BG rewards wrong, no cheaters banned

Beewee · October 2022

DNA3000 said:

GAV3777 said:
You must show us what accounts were banned and also show us results.
Same thing with allys who are constantly docked you must kick off the alliance and show us some dignity!
We're getting older waiting for some of that.
Thx
The developers cannot do this.

A long while ago I attempted to make this case directly to Kabam. I can't share those communications, but here's what I can say:

1. At the time, I was communicating through Adora. It was that long ago.

2. I was eventually put indirectly in touch with the decision makers for this specific decision.

3. Those decision makers were Kabam's legal staff.

4. The gist of what I was eventually told was that this decision was based on legal reasoning, this decision was final, and if I wanted to argue the point further I would need to come back after I had passed the bar.

The devs hands are tied. The producers hands are tied. Arguably, even the president of the company's hands are tied. No argument will work on any person you can reach via the forums. And even if you could somehow find and discuss this with the lawyers, good luck arguing with a corporate attorney.

We can ask for the cheaters to be removed from leaderboards. We cannot ask for a list of detected cheaters. I mean, we can ask, but the answer will be no. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they are barred from doing it by a directive that has no avenue to be appealed.

Every once in a while I ask about this, just to see if things have changed. As far as I'm aware, things have not changed.

I'm saying this as someone that can, because I'm pretty sure neither the developers nor the moderators themselves are allowed to specify the internals of decision making. In this one case I'm willing to say what I know, because a) I was not told this by the developers in any specific confidence (I'm only respecting the confidentiality of all private conversations I have, be they with other players or Kabam employees), and b) its only lawyers I'm throwing under the bus: Its not like I'm hurting actual people, and c) I already said a version of this long ago when I originally did all of this, but it has been long enough that I think no one remembers anymore.

I get why cheaters cant be revealed for legal reasons. But I do believe the punishments should be much harsher. Big accounts should not get a slap on the wrist for modding. They should be perma banned

LordSmasher · October 2022

What rubbish. If the International Olympic Committee can publicly ban people for avoiding drug tests then I can't see how "legal" reasons would prevent digital game listing the name of accounts that were removed from leaderboards.

Transparency is the cornerstone of trust.

Bayouem · October 2022

There absolutely needs stronger deterrents for cheating. There were many paragon accounts modding. That tells me that the penalty for getting caught cheating doesn’t outweigh the rewards.

Antsiou · October 2022

@DNA3000 you seem to be very much connected to Kabam’s inner structure. I haven’t followed the history of your posts here, so if you have done so already , I hope you can explain again how you know what you know?
This coming from a place colored by a bit of healthy critical mind and hopeful curiosity. In other words, for people like me, how much stock can I put in your words.

Malchaeis · October 2022

So what they need is a better system to detect or catch these cheaters. Complaining about it is fine but doesn't solve anything. Maybe start a discussion on ways to help them out. Somebody out there is bright enough to think of something the devs haven't thought of yet.

DNA3000 · October 2022

Beewee said:

DNA3000 said:

GAV3777 said:
You must show us what accounts were banned and also show us results.
Same thing with allys who are constantly docked you must kick off the alliance and show us some dignity!
We're getting older waiting for some of that.
Thx
The developers cannot do this.

A long while ago I attempted to make this case directly to Kabam. I can't share those communications, but here's what I can say:

1. At the time, I was communicating through Adora. It was that long ago.

2. I was eventually put indirectly in touch with the decision makers for this specific decision.

3. Those decision makers were Kabam's legal staff.

4. The gist of what I was eventually told was that this decision was based on legal reasoning, this decision was final, and if I wanted to argue the point further I would need to come back after I had passed the bar.

The devs hands are tied. The producers hands are tied. Arguably, even the president of the company's hands are tied. No argument will work on any person you can reach via the forums. And even if you could somehow find and discuss this with the lawyers, good luck arguing with a corporate attorney.

We can ask for the cheaters to be removed from leaderboards. We cannot ask for a list of detected cheaters. I mean, we can ask, but the answer will be no. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they are barred from doing it by a directive that has no avenue to be appealed.

