So, turns out they're doing another variation of Summoner Camp this year

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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,852 ★★★★★

    I don't get why people are so put off by it. It's not that different. Claim a Calendar, or claim an Objective. All the same, really.

    For me, it's the objectives aspect as well as the fact there is an option to pay for more items. To me, it was better when there was a progression calander and people claimed the items, now you have to do objectives and then pay like $20 to double them. The monetary part just makes it like all those other game events where you do tasks to collect items and ypu can pay to get the other side of those items too. Can't think of them name of those but yeah. Takes the appreciation out for me
    ( and I still won't call it that, and neither have they)
    What is this "that" that is being referred to?
    I refuse to call it Summoner Appreciation because that's not what it is. They wouldn't tie in Appreciation with purchases.
  • winterthurwinterthur Posts: 6,877 ★★★★★
    The first such event came with a reduced Energy Cost for Act 4. Perhaps something similar for Act 7? :D
  • Fredhorst23Fredhorst23 Posts: 1,082 ★★★
    Can someone remind me what the objectives were last time? I seem to remember it was like, defeat 10 enemies or something like that?
  • NockoNocko Posts: 1,126 ★★★★
    Depending on the daily objective it might be ok.
    10 fights did feel a bit annoying even though most summoners are doing that easily

    Make it 5 i think... it's basically 1 path of any quest (be it story or monthly EQ on any difficulty)
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,852 ★★★★★

    I don't get why people are so put off by it. It's not that different. Claim a Calendar, or claim an Objective. All the same, really.

    For me, it's the objectives aspect as well as the fact there is an option to pay for more items. To me, it was better when there was a progression calander and people claimed the items, now you have to do objectives and then pay like $20 to double them. The monetary part just makes it like all those other game events where you do tasks to collect items and ypu can pay to get the other side of those items too. Can't think of them name of those but yeah. Takes the appreciation out for me
    The appreciation ( and I still won't call it that, and neither have they) is from the free Items we get. There's an option to get more if we pay. That's pretty much how the game works. I just don't see the difference between logging on and logging on and clicking a button. Just logging on to claim the Calendar isn't how the game is played. For that matter, it was 10 Fights, if memory serves. Those could be done on Auto in RTTL or any other easy aspect. I can understand the lack of grace days.
    You ask what people's issue with the event is, someone explains to you and you dismiss it.

    It's very different then logging in and collecting from a calender - one is passive and the other is active and requires much more effort; you acknowledge this yourself by claiming "that's not how the game is played", so saying "It's not that different" is either you being willfully ignorant, or intentionally detracting.

    Your responses also point out that you clearly understand WHY people are so put off by it - but how about this as an explanation, since it's something practically everyone, with the exception of you, has already said.

    Because they hate the event. Reading comprehension is fun, helps gather that useful information you claim to just, not be grasping.

    The previous event was tedious, full of issues and only contributed to fatigue. People already have EQ, Side Quests, AQ/AW and now this, even more objectives. It's oversaturation of content, forcing people to spend all their time and energy in game to "keep up". That's not "appreciation" nor is it "appreciation from free items". The items aren't free - time and energy are an even more valuable resource in this game than money and units.

    The game just went through its worst year in terms of bugs and issues, Kabam then decides to bring back an event that their entire player base hated and you're... baffled at the exasperation and disdain people are showing for this news?

    Makes sense.
    I have every right to agree or disagree with someone's points. I didn't get the arguments last year, and I don't now. If you're trying to debate the difference between pressing one button and pressing a couple, then I'm concerned for humanity.
  • Krishna24Krishna24 Posts: 268 ★★
    Still with the bugs and lags in the game they expect us to do more gaming, that's nice move Kabam. Aren't we already frustrated with these issues in other modes and now it just adds more to it.
  • Fredhorst23Fredhorst23 Posts: 1,082 ★★★
    So if the qualifiers are the same everyday as last year, which is 10 fights or whatever, then I can't figure out a problem. It's the bare minimum required to keep folks honest and basically give free stuff. Like any other calendar, if you don't have five minutes to log in then you'll just miss out. If you don't play enough to get a handful of fights in everyday then what makes you think you deserve the rewards? Not to mention they haven't said yet what the deal is this year right? We'll still have like 4 calendars going at all times.
  • booscka2536booscka2536 Posts: 2,143 ★★★
    i liked it so it wasnt universally disliked . i wasmt a fan of the fact ppl were so upset they had to fo 10 fights a day to claim it . if your not doing 10 fights a day you wouldnt be to fazed by whatever the sa theme is
  • booscka2536booscka2536 Posts: 2,143 ★★★

    It’s unbelievable how little they listen to feedback. Everybody hated this event last year, so why run it again? Absolutely baffling.

    i didnt . it was 10 fights if ppl cant do 10 measly fights why would they care what format it is . those 10 fights should be done without effort .
  • Ironside47Ironside47 Posts: 284 ★★★
    To summarise:

    If you live in your mom's basement and play MCOC all day, this event is probably for you.

    If you have a life i.e. family, a job, vacations, hospital appointments, etc, there will definitely be days where you can't complete the objectives.
  • NockoNocko Posts: 1,126 ★★★★
    Nocko said:

    Depending on the daily objective it might be ok.
    10 fights did feel a bit annoying even though most summoners are doing that easily

    Make it 5 i think... it's basically 1 path of any quest (be it story or monthly EQ on any difficulty)

    To further this, they also need to find a way to address the problem of objectives forgetting to be claimed and thus the next one doesnt come up
    I had forgotten that aspect of it

  • booscka2536booscka2536 Posts: 2,143 ★★★

    I don't get why people are so put off by it. It's not that different. Claim a Calendar, or claim an Objective. All the same, really.

