Kabam, please test synergies before their release.

GlazzyBearGlazzyBear Member Posts: 135 ★★
edited August 2022 in General Discussion
I'm very disappointed that this is happening all over again. The reed synergy with galan. The sabretooth synergy with sasquatch. The robot synergy with guillotine 2099. Now, with the og witch synergy with quicksilver. Will this just keep on happening in the future? This rising of hype for a champion becoming stronger through synergies; to finally be able to use them in content only for them to be nerfed after their pre-release bundles expire? If these synergies are not what you intended them to be, then why not release them as that way? Has there not been any testing beforehand with these synergies? Because time and time again it just seems like the synergies are written on paper and not actually tested.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,311 ★★★★★
    Tell me you don't know how game development works without telling you don't know how game development works.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,311 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Tell me you don't know how game development works without telling you don't know how game development works.

    I already recommended having a beta, that can be 3 days or a week before the first monthly champs prerelease bundle, that allows us to have a placeholder spot on the team to test these synergies. We wouldn't be able to use the new champion, but we can use their synergies. Many people would have been fine with nerfing the SW synergy before the prerelease bundle than after it, and that could have easily been handled by letting us test it a couple days before.
    So how's that work? How can they prevent you using a champ except for synergies? That's not possible.

    I'd really like to see where all these people were talking about this synergy before QS's release.
  • GlazzyBearGlazzyBear Member Posts: 135 ★★
    I almost forgot! The Odin prefights as well! Not technically a synergy... but close enough! This is the fifth time this has happened!
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,996 Guardian
    Demonzfyre said:

    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Tell me you don't know how game development works without telling you don't know how game development works.

    I already recommended having a beta, that can be 3 days or a week before the first monthly champs prerelease bundle, that allows us to have a placeholder spot on the team to test these synergies. We wouldn't be able to use the new champion, but we can use their synergies. Many people would have been fine with nerfing the SW synergy before the prerelease bundle than after it, and that could have easily been handled by letting us test it a couple days before.
    So how's that work? How can they prevent you using a champ except for synergies? That's not possible.

    I'd really like to see where all these people were talking about this synergy before QS's release.
    It's kabam, they can just code the first slot of the team to be unaccessible by the summoner and have a r1 5* of the new champ in it.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,311 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Tell me you don't know how game development works without telling you don't know how game development works.

    I already recommended having a beta, that can be 3 days or a week before the first monthly champs prerelease bundle, that allows us to have a placeholder spot on the team to test these synergies. We wouldn't be able to use the new champion, but we can use their synergies. Many people would have been fine with nerfing the SW synergy before the prerelease bundle than after it, and that could have easily been handled by letting us test it a couple days before.
    So how's that work? How can they prevent you using a champ except for synergies? That's not possible.

    I'd really like to see where all these people were talking about this synergy before QS's release.
    It's kabam, they can just code the first slot of the team to be unaccessible by the summoner and have a r1 5* of the new champ in it.
    Right. They can't test for synergies according to you all but you want them to code the first slot to not work and make it flawless.

    So say they do that, we can't quest normally for 3 days?
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  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★
    Two of these are bugs. Sabretooth and sasquatch thing was a consequence of soemthing that had existed for ever but no one noticed since barely anyone used sabretooth
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,311 ★★★★★
    Amazing_Demon05 said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Tell me you don't know how game development works without telling you don't know how game development works.

    and you know all about it? apparently game companies make in game stuff and dont test them out. thats how the game development works? is that what you are saying?
    They test but they can't test as much as hundreds of thousands to millions of people can and as many scenarios.

    Doesn't matter how big or little the company is. Unintentional interactions are found all the time in all kinds of games out there because that piece gets into way more hands than employees.
  • LordabckLordabck Member Posts: 297 ★★★
    Visit your nearest Consumer Court.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,311 ★★★★★
    Lordabck said:

    Visit your nearest Consumer Court.


    Good luck.
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  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,311 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Tell me you don't know how game development works without telling you don't know how game development works.

