The single champ that maybe fits this in my opinion is torch. There's almost no fights he doesn't work for and the very few he doesn't you were probably prepared to deal with. He would be fine if not for the prefight. The utility is still really good, miss counter, regen counter, dot. But with his prefight the guy is unstoppable. Nobody is immune to nova flames and they tear through everything. Nova flames are also passives, so they don't get purified. You have energy resistance, but anything with energy resistance also probably hands out smolders. One of the things that makes him crazy on top of that is that he pretty much has no rotation. You can play stun immune, only heavy, no specials, any combination based on the fight. I don't know if what your saying should or shouldn't be a thing but torch definitely comes to mind. The guy has great damage, great utility, no limits as far as immunities, and basically no rotation. Archangel is kinda similar in some ways but he needs matchups with neither of the 2 most common immunities, is risker if he can't parry, and can be unlucky sometimes(also aar). Point being you can place defenders where he wouldn't be ideal. Torch has mild inconveniences at best.
I don't think he should be blacklisted or anything, but as far as broken goes he's way above everyone imo.
Torch is the one that comes to my mind too. I hate that he has a permanent ban spot for me, it's like I get 2 bans per war coz everyone I match has him in their deck 😂. The bans IMO are there to ban the cheese options, AA, Torch and CGR, I think not banning them is too risky in most metas from my own XP. Sometimes I'd like to ban others for strategic reasons but then by doing so I give them a cheese option. Kinda feels like one of those 6 of one and half a dozen of the other scenario. LOL
The bans aren’t simply there to ban the cheese options.
I haven’t been banning any of the 3 champions you’ve mentioned all season and I’m in the top 600 players at the moment. Perhaps try experimenting with other defenders that counter AA, torch etc.
Rather than suggesting things that strip back and restrict the amount of choice the players get, maybe work on expanding your deck to give yourself a wider choice of options.
I'm trying to suggest something to make it more challenging......
It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful
The single champ that maybe fits this in my opinion is torch. There's almost no fights he doesn't work for and the very few he doesn't you were probably prepared to deal with. He would be fine if not for the prefight. The utility is still really good, miss counter, regen counter, dot. But with his prefight the guy is unstoppable. Nobody is immune to nova flames and they tear through everything. Nova flames are also passives, so they don't get purified. You have energy resistance, but anything with energy resistance also probably hands out smolders. One of the things that makes him crazy on top of that is that he pretty much has no rotation. You can play stun immune, only heavy, no specials, any combination based on the fight. I don't know if what your saying should or shouldn't be a thing but torch definitely comes to mind. The guy has great damage, great utility, no limits as far as immunities, and basically no rotation. Archangel is kinda similar in some ways but he needs matchups with neither of the 2 most common immunities, is risker if he can't parry, and can be unlucky sometimes(also aar). Point being you can place defenders where he wouldn't be ideal. Torch has mild inconveniences at best.
I don't think he should be blacklisted or anything, but as far as broken goes he's way above everyone imo.
Torch is the one that comes to my mind too. I hate that he has a permanent ban spot for me, it's like I get 2 bans per war coz everyone I match has him in their deck 😂. The bans IMO are there to ban the cheese options, AA, Torch and CGR, I think not banning them is too risky in most metas from my own XP. Sometimes I'd like to ban others for strategic reasons but then by doing so I give them a cheese option. Kinda feels like one of those 6 of one and half a dozen of the other scenario. LOL
The bans aren’t simply there to ban the cheese options.
I haven’t been banning any of the 3 champions you’ve mentioned all season and I’m in the top 600 players at the moment. Perhaps try experimenting with other defenders that counter AA, torch etc.
Rather than suggesting things that strip back and restrict the amount of choice the players get, maybe work on expanding your deck to give yourself a wider choice of options.
I'm trying to suggest something to make it more challenging......
It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful
Why does BG’s need to be more challenging? We already have specific weekly metas, with some being very restrictive (e.g. the autoblock meta).
If I understand correctly, you want to
a) restrict rosters with 3 initial bans b) restrict roster some more with weekly meta’s c) restrict roster even further with additional player-base wide bans.
Also please don't make all those assumptions, I'm not creating this post to rant or have a moan to say I'm struggling etc. I'm enjoying this mode, ive had ups n downs like we all do and me banning them 3 champs works for the most part. If anything, I want the mode to be more skill based and challenging hence the whole post.
The changing nodes are great in theory, they allow different options to use from week to week but only in glad circuit. Take this month for example, the entire month of victory track has cgr aa torch all amazing options for it. Some variety would be nice.
