Kabam why Gorr got screwed up

I mean he is such a powerful and cool character. Why do you make him so vulnerable to suicides mastery as you know suicides are so important in the game. Such a letdown. You always screw up the powerful champs in the comics.

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ItsDamien

Suicides are important…. For arena grinding.

I switched off them months ago and it’s been the best decision I made.

Rvz

What do you guys think of Gorr btw?

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Khellendros138

They've made plenty of Champs who work very well, and even greatly benefit from suicides. It makes sense that they would make some leaning the other way as well.

Colinwhitworth69

If you die because you're running the bleed and poison masteries, you're doing it wrong.

The goal is not suicide. The goal is enhanced attack and willpower healing. Maybe some health loss, but not total.

Anyway, most folks do not run those masteries, so Gorr is designed just fine.

TeufelHunden

If it's in the game as an option, there must be some importance/significance, right?

TeufelHunden

Suicides are obviously not for everyone

Suicides are obviously not for everyone, however, I love them and take the good with the bad. One way that helps me with running suicides with champs like my 6* r3 Nick Furry is that I run 3 points in coagulate. I still use my specials with no fear and just heal up if needed (in the decoy). With my 6* r3 Dr. Doom, I can run 2-3 doom cycles (with 3 points in coagulate) and again, just heal up as needed. If you're running suicides, you have to take the good with the bad, Gorr will be fine.

You may also plan ahead if you're going to use Gorr to take off suicides. Use auntmai to manage the costs to fit your budget. It's not as bad as you may think. Hope this helps.

Captainaiden

Gorr is ok

Shiroihara

It’s very subjective. Suicides are expensive enough to unblock and you already “pay the price” when you use champions that are not immune to both debuffs and via recoil. That’s fair enough.

I’d prefer it though if new champions were not completely inviable with suicides or Kabam made switching masteries free.

Shadowstrike

But that screws up how all Champions are to be designed because at that point you're not trying to have any kind of comic accuracy but just this uniformed belief that every Champion should automatically be friendly with those masteries. I mean if the whole point about this is to create a wide variety of characters, that means taking the good with the bad and the bad thing is not everyone is immune to everything.

Shiroihara

I believe the OP was referring to Gorr not benefiting from willpower.
Comic accuracy doesn’t seem to be a priority when designing a champ. We have plenty of examples were immunities are applied without explanation.
As I said, I’m happy to take the disadvantage that is clear when you unlock suicides. Only that lately we’re seeing a lot of heal blocks in nodes and making a champion not benefit from willpower when apparently the regen is not that great…

Panchulon21

It’s your choice to run suicides though, kabam doesn’t need to cater to your use of suicides. This is why folks in higher tiers lay 200 units down every war so they can remove suicides to not give people an easy time on their defenders. There are more folks who don’t use suicide than do and also if you really want to be comic accurate willpower is not.. only a few champion truly have the ability to regenerate their body. When’s the last time you noticed starlord have the ability to heal on wim?

Vendemiaire

That 180° shift in tone was faster than a Ferrari. Lol.

Shiroihara

I was replying to ShadowStrike and agreeing with you on the comic accuracy matter, actually.

It is interesting that a lot of you seem to think that if you decide to use suicides then you’re fair game for Kabam to make you suffer in whichever way they see fit.
Hopefully most of the player base would agree with making mastery switches free or at least less punishing. But who knows, we’ve proven that we’re masochists over the last few months.
As a non spender, it took me years to unlock them and I don’t want to be using units every two minutes because of fight designs.

Shiroihara

I get your point. It just feels cheeky on their part to give you this endgame piece of utility and then penalise it more and more.
I think free mastery changes would be the fair thing to do. That way they can do anything in terms of nodes and champions and it would open up the game to budget players like myself.
It's been said before, you work hard to earn those units to unlock masteries. It doesn't seem fair to be charging for it every time you move points. Imagine they charged units every time you change your questing or AW team.

Shiroihara

We're going to have to disagree on that one. My main point remains that I'd like to have the flexibility to adapt to a fight with the resources I already earned - champions, masteries - without paying taxes.

ItsDamien

That’s literally not what they’re doing. Adaptation means that you know when to turn those masteries off and turn them on.

Shiroihara

How is that different from what I said? I only said that it should be free.

Mackey

I have always wondered .... what is the appeal with suicides other than to arena grinders? I have never needed (nor wanted) to unlock them, I dont believe there is a single piece of content where you will NEED them 🤔. Each to their own and all that but I'm just after some insight from suicide users

Wicket329

There are champions who work well with the recoil masteries and champions that don’t. Omega Red works well with them. DDHK does not. Diablo works well with them. Gorr does not. The list goes on, but you get the idea. Additionally, there are multiple synergies and teams you can build to make champions who aren’t good for that mastery setup on their base kit actually very friendly to it.

Running those masteries is a tradeoff. You get a ton of extra damage and, from some champions, utility and sustainability. In exchange, you give up the survivability of champions who do not work well with them. But what people seem to forget is not running them is also a tradeoff. I’ve had like a sig 80 6* Diablo since before his buff and I haven’t ranked him because I don’t run the recoil tree. Same reason I haven’t invested in my 6* awakened Omega Red, or several other champions who get massive benefits from that mastery setup.

I find special spamming champions to be very fun, and that is antithetical to recoil in most instances. Imagine running Sorcerer Supreme with it active. So I don’t run it. I don’t come here and complain that my preferred playstyle and champions don’t mesh with these masteries, I just recognize that it’s a trade that I am making and move on. That’s the deal with Gorr now, he’s bad with liquid courage and double edge, and that’s okay.

StephD87

I completely understand and agree that if you want suicides you have to suck it up and take the double DOT and recoil if you want the added damage. That being said I also would love to be able to switch between masteries that have already been purchased and not have to spend units on changing masteries.

Rockypantherx

Something that isn’t totally related to the discussion unfolding here around the general usability of suicides, but I actually think Gorr might be intended to work with suicides, or at least tolerate them

On his spotlight where it discusses the regen he gets when cycling through his shadow magic buffs while inflicted with the corresponding debuff it states:

“The second two bullet points here are also very important because they make Gorr more friendly towards the Liquid Courage and Double Edge Masteries. By repeatedly cycling through his Shadow Magic, he’s able to continually re-trigger this Regeneration Buff and negate the damage taken from those Masteries.”

It’s also mentioned in the recommended masteries section in relation to the recovery mastery. So the fact this has been mentioned makes me think he maybe isn’t as friendly to suicides as he was maybe intended to be. Could be something we see changed in rebalancing, could not be (although he needs far more than just being suicide friendly to be frank)