    I already recommended having a beta, that can be 3 days or a week before the first monthly champs prerelease bundle, that allows us to have a placeholder spot on the team to test these synergies. We wouldn't be able to use the new champion, but we can use their synergies. Many people would have been fine with nerfing the SW synergy before the prerelease bundle than after it, and that could have easily been handled by letting us test it a couple days before.
    So how's that work? How can they prevent you using a champ except for synergies? That's not possible.

    I'd really like to see where all these people were talking about this synergy before QS's release.
    It's kabam, they can just code the first slot of the team to be unaccessible by the summoner and have a r1 5* of the new champ in it.
    Right. They can't test for synergies according to you all but you want them to code the first slot to not work and make it flawless.

    So say they do that, we can't quest normally for 3 days?
    I know you're one of the forum trolls, but did you really miss the part where I said beta? Betas are on a separate server.
    Ah yes, the old forum troll insult because we disagree. Regardless of that part, which yes you said beta, beta servers aren't going to be set up to allow for everyone to switch over for 3 days. If there was any value in the happening, Kabam would have done it by now.

    Y'all complain about the live servers the minute there's an emergency maintenance and you want them to expend even further for full fledged beta servers?
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  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,841 Guardian
    Mackey said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Lordabck said:

    Visit your nearest Consumer Court.


    Good luck.
    To me that reads they can change Materials (catalysts etc) and services (fps, server related stuff, support team etc) with or without notice i can't see anything about champions and their synergies/abilities in there.

    Either way, Im not agreeing with you nor with those that are screaming consumer court blah blah, just trying to find how this pic you keep posting everywhere applies to the issue at hand 🤔
    The terms “Materials” and “Services” are capitalized because they are terms defined within the TOS. “Materials” is defined in section 4:



    “Site Items” is further defined in section 14:



    In effect, “Materials” is “everything in every game they operate.”

    As MCOC is a service, you are required by law to agree to the terms of service or your use of the service is unauthorized and you would have to cease.

    For those who disagree with the TOS or alternatively believes the TOS is either not legal or not binding, refusal to agree to it does not then mean they have the right to use the service while ignoring the TOS. You cannot just say I don’t agree to your terms of service, therefore you no longer have any rights to control who uses it. Deliberately playing the game while not honoring the terms of the TOS is a bad faith action in the legal sense of the term. If you attempt to sue the company on the grounds they changed something you feel you had the legal right to preserve, they could probably counter sue for fraud and theft of service.
  • MackeyMackey Member Posts: 1,597 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Mackey said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Lordabck said:

    Visit your nearest Consumer Court.


    Good luck.
    To me that reads they can change Materials (catalysts etc) and services (fps, server related stuff, support team etc) with or without notice i can't see anything about champions and their synergies/abilities in there.

    Either way, Im not agreeing with you nor with those that are screaming consumer court blah blah, just trying to find how this pic you keep posting everywhere applies to the issue at hand 🤔
    The terms “Materials” and “Services” are capitalized because they are terms defined within the TOS. “Materials” is defined in section 4:



    “Site Items” is further defined in section 14:



    In effect, “Materials” is “everything in every game they operate.”

    As MCOC is a service, you are required by law to agree to the terms of service or your use of the service is unauthorized and you would have to cease.

    For those who disagree with the TOS or alternatively believes the TOS is either not legal or not binding, refusal to agree to it does not then mean they have the right to use the service while ignoring the TOS. You cannot just say I don’t agree to your terms of service, therefore you no longer have any rights to control who uses it. Deliberately playing the game while not honoring the terms of the TOS is a bad faith action in the legal sense of the term. If you attempt to sue the company on the grounds they changed something you feel you had the legal right to preserve, they could probably counter sue for fraud and theft of service.
    Again, I dont agree or disagree, I hold no opinion on the matter. You need not of bothered with all that text, I havent bothered to read it lol but I would like to see the outcome of such a case ... through curiosity 🤣👌
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    Mackey said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Mackey said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Lordabck said:

    Visit your nearest Consumer Court.


    Good luck.
    To me that reads they can change Materials (catalysts etc) and services (fps, server related stuff, support team etc) with or without notice i can't see anything about champions and their synergies/abilities in there.

