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    DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,794 Guardian
    DrZola said:

    DNA3000 said:

    SCP1504 said:

    Think about it, would this outrage be happening right now if they announced there would be no gold deals a week ago properly through Jax or Miike like any other announcment?
    sure people would be upset but not this degree

    Jax in fact tried to warn us back in August: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2145409/#Comment_2145409

    And I also tried to warn players when the Thrillson post was made, because I was 100% certain what it meant: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2172531/#Comment_2172531

    The fact is, Kabam employees do not individually have the authority to release information prior to official announcements. There are people in charge of this stuff that incorporate marketing, and other factors into that. You can say "Kabam should have" but there's no person named Kabam. Kabam is a company. Kabam doesn't do anything. Individual employees do things. We say Kabam does things as a colloquialism, with the understanding that it is actually different people with different responsibilities and different speheres of authority, no one of which can necessarily do the things we think Kabam can collectively do. Mods have bosses, developers have bosses, and their bosses have bosses. And in every corporation, there are rules governing how information is released. You're not going to just demand more information from a company and have all the people working there decide to accommodate you.

    Jax tried to warn us in August. Someone at Kabam used the Thrillson account to warn us again. Players like me were also warning. If that's not enough, if you need more, well, you aren't going to get it. You're not going to get 100% advance warning of everything. You'll sometimes get some warning. You'll get hints, and clues, and deductions. But Kabam is not going to open its marketing books for you to read. Nobody does that. Some stuff we're only going to officially know when it officially happens.

    It is not like this is unique to Kabam. I've been playing online games since forever. I've had relationships with multiple developers and dev teams. Some of this stuff, not even the developers have any control over, because these decisions are not developer decisions. They are business decisions. And business decisions are made by business people who assume that many decisions they make will be loved, and many will be hated. Here's some inside ball that you can choose to believe, or not. You know what will happen to all this feedback? When it gets to the people who make these decisions, and they are told that this gold event not returning and not being actively announced as not returning far in advance caused player commotion? Its not going to tell them "oh, well, I guess we will have to change the way we run our business, what a revelation." It will be to tell the content developers "don't ever make such an event ever again that players fall in love with to the point where we lose control over our ability to decide whether to repeat it."

    People like to toss out the "Business 101" term while knowing nothing about how businesses are actually run. This is how businesses are actually run. This is not a guess, this is not just my wild speculation. This is me saying if you ask me to make this bet with real cash with a hundred deve teams, I believe I'm going to win that bet in at least 90 of them. And it is me saying I'm aware of such things happening first hand.

    Note: whether I have such first hand knowledge here is something I will not say while the game is still in operation. But I've seen it happen elsewhere.

    And to the people who enjoy flagging disagree on posts just because they don't like them or the poster, consider this. I'm pretty sure the devs read my posts. If I'm just wrong, well, then won't I look the fool. But if all this is true, and people just knee-jerk flag it, that too will be feedback to them. It will remind them not to discuss topics like this publicly. And it will tell the business people (indirectly, because I doubt *they* read my posts) that the players don't understand their jobs, and thus their feedback on how to do it better is equally suspect.

    So fire away. It won't hurt my credibility when I provide feedback. It'll probably reinforce it. The disagree flag is an ironic indicator. It doesn't judge the post. It judges the forums. When a nonsensical or factually incorrect post gets a lot of disagrees, it say the forums are smart enough to judge it so. When a post with factual information gets flagged, it says the opposite thing about the forums. But the content of posts is judged by the reader, not by the flags.
    Agree 100% with the content of your comment. But it’s still a crappy event.

    Dr. Zola
    I wouldn’t say it’s not a problematic event. I would say the communication complaints are an albatross.
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,214 ★★★★★
    Skiddy212 said:

    DNA3000 said:

    DrZola said:

    DNA3000 said:

    SCP1504 said:

    Think about it, would this outrage be happening right now if they announced there would be no gold deals a week ago properly through Jax or Miike like any other announcment?
    sure people would be upset but not this degree

    Jax in fact tried to warn us back in August: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2145409/#Comment_2145409

    And I also tried to warn players when the Thrillson post was made, because I was 100% certain what it meant: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2172531/#Comment_2172531

    The fact is, Kabam employees do not individually have the authority to release information prior to official announcements. There are people in charge of this stuff that incorporate marketing, and other factors into that. You can say "Kabam should have" but there's no person named Kabam. Kabam is a company. Kabam doesn't do anything. Individual employees do things. We say Kabam does things as a colloquialism, with the understanding that it is actually different people with different responsibilities and different speheres of authority, no one of which can necessarily do the things we think Kabam can collectively do. Mods have bosses, developers have bosses, and their bosses have bosses. And in every corporation, there are rules governing how information is released. You're not going to just demand more information from a company and have all the people working there decide to accommodate you.

