I find it kinda stupid that BWDO is considered a variant in the game...

Maybe theres something I dont know, is the og Black widow not... this one? It's just that BWDO is her from the time period of the movie

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JragonMaster170

They're from different time periods. Even though they're the same, they're from different timelines.

TheBair123

From the MCU, BWDO and BW Classic are the same person (Natasha Romanoff) from the same universe. I guess in this game they might be from different multiverses? That would be weird, and very contradictory to what we've seen in the MCU

JragonMaster170

From the MCU, BWDO and BW Classic are the same person (Natasha Romanoff) from the same universe. I guess in this game they might be from different multiverses? That would be weird, and very contradictory to what we've seen in the MCU

I think it's something like how Endgame featured past movies as different multiverses. Technically, it was still them, but from another time period and multiverse.

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Darkraw346

From the MCU, BWDO and BW Classic are the same person (Natasha Romanoff) from the same universe. I guess in this game they might be from different multiverses? That would be weird, and very contradictory to what we've seen in the MCU

Exactly

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Well this game doesn't follow MCU or comics. It has his own universes with it's own laws and rules (also why iceman isn't immune to coldsnap).

The BW's are both same "person", but different characters here. Seems like one of them is from other universe

Darkraw346

Well this game doesn't follow MCU or comics. It has his own universes with it's own laws and rules (also why iceman isn't immune to coldsnap).

The BW's are both same "person", but different characters here. Seems like one of them is from other universe

Welp it is what it is...
Guess they are doing this cuz we dont really have many variants in the game

Colinwhitworth69

What else do you find stupid? Because I'm fascinated...

Malreck04

As it is with most marvel projects, don't think about it

Words to live by

Squirrelguy

To be fair, if there are infinite multiverses, there is likely one that is infinitesimally different than ours, so she could have all the same characteristics as our BWDO, but instead, in her universe, maybe Cosmo the space dog is actually a chihuahua or something. That's the thing with multiverses, they can be infinitely different, or practically the same.

Darkraw346

What else do you find stupid? Because I'm fascinated...

Come on, it's just like they will say that Hulkbuster is a variant of Iron man from the multiverse
Dosent that sound stupid?
Or that Ronin is a variant of Hawkeye from another universe

Darkraw346

To be fair, if there are infinite multiverses, there is likely one that is infinitesimally different than ours, so she could have all the same characteristics as our BWDO, but instead, in her universe, maybe Cosmo the space dog is actually a chihuahua or something. That's the thing with multiverses, they can be infinitely different, or practically the same.

Yeah,but I'm sure that's not what they did here...
Well who knows maybe there are several versions of the same character in the battlerealm

Eb0ny-O-M4w

What else do you find stupid? Because I'm fascinated...
Come on, it's just like they will say that Hulkbuster is a variant of Iron man from the multiverse
Dosent that sound stupid?
Or that Ronin is a variant of Hawkeye from another universe

Well, they might be. Since they both exist in the same universe despite being the same "person"

Darkraw346

What else do you find stupid? Because I'm fascinated...
Come on, it's just like they will say that Hulkbuster is a variant of Iron man from the multiverse
Dosent that sound stupid?
Or that Ronin is a variant of Hawkeye from another universe
Well, they might be. Since they both exist in the same universe despite being the same "person"

Ok I understand now,but then this is a different kind of multiverse... one that you can find only in a place such as the battlerealm

ItsDamien

What else do you find stupid? Because I'm fascinated...
Come on, it's just like they will say that Hulkbuster is a variant of Iron man from the multiverse
Dosent that sound stupid?
Or that Ronin is a variant of Hawkeye from another universe

Wow… I can’t wait until the MCU touches on the idea of one character meeting themselves but they’re from a different universe. Definitely hasn’t happened so far!

/s

Kabam Miike

To add another wrinkle to this... Time doesn't work quite the same way in the Battlerealm as we're used to either. The 80s both happened 40 years ago, but is also a physical place that you can travel to.