    Either way, Im not agreeing with you nor with those that are screaming consumer court blah blah, just trying to find how this pic you keep posting everywhere applies to the issue at hand 🤔
    The terms “Materials” and “Services” are capitalized because they are terms defined within the TOS. “Materials” is defined in section 4:



    “Site Items” is further defined in section 14:



    In effect, “Materials” is “everything in every game they operate.”

    As MCOC is a service, you are required by law to agree to the terms of service or your use of the service is unauthorized and you would have to cease.

    For those who disagree with the TOS or alternatively believes the TOS is either not legal or not binding, refusal to agree to it does not then mean they have the right to use the service while ignoring the TOS. You cannot just say I don’t agree to your terms of service, therefore you no longer have any rights to control who uses it. Deliberately playing the game while not honoring the terms of the TOS is a bad faith action in the legal sense of the term. If you attempt to sue the company on the grounds they changed something you feel you had the legal right to preserve, they could probably counter sue for fraud and theft of service.
    Again, I dont agree or disagree, I hold no opinion on the matter. You need not of bothered with all that text, I havent bothered to read it lol but I would like to see the outcome of such a case ... through curiosity 🤣👌
    “ To me that reads they can change Materials (catalysts etc) and services (fps, server related stuff, support team etc) with or without notice i can't see anything about champions and their synergies/abilities in there…. just trying to find how this pic you keep posting everywhere applies to the issue at hand”

    That is actually known as holding an opinion on the matter. “To me”, “I can’t see anything about”, “just trying to find out” etc.

    DNA politely took the time to correct and educate you on what you were self-admittedly trying to find out. Then you’re purposely ignoring it in quite a rude way if I’m honest, while claiming you don’t hold an opinion which is contrary to the opinion that you held in the literal previous post.

    Your opinion was that nothing was said about champions or synergies, that was wrong and DNA corrected you that Materials doesn’t mean in game materials - it actually means anything in the game including characters. Meaning your opinion was wrong. At least do someone the courtesy of addressing the posts they make in response to you. This forum is for discussion, which is a two way street.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,841 Guardian
    Mackey said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Mackey said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Lordabck said:

    Visit your nearest Consumer Court.


    Good luck.
    To me that reads they can change Materials (catalysts etc) and services (fps, server related stuff, support team etc) with or without notice i can't see anything about champions and their synergies/abilities in there.

    Either way, Im not agreeing with you nor with those that are screaming consumer court blah blah, just trying to find how this pic you keep posting everywhere applies to the issue at hand 🤔
    The terms “Materials” and “Services” are capitalized because they are terms defined within the TOS. “Materials” is defined in section 4:



    “Site Items” is further defined in section 14:



    In effect, “Materials” is “everything in every game they operate.”

    As MCOC is a service, you are required by law to agree to the terms of service or your use of the service is unauthorized and you would have to cease.

    For those who disagree with the TOS or alternatively believes the TOS is either not legal or not binding, refusal to agree to it does not then mean they have the right to use the service while ignoring the TOS. You cannot just say I don’t agree to your terms of service, therefore you no longer have any rights to control who uses it. Deliberately playing the game while not honoring the terms of the TOS is a bad faith action in the legal sense of the term. If you attempt to sue the company on the grounds they changed something you feel you had the legal right to preserve, they could probably counter sue for fraud and theft of service.
    Again, I dont agree or disagree, I hold no opinion on the matter. You need not of bothered with all that text, I havent bothered to read it lol but I would like to see the outcome of such a case ... through curiosity 🤣👌
    Why would you specifically state you’re trying to find the answer to a question you have no actual interest in, and assert a position in a matter you have no actual opinion on?
  • GeneralNappaGeneralNappa Member Posts: 102 ★
    Demonzfyre said:

    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Tell me you don't know how game development works without telling you don't know how game development works.

    I already recommended having a beta, that can be 3 days or a week before the first monthly champs prerelease bundle, that allows us to have a placeholder spot on the team to test these synergies. We wouldn't be able to use the new champion, but we can use their synergies. Many people would have been fine with nerfing the SW synergy before the prerelease bundle than after it, and that could have easily been handled by letting us test it a couple days before.
    So how's that work? How can they prevent you using a champ except for synergies? That's not possible.

