior knowledge of these characters, if you don't read then how would you even know they existed in the first place? So superiority in knowledge and understanding is obvious!
If it was an exam right now, who's going to pass it? The ones who've 'studied' or the ones who wing it?
That's where the superiority of lifelong fans comes in, the same applies to everything, TV, movies, music.
Go tell a lifelong Pink Floyd fan they ain't superior in knowledge because you know the words to the wall.
All this comics vs MCU is ridiculous. At the end of the day, we are all nerds that play this game. I've seen all the mcu movies and most of the shows and I've read some comics now and back in the day. There are champs who I had no idea who they were until alliance mates explained them to me or if I thought they were cool, I'd look them up. That's what is awesome about this game is that it can bring all types of marvel fans together and help introduce them to new concepts and characters.
The whole thing is that us lifelong comic fans know all these characters very well, sole MCU fans don't know or understand these characters very well, half of the roster hasn't even been in the MCU yet so you've no actual understanding of who they are and what they can bring to the game, also MCU has warped many characters, backstories and storylines to fit in with the movies they release, these aren't the original versions of them.
MCU baron isn't a patch on the original, damn BRB isn't even in a movie yet so whys so many MCU fans even contemplating voting for him? It's bizarre and yeah in a sense comic fans do have a far more depth of knowledge on marvel than the MCU crew, I've been reading them since i was 6, 32 years ago, how many only know marvel through this game alone?
Nah comic fans don't have any superior knowledge or anything to what they bring to the game and how it will affect the game. That knowledge lies with experienced players.
The fact of the matter is that comic book knowledge and comic readers have nothing to do with this. It's a vote for who the playerbase wants. If the majority choose Quicksilver, then it's the majority of the playerbase and Kabam who benefit by introducing them. The same thing applies if BRB is chosen by the majority or any of the candidates for that matter.
And even though most people here probably aren't comic book readers or that into comics, it's not like people are illiterate in terms of marvel comics lore. Knull was one of the more hyped up champions last year and he's not been anywhere near the big screen yet.
All this mental safeguarding and sense of superiority of comic book readers is just stupid and annoying. If you truly want a champion introduced, why don't you try and actually campaign for them. Introduce people to their comics, introduce them to their lore, actually get them into comics and show them what a wonderful world it is instead of acting like comic readers have some sort of superiority and bringing down other peoples reasons for voting a champion.
Nobody is claiming to be superior to anyone, but people are able and have the capability to be more experienced than another player. Than another person for that matter. Point being nobody’s vote has more value than anyone else, but don’t just ignore what lifelong players dedicated to marvels craft have to say just because of the idea they are “superior” “elitists “deities” “menaces to society”. Their ideas have got to mean something by now. But yeah i get that, campaigning to open eyes as opening ears is definitely the most inefficient method. I understand the points y’all making, at the end kabam is gonna put the same effort to any champ brought in. Comic book readers that been marvel fans a while are probably like “oh damn, beta ray bill vs quicksilver? That’s an insult to my intelligence! Wait why are people voting for quicksilver, they can’t be serious”. Might be accurate, might not, but you get the idea despite the wording. I don’t think anyone here minds if quicksilver wins. But having beta lose sucks to those who know more about him.
All this comics vs MCU is ridiculous. At the end of the day, we are all nerds that play this game. I've seen all the mcu movies and most of the shows and I've read some comics now and back in the day. There are champs who I had no idea who they were until alliance mates explained them to me or if I thought they were cool, I'd look them up. That's what is awesome about this game is that it can bring all types of marvel fans together and help introduce them to new concepts and characters.
I'm hesitant because Kabam does not so great with cosmic champs in general.
I'm also hesitant about quicksilver because Kabam makes every science champ so dependent on their signature. It's a lose lose for me.
So i voted quick silver.
There are counterpoints to both of those arguments.
Cosmic has recently gotten Herc, Knull, CGR, and even to an extent Ikaris and Sersi.
Quake doesn’t need sig, neither do Anti-Venom or Overseer to be useable. Mr. Negative also works wonderfully without his sig.
