guys there was another thread lately about this same issue and kabam zibit replied that stand your ground can trigger on a second or even third hit of the heavy, even in the case in which the first or second hit did connect. Basically it's never safe to heavy into a block because syg can trigger on every single hit, regardless of whether it connected at first. This makes it so the chance of the defender resisting increases for each hit of your heavy... I doubt this is working as intended but this is what kabam decided
Even if this is an old issue, this is very significant, esp. with the current meta and recent shifts of the game. E.g., there have been more champion designs that encourage us to use heavies. Shulk is obv the one here, but same with Tigra, Karnak, Herc, apoc, etc. Not to mention, a lot of new champions have multi hit heavies.
All this to say that this needs immediate attention, esp. with a new war season beginning today.
So here’s what I’ve discovered so far… Doesn’t seem like you can resist + parry stun the 2nd hit of any of these heavies if the 1st hit connects, only if you resist the 1st hit does that seem possible. EXCEPT She-Hulk and DDHK so far in my testing. With these 2 champs you can get hit with their 1st heavy hit BUT can resist + parry stun the 2nd hit. Sure they have slower heavies but so do the rest of these champs, and I’d argue that most of these are even slower than She-Hulk and DDHK’s heavy attack. RagThor, Apoc both appear to have obviously slower heavies, yet I cannot seem to create the “hit confirm on 1st hit, parry stun 2nd hit” scenario.
Kabam let’s discuss. This is working as intended? I cannot believe it is.
Apoc has one of the slowest 2-hit heavies in the game yet I cannot seem to create the aforementioned scenario. It took me 2 minutes to create this multiple times with She-Hulk and her heavy is faster than Apoc’s.
So here’s what I’ve discovered so far… Doesn’t seem like you can resist + parry stun the 2nd hit of any of these heavies if the 1st hit connects, only if you resist the 1st hit does that seem possible. EXCEPT She-Hulk and DDHK so far in my testing. With these 2 champs you can get hit with their 1st heavy hit BUT can resist + parry stun the 2nd hit. Sure they have slower heavies but so do the rest of these champs, and I’d argue that most of these are even slower than She-Hulk and DDHK’s heavy attack. RagThor, Apoc both appear to have obviously slower heavies, yet I cannot seem to create the “hit confirm on 1st hit, parry stun 2nd hit” scenario.
Kabam let’s discuss. This is working as intended? I cannot believe it is.
While we're at it, get this man a QA position at Kabam
So here’s what I’ve discovered so far… Doesn’t seem like you can resist + parry stun the 2nd hit of any of these heavies if the 1st hit connects, only if you resist the 1st hit does that seem possible. EXCEPT She-Hulk and DDHK so far in my testing. With these 2 champs you can get hit with their 1st heavy hit BUT can resist + parry stun the 2nd hit. Sure they have slower heavies but so do the rest of these champs, and I’d argue that most of these are even slower than She-Hulk and DDHK’s heavy attack. RagThor, Apoc both appear to have obviously slower heavies, yet I cannot seem to create the “hit confirm on 1st hit, parry stun 2nd hit” scenario.
Kabam let’s discuss. This is working as intended? I cannot believe it is.
While we're at it, get this man a QA position at Kabam
@MarcusUnread great work here. I'm really happy you took the time to explain this and back it up with videos.
There is no way Kabam could convince me that this is "working as intended". If a heavy can be blocked after a successful hit, then the same goes for a full 5-hit combo or a special attack, as explained just below.
Pure Comparative Examples (a successful Heavy strike should be comparable to these): Can we block midway through being hit by a combo? No. Can we block midway through a special attack that already hit us? No.
That's the same thing with a heavy attack. If one of them connects, it is completely irresponsible to say that this is working as intended. Pure logic alone would say otherwise.
I really hope that if Kabam is going to back this stupid mechanic, that they think long and hard to the response... b/c I'm sorry, you cannot logically say that this is working as intended.
This has already been explained. A Heavy can be comprised of more than one Hit. It can trigger at different times.
It logically doesn't make sense, as I explained above. If you can block a heavy after the first hit being successful, then why can't you block a combo or a special attack after the first hit is successful? It is the SAME EXACT difference.
This has already been explained. A Heavy can be comprised of more than one Hit. It can trigger at different times.