    Jax tried to warn us in August. Someone at Kabam used the Thrillson account to warn us again. Players like me were also warning. If that's not enough, if you need more, well, you aren't going to get it. You're not going to get 100% advance warning of everything. You'll sometimes get some warning. You'll get hints, and clues, and deductions. But Kabam is not going to open its marketing books for you to read. Nobody does that. Some stuff we're only going to officially know when it officially happens.

    It is not like this is unique to Kabam. I've been playing online games since forever. I've had relationships with multiple developers and dev teams. Some of this stuff, not even the developers have any control over, because these decisions are not developer decisions. They are business decisions. And business decisions are made by business people who assume that many decisions they make will be loved, and many will be hated. Here's some inside ball that you can choose to believe, or not. You know what will happen to all this feedback? When it gets to the people who make these decisions, and they are told that this gold event not returning and not being actively announced as not returning far in advance caused player commotion? Its not going to tell them "oh, well, I guess we will have to change the way we run our business, what a revelation." It will be to tell the content developers "don't ever make such an event ever again that players fall in love with to the point where we lose control over our ability to decide whether to repeat it."

    People like to toss out the "Business 101" term while knowing nothing about how businesses are actually run. This is how businesses are actually run. This is not a guess, this is not just my wild speculation. This is me saying if you ask me to make this bet with real cash with a hundred deve teams, I believe I'm going to win that bet in at least 90 of them. And it is me saying I'm aware of such things happening first hand.

    Note: whether I have such first hand knowledge here is something I will not say while the game is still in operation. But I've seen it happen elsewhere.

    And to the people who enjoy flagging disagree on posts just because they don't like them or the poster, consider this. I'm pretty sure the devs read my posts. If I'm just wrong, well, then won't I look the fool. But if all this is true, and people just knee-jerk flag it, that too will be feedback to them. It will remind them not to discuss topics like this publicly. And it will tell the business people (indirectly, because I doubt *they* read my posts) that the players don't understand their jobs, and thus their feedback on how to do it better is equally suspect.

    So fire away. It won't hurt my credibility when I provide feedback. It'll probably reinforce it. The disagree flag is an ironic indicator. It doesn't judge the post. It judges the forums. When a nonsensical or factually incorrect post gets a lot of disagrees, it say the forums are smart enough to judge it so. When a post with factual information gets flagged, it says the opposite thing about the forums. But the content of posts is judged by the reader, not by the flags.
    Agree 100% with the content of your comment. But it’s still a crappy event.

    Dr. Zola
    I wouldn’t say it’s not a problematic event. I would say the communication complaints are an albatross.
    An join the debate the kabam mascot has..
    Solid response from who knows they're already outmatched.
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    CoppinCoppin Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★
    This still going? 🤣
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,214 ★★★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    SCP1504 said:

    Think about it, would this outrage be happening right now if they announced there would be no gold deals a week ago properly through Jax or Miike like any other announcment?
    sure people would be upset but not this degree

    Jax in fact tried to warn us back in August: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2145409/#Comment_2145409

    And I also tried to warn players when the Thrillson post was made, because I was 100% certain what it meant: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2172531/#Comment_2172531

    The fact is, Kabam employees do not individually have the authority to release information prior to official announcements. There are people in charge of this stuff that incorporate marketing, and other factors into that. You can say "Kabam should have" but there's no person named Kabam. Kabam is a company. Kabam doesn't do anything. Individual employees do things. We say Kabam does things as a colloquialism, with the understanding that it is actually different people with different responsibilities and different speheres of authority, no one of which can necessarily do the things we think Kabam can collectively do. Mods have bosses, developers have bosses, and their bosses have bosses. And in every corporation, there are rules governing how information is released. You're not going to just demand more information from a company and have all the people working there decide to accommodate you.

    Jax tried to warn us in August. Someone at Kabam used the Thrillson account to warn us again. Players like me were also warning. If that's not enough, if you need more, well, you aren't going to get it. You're not going to get 100% advance warning of everything. You'll sometimes get some warning. You'll get hints, and clues, and deductions. But Kabam is not going to open its marketing books for you to read. Nobody does that. Some stuff we're only going to officially know when it officially happens.

    It is not like this is unique to Kabam. I've been playing online games since forever. I've had relationships with multiple developers and dev teams. Some of this stuff, not even the developers have any control over, because these decisions are not developer decisions. They are business decisions. And business decisions are made by business people who assume that many decisions they make will be loved, and many will be hated. Here's some inside ball that you can choose to believe, or not. You know what will happen to all this feedback? When it gets to the people who make these decisions, and they are told that this gold event not returning and not being actively announced as not returning far in advance caused player commotion? Its not going to tell them "oh, well, I guess we will have to change the way we run our business, what a revelation." It will be to tell the content developers "don't ever make such an event ever again that players fall in love with to the point where we lose control over our ability to decide whether to repeat it."