To clarify, I'm not in victory track anymore but man it did suck trying to work through it with the same nodes lol
The single champ that maybe fits this in my opinion is torch. There's almost no fights he doesn't work for and the very few he doesn't you were probably prepared to deal with. He would be fine if not for the prefight. The utility is still really good, miss counter, regen counter, dot. But with his prefight the guy is unstoppable. Nobody is immune to nova flames and they tear through everything. Nova flames are also passives, so they don't get purified. You have energy resistance, but anything with energy resistance also probably hands out smolders. One of the things that makes him crazy on top of that is that he pretty much has no rotation. You can play stun immune, only heavy, no specials, any combination based on the fight. I don't know if what your saying should or shouldn't be a thing but torch definitely comes to mind. The guy has great damage, great utility, no limits as far as immunities, and basically no rotation. Archangel is kinda similar in some ways but he needs matchups with neither of the 2 most common immunities, is risker if he can't parry, and can be unlucky sometimes(also aar). Point being you can place defenders where he wouldn't be ideal. Torch has mild inconveniences at best.
I don't think he should be blacklisted or anything, but as far as broken goes he's way above everyone imo.
Torch is the one that comes to my mind too. I hate that he has a permanent ban spot for me, it's like I get 2 bans per war coz everyone I match has him in their deck 😂. The bans IMO are there to ban the cheese options, AA, Torch and CGR, I think not banning them is too risky in most metas from my own XP. Sometimes I'd like to ban others for strategic reasons but then by doing so I give them a cheese option. Kinda feels like one of those 6 of one and half a dozen of the other scenario. LOL
The bans aren’t simply there to ban the cheese options.
I haven’t been banning any of the 3 champions you’ve mentioned all season and I’m in the top 600 players at the moment. Perhaps try experimenting with other defenders that counter AA, torch etc.
Rather than suggesting things that strip back and restrict the amount of choice the players get, maybe work on expanding your deck to give yourself a wider choice of options.
I'm trying to suggest something to make it more challenging......
It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful
Why does BG’s need to be more challenging? We already have specific weekly metas, with some being very restrictive (e.g. the autoblock meta).
If I understand correctly, you want to
a) restrict rosters with 3 initial bans b) restrict roster some more with weekly meta’s c) restrict roster even further with additional player-base wide bans.
Doesn’t sound so fun.
You've understood incorrectly. I just want a more challenging mode that doesn't award speed as highly as it does currently. I'll still play regardless but would be nice if true skill was awarded
The single champ that maybe fits this in my opinion is torch. There's almost no fights he doesn't work for and the very few he doesn't you were probably prepared to deal with. He would be fine if not for the prefight. The utility is still really good, miss counter, regen counter, dot. But with his prefight the guy is unstoppable. Nobody is immune to nova flames and they tear through everything. Nova flames are also passives, so they don't get purified. You have energy resistance, but anything with energy resistance also probably hands out smolders. One of the things that makes him crazy on top of that is that he pretty much has no rotation. You can play stun immune, only heavy, no specials, any combination based on the fight. I don't know if what your saying should or shouldn't be a thing but torch definitely comes to mind. The guy has great damage, great utility, no limits as far as immunities, and basically no rotation. Archangel is kinda similar in some ways but he needs matchups with neither of the 2 most common immunities, is risker if he can't parry, and can be unlucky sometimes(also aar). Point being you can place defenders where he wouldn't be ideal. Torch has mild inconveniences at best.
I don't think he should be blacklisted or anything, but as far as broken goes he's way above everyone imo.
Torch is the one that comes to my mind too. I hate that he has a permanent ban spot for me, it's like I get 2 bans per war coz everyone I match has him in their deck 😂. The bans IMO are there to ban the cheese options, AA, Torch and CGR, I think not banning them is too risky in most metas from my own XP. Sometimes I'd like to ban others for strategic reasons but then by doing so I give them a cheese option. Kinda feels like one of those 6 of one and half a dozen of the other scenario. LOL
The bans aren’t simply there to ban the cheese options.
I haven’t been banning any of the 3 champions you’ve mentioned all season and I’m in the top 600 players at the moment. Perhaps try experimenting with other defenders that counter AA, torch etc.
Rather than suggesting things that strip back and restrict the amount of choice the players get, maybe work on expanding your deck to give yourself a wider choice of options.
I'm trying to suggest something to make it more challenging......
It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful
Why does BG’s need to be more challenging? We already have specific weekly metas, with some being very restrictive (e.g. the autoblock meta).