Every once in a while I ask about this, just to see if things have changed. As far as I'm aware, things have not changed.

I'm saying this as someone that can, because I'm pretty sure neither the developers nor the moderators themselves are allowed to specify the internals of decision making. In this one case I'm willing to say what I know, because a) I was not told this by the developers in any specific confidence (I'm only respecting the confidentiality of all private conversations I have, be they with other players or Kabam employees), and b) its only lawyers I'm throwing under the bus: Its not like I'm hurting actual people, and c) I already said a version of this long ago when I originally did all of this, but it has been long enough that I think no one remembers anymore.
I get why cheaters cant be revealed for legal reasons. But I do believe the punishments should be much harsher. Big accounts should not get a slap on the wrist for modding. They should be perma banned

No argument from me. But not everyone is as merciless as I am.

DNA3000 · October 2022

Antsiou said:
@DNA3000 you seem to be very much connected to Kabam’s inner structure. I haven’t followed the history of your posts here, so if you have done so already , I hope you can explain again how you know what you know?

I keep asking questions until the devs answer, often so I will go away. Unlike most people, I don't get angry, I get lengthy.

In all seriousness, I am not connected to Kabam's inner structure per se. I have tried to cultivate a relationship with the developers and mods, to varying degrees of success, and over time that has given me some access to the developers on par with the access that members of the CCP have. But independently from that, I've spent a long time in and around game development, and I at least speak the language. This allows me to ask questions the devs feel safe answering, and converse about topics they feel comfortable discussing, because I'm asking those questions from a perspective at least familiar to their own.

My biggest advantage, though, is I try to treat them like people first, professionals second, and annoying creators of broken stuff third. Over the long run, you'd be surprised how far this can take you, and not just here.

Kiptonade · October 2022

I can’t see why they can’t publish an updated leaderboard on the forums. Sure there will be names removed for suspected/alleged cheating but that’s down to the reader to determine. I can’t see any legal barriers that would prevent that. I suspect the real issue is sadly more likely in that Kabam just dont have the technology to stay on top of the cheaters and modders. If giant games development companies like activision and epic games struggle to stay on top of cheaters and modders I fail to see how Kabam is any different. That said I think players also expect too much when it comes to these things. It’s never going to be possible to ban every cheater or modder even with an effective reporting system. The best we can hope for is that they are caught or their numbers significantly reduced when detection methods get stronger and more accurate. I get it’s frustrating playing against a bot or modder but i suspect Kabam is doing all they can to reduce the amount in the game - after all modders don’t spend money and if they do it’s likely fraudulent so will end up costing kabam in the long run. They want rid of them just as much as the rest of us.

Valmez · October 2022

I had expected the obvious modders and those that manipulate the leader board to get banned permanently and then we could try focus kabam attention towards the more subtle cheaters that still infiltrate the leaderboard, big accounts in the top few hundred that shouldn't be there.

This is extremely disappointing to see, 0 steps taken is seriously just a joke. Delay the rewards by however long is needed.

Seriously deflated from seeing nothing done after the plethora of modders reported via the report button, through members of the CCP and submitting tickets. None of which have done anything.

And to clarify, it's not just the cheap 5 second kill modders that need to be permanently banned, it's others that still sneak in 30 second kills in ways experienced battleground players know it's not possible (even the average battleground player raises eyebrows too). There's guys doing this playing with gigantic accounts in high level alliances that need to be banned permanently to strengthen the integrity of fair play in the pvp space of this game.

Agent_X_zzz · October 2022

Shameful

Skydad23 · October 2022

Colinwhitworth69 said:
Maybe modders are hard to identify?

Gut feelings aren't goof enough.

What one person thinks is obvious might have other explanations.

Cheaters are clever in avoiding detection.

Also, Kabam prolly needs dozens of people to investigate every possible cheater, and lots of time.

To ban someone, you need proof. Otherwise honest players might get banned because someone assume they were cheating.

Anyway, you say "no modders were banned", but I feel like you have no real idea about the numbers of players banned.

