The Elephants In The Room

I haven't seen a post in this vein so I'm creating one as there's a few things I'd like to know.

First, the thread name is kind of fitting as it's regarding XL Champs. For a very long time, I've noticed the XL Champs as Defenders have had their movement speed upped, so much so that they often "twitch" in the corner. I'm sure that a Cull/Juggernaut/Sentinel shouldn't be moving at the speed of a Spidey/Mysterio/X-23, but he I am starting a discussion about how this happens as we currently play.

I'm also curious how the Defenders can activate an SP3 while Stunned. If I can't do that as a stunned Attacker, I'm again oddly curious how the AI can. I've had that happen multiple times as it feels like it's getting harder to bait SPs 1 & 2 from certain champs. I've had Defenders launch their SP3 immediately after my Doom or She-Hulk finished theirs, 2 champs with a guaranteed Stun. Again, I'm just curious how this can happen, Kabam.

I'm guessing that this thread will get deleted fairly fast as I honestly think that both of these are topics that Kabam doesn't want to address as it feels like blatant bending (if not more) of some very simple fundamentals in the game.

I hope there can be some answers given to this rather than just Kabam deleting it because they don't like what's being said (even though I know nothing here goes against their codes).

Comments

Jaded

Or maybe they aren’t talking about these “issues” because they aren’t real…

Can’t sp3 while stunned, you’re seeing it wrong.

XL champs aren’t allowed to move as fast as S/M champs? Huh idk what you’re on but can you share some?

Kabam Miike

Hey there,

All Champions have the same speed of Attack, so the larger they are, the faster they look like they are moving. The "bigger" the movement, the faster it seems. Morningstar is a great example of this because of the way she spins during her attacks, and Hela with massive spinning overhead kicks.

Not sure what you mean about Stunned Champions using their SP3. Haven't heard anybody else report that.

KDoggg2017

Is it possible that opponents who appear to SP3 while stunned could be champs that have the ability to shrug off debuffs quickly? 🤔 Bcuz in 6 years of playing everyday, I've never seen any champ SP3 "while stunned."

solopolo

As far as the sp3 issue, there are multiple reasons this could happen. Stun immunity(which does include passive stuns, so Doom does not bypass this), debuff shrugging, ability accuracy reduction. If you could tell which fights, champions, or nodes this happened with, we'd have a much better idea what's actually going on.

Liss_Bliss_

Is it possible that opponents who appear to SP3 while stunned could be champs that have the ability to shrug off debuffs quickly? 🤔 Bcuz in 6 years of playing everyday, I've never seen any champ SP3 "while stunned."

It's one of those things just like thr 1% bug.

phillgreen

I would like to see how quickly the players can activate their special out of a stun or knockdown and the AI's ability to the same.

It is exceedingly frustrating to watch the AI activate a SP3 in between DOT ticks and see a 3 digit number of health remaining.

Yeah, I could not be an idiot and push them to SP3 or try to rush the fight but come on, the reaction time of the AI seems insane to me.

Glads

I haven't noticed this it would be good if you have videos

SirGamesBond

Show me proof and I'll fight your battle alongside you.

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AverageDesi

Hey there,

All Champions have the same speed of Attack,

Do a 5 combo with Daredevil and virtually any other champ and come and tell it is the same

Spudly

As far as the sp3 issue, there are multiple reasons this could happen. Stun immunity(which does include passive stuns, so Doom does not bypass this), debuff shrugging, ability accuracy reduction. If you could tell which fights, champions, or nodes this happened with, we'd have a much better idea what's actually going on.

I've been playing for 4+ years now & am Cav on my Main, UC on the Alt. I get where you're coming from, but I read the nodes and aside from a couple of the newer champs, I know who's got what. If it happened against someone with Tenacity, on a Stun Immune Node/Limber, I never would've brought this up.

