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3rd science 5* gem

Dear Kabam.

Just spent 100$ to get another 5* science gem. Have 3 now and look at all the new champions i can use them on.... oh wait.

Sincerely - what the ***k
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  • King_L0kiB34rKing_L0kiB34r Posts: 204
    I just got my second cosmic... maybe someday I will get that elusive hyperion. lol
  • Stara99Stara99 Posts: 423 ★★
    @Kiryu I feel for you. I've gotten 2 science, 2 mutant with no archangel or iceman and a skill without a Gwenpool or blade. Going on 1.5 years or so since I've gotten Starlord with 28 5* and can't dupe him. So I was a sucker again hoping for a tech and got this
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  • KiryuKiryu Posts: 24
    Thats not my point. Atleast any other gem can be used on SOME champions released this year. Having 3 of same class sucks. But what sucks more is there is Not a single champion u could even potentially use them. I mean i wouldnt rank up a single champion of that class.
  • Stara99Stara99 Posts: 423 ★★
    I understand you. I posted I have 2 of those worthless science gems myself @Kiryu
  • Weaver1983Weaver1983 Posts: 58
    Holding out hope for a decent December science feature
  • RagamugginGunnerRagamugginGunner Posts: 2,210 ★★★★★
    I've gotten 3 skill from my last 4 crystals. They def increase the odds of pulling a dupe.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 28,914 ★★★★★
    The Crystals don't take into account what you have. There's no such algorithm. It's one RNG for the same Crystal. I can understand that it's frustrating to not roll what we want, but they have no control over it. We buy the Crystal, roll it, and it lands how it lands. It's entirely possible to roll repeats.
    Personally, I'd rather use them than sit on them indefinitely for specific Champs. Especially if I had multiples.
  • Deadbyrd9Deadbyrd9 Posts: 3,461 ★★★★
    3 of the science class is by far the worst but at least there is hulk, quake, and spidey you could use one on. I have 3 mutants so I know what it’s like to get 3 but mine are more useful if I can pull AA and iceman
  • AcanthusAcanthus Posts: 447 ★★★
    Ah, my long lost brother, finally we meet
  • KiryuKiryu Posts: 24
    Dont have quake but all other science champs i have are already duped :/
  • RagamugginGunnerRagamugginGunner Posts: 2,210 ★★★★★
    The Crystals don't take into account what you have. There's no such algorithm. It's one RNG for the same Crystal. I can understand that it's frustrating to not roll what we want, but they have no control over it. We buy the Crystal, roll it, and it lands how it lands. It's entirely possible to roll repeats.
    Personally, I'd rather use them than sit on them indefinitely for specific Champs. Especially if I had multiples.

    Where did you get this info on the crystal algorithm? I would imagine that most Kabam employees don't even know the true numbers but somehow you do??
  • LocoMotivesLocoMotives Posts: 1,200 ★★★
    It will take you ages and ages to increase the sig of a 5* to a useful level if you have multiple of the same awakening gem. I have 2 science so I know not to take that gamble, I'll save for anniversary / holiday season offers see if they're ok.

    You can’t base all champs off of one. Many don’t need a high sig level to be useful.
  • Vision_41Vision_41 Posts: 721
    At least you know that you have back ups.
  • KinggyyKinggyy Posts: 37
    I would personally use a science gem on hulk if you have him, but that sucks about the other 2 :neutral:
  • NastyEfnNateNastyEfnNate Posts: 551 ★★
    I wouldn’t use it on quake. Her sig sucks. I have her and I just got one of these worthless items. Def will not use on her
  • LocoMotivesLocoMotives Posts: 1,200 ★★★
    It will take you ages and ages to increase the sig of a 5* to a useful level if you have multiple of the same awakening gem. I have 2 science so I know not to take that gamble, I'll save for anniversary / holiday season offers see if they're ok.

    You can’t base all champs off of one. Many don’t need a high sig level to be useful.

    But 5* champs are designed differently. There is a much bigger slope for the champs that need sig stones to be useful, which is like 95% of them. You no longer get the majority of the bonus from the first 20-40 stones like with 4*, you need about 150+.

    This is incorrect. Every champ has a unique “slope” and some 5* go way above the ability max of 4*. Voodoo for instance increases his sig at a faster rate than the 4* and goes above max 4* level at way under lvl 100. So this generalization is incorrect.
  • OKAYGangOKAYGang Posts: 440 ★★★
    Kiryu wrote: »
    Thats not my point. Atleast any other gem can be used on SOME champions released this year. Having 3 of same class sucks. But what sucks more is there is Not a single champion u could even potentially use them. I mean i wouldnt rank up a single champion of that class.