Nobody with a 300 K hero rating is beating six star rank for champions in 10 seconds. Not hard to identify.

BitterSteel · October 2022

Demonzfyre said:

91KiX said:

DNA3000 said:

GAV3777 said:
You must show us what accounts were banned and also show us results.
Same thing with allys who are constantly docked you must kick off the alliance and show us some dignity!
We're getting older waiting for some of that.
Thx
The developers cannot do this.

A long while ago I attempted to make this case directly to Kabam. I can't share those communications, but here's what I can say:

1. At the time, I was communicating through Adora. It was that long ago.

2. I was eventually put indirectly in touch with the decision makers for this specific decision.

3. Those decision makers were Kabam's legal staff.

4. The gist of what I was eventually told was that this decision was based on legal reasoning, this decision was final, and if I wanted to argue the point further I would need to come back after I had passed the bar.

The devs hands are tied. The producers hands are tied. Arguably, even the president of the company's hands are tied. No argument will work on any person you can reach via the forums. And even if you could somehow find and discuss this with the lawyers, good luck arguing with a corporate attorney.

We can ask for the cheaters to be removed from leaderboards. We cannot ask for a list of detected cheaters. I mean, we can ask, but the answer will be no. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they are barred from doing it by a directive that has no avenue to be appealed.

Every once in a while I ask about this, just to see if things have changed. As far as I'm aware, things have not changed.

I'm saying this as someone that can, because I'm pretty sure neither the developers nor the moderators themselves are allowed to specify the internals of decision making. In this one case I'm willing to say what I know, because a) I was not told this by the developers in any specific confidence (I'm only respecting the confidentiality of all private conversations I have, be they with other players or Kabam employees), and b) its only lawyers I'm throwing under the bus: Its not like I'm hurting actual people, and c) I already said a version of this long ago when I originally did all of this, but it has been long enough that I think no one remembers anymore.
Sir, you are forgetting the 2 most important people in relation to kabam that could actually figure this out, in probably no time, yet they are mysteriously absent as of late. I’ll guess I’ll tag them for input.. @Demonzfyre @GroundedWisdom ?? Thanks in advance!!
DNA is closer to the devs than any of us so whatever he says, I agree with.

He said that Mr Negative was better than Silver Centurion. Sorry bud.

Demonzfyre · October 2022

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

91KiX said:

DNA3000 said:

GAV3777 said:
You must show us what accounts were banned and also show us results.
Same thing with allys who are constantly docked you must kick off the alliance and show us some dignity!
We're getting older waiting for some of that.
Thx
The developers cannot do this.

A long while ago I attempted to make this case directly to Kabam. I can't share those communications, but here's what I can say:

1. At the time, I was communicating through Adora. It was that long ago.

2. I was eventually put indirectly in touch with the decision makers for this specific decision.

3. Those decision makers were Kabam's legal staff.

4. The gist of what I was eventually told was that this decision was based on legal reasoning, this decision was final, and if I wanted to argue the point further I would need to come back after I had passed the bar.

The devs hands are tied. The producers hands are tied. Arguably, even the president of the company's hands are tied. No argument will work on any person you can reach via the forums. And even if you could somehow find and discuss this with the lawyers, good luck arguing with a corporate attorney.

We can ask for the cheaters to be removed from leaderboards. We cannot ask for a list of detected cheaters. I mean, we can ask, but the answer will be no. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they are barred from doing it by a directive that has no avenue to be appealed.

Every once in a while I ask about this, just to see if things have changed. As far as I'm aware, things have not changed.

I'm saying this as someone that can, because I'm pretty sure neither the developers nor the moderators themselves are allowed to specify the internals of decision making. In this one case I'm willing to say what I know, because a) I was not told this by the developers in any specific confidence (I'm only respecting the confidentiality of all private conversations I have, be they with other players or Kabam employees), and b) its only lawyers I'm throwing under the bus: Its not like I'm hurting actual people, and c) I already said a version of this long ago when I originally did all of this, but it has been long enough that I think no one remembers anymore.
Sir, you are forgetting the 2 most important people in relation to kabam that could actually figure this out, in probably no time, yet they are mysteriously absent as of late. I’ll guess I’ll tag them for input.. @Demonzfyre @GroundedWisdom ?? Thanks in advance!!
DNA is closer to the devs than any of us so whatever he says, I agree with.
He said that Mr Negative was better than Silver Centurion. Sorry bud.