Black Widow from yesterday and Black Widow from Tomorrow both exist at the same time, and can even be in the same place, but are they the same person? Maybe. Maybe Not.

Wine_Lover

To add another wrinkle to this... Time doesn't work quite the same way in the Battlerealm as we're used to either. The 80s both happened 40 years ago, but is also a physical place that you can travel to.

Black Widow from yesterday and Black Widow from Tomorrow both exist at the same time, and can even be in the same place, but are they the same person? Maybe. Maybe Not.

This can only mean one thing MCOC Babies!

SummonerNR

To add another wrinkle to this... Time doesn't work quite the same way in the Battlerealm as we're used to either. The 80s both happened 40 years ago, but is also a physical place that you can travel to.

Black Widow from yesterday and Black Widow from Tomorrow both exist at the same time, and can even be in the same place, but are they the same person? Maybe. Maybe Not.

“but are they the same person?”
Well, YES they are. Unless it has been specified that indeed they are from different multi-verses.

A “timeline” is not the same as a “multiverse”
Yourself in present day (whatever that means when in the BattleRealm), and yourself from 20 years ago, are the SAME person. Even if the Collector has pulled both of you out from your own relative time within that timeline. You can both exist together in BR, and they are both you.

Doesn’t mean that Kabam/Marvel could not have made the decision that both the 2 different BW's are indeed from different Multiverses (so 20 years or whatever the time difference was, in future of BWDO could end up being quite different from OG BW). But don’t think that had ever been stipulated before ??

Think we just assumed that they were just different points in time from her same timeline (same multiverse).

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Both Cyclops are the same person but only one of them is effective.

Darkraw346

To add another wrinkle to this... Time doesn't work quite the same way in the Battlerealm as we're used to either. The 80s both happened 40 years ago, but is also a physical place that you can travel to.

Black Widow from yesterday and Black Widow from Tomorrow both exist at the same time, and can even be in the same place, but are they the same person? Maybe. Maybe Not.

I guess normally they are, but in the battlerealm, when they co exist... they becomes different

Sundance_2099

Some of the quest dialogue indicates some characters are the same people in different outfits (IMIW seems to be the same as OG IM, in a new suit) but others are apparently different variants from other timelines. Symbiote Spidey is not Classic. Stealthy and Sparky seem to be different variants. Plus, there's like 3 versions of (at least ostensibly) the same symbiote in the game being worn by Symbiote Spidey, Venom and Agent Venom.

DNA3000

To add another wrinkle to this... Time doesn't work quite the same way in the Battlerealm as we're used to either. The 80s both happened 40 years ago, but is also a physical place that you can travel to.

Black Widow from yesterday and Black Widow from Tomorrow both exist at the same time, and can even be in the same place, but are they the same person? Maybe. Maybe Not.
“but are they the same person?”
Well, YES they are. Unless it has been specified that indeed they are from different multi-verses.

A “timeline” is not the same as a “multiverse”
Yourself in present day (whatever that means when in the BattleRealm), and yourself from 20 years ago, are the SAME person. Even if the Collector has pulled both of you out from your own relative time within that timeline. You can both exist together in BR, and they are both you.

Doesn’t mean that Kabam/Marvel could not have made the decision that both the 2 different BW's are indeed from different Multiverses (so 20 years or whatever the time difference was, in future of BWDO could end up being quite different from OG BW). But don’t think that had ever been stipulated before ??

Think we just assumed that they were just different points in time from her same timeline (same multiverse).

Marvel almost certainly leaves this ambiguous, because it does them no favors to clarify. The rules of the Battlerealm are "different" specifically to afford the developers as much freedom as possible within the limits Marvel wants to allow. In effect, the situation in the Battlerealm is analogous to the situation in the Marvel ABC TV series (Agents of SHIELD and Agent Carter). Are they set in the main MCU? Probably not, but they never specifically wanted to make such a declaration. In an infinite multiverse, it was always possible to say AoS did not exist in 616, but did exist in a universe indistinguishable from 616 to any extent necessary.

