Mole-Man true accuracy removed during Frenzy.

T-DeAdLY-J

Mole Man: True Accuracy no longer remains active while in Frenzy mode.

It was bound to happen.

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MBogusz

"Mole man has been bugged"
"Nerf him"

I hope you realise how ironic the meme is. It's not a nerf if it's a bug fix.

Yes, I chose my wording for that exact reason. From Kabams perspective it’s a bug (one that as others have pointed out, they have been quite happy to profit from players opening crystals for him and using cats on) however from a players perspective (and hopefully some of the devs who actually take pride in their job) it’s a nerf.

Treinin

Holiday in Canada and they won't reply till Monday... sounds like a good reason not to buy any July 4th offers today. Let's give them a chance to respond before we decide whether or not to spend any more on this game if this is how the player base will be treated. The audacity to prioritize "fixing" a beloved champion with all the other issues this game has is truly shocking.
One of the mods just closed a "I've been banned please help" post like 30 minutes ago so at least some of them are not taking the day off. So it'd be nice to hear something else from them if they are working.

All these forum mods have the authority to do is say "Hi guys! We'll take this feedback to the dev team.", and then they will wash their hands of it.

LeNoirFaineant

I have merged the two threads from @MilitaryJane and @Amms90 in order to keep the conversation in one place. Please remember to keep the ongoing discussion civil and constructive.

I saw that a moderator had commented on the thread. Scrolled through to find it hoping for some good news. That this was the comment and there are no others is disappointing to say the least.

GroundedWisdom

I have merged the two threads from @MilitaryJane and @Amms90 in order to keep the conversation in one place. Please remember to keep the ongoing discussion civil and constructive.
The real info we need is whether or not kabam will consider undoing this "bug fix". What the vast majority of the player base wants (except for groundedwisdom and demonzfire who always have a different opinion from everyone else) is that mole man stays as he is now. Easy enough to correct the ability decription to reflect the way he works right now. Meaning he will lose true accuracy if he reaches 10 monster mass. He will keep it if he stays below 10 monster mass. Whether he enters frenzy or not. Easy fix. No gamebreaking bug here. Not a champ that's unbalanced as is. And you spare us summoners the pain and frustration, the feeling of loss and of being robbed we would get from this nerf. After a year and a half that the champ was untouched with no bug acknowledged by kabam.

I have yet to see them intentionally undo a bug fix.

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HERU

Every few months, each time I start to think Kabam is doing a great job with the updates, something like this happens...and I start hating the guys again! lol

Fred1

Moleman is well balanced as it is now. I really enjoy playing with him and I really don't understand why modifying it now and not leaving as it is...

Why not changing its description to reflect how it acts now... It has been here for monthes and people love moleman.

I really hope it will stay like it is now ... it will be a good message to the community !
This character is so enjoyable !

Fred

Skjorn

It costs $0 to not change mole man’s kit

Joeqw

I happen to own an r4 sig 200 MM so this hits close to home. Saying he is garbage after the change is wrong. He isnt going to be trash and will still be very useful - but his value decrease would have led me to make a different choice for an r4 champ (hello kingpin).

I admin MM is not performing as described so the change is Kabam’s to make, but the communication and short timeframe SUCKS. While it was certainly good that the change was announced BEFORE July 4 spending, so people can make informed decisions, but how many times was this exact question asked for MONTHS with zero response? Not even a “we’re looking at this”. Why announce with such little notice after all this time? Overall it has a very anti-player feel. I’m not going to stomp my feet and cry about it, but would love to have my r4 skill gem back so I could make a more informed choice now that we understand your intentions for his kit. I imagine others feel the same.

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Demonzfyre

not gonna lie, i can see them monetizing this bug fix, by releasing a new champ later on with a synergy with mole man that allows him to do whatever he can do right now
And how would that be monetizing it exactly? Not that it would ever happen.
new champ with OP synergies (think Nick Fury on release)--> buy cavs--> money --> win?

Doubtful.

Demonzfyre

not gonna lie, i can see them monetizing this bug fix, by releasing a new champ later on with a synergy with mole man that allows him to do whatever he can do right now
And how would that be monetizing it exactly? Not that it would ever happen.
Because people will go for the character's preview bundles, and cavs to try to get him or her to make mole man great again, easy way for Kabam to make $$$

If a new champ gave a synergy to MM to be equal to his current big but there wasn't anything else to that champ, no, people won't go crazy like you suggest.

Kabam has had ample opportunity to do this with many champs and they've not done it. Why would they start.now?

Amms90

not gonna lie, i can see them monetizing this bug fix, by releasing a new champ later on with a synergy with mole man that allows him to do whatever he can do right now
And how would that be monetizing it exactly? Not that it would ever happen.
Because people will go for the character's preview bundles, and cavs to try to get him or her to make mole man great again, easy way for Kabam to make $$$
If a new champ gave a synergy to MM to be equal to his current big but there wasn't anything else to that champ, no, people won't go crazy like you suggest.

Kabam has had ample opportunity to do this with many champs and they've not done it. Why would they start.now?