Gonna need a source.

BitterSteel · October 2022

Demonzfyre said:

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

91KiX said:

DNA3000 said:

GAV3777 said:
You must show us what accounts were banned and also show us results.
Same thing with allys who are constantly docked you must kick off the alliance and show us some dignity!
We're getting older waiting for some of that.
Thx
The developers cannot do this.

A long while ago I attempted to make this case directly to Kabam. I can't share those communications, but here's what I can say:

1. At the time, I was communicating through Adora. It was that long ago.

2. I was eventually put indirectly in touch with the decision makers for this specific decision.

3. Those decision makers were Kabam's legal staff.

4. The gist of what I was eventually told was that this decision was based on legal reasoning, this decision was final, and if I wanted to argue the point further I would need to come back after I had passed the bar.

The devs hands are tied. The producers hands are tied. Arguably, even the president of the company's hands are tied. No argument will work on any person you can reach via the forums. And even if you could somehow find and discuss this with the lawyers, good luck arguing with a corporate attorney.

We can ask for the cheaters to be removed from leaderboards. We cannot ask for a list of detected cheaters. I mean, we can ask, but the answer will be no. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they are barred from doing it by a directive that has no avenue to be appealed.

Every once in a while I ask about this, just to see if things have changed. As far as I'm aware, things have not changed.

I'm saying this as someone that can, because I'm pretty sure neither the developers nor the moderators themselves are allowed to specify the internals of decision making. In this one case I'm willing to say what I know, because a) I was not told this by the developers in any specific confidence (I'm only respecting the confidentiality of all private conversations I have, be they with other players or Kabam employees), and b) its only lawyers I'm throwing under the bus: Its not like I'm hurting actual people, and c) I already said a version of this long ago when I originally did all of this, but it has been long enough that I think no one remembers anymore.
Sir, you are forgetting the 2 most important people in relation to kabam that could actually figure this out, in probably no time, yet they are mysteriously absent as of late. I’ll guess I’ll tag them for input.. @Demonzfyre @GroundedWisdom ?? Thanks in advance!!
DNA is closer to the devs than any of us so whatever he says, I agree with.
He said that Mr Negative was better than Silver Centurion. Sorry bud.
Gonna need a source.

TheBair123 · October 2022

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

91KiX said:

DNA3000 said:

GAV3777 said:
You must show us what accounts were banned and also show us results.
Same thing with allys who are constantly docked you must kick off the alliance and show us some dignity!
We're getting older waiting for some of that.
Thx
The developers cannot do this.

A long while ago I attempted to make this case directly to Kabam. I can't share those communications, but here's what I can say:

1. At the time, I was communicating through Adora. It was that long ago.

2. I was eventually put indirectly in touch with the decision makers for this specific decision.

3. Those decision makers were Kabam's legal staff.

4. The gist of what I was eventually told was that this decision was based on legal reasoning, this decision was final, and if I wanted to argue the point further I would need to come back after I had passed the bar.

The devs hands are tied. The producers hands are tied. Arguably, even the president of the company's hands are tied. No argument will work on any person you can reach via the forums. And even if you could somehow find and discuss this with the lawyers, good luck arguing with a corporate attorney.

We can ask for the cheaters to be removed from leaderboards. We cannot ask for a list of detected cheaters. I mean, we can ask, but the answer will be no. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they are barred from doing it by a directive that has no avenue to be appealed.

Every once in a while I ask about this, just to see if things have changed. As far as I'm aware, things have not changed.