It logically doesn't make sense, as I explained above. If you can block a heavy after the first hit being successful, then why can't you block a combo or a special attack after the first hit is successful? It is the SAME EXACT difference.
No it's not. Any Hit in a Heavy is a block-breaking Hit. Some Heavies are comprised of more than one Hit. It can trigger with any Hit within a Heavy.
This has already been explained. A Heavy can be comprised of more than one Hit. It can trigger at different times.
Here we go. Do you play this game competitively or even at all? Honest question. You are on these forums more than anyone I’ve ever seen, it’s not even close. How can you weigh in so frequently on here and simultaneously play with any kind of competitiveness?
But I digress.
Yes I’d say off the top of my head the majority of all heavies in this game are comprised of more than 1 hit.
No my testing is certainly not a definitive conclusion but I spent quite a few hours dueling many champs with max SYG. She-Hulk was far and away the easiest opponent to achieve the above result of hit confirm on 1st hit of a heavy but resist + parry the 2nd hit in her heavy. Not even close.
Was able to get this same result against DDHK, VP and Void with Void being almost as easy and quick to achieve as She-Hulk (possibly easier tbh since his heavy is slower overall and 3 slow hits at that) and I haven’t tested everyone yet.
Couldn’t achieve this result vs Falcon yet he has the same heavy animation and seemingly the exact same timing as DDHK.
So what I’m suggesting is that these above champs (so far anyway) are bugged in some way whereas their heavies do not put the opponent in hit stun long enough when landing a hit confirm (1st hit) on their heavy. And no I’m not talking about a stun in the parry stun sense, I’m taking about when you land a heavy attack (1st hit) the entire heavy lands since the opponent should not be able to block at all throughout the entire heavy. Resisting on the 1st hit of a heavy, be it 1 single hit or multiple, is how SYG works. Not after a successful hit confirm.
Otherwise that would mean that some champs, like the ones I tested above, are being punished for… what? Having a slow heavy?
Again Apoc probably has the slowest heavy in the game yet I was not able to create the ‘1st hit confirm on heavy, 2nd hit resisted and/or parried’ only resist, resist + parry.
That She-Hulk, who has already been reworked and then “adjusted” again post rework to fix her ‘heavy chaining from combo’ ability, still has a bugged heavy (frames, hit box, etc..) subsequently resulting in this SYG issue I’ve made this post about.
Or
That this SYG interaction is working as intended across the board for all champs including She-Hulk?
You can make quips about whether I play or not, but I've been playing for 6 years, and I've seen the Resist trigger at different times. I've explained it, Kabam has responded on it, not sure what more can be said.
You can make quips about whether I play or not, but I've been playing for 6 years, and I've seen the Resist trigger at different times. I've explained it, Kabam has responded on it, not sure what more can be said.
I do make quips. Because you seem out of touch with the entire player base often.
What more can be said is that some champs, to include She-Hulk, Void, DDHK, VP and likely others, have bugged heavies.
What more can be said is: Yes those champs have bugged heavies or no those champs’ heavies are working as intended within this SYG interaction I’ve demonstrated in this post. Has to be one or the other right?
This is similar to how some champs cannot be heavy spammed in general. Like g99 , storm px and so on. And some champs cannot heavy spam against some opponents
You can make quips about whether I play or not, but I've been playing for 6 years, and I've seen the Resist trigger at different times. I've explained it, Kabam has responded on it, not sure what more can be said.
I do make quips. Because you seem out of touch with the entire player base often.
What more can be said is that some champs, to include She-Hulk, Void, DDHK, VP and likely others, have bugged heavies.
What more can be said is: Yes those champs have bugged heavies or no those champs’ heavies are working as intended within this SYG interaction I’ve demonstrated in this post. Has to be one or the other right?
Zibiit confirmed that this is working as intended in another Thread. Was that not sufficient as per your question?
You can make quips about whether I play or not, but I've been playing for 6 years, and I've seen the Resist trigger at different times. I've explained it, Kabam has responded on it, not sure what more can be said.
I do make quips. Because you seem out of touch with the entire player base often.
What more can be said is that some champs, to include She-Hulk, Void, DDHK, VP and likely others, have bugged heavies.
What more can be said is: Yes those champs have bugged heavies or no those champs’ heavies are working as intended within this SYG interaction I’ve demonstrated in this post. Has to be one or the other right?
Zibiit confirmed that this is working as intended in another Thread. Was that not sufficient as per your question?