Kabam hasn't acknowledged moleman as bugged nor has touched the champ for a year and a half, why would they start now? Your logic proved wrong by facts.

Fryday

So all I can say is, it would be advisable for someone from the Kabam team to give an official response, as July deal is coming (at least from what I understand) in less than 2 hours.

People will be open crystals and making decision on who to pick (if they open Nexus) and who to rank up.

The unknown does not help Kabam as a company or players.

Players is not going to spent if they are not clear of the situation.

At the end of the day, it is really worth changing MM from what he is currently like?

He is not breaking the game as he is right now, so why annoy a large of the players base for...well nothing...just going to cost (lose) the company money.

Cc: @Kabam Miike @Kabam Porthos @Kabam Zibiit and @Kabam Jax

Zuko_ILC

I remember when Ghost Rider wasn't as advertised in the opposite direction (benefited kabam) and instead of fixing what his ability was supposed to be they just left it. So are we going to revisit him and fix that bug?

SuperSleight

Dang, I thought it was part of his kit if you entered frenzy before getting to 10 monster mass. I use that all the time.

Can't we just keep him the way he is and update his abilities description?

ThēMandalorian

There is enough backlash here and rationale to show it not only has worked the way it currently is for over a year, but it doesn't break the game at all.

There's zero reason this "bug" should be fixed rather than just update the description so it states that if Frenzy is activated whilst under 10 Charges, you keep True Sense.

It's that simple. That would definitely be better optics for Kabam at this point rather than the bad faith they have given us the day before one of their biggest deal weekends of the year.

Corby11

Really disappointed. I ranked him to r3 mainly as a counter to evade champs and always understood rightly or wrongly that you had to enter frenzy mode below 10 monster mass to retain the True accuracy passive. I just don’t understand why after so long change it. I would have maybe r2 him without this mechanic, he has worked the same way since I got him over a year ago.

Kabam how about an upfront list of all the champs currently in the game that are only good cos they are bugged then we all know not to bother wasting time ranking them. This is a major change to how he works to an aspect that has made him desirable to many players.

Aldac

There is enough backlash here and rationale to show it not only has worked the way it currently is for over a year, but it doesn't break the game at all.

There's zero reason this "bug" should be fixed rather than just update the description so it states that if Frenzy is activated whilst under 10 Charges, you keep True Sense.

It's that simple. That would definitely be better optics for Kabam at this point rather than the bad faith they have given us the day before one of their biggest deal weekends of the year.

Agreed. I made one of the first comments on the thread saying the saying thing. I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels this is being handled appallingly, at the worst possible possible time vis a vis July 4th sales.

AverageDesi

I have merged the two threads from @MilitaryJane and @Amms90 in order to keep the conversation in one place. Please remember to keep the ongoing discussion civil and constructive.
The real info we need is whether or not kabam will consider undoing this "bug fix". What the vast majority of the player base wants (except for groundedwisdom and demonzfire who always have a different opinion from everyone else) is that mole man stays as he is now. Easy enough to correct the ability decription to reflect the way he works right now. Meaning he will lose true accuracy if he reaches 10 monster mass. He will keep it if he stays below 10 monster mass. Whether he enters frenzy or not. Easy fix. No gamebreaking bug here. Not a champ that's unbalanced as is. And you spare us summoners the pain and frustration, the feeling of loss and of being robbed we would get from this nerf. After a year and a half that the champ was untouched with no bug acknowledged by kabam.
I have yet to see them intentionally undo a bug fix.

sabertooth furies

GroundedWisdom

I have merged the two threads from @MilitaryJane and @Amms90 in order to keep the conversation in one place. Please remember to keep the ongoing discussion civil and constructive.
The real info we need is whether or not kabam will consider undoing this "bug fix". What the vast majority of the player base wants (except for groundedwisdom and demonzfire who always have a different opinion from everyone else) is that mole man stays as he is now. Easy enough to correct the ability decription to reflect the way he works right now. Meaning he will lose true accuracy if he reaches 10 monster mass. He will keep it if he stays below 10 monster mass. Whether he enters frenzy or not. Easy fix. No gamebreaking bug here. Not a champ that's unbalanced as is. And you spare us summoners the pain and frustration, the feeling of loss and of being robbed we would get from this nerf. After a year and a half that the champ was untouched with no bug acknowledged by kabam.
I have yet to see them intentionally undo a bug fix.
sabertooth furies

I'm not sure how that applies.

Wfpkstevezilla

I have merged the two threads from @MilitaryJane and @Amms90 in order to keep the conversation in one place. Please remember to keep the ongoing discussion civil and constructive.
I saw that a moderator had commented on the thread. Scrolled through to find it hoping for some good news. That this was the comment and there are no others is disappointing to say the least.

Silence from Kabam has historically been a sign that it doesn't matter the fallout, it's going to happen.

Kabam Jax

Hello Summoners.

I know you wanted a response sooner, but we need to communicate through a lot of avenues behind the scenes, and until there are new developments, we don't have any information to share.

That being said, we see how many of you care about this issue, and have a good grasp for the level at which that passion exists. This is a major topic around which the community team will open a dialogue with the dev team.