I'm saying this as someone that can, because I'm pretty sure neither the developers nor the moderators themselves are allowed to specify the internals of decision making. In this one case I'm willing to say what I know, because a) I was not told this by the developers in any specific confidence (I'm only respecting the confidentiality of all private conversations I have, be they with other players or Kabam employees), and b) its only lawyers I'm throwing under the bus: Its not like I'm hurting actual people, and c) I already said a version of this long ago when I originally did all of this, but it has been long enough that I think no one remembers anymore.
Sir, you are forgetting the 2 most important people in relation to kabam that could actually figure this out, in probably no time, yet they are mysteriously absent as of late. I’ll guess I’ll tag them for input.. @Demonzfyre @GroundedWisdom ?? Thanks in advance!!
DNA is closer to the devs than any of us so whatever he says, I agree with.
He said that Mr Negative was better than Silver Centurion. Sorry bud.
Gonna need a source.

actually, it's ACRISURE now

Geronimo3124 · October 2022

We already know you guys dropped the ball with this, so I’m not going to rehash what everyone has said.

The disappointing thing to me is that I made it to gladiator 4 on my main account. Was happy and having a blast.

Next thing I know, 75% of matches were with modders. Sucked all the fun out of the mode.

Ended up dropping into the back half of gladiator 5 and got legit matches half of the time.

By the last meta, I was hanging around gladiator 5&6 and would usually get legit matches.

Why would I want to play this mode when the better I do, the less amount of fun I have?

Lavdapool · October 2022

DNA3000 said:

GAV3777 said:
You must show us what accounts were banned and also show us results.
Same thing with allys who are constantly docked you must kick off the alliance and show us some dignity!
We're getting older waiting for some of that.
Thx
The developers cannot do this.

A long while ago I attempted to make this case directly to Kabam. I can't share those communications, but here's what I can say:

1. At the time, I was communicating through Adora. It was that long ago.

2. I was eventually put indirectly in touch with the decision makers for this specific decision.

3. Those decision makers were Kabam's legal staff.

4. The gist of what I was eventually told was that this decision was based on legal reasoning, this decision was final, and if I wanted to argue the point further I would need to come back after I had passed the bar.

The devs hands are tied. The producers hands are tied. Arguably, even the president of the company's hands are tied. No argument will work on any person you can reach via the forums. And even if you could somehow find and discuss this with the lawyers, good luck arguing with a corporate attorney.

We can ask for the cheaters to be removed from leaderboards. We cannot ask for a list of detected cheaters. I mean, we can ask, but the answer will be no. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they are barred from doing it by a directive that has no avenue to be appealed.

Every once in a while I ask about this, just to see if things have changed. As far as I'm aware, things have not changed.

I'm saying this as someone that can, because I'm pretty sure neither the developers nor the moderators themselves are allowed to specify the internals of decision making. In this one case I'm willing to say what I know, because a) I was not told this by the developers in any specific confidence (I'm only respecting the confidentiality of all private conversations I have, be they with other players or Kabam employees), and b) its only lawyers I'm throwing under the bus: Its not like I'm hurting actual people, and c) I already said a version of this long ago when I originally did all of this, but it has been long enough that I think no one remembers anymore.

I wonder what legal reasons. There are mobile games that publicly publish cheaters monthly and shame them..with their in-game name, game Id, change their profile pics to "Banned" etc. Is this mcoc "Legal" reason a Marvel thing? Seems dumb.

frodo2377 · October 2022

BitterSteel said:

Gonna need a source.

Source....not sauce.

DNA3000 · October 2022

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

91KiX said:

DNA3000 said:

GAV3777 said:
You must show us what accounts were banned and also show us results.
Same thing with allys who are constantly docked you must kick off the alliance and show us some dignity!
We're getting older waiting for some of that.
Thx
The developers cannot do this.

A long while ago I attempted to make this case directly to Kabam. I can't share those communications, but here's what I can say:

1. At the time, I was communicating through Adora. It was that long ago.

2. I was eventually put indirectly in touch with the decision makers for this specific decision.

3. Those decision makers were Kabam's legal staff.

4. The gist of what I was eventually told was that this decision was based on legal reasoning, this decision was final, and if I wanted to argue the point further I would need to come back after I had passed the bar.

