Should white/black list be a thing in BGs?

I'm trying to suggest something to make it more challenging......

It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful

Why does BG’s need to be more challenging? We already have specific weekly metas, with some being very restrictive (e.g. the autoblock meta).

If I understand correctly, you want to

a) restrict rosters with 3 initial bans
b) restrict roster some more with weekly meta’s
c) restrict roster even further with additional player-base wide bans.

Doesn’t sound so fun.

Also please don't make all those assumptions, I'm not creating this post to rant or have a moan to say I'm struggling etc. I'm enjoying this mode, ive had ups n downs like we all do and me banning them 3 champs works for the most part. If anything, I want the mode to be more skill based and challenging hence the whole post.

The changing nodes are great in theory, they allow different options to use from week to week but only in glad circuit. Take this month for example, the entire month of victory track has cgr aa torch all amazing options for it. Some variety would be nice.

To clarify, I'm not in victory track anymore but man it did suck trying to work through it with the same nodes lol

You've understood incorrectly. I just want a more challenging mode that doesn't award speed as highly as it does currently. I'll still play regardless but would be nice if true skill was awarded

The entire aim of the mode is to finish your fight faster, and with more health than your opponent. If you do that with champs other than torch/AA that’s ‘true skill’, but if you use those champs it isn’t?

Making zero sense here.

Coppin

Yeah sure why not... People complain about roster disparity between whales and F2P.. lets make F2P rosters shorter...

Beating Thing using Scorpion is skill - using Falcon is pure domination.

Beating Kingpin or Moleman using Claire is skill - using Archangel is nuking.

Beating Mystics using Mr Negative is skill - using Torch is not skill, it is ridiculous domination.

Point is, there is a clear difference between using nukes like Falcon, Torch, Archangel to finish fights in seconds and using other champions where you actually have to think, use combos and keep count of roadblocks like rock stacks.

Exactly how is using the nuke champions skillful? What is skillful about locked on/ neurotoxins/ Nova flames?

This is possibly the worst argument I’ve ever seen in my time here on this forum.

So we should just perma ban any champ that hard counters another champ? Ok gotcha 🤦🏻‍♂️

Clearly you're someone with a big roster or you sandbag. I see some top Youtubers with great rosters and skill banning Torch/Archangel religiously. And for you to say expand your deck so lightly is a bit obnoxious because it is not as easy as you make it seem. Not everybody is a spender or grinds for hours on end, it actually takes time and hard work to expand your roster. Gold, iso, champions aren't handed out freely.

Lol In that case, since you're so smart please explain to us why the War global ban was introduced to restrict top nuke champions like Torch, Spiderman 2099, Hercules, Kingpin? Was it just for fun or for the sake of it?

Coppin

Was it for skill sake?.. i guess u could argue yes..in a way.. except banning easy path clearing champs actually makes them PROFIT...not the same thing in BGs...

Charlie21540

So to start off, there's still skill involved with using champs like Falcon, Torch, and Archangel. Especially depending who you're up against. Just cause their kit works against whoever they're up against, doesn't mean they are guaranteed to win. I've seen it first hand. Mistakes happen.

Also, a big thing I feel is being overlooked is how much BGs comes down to just pure strategy and a little RNG luck. I never ban those champs you listed, but that's because they are in my deck as well, and one strategy I use, is to not ban any champs that are in my deck. I don't want to shrink or hurt my own deck. That's a strategy I personally use. Another I use, if I see someone draft a torch or an archangel, I start drafting to counter those specific characters. I stop going for my defensive mystic champs. I stop going for the champs that can just be bled and poisoned.

As far as luck goes, that's on hoping during the drafting phase I get the champ options to make my opponents fights very difficult or make my victories easier to come by. But again, this will also boil down to strategizing.

Thinking that just cause your opponent has those champs, they can cake walk and get easy victories against you, is poor logic. Don't make the fights so easy on them. Yes, some of this is going to revolve around roster strength too but it's a competitive game mode, the bigger accounts are obviously going to have an easier time collecting the wins. Anyone that wants to be competitive in this game mode is going to have to make some specific roster upgrades for it. I know I have.

If we're just going to constantly ban these champs everywhere in the game, what's the point in having them and ranking them up anymore?

I thought about it and I realized it's my fault for trying to make unreasonable people see reason. I apologize for trying to make you understand simple logic and thus engaging in pointless arguments. I'm quite sure the people disagreeing to the blacklist idea pretty much just like melting opponents using Human Torch and other nukes for easy wins. In every match I've had, there's not a single opponent that hasn't picked Human Torch. If not for easy wins, why else would you be so opposed to the idea of a global ban? After all, it was introduced to war for a reason. If you think using Nova Flames, Locked on and Neurotoxins is skillful then you really don't understand what actual skill in this game is and I won't waste my time trying to educate you.

GinjabredMonsta

Your problem here is you’re assuming that people are set in their ways for easy wins and that your the one with logic and everyone else is being unreasonable. You’re being just as unreasonable at the moment and thinking you’re clearly right and everyone else is wrong and blind. That’s ignorant

Dragoon81

Just no, bans are a blacklist and why have bans if we have a white list..just no. Already hate this feature in war.

Charlie21540

I was thinking the same thing. Just because I have an opposing view where I don't want my champion options restricted anymore than it already is, I'm unreasonable? Quit giving your opponent easy wins then, problem solved.

This comment by Eugene just sounds like that kid in school who got really upset and start yelling at all the other kids, and throwing a tantrum, just cause his idea wasn't as popular as he had hoped.

zuffy

How is it ignorance when there is already a choice to ban 3 champs? Ban the champs you don’t like. You don’t need a global blacklist for additional bans. I suck against ebony maw but because I have him on deck too, I don’t ban him. I just have to learn to deal with him if ebony is a defender.

Ah yes, the classic ‘you aren’t agreeing with any of my poorly constructed, and often irrelevant, points of argument, therefore you’re all unreasonable’

Throw in that I’m now accused as being either a whale with a massive account, or a sandbagger with no idea what skill means in this game, and I’d say we’ve had a successful conversation.

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Because you're making assumptions that I am struggling to fight a certain champ. That is not the case. Clearly you're mis reading my initial post.

zuffy

This is your first post, mentioning many pita defenders. That indicate you hate certain defenders and want it ban from global.

“I think it would be a welcome addition to the mode, there's too many pita defenders and cheese options for attackers to pick just 3.”

I just love how everyone assumes I'm suggesting this because I am struggling with x y or z 🤦‍♂️.

And this is your response. You're making assumptions about my knowledge and skill level when in fact I said nothing of the matter.

Hell no. It’s a competition. If you can’t beat that champ, time to learn.

zuffy

And what is wrong with that comment? It’s fact. It’s a mode where everyone can compete for the same rewards. No separate league.

OK, so if my post was to say ...

"I'm having a tough time fighting Thing and Korg in BGs but similarly I don't want them to use nuke options like Torch, AA, Sunspot. What can I do?"

Then yes you're comments/assumptions of my knowledge and skill would be warranted, but I didn't, did I?

Also I never said there was anything "wrong" with your comments, I said it was an ignorant comment. Which is accurate

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