Marvel isn't the only IP that does this. Are all the James Bond movies about the same person? Yes and no. They literally can't all be, and yet they are all canon. Just because. And then there's DC's version of this: Hypertime. Hypertime tries to address some of these issues in a different way than Marvel's current "variant" idea. Instead of multiple versions of the same character, there's only one version and instead of the character "splitting" into different versions, it is reality that splits into different versions, with the same "person" traversing different reality "currents." Or rather, that's the thirty second version.

phil56201

OG BW is kinda non-specific. More of a generic version based on the comics. There were no movie specific designs until the AOU versions of Ultron, Vision, and Hulkbuster came into the game in May 2015.

What else do you find stupid? Because I'm fascinated...
Come on, it's just like they will say that Hulkbuster is a variant of Iron man from the multiverse
Dosent that sound stupid?
Or that Ronin is a variant of Hawkeye from another universe

That is kinda the case, though. Hawkeye for instance, is based on the look he had in the comic series by Matt Fraction. While Ronin is clearly based on the version from Avengers Endgame.

The game is full of variations of characters from different realities, dimensions etc. The concept of alternate realities has been a big part of Marvel for decades.

DNA3000

What else do you find stupid? Because I'm fascinated...
Come on, it's just like they will say that Hulkbuster is a variant of Iron man from the multiverse
Dosent that sound stupid?
Or that Ronin is a variant of Hawkeye from another universe

Keep in mind that classic Iron Man himself is a variant. He cannot literally be the OG Iron Man from -616 just removed from the timeline. Because if he is, then there's no Iron Man in the -616 Universe anymore, unless you believe every single champion in Battlerealm is destined to somehow magically be returned to the moment they left without any injury or loss, at some point in the future. That seems unlikely.

He can be a copy, but he cannot really be the original. There has to be some other Iron Man that lived out his life in the -616 original timeline that we all read about in the comics and wasn't kidnapped to Battlerealm from the past.

Sundance_2099

To add another wrinkle to this... Time doesn't work quite the same way in the Battlerealm as we're used to either. The 80s both happened 40 years ago, but is also a physical place that you can travel to.

Black Widow from yesterday and Black Widow from Tomorrow both exist at the same time, and can even be in the same place, but are they the same person? Maybe. Maybe Not.
“but are they the same person?”
Well, YES they are. Unless it has been specified that indeed they are from different multi-verses.

A “timeline” is not the same as a “multiverse”
Yourself in present day (whatever that means when in the BattleRealm), and yourself from 20 years ago, are the SAME person. Even if the Collector has pulled both of you out from your own relative time within that timeline. You can both exist together in BR, and they are both you.

Doesn’t mean that Kabam/Marvel could not have made the decision that both the 2 different BW's are indeed from different Multiverses (so 20 years or whatever the time difference was, in future of BWDO could end up being quite different from OG BW). But don’t think that had ever been stipulated before ??

Think we just assumed that they were just different points in time from her same timeline (same multiverse).
Are all the James Bond movies about the same person? Yes and no. They literally can't all be, and yet they are all canon.

WRONG! There are only 2 James Bonds in the movies, Daniel Craig and everyone before him. There is clear and demonstrable continuity from Doctor No to Die Another Day to say that they are the same person, being played by different actors, in the same continuity in the same way Mark Ruffalo and Ed Norton are both MCU!Bruce Banner and Terrance Howard and Don Cheadle are both MCU!Rhodey.

The Bond movies prior to Casino Royale clearly operate on a similar sliding timescale to the Marvel comics 616 universe that assumes they take place 'now' but that 'now' is moving forward from the 1960s through to the early 2000s.