The devs hands are tied. The producers hands are tied. Arguably, even the president of the company's hands are tied. No argument will work on any person you can reach via the forums. And even if you could somehow find and discuss this with the lawyers, good luck arguing with a corporate attorney.

We can ask for the cheaters to be removed from leaderboards. We cannot ask for a list of detected cheaters. I mean, we can ask, but the answer will be no. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they are barred from doing it by a directive that has no avenue to be appealed.

Every once in a while I ask about this, just to see if things have changed. As far as I'm aware, things have not changed.

I'm saying this as someone that can, because I'm pretty sure neither the developers nor the moderators themselves are allowed to specify the internals of decision making. In this one case I'm willing to say what I know, because a) I was not told this by the developers in any specific confidence (I'm only respecting the confidentiality of all private conversations I have, be they with other players or Kabam employees), and b) its only lawyers I'm throwing under the bus: Its not like I'm hurting actual people, and c) I already said a version of this long ago when I originally did all of this, but it has been long enough that I think no one remembers anymore.
Sir, you are forgetting the 2 most important people in relation to kabam that could actually figure this out, in probably no time, yet they are mysteriously absent as of late. I’ll guess I’ll tag them for input.. @Demonzfyre @GroundedWisdom ?? Thanks in advance!!
DNA is closer to the devs than any of us so whatever he says, I agree with.
He said that Mr Negative was better than Silver Centurion. Sorry bud.

I can neither confirm nor deny that this guy:

is better than this guy:

Everyone will just have to decide for themselves which one is the superior champion, without any statement from me on the matter.

BitterSteel · October 2022

DNA3000 said:

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

91KiX said:

DNA3000 said:

GAV3777 said:
You must show us what accounts were banned and also show us results.
Same thing with allys who are constantly docked you must kick off the alliance and show us some dignity!
We're getting older waiting for some of that.
Thx
The developers cannot do this.

A long while ago I attempted to make this case directly to Kabam. I can't share those communications, but here's what I can say:

1. At the time, I was communicating through Adora. It was that long ago.

2. I was eventually put indirectly in touch with the decision makers for this specific decision.

3. Those decision makers were Kabam's legal staff.

4. The gist of what I was eventually told was that this decision was based on legal reasoning, this decision was final, and if I wanted to argue the point further I would need to come back after I had passed the bar.

The devs hands are tied. The producers hands are tied. Arguably, even the president of the company's hands are tied. No argument will work on any person you can reach via the forums. And even if you could somehow find and discuss this with the lawyers, good luck arguing with a corporate attorney.

We can ask for the cheaters to be removed from leaderboards. We cannot ask for a list of detected cheaters. I mean, we can ask, but the answer will be no. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they are barred from doing it by a directive that has no avenue to be appealed.

Every once in a while I ask about this, just to see if things have changed. As far as I'm aware, things have not changed.

I'm saying this as someone that can, because I'm pretty sure neither the developers nor the moderators themselves are allowed to specify the internals of decision making. In this one case I'm willing to say what I know, because a) I was not told this by the developers in any specific confidence (I'm only respecting the confidentiality of all private conversations I have, be they with other players or Kabam employees), and b) its only lawyers I'm throwing under the bus: Its not like I'm hurting actual people, and c) I already said a version of this long ago when I originally did all of this, but it has been long enough that I think no one remembers anymore.
Sir, you are forgetting the 2 most important people in relation to kabam that could actually figure this out, in probably no time, yet they are mysteriously absent as of late. I’ll guess I’ll tag them for input.. @Demonzfyre @GroundedWisdom ?? Thanks in advance!!
DNA is closer to the devs than any of us so whatever he says, I agree with.
He said that Mr Negative was better than Silver Centurion. Sorry bud.
I can neither confirm nor deny that this guy:

is better than this guy:

Everyone will just have to decide for themselves which one is the superior champion, without any statement from me on the matter.

@Demonzfyre something something sauce?

BitterSteel · October 2022

frodo2377 said:

BitterSteel said:

Gonna need a source.