If I understand correctly, you want to
a) restrict rosters with 3 initial bans b) restrict roster some more with weekly meta’s c) restrict roster even further with additional player-base wide bans.
Doesn’t sound so fun.
You've understood incorrectly. I just want a more challenging mode that doesn't award speed as highly as it does currently. I'll still play regardless but would be nice if true skill was awarded
The entire aim of the mode is to finish your fight faster, and with more health than your opponent. If you do that with champs other than torch/AA that’s ‘true skill’, but if you use those champs it isn’t?
The single champ that maybe fits this in my opinion is torch. There's almost no fights he doesn't work for and the very few he doesn't you were probably prepared to deal with. He would be fine if not for the prefight. The utility is still really good, miss counter, regen counter, dot. But with his prefight the guy is unstoppable. Nobody is immune to nova flames and they tear through everything. Nova flames are also passives, so they don't get purified. You have energy resistance, but anything with energy resistance also probably hands out smolders. One of the things that makes him crazy on top of that is that he pretty much has no rotation. You can play stun immune, only heavy, no specials, any combination based on the fight. I don't know if what your saying should or shouldn't be a thing but torch definitely comes to mind. The guy has great damage, great utility, no limits as far as immunities, and basically no rotation. Archangel is kinda similar in some ways but he needs matchups with neither of the 2 most common immunities, is risker if he can't parry, and can be unlucky sometimes(also aar). Point being you can place defenders where he wouldn't be ideal. Torch has mild inconveniences at best.
I don't think he should be blacklisted or anything, but as far as broken goes he's way above everyone imo.
Torch is the one that comes to my mind too. I hate that he has a permanent ban spot for me, it's like I get 2 bans per war coz everyone I match has him in their deck 😂. The bans IMO are there to ban the cheese options, AA, Torch and CGR, I think not banning them is too risky in most metas from my own XP. Sometimes I'd like to ban others for strategic reasons but then by doing so I give them a cheese option. Kinda feels like one of those 6 of one and half a dozen of the other scenario. LOL
The bans aren’t simply there to ban the cheese options.
I haven’t been banning any of the 3 champions you’ve mentioned all season and I’m in the top 600 players at the moment. Perhaps try experimenting with other defenders that counter AA, torch etc.
Rather than suggesting things that strip back and restrict the amount of choice the players get, maybe work on expanding your deck to give yourself a wider choice of options.
I'm trying to suggest something to make it more challenging......
It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful
Why does BG’s need to be more challenging? We already have specific weekly metas, with some being very restrictive (e.g. the autoblock meta).
If I understand correctly, you want to
a) restrict rosters with 3 initial bans b) restrict roster some more with weekly meta’s c) restrict roster even further with additional player-base wide bans.
Doesn’t sound so fun.
You've understood incorrectly. I just want a more challenging mode that doesn't award speed as highly as it does currently. I'll still play regardless but would be nice if true skill was awarded
The entire aim of the mode is to finish your fight faster, and with more health than your opponent. If you do that with champs other than torch/AA that’s ‘true skill’, but if you use those champs it isn’t?
Making zero sense here.
Beating Thing using Scorpion is skill - using Falcon is pure domination.
Beating Kingpin or Moleman using Claire is skill - using Archangel is nuking.
Beating Mystics using Mr Negative is skill - using Torch is not skill, it is ridiculous domination.
Point is, there is a clear difference between using nukes like Falcon, Torch, Archangel to finish fights in seconds and using other champions where you actually have to think, use combos and keep count of roadblocks like rock stacks.
The single champ that maybe fits this in my opinion is torch. There's almost no fights he doesn't work for and the very few he doesn't you were probably prepared to deal with. He would be fine if not for the prefight. The utility is still really good, miss counter, regen counter, dot. But with his prefight the guy is unstoppable. Nobody is immune to nova flames and they tear through everything. Nova flames are also passives, so they don't get purified. You have energy resistance, but anything with energy resistance also probably hands out smolders. One of the things that makes him crazy on top of that is that he pretty much has no rotation. You can play stun immune, only heavy, no specials, any combination based on the fight. I don't know if what your saying should or shouldn't be a thing but torch definitely comes to mind. The guy has great damage, great utility, no limits as far as immunities, and basically no rotation. Archangel is kinda similar in some ways but he needs matchups with neither of the 2 most common immunities, is risker if he can't parry, and can be unlucky sometimes(also aar). Point being you can place defenders where he wouldn't be ideal. Torch has mild inconveniences at best.