    People like to toss out the "Business 101" term while knowing nothing about how businesses are actually run. This is how businesses are actually run. This is not a guess, this is not just my wild speculation. This is me saying if you ask me to make this bet with real cash with a hundred deve teams, I believe I'm going to win that bet in at least 90 of them. And it is me saying I'm aware of such things happening first hand.

    Note: whether I have such first hand knowledge here is something I will not say while the game is still in operation. But I've seen it happen elsewhere.

    And to the people who enjoy flagging disagree on posts just because they don't like them or the poster, consider this. I'm pretty sure the devs read my posts. If I'm just wrong, well, then won't I look the fool. But if all this is true, and people just knee-jerk flag it, that too will be feedback to them. It will remind them not to discuss topics like this publicly. And it will tell the business people (indirectly, because I doubt *they* read my posts) that the players don't understand their jobs, and thus their feedback on how to do it better is equally suspect.

    So fire away. It won't hurt my credibility when I provide feedback. It'll probably reinforce it. The disagree flag is an ironic indicator. It doesn't judge the post. It judges the forums. When a nonsensical or factually incorrect post gets a lot of disagrees, it say the forums are smart enough to judge it so. When a post with factual information gets flagged, it says the opposite thing about the forums. But the content of posts is judged by the reader, not by the flags.
    Nice post srs. But people have been fed up and tired with how the game has been run for a long time so all this built up frustration is definitely justified.
    Built up frustration? Lol. Since when has the community ever not said something? The communities secret is the same as Hulks. Always angry.
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,296 ★★★★★
    edited October 2022

    DNA3000 said:

    SCP1504 said:

    Think about it, would this outrage be happening right now if they announced there would be no gold deals a week ago properly through Jax or Miike like any other announcment?
    sure people would be upset but not this degree

    Jax in fact tried to warn us back in August: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2145409/#Comment_2145409

    And I also tried to warn players when the Thrillson post was made, because I was 100% certain what it meant: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2172531/#Comment_2172531

    The fact is, Kabam employees do not individually have the authority to release information prior to official announcements. There are people in charge of this stuff that incorporate marketing, and other factors into that. You can say "Kabam should have" but there's no person named Kabam. Kabam is a company. Kabam doesn't do anything. Individual employees do things. We say Kabam does things as a colloquialism, with the understanding that it is actually different people with different responsibilities and different speheres of authority, no one of which can necessarily do the things we think Kabam can collectively do. Mods have bosses, developers have bosses, and their bosses have bosses. And in every corporation, there are rules governing how information is released. You're not going to just demand more information from a company and have all the people working there decide to accommodate you.

    Jax tried to warn us in August. Someone at Kabam used the Thrillson account to warn us again. Players like me were also warning. If that's not enough, if you need more, well, you aren't going to get it. You're not going to get 100% advance warning of everything. You'll sometimes get some warning. You'll get hints, and clues, and deductions. But Kabam is not going to open its marketing books for you to read. Nobody does that. Some stuff we're only going to officially know when it officially happens.

    It is not like this is unique to Kabam. I've been playing online games since forever. I've had relationships with multiple developers and dev teams. Some of this stuff, not even the developers have any control over, because these decisions are not developer decisions. They are business decisions. And business decisions are made by business people who assume that many decisions they make will be loved, and many will be hated. Here's some inside ball that you can choose to believe, or not. You know what will happen to all this feedback? When it gets to the people who make these decisions, and they are told that this gold event not returning and not being actively announced as not returning far in advance caused player commotion? Its not going to tell them "oh, well, I guess we will have to change the way we run our business, what a revelation." It will be to tell the content developers "don't ever make such an event ever again that players fall in love with to the point where we lose control over our ability to decide whether to repeat it."

    People like to toss out the "Business 101" term while knowing nothing about how businesses are actually run. This is how businesses are actually run. This is not a guess, this is not just my wild speculation. This is me saying if you ask me to make this bet with real cash with a hundred deve teams, I believe I'm going to win that bet in at least 90 of them. And it is me saying I'm aware of such things happening first hand.

    Note: whether I have such first hand knowledge here is something I will not say while the game is still in operation. But I've seen it happen elsewhere.

    And to the people who enjoy flagging disagree on posts just because they don't like them or the poster, consider this. I'm pretty sure the devs read my posts. If I'm just wrong, well, then won't I look the fool. But if all this is true, and people just knee-jerk flag it, that too will be feedback to them. It will remind them not to discuss topics like this publicly. And it will tell the business people (indirectly, because I doubt *they* read my posts) that the players don't understand their jobs, and thus their feedback on how to do it better is equally suspect.