Of course there are. Herc being a banger after how many years? CGR, is okay , but still cosmic champs you can't do too much ; just armor break maybe a couple buffs here and there , for the most part the class is underwhelming, and not very fun to play.
Anti venom, overseer , and mister negative all benefit significantly from their signature ability, and I think most would agree.
The whole thing is that us lifelong comic fans know all these characters very well, sole MCU fans don't know or understand these characters very well, half of the roster hasn't even been in the MCU yet so you've no actual understanding of who they are and what they can bring to the game, also MCU has warped many characters, backstories and storylines to fit in with the movies they release, these aren't the original versions of them.
MCU baron isn't a patch on the original, damn BRB isn't even in a movie yet so whys so many MCU fans even contemplating voting for him? It's bizarre and yeah in a sense comic fans do have a far more depth of knowledge on marvel than the MCU crew, I've been reading them since i was 6, 32 years ago, how many only know marvel through this game alone?
If you truly want a champion introduced, why don't you try and actually campaign for them. Introduce people to their comics, introduce them to their lore, actually get them into comics and show them what a wonderful world it is
Although there are more champs that people are very familiar with in this vote, Omega Sentinel isn’t exactly an A-lister but she got 2nd to Hercules because ppl campaigned and explained how cool she could be.
Obviously a bit late for that now since most votes have likely been cast, but a more effective way to get votes is to boost your champion and not necessarily disparage other champions.
Your mention of Knull is just backing up the fact that a helluva lot of the roster in this game hasn't seen the big screen or even the small screen for that matter, its also how mistakes made with these champions designs like powers and immunities that are picked up by the comic reading players, the campaign for sentry to be buffed is mostly by the readers who know who sentry is and what he should offer to the game.
Also this 'safeguarding' nonsense, give it up, it's a fact that readers have a far superior knowledge of these characters, if you don't read then how would you even know they existed in the first place? So superiority in knowledge and understanding is obvious!
If it was an exam right now, who's going to pass it? The ones who've 'studied' or the ones who wing it?
That's where the superiority of lifelong fans comes in, the same applies to everything, TV, movies, music.
Go tell a lifelong Pink Floyd fan they ain't superior in knowledge because you know the words to the wall.
Important to note: this is a video game, not a comic book. People's knowledge of the comic book material can be useful to understanding the inspiration for the MCOC champions, but they can also blind them to the fact that game imperatives override source material fidelity, and the final authority for what is "right" in the comic books is Marvel itself, who also decides what's ultimately "right" in this game as well. If Marvel decides that a champion "should be" a certain way in this game, that is no more "wrong" than when Marvel decides Spiderman is actually a clone, or the Beyonder is actually a cosmic cube, or there was more than one survivor from the previous universe.
None of these things was "right" until someone just made it up, even though it directly contradicts "the comics." The only reason they are "right" is because Marvel says so. Everything in this game is because Marvel says so. So when life-long comic book experts think something will happen in this game because of their prior knowledge of the comics, like Sentry should slap, and the only thing preventing that is Kabam could make a "mistake" they are failing to acknowledge that Sentry is how he is in this game because of a Marvel editorial approval, no different than if they made a Sentry exactly as strong as he is in this game in Earth-XYZKalamazoo-39.
Knowledge is always good, so I say, but the notion that the comic books fans are "closer to the truth" like the comic books are the Marvel Bible is false, and if their knowledge convinces them of this idea, they can be worse than someone who is a blank slate and knows nothing at all. Comic book fans might be knowledgeable about comic book storylines, but they aren't always knowledgeable about IP management, editorial mandates, licensing implementation, game design philosophy, and game operations management.
The thing I find most fascinating and amusing, to a point, about anyone who mentions Sentry in the context of comic book fidelity is that they appear to be overlooking the fact that Sentry is the ultimate, no-holds-barred, unashamedly ridiculous continuity shattering retcon in all of Marvel history (and self-awaredly so, at least originally). He's literally an example of someone deciding to ignore all of the Marvel continuity and backstory and say "yeah, but so what." The idea that he's an example of Kabam just making something up and ignoring the comics source material is a literal laugh out loud idea.
