Unbalanced Scarlet Witch

Scarlet Witch sp2 si taking too much damage. It's an abuse.

Same happened with hood and kabam nerfed it a day after. Hope the same happens with scarlet witch.

Comments

LBN1

It's completely RNG based, and so inconsistent that no change is needed. For example, with a full synergy team (OG Witch, QuickSilver, Sigil Witch, Wiccan and CAIW), my 5* rank 5 sig 200 OG Witch has gone 0 for 5 to Auto-fight ROL Winter Soldier, she got knocked out every time. How is that so over powered it needs to be nerfed?

Kabam Miike

Hey everybody,

We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.

We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.

H3t3r

I had a feeling they would cap it to 3. Good change IMO.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

NGL, I was thinking they would most likely cap the prowess rather than just decrease its potency.

ESF

A cap on the Prowess is fair — I am curious what the data would show after a few months with no change, but I also understand why it’s going to be done before the Quicksilver arenas start.

hefy2000

Hey everybody,

We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.

We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.

Best course of action imo. 3 prowess is still ~400k damage with decent rng, in line with bursty special champs like Sunspot. Also glad to see a resolution before Quicksilver’s general release.

SuelGames

still dont understand why everyone came here to complain about a champ being too good, its not like its an annoying defender.. cause she s one of the easiest. But hey lets go after kabam for making something that will help us too much!!

ESF

Hey everybody,

We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.

We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.
Best course of action imo. 3 prowess is still ~400k damage with decent rng, in line with bursty special champs like Sunspot. Also glad to see a resolution before Quicksilver’s general release.

I think that’s the important part — yeah, we all remember when the game was simpler and SWitch was busted so badly that they had to do something, but that was a long time ago. I think, if people really want to play the kit and Kabam wants it to be in-line with the top tier of kits in 2022, the Prowess synergy actually was/is a good idea and I am glad that the kit is modernized via synergy for this era

SuelGames

still dont understand why everyone came here to complain about a champ being too good, its not like its an annoying defender.. cause she s one of the easiest. But hey lets go after kabam for making something that will help us too much!!
Just a hypothetical, do you think that it's possible for a champion to be too good? If you could take it to an extreme, then is there any ability or damage level a champion could have that is too good?

Nope, if its helping me clear content, i wont ever complain

TheBair123

still dont understand why everyone came here to complain about a champ being too good, its not like its an annoying defender.. cause she s one of the easiest. But hey lets go after kabam for making something that will help us too much!!
Just a hypothetical, do you think that it's possible for a champion to be too good? If you could take it to an extreme, then is there any ability or damage level a champion could have that is too good?
Nope, if its helping me clear content, i wont ever complain

That’s a horrible mindset to have. If there was a champion in the game that could just roll through content in half a second, it wouldn’t be fun. I know you’re saying you wouldn’t complain, but I guarantee you that you wouldn’t enjoy it

nahhorne

i think we all knew that the synergy was either gonna change or be capped, but capping the prowess at 3 feels like a dramatic overcorrection. I figured it’d be 5. while these highlight reels flaunted massive damage, it’s still impractical, or unavailable, in the only meaningful game modes (aw and bg).

i’m also curious if the fix will refresh on new procs or just proc nothing and the others will continue to expire as is.

Scopeotoe987

5 in my opinion is a solid place to set it

Worknprogress

still dont understand why everyone came here to complain about a champ being too good, its not like its an annoying defender.. cause she s one of the easiest. But hey lets go after kabam for making something that will help us too much!!
Just a hypothetical, do you think that it's possible for a champion to be too good? If you could take it to an extreme, then is there any ability or damage level a champion could have that is too good?
Nope, if its helping me clear content, i wont ever complain

You realize having champs that are too good leads to content designed that only they can clear and reduces the rest of the champs in the game to being effectively useless right?

Luckylefty01

The damage is rng based and cannot be replicated in every fight. There are champs that gain prowess and end fights just an quickly as this synergy.