That's true but there's many of us who disagree with that statement given the fact the interaction doesn't work the same for all champs and above all else it's really nonsensical that you resist my block breaking hit with your block while you're not blocking anymore lol
You can make quips about whether I play or not, but I've been playing for 6 years, and I've seen the Resist trigger at different times. I've explained it, Kabam has responded on it, not sure what more can be said.
I do make quips. Because you seem out of touch with the entire player base often.
What more can be said is that some champs, to include She-Hulk, Void, DDHK, VP and likely others, have bugged heavies.
What more can be said is: Yes those champs have bugged heavies or no those champs’ heavies are working as intended within this SYG interaction I’ve demonstrated in this post. Has to be one or the other right?
Zibiit confirmed that this is working as intended in another Thread. Was that not sufficient as per your question?
That's true but there's many of us who disagree with that statement given the fact the interaction doesn't work the same for all champs and above all else it's really nonsensical that you resist my block breaking hit with your block while you're not blocking anymore lol
Honest question here, suppose champion A us doing a multi hit heavy on champion B. If due to some mechanic , champion A gets stunned in the middle of the heavy, how long would champion B be unable to make a move? ie, how long till Champion B is able to block again? Note that the stun in champion A is atleast 30 seconds
This has already been explained. A Heavy can be comprised of more than one Hit. It can trigger at different times.
It logically doesn't make sense, as I explained above. If you can block a heavy after the first hit being successful, then why can't you block a combo or a special attack after the first hit is successful? It is the SAME EXACT difference.
No it's not. Any Hit in a Heavy is a block-breaking Hit. Some Heavies are comprised of more than one Hit. It can trigger with any Hit within a Heavy.
So you're telling me that we should be able to block a heavy after the first one connects? How the heck does that even make sense?
That means I should be able to block a full combo after getting hit in the face by the first strike. Tell me that's not exactly the same thing.
No, every heavy hit is not a block-breaking hit. Once the block is broken, the defender should not be able to recover. Or rather... what if the first hit of the heavy is successful, should the others be able to be blocked? No... b/c you cannot do that to basic attacks, nor can you do that to specials.
No... you have not been playing for 6 years, or at least not as competitively as some of the rest of us. You're just a troll and it's quite obvious based on your history. If you weren't a troll, you would have stopped responding here after your first comment.
This is a bug. I don't care of a mod said it wasn't... it hasn't been addressed in detail. Again, please tell me how this is different than my analogy earlier: Can we block midway through being hit successfully by a basic attack combo? No. Can we block midway through a special attack that already hit us? No.
If all you're interested in doing is calling me names, and you don't even agree with those who work for Kabam themselves, then I'm not the one being controversial here. There's no reason to further discuss it.
I raised this issue in June 2017. It's not a new thing. I also doubt I was the first to bring it up so its likely that it has happened since the mastery was first unlocked.
The way it works is silly in my opinion but its also the way it is.
You can make quips about whether I play or not, but I've been playing for 6 years, and I've seen the Resist trigger at different times. I've explained it, Kabam has responded on it, not sure what more can be said.
I do make quips. Because you seem out of touch with the entire player base often.
What more can be said is that some champs, to include She-Hulk, Void, DDHK, VP and likely others, have bugged heavies.
What more can be said is: Yes those champs have bugged heavies or no those champs’ heavies are working as intended within this SYG interaction I’ve demonstrated in this post. Has to be one or the other right?
Zibiit confirmed that this is working as intended in another Thread. Was that not sufficient as per your question?
That's true but there's many of us who disagree with that statement given the fact the interaction doesn't work the same for all champs and above all else it's really nonsensical that you resist my block breaking hit with your block while you're not blocking anymore lol
Honest question here, suppose champion A us doing a multi hit heavy on champion B. If due to some mechanic , champion A gets stunned in the middle of the heavy, how long would champion B be unable to make a move? ie, how long till Champion B is able to block again? Note that the stun in champion A is atleast 30 seconds
Champion A is mid-heavy upon Champion B. Champion A is then stunned for 30 secs by “some mechanic” during his own heavy. Champion B is in hit stun from the heavy inflicted by Champion A for the full duration of Champion A’s heavy, whatever that duration may be, as it varies from champ to champ.
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All this to say that this needs immediate attention, esp. with a new war season beginning today.