I don't think he should be blacklisted or anything, but as far as broken goes he's way above everyone imo.
Torch is the one that comes to my mind too. I hate that he has a permanent ban spot for me, it's like I get 2 bans per war coz everyone I match has him in their deck 😂. The bans IMO are there to ban the cheese options, AA, Torch and CGR, I think not banning them is too risky in most metas from my own XP. Sometimes I'd like to ban others for strategic reasons but then by doing so I give them a cheese option. Kinda feels like one of those 6 of one and half a dozen of the other scenario. LOL
The bans aren’t simply there to ban the cheese options.
I haven’t been banning any of the 3 champions you’ve mentioned all season and I’m in the top 600 players at the moment. Perhaps try experimenting with other defenders that counter AA, torch etc.
Rather than suggesting things that strip back and restrict the amount of choice the players get, maybe work on expanding your deck to give yourself a wider choice of options.
I'm trying to suggest something to make it more challenging......
It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful
Why does BG’s need to be more challenging? We already have specific weekly metas, with some being very restrictive (e.g. the autoblock meta).
If I understand correctly, you want to
a) restrict rosters with 3 initial bans b) restrict roster some more with weekly meta’s c) restrict roster even further with additional player-base wide bans.
Doesn’t sound so fun.
You've understood incorrectly. I just want a more challenging mode that doesn't award speed as highly as it does currently. I'll still play regardless but would be nice if true skill was awarded
The entire aim of the mode is to finish your fight faster, and with more health than your opponent. If you do that with champs other than torch/AA that’s ‘true skill’, but if you use those champs it isn’t?
Making zero sense here.
Exactly how is using the nuke champions skillful? What is skillful about locked on/ neurotoxins/ Nova flames?
The single champ that maybe fits this in my opinion is torch. There's almost no fights he doesn't work for and the very few he doesn't you were probably prepared to deal with. He would be fine if not for the prefight. The utility is still really good, miss counter, regen counter, dot. But with his prefight the guy is unstoppable. Nobody is immune to nova flames and they tear through everything. Nova flames are also passives, so they don't get purified. You have energy resistance, but anything with energy resistance also probably hands out smolders. One of the things that makes him crazy on top of that is that he pretty much has no rotation. You can play stun immune, only heavy, no specials, any combination based on the fight. I don't know if what your saying should or shouldn't be a thing but torch definitely comes to mind. The guy has great damage, great utility, no limits as far as immunities, and basically no rotation. Archangel is kinda similar in some ways but he needs matchups with neither of the 2 most common immunities, is risker if he can't parry, and can be unlucky sometimes(also aar). Point being you can place defenders where he wouldn't be ideal. Torch has mild inconveniences at best.
I don't think he should be blacklisted or anything, but as far as broken goes he's way above everyone imo.
Torch is the one that comes to my mind too. I hate that he has a permanent ban spot for me, it's like I get 2 bans per war coz everyone I match has him in their deck 😂. The bans IMO are there to ban the cheese options, AA, Torch and CGR, I think not banning them is too risky in most metas from my own XP. Sometimes I'd like to ban others for strategic reasons but then by doing so I give them a cheese option. Kinda feels like one of those 6 of one and half a dozen of the other scenario. LOL
The bans aren’t simply there to ban the cheese options.
I haven’t been banning any of the 3 champions you’ve mentioned all season and I’m in the top 600 players at the moment. Perhaps try experimenting with other defenders that counter AA, torch etc.
Rather than suggesting things that strip back and restrict the amount of choice the players get, maybe work on expanding your deck to give yourself a wider choice of options.
I'm trying to suggest something to make it more challenging......
It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful
Why does BG’s need to be more challenging? We already have specific weekly metas, with some being very restrictive (e.g. the autoblock meta).
If I understand correctly, you want to
a) restrict rosters with 3 initial bans b) restrict roster some more with weekly meta’s c) restrict roster even further with additional player-base wide bans.
Doesn’t sound so fun.
You've understood incorrectly. I just want a more challenging mode that doesn't award speed as highly as it does currently. I'll still play regardless but would be nice if true skill was awarded
The entire aim of the mode is to finish your fight faster, and with more health than your opponent. If you do that with champs other than torch/AA that’s ‘true skill’, but if you use those champs it isn’t?
Making zero sense here.
Beating Thing using Scorpion is skill - using Falcon is pure domination.
Beating Kingpin or Moleman using Claire is skill - using Archangel is nuking.