    Quake and Hulk are worth it especially since you have three gems, otherwise I agree. WW2 is worth it, oh wait............
  • OKAYGangOKAYGang Posts: 440 ★★★
    I wouldn’t use it on quake. Her sig sucks. I have her and I just got one of these worthless items. Def will not use on her

    If you think Quake is bad you aren't using her right no offense. She isn't top 10 overall or anything but she is very good for a Science champ.
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    Trash. Horrible response to from kabam, instead of actually trying to help or make the customer happy they pretty much give you the middle finger
  • OKAYGangOKAYGang Posts: 440 ★★★
    The Crystals don't take into account what you have. There's no such algorithm. It's one RNG for the same Crystal. I can understand that it's frustrating to not roll what we want, but they have no control over it. We buy the Crystal, roll it, and it lands how it lands. It's entirely possible to roll repeats.
    Personally, I'd rather use them than sit on them indefinitely for specific Champs. Especially if I had multiples.

    Grounded, I am not arguing your post, Kabam has stated exactly what you said here. What I am asking is why do you believe everything they say to be a truth? Why do we almost never see people bragging in the Forums about pulling exactly what they wanted I mean there only six classes, you would think one out every six of these types of comments would be a satisfied customer, but I don't see it. Also to he clear, I am not even saying Kabam is lieing but they have never once provided any evidence that they aren't either. There is no such thing as Video Gaming regulation so holds them accountable and makes sure they pkay fair. There is a Gaming Commission that regulates Casinos in the US and does this. Why because Casinos have been caught cheating before it existed. To reiterate I am not saying Kabam is or isn't lieing about their algorithm, but with no proof or regulation it is entirely possible they could be. Question everything is all I am saying and that goes beyond this game.
  • JuggerneyksJuggerneyks Posts: 275 ★★
    The Crystals don't take into account what you have. There's no such algorithm. It's one RNG for the same Crystal. I can understand that it's frustrating to not roll what we want, but they have no control over it. We buy the Crystal, roll it, and it lands how it lands. It's entirely possible to roll repeats.
    Personally, I'd rather use them than sit on them indefinitely for specific Champs. Especially if I had multiples.

    I still find it odd that so many people roll duplicate gems that they dont need, maybe its just because those are the only ones who would feel mad enough to complain on the forums i dont know. But this discussion will always happen untill we have solid analytics from kabam on RNG, Untill then not 1 person on this forum can be 100% sure theres no such algorithm. Kabam stating it and providing proof on the statements is 2 different things.

    Im on the fence about the subject, as sometimes it feels like to much of a coincidence, but im also not a kabam conspiracy nutjob

  • Don't forget Mr. Cage... untamable when awakened...
  • KiryuKiryu Posts: 24
    Ooh. Fyi its my 4th already have sig1 rhino
  • OKAYGang wrote: »
    Why do we almost never see people bragging in the Forums about pulling exactly what they wanted I mean there only six classes, you would think one out every six of these types of comments would be a satisfied customer, but I don't see it.

    In general, people are vastly more likely to complain than to brag, and the result that you will almost never hear about is the mediocre one. In fact, I've seen many people complain about bad results that turn out to not even be bad results to most people reading it.

    But if you want a data point for statistical purposes, I'm currently sitting on two 5* awakening gems. One tech, and one skill. I think most people would kill for those, but at the moment I'm trapped between having no tech worth awakening and holding out for a better one to use skill on (I could awaken Elektra, but while she is not bad a choice it would be crazy to use it on her when Blade is floating around out there).
  • The Crystals don't take into account what you have. There's no such algorithm. It's one RNG for the same Crystal. I can understand that it's frustrating to not roll what we want, but they have no control over it. We buy the Crystal, roll it, and it lands how it lands. It's entirely possible to roll repeats.
    Personally, I'd rather use them than sit on them indefinitely for specific Champs. Especially if I had multiples.

    I still find it odd that so many people roll duplicate gems that they dont need, maybe its just because those are the only ones who would feel mad enough to complain on the forums i dont know. But this discussion will always happen untill we have solid analytics from kabam on RNG, Untill then not 1 person on this forum can be 100% sure theres no such algorithm. Kabam stating it and providing proof on the statements is 2 different things.

    You're never going to get acceptable proof of anything random happening as it should. I've had direct experience in this. I've proven RNGs to be broken and I've demonstrated them to be functioning correctly. When I've proven them to be broken everyone believes me. When I've proven them to be fine, a lot of people simply don't accept the evidence.

    The fundamental problem is most people don't recognize or understand what random behavior is, so when they see something that doesn't agree with what they believe randomness to be, they believe they know its not random and thus will reject any proof to the contrary. Especially when the only way to prove a random system is random is with complex statistical analysis few people are qualified to understand.
  • BasicChampBasicChamp Posts: 97
    edited November 2017
    You gamble and you lost. Don't blame anyone for that. Life is never fair and it shouldn't be fair. Get your boy pants on. I blew plenty on crystals and get shank all the time. Life goes on.
  • New_Noob168New_Noob168 Posts: 1,456 ★★★★
    I think it's rigged. They obviously won't give us the odds, but I have a feeling it's rigged.
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