**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
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Buff immune champions getting punished for proccing buffs which they can't proc!
This do not sound right.
This may cause a serious interaction in future alliance wars or other quests.
You can't have it both ways. If you take the benefit of a buff procing but being stopped by immunity, you cannot avoid the penalty of a buff procing but being stopped by immunity. Because in both cases, exactly the same thing is happening.
To clarify a number of questions and points that have been brought up in this thread:
1. Neutralize definitively works the way it is described to work. It lowers buff ability accuracy. This means it lowers the ability accuracy of any ability that is tagged as a buff. (Note: this also means there is no separate "buff ability accuracy" that obeys different rules as ability accuracy).
2. Anything that claims to be immune to ability accuracy modification (or reduction, or whatever) should be immune to Neutralize, because that's what Neutralize does.
3. However, this doesn't always work as stated. The reasons are mostly historical. Once upon a time the way AA immunity was implemented was to make the champion immune to all effects that modified ability accuracy. The problem with this is that it cannot account for future game developments. If you invent some new effect in the future that alters ability accuracy, like say Neutralize, the champion won't be immune to it, because Neutralize did not exist when the champion was created and thus the champion could not be explicitly made immune to that effect at the time.
4. The only way to remedy this would be to remember every champ that was ever made immune to ability accuracy in this way, and adjust them accordingly. However, this is problematic because ability accuracy is not the only effect for which this might be true. It might seem obvious in hindsight to do this, but it would not necessarily be obvious to the developer creating Neutralize. It is important to note that the programmers who code the game engine and the engineers who make mechanics like Neutralize and the designers who use Neutralize in champion design are not the same people. It can be easy to get tunnel-visioned into your own sphere of work and not be fully aware of the impact of that work globally.
5. So when Neutralize was created, many champs who should have been immune to it by design intent were not updated to be so. *Some* champs could have been automatically immune to Neutralize because improved game engine technology eventually allowed developers to make champions immune to the effects of ability accuracy reduction rather than requiring them to be specifically immune to every single ability accuracy modifying effect. These champions are much more likely to retain their immunity to such effects even when new effects are created within the game. But many others like Mysterio are not.
6. This means - at least as a reasonable assumption moving forward - every champ that is stated to be immune to ability accuracy modification *should be* immune to Neutralize (and would have been had the current tech been available to implement them) and thus should be considered bugged. This means at some future point in time, players should assume that, barring some change in intent for those champions, champions that are supposed to be immune to ability accuracy modification but are being affected by Neutralize will be adjusted to make their immunity work correctly.
7. As this requires changing the champion's implementation (either by updating them to use more modern tech or to at least update their list of immunities), this is not something that can happen quickly.
This is my own distillation of my conversation with Kabam, and any translation errors within it are mine alone.
Wiccan isn't that tough - you can avoid his Neutralise by not Parrying him, or remove it with shrug-off. Elsa worked great here.
Alternately, you can largely ignore it with a champion who's immune to Incinerate like... Human Torch, perhaps?
Personally I used a 5/65 Havok in Cav EQ, and soloed him repeatedly, whilst healing from Neutralise-driven Willpower the whole time.
I was wrong when I though neutralise triggered by hitting wiccan like rintrah.
And I completely agree, it wouldn't be an issue if an interaction can be ignored by not parrying.
I slipped up by not reading his abilities.