Hypothetical Situation:
Hercules heavy's first hit connect and second hit gets resisted in war
Community:
(Hercs heavy is fine btw)
Kabam let’s discuss. This is working as intended? I cannot believe it is.
Apoc has one of the slowest 2-hit heavies in the game yet I cannot seem to create the aforementioned scenario. It took me 2 minutes to create this multiple times with She-Hulk and her heavy is faster than Apoc’s.
While we're at it, get this man a QA position at Kabam
Thank you 🙏🏽 at least someone is listening.
There is no way Kabam could convince me that this is "working as intended". If a heavy can be blocked after a successful hit, then the same goes for a full 5-hit combo or a special attack, as explained just below.
Pure Comparative Examples (a successful Heavy strike should be comparable to these):
Can we block midway through being hit by a combo? No.
Can we block midway through a special attack that already hit us? No.
That's the same thing with a heavy attack. If one of them connects, it is completely irresponsible to say that this is working as intended. Pure logic alone would say otherwise.
I really hope that if Kabam is going to back this stupid mechanic, that they think long and hard to the response... b/c I'm sorry, you cannot logically say that this is working as intended.
But I digress.
Yes I’d say off the top of my head the majority of all heavies in this game are comprised of more than 1 hit.
No my testing is certainly not a definitive conclusion but I spent quite a few hours dueling many champs with max SYG. She-Hulk was far and away the easiest opponent to achieve the above result of hit confirm on 1st hit of a heavy but resist + parry the 2nd hit in her heavy. Not even close.
Was able to get this same result against DDHK, VP and Void with Void being almost as easy and quick to achieve as She-Hulk (possibly easier tbh since his heavy is slower overall and 3 slow hits at that) and I haven’t tested everyone yet.
Couldn’t achieve this result vs Falcon yet he has the same heavy animation and seemingly the exact same timing as DDHK.
So what I’m suggesting is that these above champs (so far anyway) are bugged in some way whereas their heavies do not put the opponent in hit stun long enough when landing a hit confirm (1st hit) on their heavy. And no I’m not talking about a stun in the parry stun sense, I’m taking about when you land a heavy attack (1st hit) the entire heavy lands since the opponent should not be able to block at all throughout the entire heavy. Resisting on the 1st hit of a heavy, be it 1 single hit or multiple, is how SYG works. Not after a successful hit confirm.
Otherwise that would mean that some champs, like the ones I tested above, are being punished for… what? Having a slow heavy?
Again Apoc probably has the slowest heavy in the game yet I was not able to create the ‘1st hit confirm on heavy, 2nd hit resisted and/or parried’ only resist, resist + parry.
That She-Hulk, who has already been reworked and then “adjusted” again post rework to fix her ‘heavy chaining from combo’ ability, still has a bugged heavy (frames, hit box, etc..) subsequently resulting in this SYG issue I’ve made this post about.
Or
That this SYG interaction is working as intended across the board for all champs including She-Hulk?
What more can be said is that some champs, to include She-Hulk, Void, DDHK, VP and likely others, have bugged heavies.
What more can be said is: Yes those champs have bugged heavies or no those champs’ heavies are working as intended within this SYG interaction I’ve demonstrated in this post. Has to be one or the other right?
That means I should be able to block a full combo after getting hit in the face by the first strike. Tell me that's not exactly the same thing.
No, every heavy hit is not a block-breaking hit. Once the block is broken, the defender should not be able to recover. Or rather... what if the first hit of the heavy is successful, should the others be able to be blocked? No... b/c you cannot do that to basic attacks, nor can you do that to specials.
No... you have not been playing for 6 years, or at least not as competitively as some of the rest of us. You're just a troll and it's quite obvious based on your history. If you weren't a troll, you would have stopped responding here after your first comment.
This is a bug. I don't care of a mod said it wasn't... it hasn't been addressed in detail. Again, please tell me how this is different than my analogy earlier:
Can we block midway through being hit successfully by a basic attack combo? No.
Can we block midway through a special attack that already hit us? No.
The way it works is silly in my opinion but its also the way it is.
Champion A is mid-heavy upon Champion B. Champion A is then stunned for 30 secs by “some mechanic” during his own heavy.
Champion B is in hit stun from the heavy inflicted by Champion A for the full duration of Champion A’s heavy, whatever that duration may be, as it varies from champ to champ.