    I'd really like to see where all these people were talking about this synergy before QS's release.
    Ain't reading the whole thread but they already have ? Spots in synergies for coming soon champs. So, that. Unless obviously the synergy is directly for the champ in question. Also, you don't need to know anything about game development to know about proper testing. I used to test app store games for a small company and see if they ran smoothly. Game development is not equal to play testing. You put a group of 10 experienced players/past players on play testing to provide unbiased feedback. It'd go a long way to stop the amount of stuff they're releasing broken.

  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,841 Guardian
    GeneralNappa said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Pikolu said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Tell me you don't know how game development works without telling you don't know how game development works.

    I already recommended having a beta, that can be 3 days or a week before the first monthly champs prerelease bundle, that allows us to have a placeholder spot on the team to test these synergies. We wouldn't be able to use the new champion, but we can use their synergies. Many people would have been fine with nerfing the SW synergy before the prerelease bundle than after it, and that could have easily been handled by letting us test it a couple days before.
    So how's that work? How can they prevent you using a champ except for synergies? That's not possible.

    I'd really like to see where all these people were talking about this synergy before QS's release.
    Ain't reading the whole thread but they already have ? Spots in synergies for coming soon champs. So, that. Unless obviously the synergy is directly for the champ in question. Also, you don't need to know anything about game development to know about proper testing. I used to test app store games for a small company and see if they ran smoothly. Game development is not equal to play testing. You put a group of 10 experienced players/past players on play testing to provide unbiased feedback. It'd go a long way to stop the amount of stuff they're releasing broken.

    It would help to know a little bit about game development, to know that hiring a million dollars a year of staff to solve one problem is not an actionable recommendation.
  • MackeyMackey Member Posts: 1,597 ★★★★★
    edited August 2022
    BitterSteel said:

    Mackey said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Mackey said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Lordabck said:

    Visit your nearest Consumer Court.


    Good luck.
    To me that reads they can change Materials (catalysts etc) and services (fps, server related stuff, support team etc) with or without notice i can't see anything about champions and their synergies/abilities in there.

    Either way, Im not agreeing with you nor with those that are screaming consumer court blah blah, just trying to find how this pic you keep posting everywhere applies to the issue at hand 🤔
    The terms “Materials” and “Services” are capitalized because they are terms defined within the TOS. “Materials” is defined in section 4:



    “Site Items” is further defined in section 14:



    In effect, “Materials” is “everything in every game they operate.”

    As MCOC is a service, you are required by law to agree to the terms of service or your use of the service is unauthorized and you would have to cease.

    For those who disagree with the TOS or alternatively believes the TOS is either not legal or not binding, refusal to agree to it does not then mean they have the right to use the service while ignoring the TOS. You cannot just say I don’t agree to your terms of service, therefore you no longer have any rights to control who uses it. Deliberately playing the game while not honoring the terms of the TOS is a bad faith action in the legal sense of the term. If you attempt to sue the company on the grounds they changed something you feel you had the legal right to preserve, they could probably counter sue for fraud and theft of service.
    Again, I dont agree or disagree, I hold no opinion on the matter. You need not of bothered with all that text, I havent bothered to read it lol but I would like to see the outcome of such a case ... through curiosity 🤣👌
    “ To me that reads they can change Materials (catalysts etc) and services (fps, server related stuff, support team etc) with or without notice i can't see anything about champions and their synergies/abilities in there…. just trying to find how this pic you keep posting everywhere applies to the issue at hand”

    That is actually known as holding an opinion on the matter. “To me”, “I can’t see anything about”, “just trying to find out” etc.

    DNA politely took the time to correct and educate you on what you were self-admittedly trying to find out. Then you’re purposely ignoring it in quite a rude way if I’m honest, while claiming you don’t hold an opinion which is contrary to the opinion that you held in the literal previous post.

    Your opinion was that nothing was said about champions or synergies, that was wrong and DNA corrected you that Materials doesn’t mean in game materials - it actually means anything in the game including characters. Meaning your opinion was wrong. At least do someone the courtesy of addressing the posts they make in response to you. This forum is for discussion, which is a two way street.
    No that is merely me interpreting what I read, not my opinion

    I guess you could say I'm speculating
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