Dual crystal controversy

I love this as much as the next guy, and I understand people have a problem with the price. But let me throw another hat into the ring, doesn’t this finally coming to the game also invalidate the top prize for TB. For the summer event, it feels kind if insulting to make f2p player wait THREE MONTHS. Then drop their top prize for an extra 2.5k the cost of a basic.

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TyEdge

Thanks for making this its own topic. It definitely couldn’t have been posted in any of the other threads addressing the pros and cons of the decision.

LordSmasher

I think someone overthought the problem. Dual crystals aren't great, they just help you isoloate your bad pull to a couple of flavours.
No reason they should cost more.
Now a crystal that reduced the odds of getting a duplicate....that would be great.

GinjabredMonsta

Sounds like a crystal to wish for

LeNoirFaineant

I agree. I eventually got the champs I was after from the 5* duals but it took so many crystals. Can't see doing that if the crystals cost more.

Stellar

Basic 4 stars crystal => 2000 shards
Dual 4 stars crystals => 2000 shards

Basic 5 stars crystal => 10 000 shards
Dual 5 stars crystals => 10 000 shards

Basic 6 stars crystal => 10 000 shards
Dual 6 stars crystals => 12 500 shards !!!

Why make the 6 dual 6 stars crystal more expensive than the basic when every other dual crystal have the same cost than their basic counterpart ?

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Demonzfyre

Let me state that I think 10k should have been fine. But.... I understand what Miike said.

When 5* dual class crystals were released, 6*'s were already the meta. 5*'s weren't what people were aiming for. Being that there isn't any competition for 6*'s in terms of a higher rarity, it does make sense for the higher price since they aren't being pushed away for 7*'s. So the reason given makes sense in those terms.

Again, 10k probably would have been just fine.

Wakandas_Finest

I’m cool with the price and the reasoning behind it. I just wish kabam would have communicated earlier that this was being considered. Oh well time to hoard some shards for the cosmic/tech crystal

TyEdge

When 5-star dual class crystals were released, we were still a month from Thronebreaker even existing. Variant 5 was the only variant with t5cc (random 25%) and 7.1 hadn’t been released. The only people with r3 6-stars were Abyss people and whales, and many specific champs were more valuable as 5-stars due to the unavailability of 6-star sig stones. There also wasn’t a cavalier EQ at this point.

TyEdge

The extra star meant almost nothing at the time because few if any 6-stars could proceed meaningfully beyond what a 5-star was. It was an investment for a distant future when r3 and r4 mats would become plentiful.

In August 2020, if you had a chance to dupe Cap or Void, you would’ve gotten a lot more bang for your buck over the next 6 months by duping the 5-star.

In other words, we were pulling 5-stars at a time that they were on par with the upper limits of most 6-star champs. Eventually 6-stars would move beyond that, but that really happened across 2021.

Ken1378

Lol, this is a terrible comparison. You’re comparing to something that might never happen (7-stars).

Anecdotally, these dual crystals have come along at a much later stage of my account progression. I don’t have a screenshot of my account from exactly when 5-star dual crystals were released, but I do have one from Oct 2020 (1 month before I did my Abyss run and became Thronebreaker, so I wasn’t a new player at all)

Oct 2020 5-stars owned:
89 out of roughly 180 in the game at the time. So 50% owned. And 34 were awakened. So 40% of the champs I owned were awakened.

Sept 2022 6-stars owned:
133 out of roughly 230 in the game. So 60% owned. And 60 are awakened. So 45% of the champs I own are awakened.

I’m already farther along in my 6-star progression right now than my 5-star progression was 2 months after those dual crystals were released.

See, people can find comparisons to show the exact opposite of what you’re saying.

Demonzfyre

Your progression can't be compared to this though. 5 and 6* shards are everywhere. Especially since around 2020. The increase in 6* shards is much higher than it was for 5* shards and 5*'s had a.much shorter time as the meta vs 6*'s.

Stellar

don't forget that Featured crystals, for those with the Sigil, are at 13 000 shards

Why would i spent 12 500 for old champions ,1 chance over ~80 champions available in dual crystal, when i can spend 13 000 shards to try to win a new champion (1 over 24 available in featured) ?

People will spend 10 000 shards in hope to get or dupe an old champion (which what i did with the dual 5 stars crystals) but, with only 500 shards between Dual and featured, most people with Sigil will go for the featured.

0casual0

Dual crystals is just a crystal that is reduced to 2 classes that can still messed you up. There is not much difference than basic in term of RNG. So why does it have to be 12.5k shards? Imagine saving up to 12.5k shards just to pull some bad to average champs. I speak from an experience of 5* Dual. Absolutely terrible experience I'd say.

Deacon

so I got one ... Taskmaster dupe. not the worst but yeah not worth that extra 2500 lol

Skiddy212

No. This needed its own thread, a very good point. The only thread is cluttered with disagreement statements.

Ken1378

The point is, I’m farther along in my 6-star acquisition/progression so 6-star duals are worth less than 5-star duals were at the time.

I probably explained it better in the other thread that got silently shutdown, but dual crystals only have higher value because basics have LOST value. The pool of good pulls drops as your roster progresses and you chase a smaller number of champs. And why do you think that’s just okay and should continue forever (or until you switch to Featured crystals)? Why shouldn’t I get more choice as the percentage of champs that I actually want goes down? Why should my 6-star shards effectively lose so much value?

Anyway, this is probably not at the top of the list for Kabam right now, it just sucks because this could have been an exciting pro-player move in an ocean of disappointment and screw-ups this month.

Tsuki_no_Hakai

I don’t know why kabam thinks that dual class crystals are guaranteed to be good value, all of my dual class crystal openings end in trash, now why would I waste the 2.5k extra shards for some more trash, they’re really just making us pay extra for a lower chance at getting trash, and it will most likely still end with you getting trash

Crusaderjr

well. i think its safe to say that getting shards these days could be argued to both be easy to grind for, or also difficult to grind for with limited time.
for us TB and Paragon players i think its agreeable that 5* shards/crystals are NOT what we the majority are trying to go for these days. that being said i think its also agreeable that 5* shards are a lot easier to get compared to a 6*, with that basic info i dont agree that a 6* duel should cost more when its more difficult to get 6* shards compared to 5* shards.

if someone from kabam can explain what the pros are from making these unnecessary increases? and when i say pros, pls reframe from using cooperate talk and make it nice and simple.. cause the economy and state of the game dont agree with these types of "progressive" moves.

TheAngryOne

Funny how I can't pull a 5* Aegon on my 2nd account. Don't know how many crystals I opened so far and since when I am trying. The additional 2500 6* shards at least won't fool me into going for them.

BowTieJohn

I would say this need to be addressed and fixed. They shouldn't cost an extra 2,500 shards. Just like 4* and 5* Dual crystals the price should remain the same. Of course I wonder if this is an indicator of 6* shards being made more available in general.

SummonerNR