@Kabam Miike As for the XLs, I've done the recent Legendary Side Quest multiple times. The most recent, Cull Obsidian was the first before the Random Path generator. He was twitching in the corner, guard going up & down, his Thanos' Favor icon flashing like a strobe light. How exactly is that "appearing" that he's moving faster?

solopolo

As far as the sp3 issue, there are multiple reasons this could happen. Stun immunity(which does include passive stuns, so Doom does not bypass this), debuff shrugging, ability accuracy reduction. If you could tell which fights, champions, or nodes this happened with, we'd have a much better idea what's actually going on.
I've been playing for 4+ years now & am Cav on my Main, UC on the Alt. I get where you're coming from, but I read the nodes and aside from a couple of the newer champs, I know who's got what. If it happened against someone with Tenacity, on a Stun Immune Node/Limber, I never would've brought this up.

This doesn't tell us where you saw this happen, so we still have nothing to go off of.

Spudly

As far as the sp3 issue, there are multiple reasons this could happen. Stun immunity(which does include passive stuns, so Doom does not bypass this), debuff shrugging, ability accuracy reduction. If you could tell which fights, champions, or nodes this happened with, we'd have a much better idea what's actually going on.
I've been playing for 4+ years now & am Cav on my Main, UC on the Alt. I get where you're coming from, but I read the nodes and aside from a couple of the newer champs, I know who's got what. If it happened against someone with Tenacity, on a Stun Immune Node/Limber, I never would've brought this up.
This doesn't tell us where you saw this happen, so we still have nothing to go off of.

The most recent on the SP3 No Stun/Straight into their SP3 was 2, possibly 3 months ago during a run through on the UC EQ against Sorc Supreme. I honestly can't tell you which month it was as my interest in this game & it's bugs has all but died. I can't tell you what the nodes were but there wasn't a Limber & definitely no variation of a Stun Immune node as I was able to Shock her & then Charge a Heavy and Passively Stun her during the Heavy Charge.

I wish I had video evidence but as an Alliance mate brought up to me, he's posted video evidence of such things happening just to have Kabam remove the post, so I'm certainly not going to record every fight I have with Doom on the chance it happens again just to have it removed.

ItsDamien

As far as the sp3 issue, there are multiple reasons this could happen. Stun immunity(which does include passive stuns, so Doom does not bypass this), debuff shrugging, ability accuracy reduction. If you could tell which fights, champions, or nodes this happened with, we'd have a much better idea what's actually going on.
I've been playing for 4+ years now & am Cav on my Main, UC on the Alt. I get where you're coming from, but I read the nodes and aside from a couple of the newer champs, I know who's got what. If it happened against someone with Tenacity, on a Stun Immune Node/Limber, I never would've brought this up.
This doesn't tell us where you saw this happen, so we still have nothing to go off of.
The most recent on the SP3 No Stun/Straight into their SP3 was 2, possibly 3 months ago during a run through on the UC EQ against Sorc Supreme. I honestly can't tell you which month it was as my interest in this game & it's bugs has all but died. I can't tell you what the nodes were but there wasn't a Limber & definitely no variation of a Stun Immune node as I was able to Shock her & then Charge a Heavy and Passively Stun her during the Heavy Charge.

I wish I had video evidence but as an Alliance mate brought up to me, he's posted video evidence of such things happening just to have Kabam remove the post, so I'm certainly not going to record every fight I have with Doom on the chance it happens again just to have it removed.

The onus of proof is on you to provide. Nothing you’ve suggested so far has actually proven to be a bug.

Spudly

And what file formats are allowed? I don't have proof of the SP3 right now, but I did a throw away fight against Cull for the XLs not moving like they're XLs. Apparently MP4 isn't supported?

Pikolu

For your block thing, the AI can block and unblock much faster than we can, just go to any recharge node and any champion you face, (doesn't have to be XL) will have their power gain popping up a ton as they block and unblock at the speed of light lol.

RedBirdIsSmart

Or maybe they aren’t talking about these “issues” because they aren’t real…

Can’t sp3 while stunned, you’re seeing it wrong.