Adjusting it just a few hours after the deals ended is a slap in the face to summoners.
Thought kabam had an entire balancing system in place to make adjustments at a later date.

hefy2000

slap in the face

We made it 4 pages in this thread without someone dropping these dreaded words. I knew it wouldn't last.

Kennado

Why do people complain about this stuff? And its with a synergy. We have champs like CGR, Hercules and Magneto that do this stuff alone and people want a synergy BASED ON RNG nerfed!. WTF is with this community.

I promise you it comes from the uncollected community. They don't have the champ and they come here to lash out.

VanillaCoke

It’s unfortunate they do this after many people decided to buy Quick Silver for this synergy alone. Poor testing on their part, poor planning, and poor communication. This should serve a reason why people should not buy the early access bundles, at the same time Kabam plays on the “FOMO” psychology. It’s conflicting to see this personally.

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Crine60

Hey everybody,

We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.

We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.

Can you provide any insight into why, if this was a problem, you guys let it go out live like this? There are many comments in here (and countless throughout the forums) talking about the perceived lack of testing/competence and it might be helpful to provide us with some insight into why broken things that players seem to be able to identify immediately (sometimes without even playing but just reading info on it) keep making it into the live game. I do not mean this disrespectfully but these are things that constantly get brought up and an official comment addressing it would be nice.

danielmath

It’s unfortunate they do this after many people decided to buy Quick Silver for this synergy alone. Poor testing on their part, poor planning, and poor communication. This should serve a reason why people should not buy the early access bundles, at the same time Kabam plays on the “FOMO” psychology. It’s conflicting to see this personally.

ya.....pretty sure 0 people bought those crystals for the synergy, most people probably didn't even know it existed

AverageDesi

Some people on this forum were definitely the kids in school who would tell the teacher when people were working in groups on individual assignments
This is like those who shout at people to not tell kabam about the revives in act 3 as if they wouldn’t know
Kabam already knows the strength of the synergy. They’ve already commented on it and confirmed they are looking into it. Constant threads about how it needs to be nerfed are just ridiculous to me.

Those of us who’ve played the game longer than like 6 months are aware this won’t last long. I just don’t get why there are tons of people who feel the need to immediately run to the forums to ask for nerfs for a synergy, but then are completely fine with other synergies that make a champion borderline OP (Apoc-Cable, Scorpion-AV).
So are you saying the threads have no effect on kabams decision? Then what's your issue and the ignorant analogy to snitching?
The analogy is pretty spot on. That’s exactly what everyone is doing. Complaining to the teacher because the synergy is “too powerful” in the same manner that group work is unfair.

If it was a bug sure complain away. But it’s not. And the first time this thread popped up it’s already been acknowledged by kabam. Subsequent posts aren’t going to have any influence on their decision.

Not a single post is going to influence their decision no matter how many false analogies you make. Videos are going to be made regardless of postsand kabam employees will watch those videos and they will make the necessary changes. All threads do is provide a discourse space for summoners and for communication from kabam.

Hawkt1

I ranked her up today

Can I get an rank ticket

nahhorne

It’s unfortunate they do this after many people decided to buy Quick Silver for this synergy alone. Poor testing on their part, poor planning, and poor communication. This should serve a reason why people should not buy the early access bundles, at the same time Kabam plays on the “FOMO” psychology. It’s conflicting to see this personally.

i think this is both unfair to kabam, and dismissive of the fact the cavs had galan/qs in them. there’s plenty to still complain about, namely the input issues being as bad as ever, but anyone who saw the synergy knew it’d be changed. i just think the change was an overcorrection and i wanted to say that before they set this in stone.

Colinwhitworth69

If she had been released with a cap of three prowess, few would have complained. If you crit with three prowess, she’ll do big damage, just nothing nutty.

Question for Kabam: How will her cap work with nodes like this?

Stellar

Hey everybody,

We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.

We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.

If anyone thought Kabam had learned from previous situations by checking and testing BEFORE releasing some new champion/synergy/content, we now have the answer : NO, NOT AT ALL, WHY TESTING WHEN WE CAN GET OUR CUSTOMER MORE FRUSTRATED BY OUR DECISIONS...