Beating Mystics using Mr Negative is skill - using Torch is not skill, it is ridiculous domination.
Point is, there is a clear difference between using nukes like Falcon, Torch, Archangel to finish fights in seconds and using other champions where you actually have to think, use combos and keep count of roadblocks like rock stacks.
This is possibly the worst argument I’ve ever seen in my time here on this forum.
So we should just perma ban any champ that hard counters another champ? Ok gotcha 🤦🏻♂️
The single champ that maybe fits this in my opinion is torch. There's almost no fights he doesn't work for and the very few he doesn't you were probably prepared to deal with. He would be fine if not for the prefight. The utility is still really good, miss counter, regen counter, dot. But with his prefight the guy is unstoppable. Nobody is immune to nova flames and they tear through everything. Nova flames are also passives, so they don't get purified. You have energy resistance, but anything with energy resistance also probably hands out smolders. One of the things that makes him crazy on top of that is that he pretty much has no rotation. You can play stun immune, only heavy, no specials, any combination based on the fight. I don't know if what your saying should or shouldn't be a thing but torch definitely comes to mind. The guy has great damage, great utility, no limits as far as immunities, and basically no rotation. Archangel is kinda similar in some ways but he needs matchups with neither of the 2 most common immunities, is risker if he can't parry, and can be unlucky sometimes(also aar). Point being you can place defenders where he wouldn't be ideal. Torch has mild inconveniences at best.
I don't think he should be blacklisted or anything, but as far as broken goes he's way above everyone imo.
Torch is the one that comes to my mind too. I hate that he has a permanent ban spot for me, it's like I get 2 bans per war coz everyone I match has him in their deck 😂. The bans IMO are there to ban the cheese options, AA, Torch and CGR, I think not banning them is too risky in most metas from my own XP. Sometimes I'd like to ban others for strategic reasons but then by doing so I give them a cheese option. Kinda feels like one of those 6 of one and half a dozen of the other scenario. LOL
The bans aren’t simply there to ban the cheese options.
I haven’t been banning any of the 3 champions you’ve mentioned all season and I’m in the top 600 players at the moment. Perhaps try experimenting with other defenders that counter AA, torch etc.
Rather than suggesting things that strip back and restrict the amount of choice the players get, maybe work on expanding your deck to give yourself a wider choice of options.
Clearly you're someone with a big roster or you sandbag. I see some top Youtubers with great rosters and skill banning Torch/Archangel religiously. And for you to say expand your deck so lightly is a bit obnoxious because it is not as easy as you make it seem. Not everybody is a spender or grinds for hours on end, it actually takes time and hard work to expand your roster. Gold, iso, champions aren't handed out freely.
The single champ that maybe fits this in my opinion is torch. There's almost no fights he doesn't work for and the very few he doesn't you were probably prepared to deal with. He would be fine if not for the prefight. The utility is still really good, miss counter, regen counter, dot. But with his prefight the guy is unstoppable. Nobody is immune to nova flames and they tear through everything. Nova flames are also passives, so they don't get purified. You have energy resistance, but anything with energy resistance also probably hands out smolders. One of the things that makes him crazy on top of that is that he pretty much has no rotation. You can play stun immune, only heavy, no specials, any combination based on the fight. I don't know if what your saying should or shouldn't be a thing but torch definitely comes to mind. The guy has great damage, great utility, no limits as far as immunities, and basically no rotation. Archangel is kinda similar in some ways but he needs matchups with neither of the 2 most common immunities, is risker if he can't parry, and can be unlucky sometimes(also aar). Point being you can place defenders where he wouldn't be ideal. Torch has mild inconveniences at best.
I don't think he should be blacklisted or anything, but as far as broken goes he's way above everyone imo.
Torch is the one that comes to my mind too. I hate that he has a permanent ban spot for me, it's like I get 2 bans per war coz everyone I match has him in their deck 😂. The bans IMO are there to ban the cheese options, AA, Torch and CGR, I think not banning them is too risky in most metas from my own XP. Sometimes I'd like to ban others for strategic reasons but then by doing so I give them a cheese option. Kinda feels like one of those 6 of one and half a dozen of the other scenario. LOL
The bans aren’t simply there to ban the cheese options.
I haven’t been banning any of the 3 champions you’ve mentioned all season and I’m in the top 600 players at the moment. Perhaps try experimenting with other defenders that counter AA, torch etc.
Rather than suggesting things that strip back and restrict the amount of choice the players get, maybe work on expanding your deck to give yourself a wider choice of options.