XL champs aren’t allowed to move as fast as S/M champs? Huh idk what you’re on but can you share some?

You literal egg, did you even read that.

Cassy

The Doom SP3 stun never failed as long as i Play him.

Gildarts99

Sad,opened battle chips again got some units but why are my units not adding up to already existing ones?

SirGamesBond

Hey there,

All Champions have the same speed of Attack,
Do a 5 combo with Daredevil and virtually any other champ and come and tell it is the same

True, here's my lonely agree in the river of disagrees.(btw I don't know if you are talking about ddhk or ogdd)

Add in thorags too. I have been parried on their second medium OR I have parried them mid combo while getting hit, rags and OG DD.

They'll fix it once they acknowledge them.
No rush, I don't use them, I can deal with that in arenas.

Side note, I think Miike is talking about champion's speed with respect to dashing in and out which seems to be correct.

Qwerty12345

I've not only had the computer SP3 me while stunned... I've also had the SP3 end with them still stunned (real WTF moment).

I'm also get a little irritated when the CPU with passive power gain able to hit their SP3 so "right when they hit it" / frame perfect, that as a player, I never actually see the bar fill up. I see it creeping up ... 2.8, 2.85, 2.9, 2.95 bars of power... but before the whole thing lights up... its already into the cut sceen.

There are many documentaries out right now on old school arcade games sniffing player inputs, and having reaction times faster than a player (e.g. SFII, MKII). Great example would be something like the fireballs which would require a player to hold back for a second or two then forward/attack button... the computer could somehow magically throw without holding back for any frames.

The number of times the CPU intercepts me I haven't quite got to the point of assuming its reading my inputs... but if I say heavy an opponent, and we both hit 3 bars at the same time... I as a reasonably responsive human should be able to go him my sp3 button first before the CPU can recover. More and more in the last month or two... the CPU has beat me to it.

Look I get as players we know which special we need to throw / hold back, and that there needs to be an element of the computer doing it as well... but there needs to be some random number / ceiling to the point where after dancing for say 30 seconds... its just going to throw, and move along... and let players "have a chance to play the game" vs. say getting timed out in AQ/AW (which these days basically means having CPU heal back to full, but I'll save that for a different rant).

IvarTheBoneless

Hey there,

All Champions have the same speed of Attack,
Do a 5 combo with Daredevil and virtually any other champ and come and tell it is the same
True, here's my lonely agree in the river of disagrees.(btw I don't know if you are talking about ddhk or ogdd)

Add in thorags too. I have been parried on their second medium OR I have parried them mid combo while getting hit, rags and OG DD.

They'll fix it once they acknowledge them.
No rush, I don't use them, I can deal with that in arenas.

Side note, I think Miike is talking about champion's speed with respect to dashing in and out which seems to be correct.

Yep same about OG DD. He was one of my first 6 stars and I would jave trouble chaining specials after a second medium because of the large gap between 3rd light and 2nd medium.

gforcefan

I have experienced the sp3 issue the last few months. When using Aegon, the sp3 gives a long stun. It appears the moment when his stun expires and it goes into stupefy time the AI can throw an sp3 if I am between combos.

The other issue is that the AI switches between block and not at super speed. I agree it is just more visible with large champs. This is why it is so hard to get NC to switch modes. Most of the time he just constantly switches to/from block.

K00shMaan

For your block thing, the AI can block and unblock much faster than we can, just go to any recharge node and any champion you face, (doesn't have to be XL) will have their power gain popping up a ton as they block and unblock at the speed of light lol.

Adding that you might be noticing this more often on larger champs as the is more movement between their blocking stance and their idle stance. They can also block and unblock almost instantaneously, to the point where it is I think undetectable to the human eye, at least to my crappy ones. This is most noticeable against Nightcrawler when you try to get him to switch to his Swashbuckling phase. Sometimes you're literally just hitting into his block and the timer magically vanishes.