Burrito2525

I very much enjoy the synergy and for many practical bits of content, it’s not a team I’d bring in.. I think the nerf is an over correction, and I know some bought QS bundles for the synergy. I for one, enjoy playing switch way more than QS.

What about everyone who forked over 50-100$ to have what they -purchased changed overnight?

And on the topic of change, can someone more IT literate explain how kabamm can easily make this change in code seemingly overnight but some,e other weird bugs and interactions take months/years to fix…. Looking at you moleman, fury bug, kingpin bug, etc..

Wicket329

If she had been released with a cap of three prowess, few would have complained. If you crit with three prowess, she’ll do big damage, just nothing nutty.

Question for Kabam: How will her cap work with nodes like this?

Typically with nodes that grant a limited number of buffs to the attacker, the game can differentiate between personal and node-granted buffs such that they don’t cross streams. Can’t guarantee that, but it’s what I’d imagine will happen.

Also, 3 prowesses is a 300% attack boost, yeah? SW could already hit really hard with good RNG, so an additional 300% on top of that is still wildly impressive and she’ll be hitting harder than most 6* r4 champs. I think that’s plenty fair.

Kabam Miike

Hey everybody,

We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.

We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.
Can you provide any insight into why, if this was a problem, you guys let it go out live like this? There are many comments in here (and countless throughout the forums) talking about the perceived lack of testing/competence and it might be helpful to provide us with some insight into why broken things that players seem to be able to identify immediately (sometimes without even playing but just reading info on it) keep making it into the live game. I do not mean this disrespectfully but these are things that constantly get brought up and an official comment addressing it would be nice.

In 5 minutes of content being live, the community has put in infinite times more playtime than our entire team (including folks that don't even work on games, but let's add them for fun) could do in hundreds of hours. This is not exclusive to our game, and is common in games that are 10x times our size. We will never be able to catch everything. It's not humanly possible with the sheer breadth of the game as is, and how many different points every piece of content touches.

Even the Creators that were testing out Quicksilver didn't catch this. There will always be cases where things slip by, and we can try to mitigate those the best we can, but can't ever promise that they will never happen.

KDoggg2017

It’s unfortunate they do this after many people decided to buy Quick Silver for this synergy alone. Poor testing on their part, poor planning, and poor communication. This should serve a reason why people should not buy the early access bundles, at the same time Kabam plays on the “FOMO” psychology. It’s conflicting to see this personally.
ya.....pretty sure 0 people bought those crystals for the synergy, most people probably didn't even know it existed

/facts.
People usually buy those bundles hoping for the 6* feature champ. Synergies are an afterthought.

Burrito2525

That’s understood but also, it’s not some strange interaction that wasn’t known to happen… it was literally written into how it’s performing. Did no one even play with switch on the kabamm team? I know it’s a complex game but it’s not like this was an unintended effect…

Which I again repeat, is awesome and should stay as is.

Hey everybody,

We have kept an eye on the Scarlet Witch situation and have decided on our actions moving forward. We want to keep her hitting hard, but add an upper limit to the potential damage. As such, we will be capping the Prowess Buffs to 3.

We'll be looking to get this change out in the next couple of days.
Can you provide any insight into why, if this was a problem, you guys let it go out live like this? There are many comments in here (and countless throughout the forums) talking about the perceived lack of testing/competence and it might be helpful to provide us with some insight into why broken things that players seem to be able to identify immediately (sometimes without even playing but just reading info on it) keep making it into the live game. I do not mean this disrespectfully but these are things that constantly get brought up and an official comment addressing it would be nice.
In 5 minutes of content being live, the community has put in infinite times more playtime than our entire team (including folks that don't even work on games, but let's add them for fun) could do in hundreds of hours. This is not exclusive to our game, and is common in games that are 10x times our size. We will never be able to catch everything. It's not humanly possible with the sheer breadth of the game as is, and how many different points every piece of content touches.

Even the Creators that were testing out Quicksilver didn't catch this. There will always be cases where things slip by, and we can try to mitigate those the best we can, but can't ever promise that they will never happen.