Source....not sauce.

Boy oh boy silly me 🙃

DNA3000 · October 2022

Dragoon81 said:

LordSmasher said:
What rubbish. If the International Olympic Committee can publicly ban people for avoiding drug tests then I can't see how "legal" reasons would prevent digital game listing the name of accounts that were removed from leaderboards.

Transparency is the cornerstone of trust.
It is, and there really isn’t any legal reason not to be. There is a financial reason not to be though. Same issue twitter has faced recently with not providing data on what percentage of their user base is bots. When people don’t know the percentage it hurts the company yeah but if we knew how bad it really was and it is in writing. Well facts hurt the companies value more than speculation.

Keep in mind that I was arguing the opposite side, but one legal distinction here is that Olympic athletes voluntarily place themselves in the public eye by virtue of participating in very public competitions and sign legal contracts acknowledging such. However, players of MCOC do no such thing. The legal protections on anonymous members of the public are different from those surrounding people who volunteer to be in the public eye, and those who contractually bind themselves to a particular organization and its regulations. MCOC's TOS is not binding in the same way.

Figue · October 2022

Beewee said:

DNA3000 said:

GAV3777 said:
You must show us what accounts were banned and also show us results.
Same thing with allys who are constantly docked you must kick off the alliance and show us some dignity!
We're getting older waiting for some of that.
Thx
The developers cannot do this.

A long while ago I attempted to make this case directly to Kabam. I can't share those communications, but here's what I can say:

1. At the time, I was communicating through Adora. It was that long ago.

2. I was eventually put indirectly in touch with the decision makers for this specific decision.

3. Those decision makers were Kabam's legal staff.

4. The gist of what I was eventually told was that this decision was based on legal reasoning, this decision was final, and if I wanted to argue the point further I would need to come back after I had passed the bar.

The devs hands are tied. The producers hands are tied. Arguably, even the president of the company's hands are tied. No argument will work on any person you can reach via the forums. And even if you could somehow find and discuss this with the lawyers, good luck arguing with a corporate attorney.

We can ask for the cheaters to be removed from leaderboards. We cannot ask for a list of detected cheaters. I mean, we can ask, but the answer will be no. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they are barred from doing it by a directive that has no avenue to be appealed.

Every once in a while I ask about this, just to see if things have changed. As far as I'm aware, things have not changed.

I'm saying this as someone that can, because I'm pretty sure neither the developers nor the moderators themselves are allowed to specify the internals of decision making. In this one case I'm willing to say what I know, because a) I was not told this by the developers in any specific confidence (I'm only respecting the confidentiality of all private conversations I have, be they with other players or Kabam employees), and b) its only lawyers I'm throwing under the bus: Its not like I'm hurting actual people, and c) I already said a version of this long ago when I originally did all of this, but it has been long enough that I think no one remembers anymore.
I get why cheaters cant be revealed for legal reasons. But I do believe the punishments should be much harsher. Big accounts should not get a slap on the wrist for modding. They should be perma banned

yeah but those big accounts do not spend money? maybe thats the reason they dont ban those accounts

Demonzfyre · October 2022

BitterSteel said:

DNA3000 said:

BitterSteel said:

Demonzfyre said:

91KiX said:

DNA3000 said:

GAV3777 said:
You must show us what accounts were banned and also show us results.
Same thing with allys who are constantly docked you must kick off the alliance and show us some dignity!
We're getting older waiting for some of that.
Thx
The developers cannot do this.

A long while ago I attempted to make this case directly to Kabam. I can't share those communications, but here's what I can say:

1. At the time, I was communicating through Adora. It was that long ago.

2. I was eventually put indirectly in touch with the decision makers for this specific decision.

3. Those decision makers were Kabam's legal staff.

4. The gist of what I was eventually told was that this decision was based on legal reasoning, this decision was final, and if I wanted to argue the point further I would need to come back after I had passed the bar.