All these kids voting quicksilver. They’ve never even heard of BRB
Duh, mister common sense!!! Give this guy a prize for being right please! Why would anyone vote for someone they don't know? That's the whole point of the voting buddy. Vote in your favorite character. People are gonna vote for someone they know. Sigh...
Quicksilver is a knockoff DC Flash… what’s so good about him? He is “fast” wow… plus I highly doubt kabam can deliver the animations for him.
They said animations were a roadblock a few years ago. Now though? Look at Mr. Negative, Sersi and Ikaris' special attacks. Stryfe's specials, anti venom, knull. The animation game has changed a lot. On top of that, the game is at a point where a really powerful quicksilver won't break the game.
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Gatekeeping ✅
Laughable tone of superiority because you read some comic books ✅
I’ll keep saying I love Marvel, because I do.
You didn't say you disliked people who only watched the MCU, you said and I quote "I don't think anyone can claim to love Marvel while only ever having taken in that IP through the MCU." that's Gatekeeping not a simple opinion so I'm not "gatekeeping your opinion".
Gatekeeping is the most Toxic Behavior a Fan can commit, judging how people consume the media as if you're entitled to some higher standard just because you've consumed said media in more ways is a Poor Show of Character, Entitled, Toxic, and Sad.
As for the "debate", there's MCU fans, and Marvel comic fans, and there s people who like both. The readers should be happy that the movies are successful, since they potentially bring them in the original medium, (where the stories are far better of course).
I hope we get them all
I'm also hesitant about quicksilver because Kabam makes every science champ so dependent on their signature. It's a lose lose for me.
So i voted quick silver.
Cosmic has recently gotten Herc, Knull, CGR, and even to an extent Ikaris and Sersi.
Quake doesn’t need sig, neither do Anti-Venom or Overseer to be useable. Mr. Negative also works wonderfully without his sig.
Marvel has tried many times to create a larger umbrella of fans of its IP. The Ultimates line tried to basically start from an almost clean slate with no connection to the rest of the Marvel IP. The New Universe tried to do that before the Ultimates. The MCU, and for that matter the licensed property movies before it, was not just attempts to make money (or in the case of the licensing deals, make enough money to prevent bankruptcy) but also to expand the IP and the fandom for that IP. The MCU fans are no more second class citizens to Marvel than the fans of the Ultimates line were, or the players of Marvel Contest of Champions are.
Even though Marvel doesn’t care, I get the parochialism that different fans have. I’ve lived in my local comics shop long enough to know there’s always going to be the Marvel vs DC thing, the people who bought Wolverine 1-4 before he was popular vs everyone else, and the pre-MCU comic geeks vs the MCU fans. Personally, I’m all for it, up to a point. If you aren’t arguing about *something* about comic books, I feel you’re just missing the point. But I think we need to remember that “them” are the worthy opposition, not the unworthy adversaries. The MCU audience are the whales of the Marvel universe; they’ve ensured the survival of the IP for the next fifty years.
Yeah, they don’t know everything that those of us who’ve been reading the material for decades do, but in many ways holding that against them is increasingly like holding it against a thirty year comic book reader that they don’t know who Thunderbird is. They love what they love because of what they’ve seen, and none of us has seen more than a fraction of everything that is Marvel.
Marvel wants a big tent. We old grizzled curmudgeons should not be an impediment to that. If we love Marvel and we want to make sure it never again has to survive through bake sales and prayer, we need to accept the new guys and their quaint cinematic notions as equals. I mean, they’re wrong, the lot of them, but still, equals.
MCU baron isn't a patch on the original, damn BRB isn't even in a movie yet so whys so many MCU fans even contemplating voting for him? It's bizarre and yeah in a sense comic fans do have a far more depth of knowledge on marvel than the MCU crew, I've been reading them since i was 6, 32 years ago, how many only know marvel through this game alone?