SummonerNR

And then there's DC's version of this: Hypertime. Hypertime tries to address some of these issues in a different way than Marvel's current "variant" idea. Instead of multiple versions of the same character, there's only one version and instead of the character "splitting" into different versions, it is reality that splits into different versions, with the same "person" traversing different reality "currents." Or rather, that's the thirty second version.

TLTR: science stuff, or just skip it.

Above is part of the whole problem with time travel, or being plucked out of your multiverse at say an earlier time point by the Collector, etc.

Does that cause a split at that point, creating a parallel “verse”. Just like the proverbial going back in time and changing the past, is it really changed or is it just changed for the “verse” that was split off at that point and going forward in that one. Leaving the original “verse” unchanged without you having gone back in time.

Similar to how some would hypothesize that for every decision anyone makes, there is a split that occurs, and so there are basically infinitesimal growing number of “verses” out there. So the 616 verse is actually constantly spitting into multiple 616's all the time.

Or is there really just a single 616 “verse” that is indeed fluid, where changing the past does actually affect the future in that same verse (because it never gets split apart). So going back and fixing “Thanos's snap” really does change things instead of making another split into 2 different versions of 616.

And that the different multiverse #’s as Marvel uses were actually different parallel “verses” that have always co-existed (but never increasing exponentially in number).

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(and, just because, I’ll throw in my interpretation of known “time travel”)

Starting with how traveling at higher speeds (say out into space and back, magnified as you get nearer and nearer to speed of light) slows your relative time down compared to those “statically” remaining on earth.

But since a constant speed between 2 parties is relative (which one is really moving ? after the astronaut has de-accelerating into a constant speed), I would contend it is actually the acceleration needed to achieve higher speeds (or to sustain an orbit) which is causing the effect, and not the speed itself.

And thus it would be because of different acceleration rates of a clock (ie, GPS satellite) in space compared to those on the ground that causes the measurable time difference between them (not the faster speed that the satellite is traveling at in orbit).
Now for those saying you’re not accelerating here on earth when you are just standing still, we all are accelerating around the earth's core (else we would all just fly off the earth in a straight line into space).
And the GPS satellite is thus accelerating at a different rate (further from the earth's core) than what we are here on the earth's surface.

If you could somehow just “drop off” a satellite at a fixed point in space (ignoring gravity) and 1 year later pick it back up again after we have circled the sun (but the satellite has not circled the sun) the opposite time effect would be seen.

Either way, that is how one can “move forward in time”, by not really moving forward in time but rather just having slowed their relative time down.

It is the going backward in time that is of course the problem.

Magrailothos

Well this game doesn't follow MCU or comics. It has his own universes with it's own laws and rules (also why iceman isn't immune to coldsnap).

The BW's are both same "person", but different characters here. Seems like one of them is from other universe

Wait, Iceman isn't immune to cold snap?

That makes no sense at all - why has no one posted about this before... 😉

Longshot_33

Lets get down to brass tacks here and stop beating about the bush. Its so they can make more money. They can only release so many new characters so it helps tremendously if they can release 3-5 versions of each character.
The logical thing would be to have skins or load outs for each character so when you pick wolverine you would choose which version to play but since its more lucrative to sell you the same character 5 times that is what we have. All of this mutiverse and time, space bs is just window dressing. As with everything in life the answer is simply money.

Sundance_2099

Mate, you clearly never played Future Fight. They have uniforms for characters on there and they're monetised because you need premium currency to get them ($$$ for each update since you can't get the crystals fast enough for every uni every month) and you then need to upgrade the uniforms to get the maximum out of them and that takes rare materials so by the time you've maxed out the uni, a new one's come along. If they wanted to, Kabam could've gone that route and instead of Classic, Symbiote, Sparky and Stealthy, we'd have uniforms for them, plus probably shid like the homebrew suit from Homecoming, the Advanced Suit from FFH, the Integrated suit from NWH, the Iron Spider from IW and 3 different comic suits.

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