Question About Loyalty Changes

So we all know that the loyalty pots were made less accessible and more expensive. There was a proposed sheet of how much loyalty we get now, and how much we will get in the future, shown here.

So my question is, if there were planned amounts, why haven’t they been implemented? I mean I guess that the team would want to see data in terms of spending tendencies before the loyalty per war changed, but why? There’s no harm in giving everyone more loyalty now and having to adjust it later. I’m not looking for any arguments or snarky comments, I just want a civil discussion on the topic.

Comments

Gamer

There resone it there like to wait to after the compensation end beforehand to push the loyalty.

Typhoon

Because the input fixes haven’t gone live yet. They said they will be making changes to loyalty amounts earned before the end of compensation. Compensation will stop when the input fix is live. We’re not there yet.

TheBair123

What I got from their posts was that they are going to increase the loyalty per war BEFORE the compensation ends. I just want to know why that wasn’t done at the start of the season.

Typhoon

I see how you interpreted it that way, but I believe the intended message was to be slightly before the end of compensation, not immediately with start of next season.

TheBair123

If that happens, then I assume the order will go
1. Input issues fixed
2. Compensation stops
3. Loyalty increased

If I’m interpreting your response wrong, tell me, but I thought the loyalty increase would happen before compensation stops. That way, we don’t go straight from small amounts of loyalty per war straight into having to pay 50k loyalty for a pot

Typhoon

I would amend this to read:

1. Input issues fixed
2. Loyalty increased
3. Compensation stops.

#1 needs to happen first.

Demonzfyre

But at the same time they've already increased the prices for the pots. What sense does it make to increase those when we're only getting 30k weekly but 3 wars between comp?

TheBair123

That would be fine with me. I’m just worried there won’t be enough of a window between the issue fixes and the compensation stop for the economy to stabilize. My concern is that there will be a week or so where we’re not getting compensation and the loyalty increase has just started. So we’re essentially starting from behind

Typhoon

Not saying I agree with them, but they claim their data shows that we’ve all been using AW compensation and not buying potions with it. In some cases, selling the AW compensation (I have been, at least).

TheBair123

I’m sure most people have the same experience as you. But I just don’t understand the drastic change in the availability and price of war pots without increasing loyalty. When compensation stops, all hell could break loose since people won’t have tons of potions in their overflow

KnightZero

Data is definitely wrong. I can guarantee that. Because it's an average that has been taken.

Typhoon

Correct, thus their reasoning of increasing loyalty amounts before the compensation stops.

TheBair123

There’s not really any way to “disprove data.” There are for sure people who use all the compensation pots every week and don’t run out. But the data, from what we’ve been told, shows that the MAJORITY of pepper aren’t using it or selling it. So I think it makes sense to appeal to the majority of players and work off of that

Qwerty12345

Did everyone get the new loyalty amounts for winning or losing their war? I didn't save a screenshot, but I'm pretty sure I got the old amount... which given that the new prices are in place... doesn't feel right.

Typhoon

For someone in a semi-competitive to competitive AW mode, you’d need to be dying a lot to use up all these potions. Also chances are you’d be kicked from the alliance if you were lol.

TheBair123

Exactly! Glad we’re on the same page. All I really want to know is why the loyalty increase is being kept for later rather than now or at least soon. I mean there’s no harm in increasing loyalty now, right? It doesn’t expire and it’s a lot better to have people have too much than too little loyalty. And people who have tons already can’t buy infinite pots, and that’s why the limits are there

TheBair123

I’ll catch you up. The loyalty is the same as it was before, but it will be changed before compensation ends. The main goal of this post was to figure out why not increase the loyalty now and need be, change it in the future later on

Typhoon

Agreed that things feel a bit out of order. But according to their post, we won’t get new loyalty amounts until the input fixes are confirmed fixed. I believe they just finished their first beta run with the CCP and are fixing some bugs with it at the moment.

Typhoon

My guess is that they just haven’t figured out what a reasonable amount to increase wins/losses by is yet. I think they only just recently figured out (based on player feedback) that the new loyalty store values were problematic. Back to the drawing board.

Demonzfyre

Which could be true BUT the 14k pots aren't available for loyalty anymore. The 9.5k pots are and right now, we're not getting those. At the current cost, we can only buy 1 per week wit the current comp since they are 20k. If we had the updated win/loss amounts we could buy both.

Typhoon

Also true. And I’m sure Kabam’s response to this would be: “people aren’t buying any potions with loyalty right now because they are using the AW compensation.”

KnightZero

I'd think in a competitive game mode, considering resources, you'd want to appeal to the players actually using the resources more? It doesn't matter if the lower get extra and sell it. It's a pittance amount of gold.

Really? I'm in a P1/P2 alliance and we definitely use those pots even if you don't die. One mistake takes R3 boosted Apoc like 4-5 of those pots to heal. That's one week compensation done on a champ.

GroundedWisdom

They're still in the early stages of making calculations.

TheBair123

That makes sense, and I’m all for data. But what’s the harm in giving the initial estimate for increased loyalty now? Worst case scenario; we get too much loyalty for a week or two and it has to be decreased

Demonzfyre

I find it difficult to believe they're in the early stages when they posted this-

Typhoon

I’m mostly referring to the revives. I for sure use the healing potions. But even then, I still have extras going into my stash.

GroundedWisdom

On top of the Compensation we get? The idea is to make reasonable adjustments when it ends.

KnightZero

Revives? Sure. Pots are definitely good, but I can't see data saying that most people are selling them if they're in higher level alliances unless they either are perfect or don't take many fights

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Pussaley

And increase significantly. One war costs 200k loyalty sometimes and they give us 21k for winning. Insanity…