The fact of the matter is that comic book knowledge and comic readers have nothing to do with this. It's a vote for who the playerbase wants. If the majority choose Quicksilver, then it's the majority of the playerbase and Kabam who benefit by introducing them. The same thing applies if BRB is chosen by the majority or any of the candidates for that matter.
And even though most people here probably aren't comic book readers or that into comics, it's not like people are illiterate in terms of marvel comics lore. Knull was one of the more hyped up champions last year and he's not been anywhere near the big screen yet.
All this mental safeguarding and sense of superiority of comic book readers is just stupid and annoying. If you truly want a champion introduced, why don't you try and actually campaign for them. Introduce people to their comics, introduce them to their lore, actually get them into comics and show them what a wonderful world it is instead of acting like comic readers have some sort of superiority and bringing down other peoples reasons for voting a champion.
Focussing on this part, yes, absolutely agreed. If someone thinks Agatha is kinda neat because of Wandavision, but is also open to other ideas, what do these elitist comic book fans think is more likely to sway their opinion? Explaining Zemo's comic book backstory, why he's a cool character, his strengths, interesting story lines etc etc, or calling Agatha trash, saying that their opinion isn't valid, and they aren't a real fan because they didn't read comic books.
Stan Lee knew that Marvel was about what it meant to the fans, whether comics or movies or tv shows. He never held any superiority over a certain type of fan, maybe some could take notice.
Your mention of Knull is just backing up the fact that a helluva lot of the roster in this game hasn't seen the big screen or even the small screen for that matter, its also how mistakes made with these champions designs like powers and immunities that are picked up by the comic reading players, the campaign for sentry to be buffed is mostly by the readers who know who sentry is and what he should offer to the game.
Also this 'safeguarding' nonsense, give it up, it's a fact that readers have a far superior knowledge of these characters, if you don't read then how would you even know they existed in the first place? So superiority in knowledge and understanding is obvious!
If it was an exam right now, who's going to pass it? The ones who've 'studied' or the ones who wing it?
That's where the superiority of lifelong fans comes in, the same applies to everything, TV, movies, music.
Go tell a lifelong Pink Floyd fan they ain't superior in knowledge because you know the words to the wall.
Sentry buff confirmed if you vote beta
Anti venom, overseer , and mister negative all benefit significantly from their signature ability, and I think most would agree.
Obviously a bit late for that now since most votes have likely been cast, but a more effective way to get votes is to boost your champion and not necessarily disparage other champions.
None of these things was "right" until someone just made it up, even though it directly contradicts "the comics." The only reason they are "right" is because Marvel says so. Everything in this game is because Marvel says so. So when life-long comic book experts think something will happen in this game because of their prior knowledge of the comics, like Sentry should slap, and the only thing preventing that is Kabam could make a "mistake" they are failing to acknowledge that Sentry is how he is in this game because of a Marvel editorial approval, no different than if they made a Sentry exactly as strong as he is in this game in Earth-XYZKalamazoo-39.
Knowledge is always good, so I say, but the notion that the comic books fans are "closer to the truth" like the comic books are the Marvel Bible is false, and if their knowledge convinces them of this idea, they can be worse than someone who is a blank slate and knows nothing at all. Comic book fans might be knowledgeable about comic book storylines, but they aren't always knowledgeable about IP management, editorial mandates, licensing implementation, game design philosophy, and game operations management.
The thing I find most fascinating and amusing, to a point, about anyone who mentions Sentry in the context of comic book fidelity is that they appear to be overlooking the fact that Sentry is the ultimate, no-holds-barred, unashamedly ridiculous continuity shattering retcon in all of Marvel history (and self-awaredly so, at least originally). He's literally an example of someone deciding to ignore all of the Marvel continuity and backstory and say "yeah, but so what." The idea that he's an example of Kabam just making something up and ignoring the comics source material is a literal laugh out loud idea.
Why would anyone vote for someone they don't know? That's the whole point of the voting buddy. Vote in your favorite character. People are gonna vote for someone they know. Sigh...