Does this mean we'll revert the changes? Not necessarily. But, we'll communicate the sentiment from the player base and go from there. The process isn't as simple as "don't flip that switch," and the change will still exist in the V36.0 update. We'll use this thread to share any meaningful developments that may take place.

In the meantime, I recommend you all keep the conversation here constructive. Voice your opinions, share your feelings, yes, but being aggressive doesn't better convey the severity of your stance.

GrassKnuckles

Hello Summoners.

I know you wanted a response sooner, but we need to communicate through a lot of avenues behind the scenes, and until there are new developments, we don't have any information to share.

That being said, we see how many of you care about this issue, and have a good grasp for the level at which that passion exists. This is a major topic around which the community team will open a dialogue with the dev team.

Does this mean we'll revert the changes? Not necessarily. But, we'll communicate the sentiment from the player base and go from there. The process isn't as simple as "don't flip that switch," and the change will still exist in the V36.0 update. We'll use this thread to share any meaningful developments that may take place.

In the meantime, I recommend you all keep the conversation here constructive. Voice your opinions, share your feelings, yes, but being aggressive doesn't better convey the severity of your stance.

I think the only reason that people are mad is that this one simple change make mole man a Trade utility for damage champ. No one likes those. He could easily have both when he was bugged and yes it was a bug, but it was there for so long that people pretty much considered it in his kit at this point

Burrito2525

Thanks kabamm jax for at least updating us.

Very disappointing to see the changes will stand, maybe You confer and decide to revert back in next update or if not please consider rank down tickets for r4->r3. A huge amount of resources in an r4….

Hello Summoners.

I know you wanted a response sooner, but we need to communicate through a lot of avenues behind the scenes, and until there are new developments, we don't have any information to share.

That being said, we see how many of you care about this issue, and have a good grasp for the level at which that passion exists. This is a major topic around which the community team will open a dialogue with the dev team.

Does this mean we'll revert the changes? Not necessarily. But, we'll communicate the sentiment from the player base and go from there. The process isn't as simple as "don't flip that switch," and the change will still exist in the V36.0 update. We'll use this thread to share any meaningful developments that may take place.

In the meantime, I recommend you all keep the conversation here constructive. Voice your opinions, share your feelings, yes, but being aggressive doesn't better convey the severity of your stance.

Amms90

Hello Summoners.

I know you wanted a response sooner, but we need to communicate through a lot of avenues behind the scenes, and until there are new developments, we don't have any information to share.

That being said, we see how many of you care about this issue, and have a good grasp for the level at which that passion exists. This is a major topic around which the community team will open a dialogue with the dev team.

Does this mean we'll revert the changes? Not necessarily. But, we'll communicate the sentiment from the player base and go from there. The process isn't as simple as "don't flip that switch," and the change will still exist in the V36.0 update. We'll use this thread to share any meaningful developments that may take place.

In the meantime, I recommend you all keep the conversation here constructive. Voice your opinions, share your feelings, yes, but being aggressive doesn't better convey the severity of your stance.

Kabam jax you came here and said that basically nothing can be done about it for the moment but the matter will be discussed and maybe later mole man will be back to his usual self. It's not much, but it's something. And the way you communicate stuff and the way you approach the matters at hand makes people feel reassured. I wish the change just never went live but seeing that Kabam is actually listening to our voice is good enough right now. Kabam jax easily the best mod.

Korgoth

I think my last post got removed, sorry if it double-posts:

Very disappointing to me, mole man is one of my favorite champs and doesn't even rate on the scale of broken/op champs in the game. Back in the day it was the same thing with Namor, the rank down ticket is not going the help with the disappointment I feel for what I think many believe was an unnecessary fix after so much time (at least Namor's fix was relatively close to his release).

I usually spend quite a bit on the 4th but due to this annoying fix and the lackluster thronebreaker deals this year, I just feel like my excitement for this game has gone. I'm sure it will return in a few weeks but this year I will be bowing out of spending on the sales. I know whether Kabam gets money from me or not doesn't matter much to them on the grand scale of things but just want to provide my honest feedback. It is a shame because I was actually looking forward to this weekend before being hit with the double-whammy here.

Still love the game, just some of the decisions are really baffling to me. I don't comment much on these forums, only a few times when I feel strongly enough about 2-3 decisions they have made over the last 7 years.

Wfpkstevezilla

For everyone who is upset that it will go live for July, for patches to be placed on android/apple there is lead/lag time involved. The info has probably already been sent out to both platforms and that info will be the July release. It's too late to change that even if they decide to revert which is clearly under debate at best.

GraysonH

This is ridiculous. I have been playing for 1.5 years and had no clue there was a bug in moleman. I just ranked my 6* from 3-4 a couple weeks ago and use him for that true accuracy. There is no way I can read and understamd over 200 players in a year and a half and understand everything about all champs. I would not have wasted a resource like this if I had any idea a bug/nerf situation was pending.. Kabaam needs to address this especially for players in my situation as it took me forever to get a rank 4 6*. What a mess.