The devs hands are tied. The producers hands are tied. Arguably, even the president of the company's hands are tied. No argument will work on any person you can reach via the forums. And even if you could somehow find and discuss this with the lawyers, good luck arguing with a corporate attorney.

We can ask for the cheaters to be removed from leaderboards. We cannot ask for a list of detected cheaters. I mean, we can ask, but the answer will be no. Not because they don't want to do it, but because they are barred from doing it by a directive that has no avenue to be appealed.

Every once in a while I ask about this, just to see if things have changed. As far as I'm aware, things have not changed.

I'm saying this as someone that can, because I'm pretty sure neither the developers nor the moderators themselves are allowed to specify the internals of decision making. In this one case I'm willing to say what I know, because a) I was not told this by the developers in any specific confidence (I'm only respecting the confidentiality of all private conversations I have, be they with other players or Kabam employees), and b) its only lawyers I'm throwing under the bus: Its not like I'm hurting actual people, and c) I already said a version of this long ago when I originally did all of this, but it has been long enough that I think no one remembers anymore.
Sir, you are forgetting the 2 most important people in relation to kabam that could actually figure this out, in probably no time, yet they are mysteriously absent as of late. I’ll guess I’ll tag them for input.. @Demonzfyre @GroundedWisdom ?? Thanks in advance!!
DNA is closer to the devs than any of us so whatever he says, I agree with.
He said that Mr Negative was better than Silver Centurion. Sorry bud.
I can neither confirm nor deny that this guy:

is better than this guy:

Everyone will just have to decide for themselves which one is the superior champion, without any statement from me on the matter.
@Demonzfyre something something sauce?

I'm going to assume he hasn't learned the way of the Centurion yet. I'm also going to assume he has no tech resources either to rank him up.

MagicBenton · October 2022

Kabam Jax said:
Hey everyone,

Here with an update from the game team:

We banned and removed many players from the leaderboard last week. Some additional cheaters have since joined the top ranks of the Gladiator's Circuit. Our intention was to clean up the leaderboard again before rewards were paid out, but the system unintentionally ended the season and sent out the rewards before we had a chance. We are exploring options to address this issue.

To add to that: It appears that the process of banning modders is similar to AW; modders/cheaters are banned but we have an issue with showing you all, as they still appear on the leaderboards. We can tell you, but without showing you we know there will always be skepticism; the transparency is where the issue lies.

I know work is continuing on combatting modders/cheaters, both for this season and for the future.

The timeline is uncertain, but we will certainly return with more information as this situation is explored internally.

This is the exact same response we got in the last Beta. Then when the "correction" was done there were only 20 or so in the top 1000 that got banned. Despite there being almost that amount of blatant cheaters in the top 100 list alone.

When we pointed this out on the forums after the Beta the threads were closed and posts were deleted. I expected the same to happen again for the first season...and well you all did not disappoint. Exact same thing. I'm sure after the "corrections" are done there will be a lot of complaints about how few bans were done and the response will be the same "we can't talk about how many were banned" nonsense.

It's really infuriating and ruining the best game mode.

PetieCameron · October 2022

Does everyone get rank rewards for bg's it doesn't say u have to bypass a certain amount to get them on alliance & single & I haven't had either I had rewards but not rank?

Qwerty12345 · October 2022

If it ends up that...

1: keeping the permanent bans, and removing the resources from ones who got temporary bans
2: gives out what players "should have got" in rank rewards to players who would have got them if the banned accounts weren't in the leader board
3: gives out energy and some trophies to anyone who played and lost to one of these accounts (per time they fought)...

then all would be good for this round. It really doesn't matter if a perma-ban account has unlimited resources if no-one can use it.

Hopefully this is done, and lessons can be learned to use the full off-season week to get it right going forward (this was after all the first "non-beta" time, and I believe 2nd time doing rank rewards.

Pupkac · October 2022

Any update Kabam? Pls.

Standardman1989 · October 2022

Its long to waited reward.. i hope It’s because you’re watching cheaters or I don’t know what..

Kasnow1 · October 2022

You can fool a thousand people once, but not the same person a thousand times.

BG rewards wrong, no cheaters banned

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