    So fire away. It won't hurt my credibility when I provide feedback. It'll probably reinforce it. The disagree flag is an ironic indicator. It doesn't judge the post. It judges the forums. When a nonsensical or factually incorrect post gets a lot of disagrees, it say the forums are smart enough to judge it so. When a post with factual information gets flagged, it says the opposite thing about the forums. But the content of posts is judged by the reader, not by the flags.
    Nice post srs. But people have been fed up and tired with how the game has been run for a long time so all this built up frustration is definitely justified.
    If this was an issue about how the game was running, that would make sense. Logically, it makes sense. There are issues and people are upset about them. That makes sense. It also makes sense that their frustrations are mounting. That much is clear.
    What doesn't make sense is that those issues are brought up unrelated to what's being looked at. The Event isn't even remotely implied to be some kind of remuneration for those issues. This is where it becomes mirky. It's an Event that's been taking place for a few years now, in one form or another.
    The larger problem with that argument is that it's a no-win situation for them to address. So they release something that people like. They will enjoy it for a time, but it's not enough to compete with the list of resentments people are holding, so it cures little. It just gets stored away until the next point of contention. Then it's back to "You owe us". Which, for all intents and purposes, I'm not challenging.
    Grievances need to be addressed where they're appropriate. The game performance issues need to be addressed where it's pertinent. BG issues where that's in question. ET AL.
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    AntzRodzAntzRodz Posts: 255 ★★


    Built up frustration? Lol. Since when has the community ever not said something? The communities secret is the same as Hulks. Always angry.

    So temme Dude, u need us to be patient with all the , issues happening lately..?
    I agree some game modes are extremely good.
    Like last few variants, Act 7 & 8, EOP. But...
    1) What abt BGs... It clearly came up with a pay to win format and reach higher up in the tracks until there was a community roar which forced them to change in season 2.. don't temme that after months of beta testing a company can release an all together different mode of BGs.. leave alone the reward structure for both (solo and alliance). And..... No Idea what's happening with modders that mess up ur progression especially on gladiators circuit which has no solution yet..
    2) AQ - it's so much outdated, especially the rewards u earn from it... Glory store - 7* are coming and yet the prices are high for a T5B & t2A shards. U get better Rewards from trophy tokens. U play 5 days of AQ , in the end the Rewards in Glory store is not valuable for the amt of time spent on it.
    3) Deadpool Offer's- NO Gold offer's.? fine..!! agreed but cost of items in the Store is Sky High.. i do spend on the game but it's ridiculous to see something like this... No one forced me to buy it but.. why make such offer's that makes most of the community members disappointed...
    4)Game Issues - Plenty drop inputs, VFX issues, Bugs and still continues to persist.. Solution - Nothing..
    5) Post /Comments get deleted
    6
    *Playing this game since 7yrs . And definitely feels that the game is not heading in the right direction..
    I can only say is that Kabam needs to rethink abt how to get this game progressed in a better way and keep the community and themselves happy..
    Suggestions-
    -Make the game playable smoothly without monthly bugs
    -Make the game Fair for both Spenders and FTP
    - Offer Great Offers/Unit offer's that will make the Non Spenders to also go for it or ar least think abt it..
    - periodically offer good deals like the gold deals ( Deadpool) last year
    This will at least keep the community happy.!!
    I have more to add but that's it..
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    CoppinCoppin Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★
    This still going? 🤣
    JJJmJJJ said:

    We can write pages and page, but rules are simple. Companies should keep customers happy. There are a lot of studies that have shown that happy customers result in increased sales. Forrester (a big market research company) reports that 81% of customers are more likely to engage with businesses that exceed their expectations.

    Well, that’s all, I don’t know numbers but I guess most of mcoc’s customers are not happy, if not, kabam can go on this way.

    A customer buys or pays for a service or product...
    The most irate players right now are f2p...
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    RNCKRNCK Posts: 2
    edited October 2022
    All im gonna say is, at the end of this year the earnings of mcoc better exceed the earnings of the last year while it was under leadership of previous ceo, otherise theres a problem...
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    ChobblyChobbly Posts: 870 ★★★★
    I think there's very little that the Mods can say about this, because it's not down to them. While they can acknowledge the general upset etc there's nothing they can really do. Plus it's the weekend and everyone is entitled to a break from work.

    All of that said, this has been a disappointing turn of events and enforces the perception of a 'monetize everything' approach. Even just a cut and paste of last year's offers would have been better.

    Take a deep breath and move on, I guess - there's not much else we can do.
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