    I don’t understand your train of thought. It is a daily reward system like the summoner appreciation of previous years, but they are vastly different in execution. Summoner appreciation was a calendar that automatically rewarded you daily for logging in. The summoner camp event requires you to log in, complete ten fights, then claim an objective point to unlock the next reward. And if you forget to claim the objective, then you lose the next day because a new daily objective would not appear if a point was yet to be claimed. It is entirely more inconvenient to the player base, especially those who have less time on their hands during these months. I personally do not have as much time in July and august, but logging to claim the SA rewards was easy. Completing 10 fights was not really an option on my many busy days.

    Additionally, the rewards were not as appealing nor as streamlined. In SA there was a set list of what you would receive. In SC there are claimable rewards and additional trade in token rewards. It’s become needlessly complicated, considering you use all available tokens to claim all available shop items (limited by summoner resort). Why not just more the store items to the claimable rewards and get rid of the tokens entirely? And finally something that just personally bothers me is that there are days that are absolutely wasted when it comes to some rewards. A surfboard or a sun hat profile pic. A lame summer beach themed title. Those mean nothing to me and the majority of high level players. The low days in SA were at the bare minimum a stack of 1000 gold which still had a use.

    How do you not see this as anything but a massive downgrade?
    I get the next couple moths will be busy . Do you not intend on using the toilet for the next few months . You can literally complete an claim these before you'll need to wipe . Come on y'all be complaining about the most ridicules bs
  • Deadpool87Deadpool87 Posts: 552 ★★★

    To summarise:

    If you live in your mom's basement and play MCOC all day, this event is probably for you.

    If you have a life i.e. family, a job, vacations, hospital appointments, etc, there will definitely be days where you can't complete the objectives.

    You can easily auto fight either the normal event quest or the easy daily iso, catalyst and proving grounds and get your 10 fights done in less than 3 minutes. You can do that while in the bathroom.
  • DRTODRTO Posts: 1,360 ★★★★
    Yeah was not fan of this event, 10 fights does not seem like much but having to do it everyday for like 3 months or whatever it was is just super tedious, especially if aq and aw fights did not count. I think I only got 9 days of it last year, and the awards that you could get did not even seem worth the effort from what I remember. There was literally nothing wrong with the super calendar that they had 2 years ago, that was exciting and seeing the rewards you got at the end was awesome. This event is just a money grab especially since you had to pay for an extra awards boost or whatever that was. Hopefully these objective are more reasonable this year cause if it's super tedious again I'm just gonna skip it again.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,852 ★★★★★


    I have every right to agree or disagree with someone's points. I didn't get the arguments last year, and I don't now. If you're trying to debate the difference between pressing one button and pressing a couple, then I'm concerned for humanity.

    Now, I don't know if this event is going to be a tedious travesty like it was last year - but what I do know it's not going to be as nice as an appreciation calendar. I do know that almost everyone hated last year's event and that almost everyone hates a tiered reward system where you need to pay to actually get the better rewards.

    I started with those comments because that's what people are saying. That's what they're explaining about why they hate this event.

    You absolutely have every right to disagree with someone's points, but you're not doing that. An actual disagreement would be you pointing out how this universally panned event, is the same as logging in and passively gaining rewards. Which, by the way IS "how the game is played" because the login calendar has been part of the game for years and contributes to how players play. See, I responded to you with an actual disagreement involving structure and substance.

    You said you didn't understand why people didn't like the event - well, as shown above people have explained why they didn't like the event and you're not responding to those points.

    Them saying (and explaining) why they hate it and you saying you don't understand is not disagreement, that's you just saying that you can't understand why people are upset that an event they hated last year is being brought back this year - don't really know how to help you with that one, people have explained themselves pretty clearly.

    You also commented on the fact that the rewards are free - but when I pointed out they're not because time and energy are among the most valuable resources we have, you have nothing to say.

    You have every right to disagree and I don't believe that I suggested otherwise once. But you're not doing that, you're intentionally detracting and offering no value while trying to maintain some strawman and I don't appreciate it. Now, if you want to actually respond and provide some insight into why you prefer the summer camp and how there is "practically no difference" between the pay for rewards camp and the passive appreciation calendar. Or why people's exasperation at the return of an event they hated is misplaced - that would be an actual disagreement.




    The game is not played by simply turning it on.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 30,852 ★★★★★
    When I said I don't understand what the issue is, I didn't mean literally. I understood the arguments last year. I just didn't agree with it. We had to run 10 Fights on Auto and claim an Objective. Press a few buttons. Honestly, it's not that different than just turning the game on. You either press one to turn the game on, or you press a few to enter a Quest, Auto 10 Fights, and claim. I'm not really interested in an argument about active or passive. It's literally the same thing. We're not even doing the work.
    I thought it was a frivolous complaint last year, and I still don't agree with it. That's about it.
  • Austin555555Austin555555 Posts: 3,005 ★★★★★
    I’m just happy we get another 3 month event instead of not having one at all.
  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Posts: 5,231 ★★★★★
    You might find answers in one of the half dozen other posts that were created with the same intention.
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