Terrax Taking Degen By Warlock Why?

So Terrax is supposed to be immune to power drain or burn when fighting metal champions yet he is taking degen from Warlock.

Am I missing something?

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Malreck04

Hmm, might it have something to do with terrax’s power being drained during rock field?

BuggyDClown

I can't be sure but here's my explanation

Terrax can't be power drain or burn by metal champs. But His own ability drains his power which can't be prevented.
Warlock puts degen whenever the power is drain on opponent when Awakened.

So no matter if terrax is power drain immune or power burn, but if other champ have secondary effect via power drain or power burn like warlock, it will occur as it's terrax himself who's doing that.

( Terrax power gets drain whenever he use special and goes in Rock field mode)

Magrailothos

Yeah, Terrax is causing that to himself 🤦

Terrax is a good champion now, but has a few unexpected interactions like this with certain opponents.

He's also got a unique weakness against Psylocke, where all she has to do is block/Dodge for a few seconds, and an Awakened Terrax will Passively Power Lock himself at the end of his Rock Field.

Deacon

if that's the case then it's really stupid. an immunity to it should not be able to be inadvertently canceled by his doing. i mean c'mon man. if true, they need to immediately update the description on his ability to clearly state HE WILL DEGEN HIMSELF WHEN FIGHTING WARLOCK. because then you get into why when i use a special and the same thing is happening as i strike into Peni's sync shield does he not take damage back?

i mean these things really frustrate me ... how, if true, they insert these little ability loopholes.

if this is true, you guys need to update the description immediately @Kabam Miike

AverageDesi

Update who's kit? And with what?

ItsDamien

Why does it need to be updated? It states that his power drains when he uses his SP1. It states on Warlocks sig that when an opponents power is drained they will degen.

His immunity to power drain from metal champs doesn’t mean his own power drain function wouldn’t cause Warlocks sig to activate.

Deacon

not the kit just the description. much like Immortal Abom for instance ... or anyone who self inflicts something and their description says it deals no damage or has no effect etc.

it would just probably be a good idea especially for anyone who takes a champion into a fight and the interactions aren't clearly stated. I fully expected him to be immune to power drain and burn as I'm sure quite a few others only to run into this instance where well he's immune except when he's fighting specific metal champs lol.

I just think Kabam would be served best to point out these loopholes because they are definitely not common nor something the everyday player would even expect. No one says "oh great he's immune to power burn but not against a champ or situation where he'd self inflict" ya know.

Deacon

c'mon man. you can't convince me or anyone else that when this champion was released you immediately said "oh but this won't work against Warlock because he's gonna self inflict it". and i'm not talking about after Warlock throws an SP1 .. this is happening at the start of the fight immediately he takes the degen.

it should be added to the description just as a caution that's all. it never hurts to give the player more knowledge instead of asking them to simply figure out or stumble into these situations.

ItsDamien

It’s added on Warlocks Sig ability. When an opponent is power drained they degen. This is universal and doesn’t state the power drain needs to come from Warlock himself.

Deacon

Been looking for Terrax fights online against Warlock and stumbled upon this footage from last year in which the degen is NOT happening. so this was not always the case ... so what changed?

AverageDesi

Nowhere in his kit does it state that he is immune to power drain or power burn. It is a very conditional statement that says he is immune to power drain effects FROM #metal.

Nothing is stopping him from power draining himself.

The power drain itself does not cause any damage. It's the sig of warlock that causes damage and it is a completely different effect that as far as I know no one is immune to.

There's thousands of interactions in game . Including them in champions kit is absolutely ridiculous and would exponentially increase the champions kit description.

Deacon

I "guess" that makes the most sense but still. Thanks bro. I often forget that you can't ask a simple, genuine question without all the aggression around here lol

I just honestly think this kind of small loophole could be more clearly explained. Especially when the instance of it is not always consistent as I pointed out above with Pep.

AverageDesi

Sorry but you're the one who came in guns blazing pointing fingers at kabam and calling the interaction stupid and whatnot and tagging miike for some reason??
The only one being aggresive is you

Deacon

that's fair. it's the internet though. often times you can't read intent. i make the mistake sometimes as well. forum life though ..it conditions you to be defensive in most cases i suppose.

TitoBandito187

I mean, he has a point. If it was one way before and another way now, which is the "intended" way for this interaction to be happening? Was something changed and if so, when? Was it changed to make the interaction correct now or was something changed with an unintended consequence? I don't agree with the tone of the questions previously, but these are certainly legitimate concerns that should receive an official response for clarity instead of making the forum users guess back and forth. Let's avoid the moleman scenario and get some genuine Mod feedback. That isn't too much to ask, is it?

crogs

Loophole or just a counter? There are many counters to champs' abilities. This would be one of them. So it'd be like you asking kabam to spell out all counters to a champ's abilities in their bio.

TyEdge

So, this question is important with Warlock looming as our fourth EOP champ. Lemme be clear - I absolutely get the interaction here and it’s fine to me in this case. If the game team doesn’t agree, code it as something besides a power drain. It reminds me of kingpin versus void - a class advantage and it turns into a nightmare.

Here’s why I’m bothered - look at a node like Bishop’s power actuator node in this EOP. If it’s a cheap way to access unavoidable damage in fight design, I don’t want it.

DNA3000

Descriptions should explicitly state what the abilities do. But it is not reasonable to require that they state how every single interaction with every other champion will go. That isn't just impractical, it isn't even desirable. There are some things the player should discover for themselves. If an ability A says it does X, and an ability B says whenever X happens Y also happens, the player should deduce what will happen when they combine, or experience it if they can't. They shouldn't be told "well, I know you *think* this won't happen even though the plain text says it will happen because you think it shouldn't happen even if the game tells you it will happen, but trust me it will happen."

If this was an exception, I might consider otherwise, but this is not an exception. This is a case where the black letter text says it will happen, and someone thinks it shouldn't happen so the game should emphasize that what it says will happen will in fact happen. That's not something the game should ever do, because it turns the players into mindless zombies that need to be hand-held through the game.

BuggyDClown

If that happens, then terrax will be nightmare for metal champs . He will remain in rock field for eternity.