I'm trying to suggest something to make it more challenging......
It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful
Why does BG’s need to be more challenging? We already have specific weekly metas, with some being very restrictive (e.g. the autoblock meta).
If I understand correctly, you want to
a) restrict rosters with 3 initial bans b) restrict roster some more with weekly meta’s c) restrict roster even further with additional player-base wide bans.
Doesn’t sound so fun.
You've understood incorrectly. I just want a more challenging mode that doesn't award speed as highly as it does currently. I'll still play regardless but would be nice if true skill was awarded
The entire aim of the mode is to finish your fight faster, and with more health than your opponent. If you do that with champs other than torch/AA that’s ‘true skill’, but if you use those champs it isn’t?
Making zero sense here.
Beating Thing using Scorpion is skill - using Falcon is pure domination.
Beating Kingpin or Moleman using Claire is skill - using Archangel is nuking.
Beating Mystics using Mr Negative is skill - using Torch is not skill, it is ridiculous domination.
Point is, there is a clear difference between using nukes like Falcon, Torch, Archangel to finish fights in seconds and using other champions where you actually have to think, use combos and keep count of roadblocks like rock stacks.
This is possibly the worst argument I’ve ever seen in my time here on this forum.
So we should just perma ban any champ that hard counters another champ? Ok gotcha 🤦🏻♂️
Lol In that case, since you're so smart please explain to us why the War global ban was introduced to restrict top nuke champions like Torch, Spiderman 2099, Hercules, Kingpin? Was it just for fun or for the sake of it?
The single champ that maybe fits this in my opinion is torch. There's almost no fights he doesn't work for and the very few he doesn't you were probably prepared to deal with. He would be fine if not for the prefight. The utility is still really good, miss counter, regen counter, dot. But with his prefight the guy is unstoppable. Nobody is immune to nova flames and they tear through everything. Nova flames are also passives, so they don't get purified. You have energy resistance, but anything with energy resistance also probably hands out smolders. One of the things that makes him crazy on top of that is that he pretty much has no rotation. You can play stun immune, only heavy, no specials, any combination based on the fight. I don't know if what your saying should or shouldn't be a thing but torch definitely comes to mind. The guy has great damage, great utility, no limits as far as immunities, and basically no rotation. Archangel is kinda similar in some ways but he needs matchups with neither of the 2 most common immunities, is risker if he can't parry, and can be unlucky sometimes(also aar). Point being you can place defenders where he wouldn't be ideal. Torch has mild inconveniences at best.
I don't think he should be blacklisted or anything, but as far as broken goes he's way above everyone imo.
Torch is the one that comes to my mind too. I hate that he has a permanent ban spot for me, it's like I get 2 bans per war coz everyone I match has him in their deck 😂. The bans IMO are there to ban the cheese options, AA, Torch and CGR, I think not banning them is too risky in most metas from my own XP. Sometimes I'd like to ban others for strategic reasons but then by doing so I give them a cheese option. Kinda feels like one of those 6 of one and half a dozen of the other scenario. LOL
The bans aren’t simply there to ban the cheese options.
I haven’t been banning any of the 3 champions you’ve mentioned all season and I’m in the top 600 players at the moment. Perhaps try experimenting with other defenders that counter AA, torch etc.
Rather than suggesting things that strip back and restrict the amount of choice the players get, maybe work on expanding your deck to give yourself a wider choice of options.
I'm trying to suggest something to make it more challenging......
It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful
Why does BG’s need to be more challenging? We already have specific weekly metas, with some being very restrictive (e.g. the autoblock meta).
If I understand correctly, you want to
a) restrict rosters with 3 initial bans b) restrict roster some more with weekly meta’s c) restrict roster even further with additional player-base wide bans.
Doesn’t sound so fun.
You've understood incorrectly. I just want a more challenging mode that doesn't award speed as highly as it does currently. I'll still play regardless but would be nice if true skill was awarded
The entire aim of the mode is to finish your fight faster, and with more health than your opponent. If you do that with champs other than torch/AA that’s ‘true skill’, but if you use those champs it isn’t?
Making zero sense here.
Beating Thing using Scorpion is skill - using Falcon is pure domination.
Beating Kingpin or Moleman using Claire is skill - using Archangel is nuking.
Beating Mystics using Mr Negative is skill - using Torch is not skill, it is ridiculous domination.
Point is, there is a clear difference between using nukes like Falcon, Torch, Archangel to finish fights in seconds and using other champions where you actually have to think, use combos and keep count of roadblocks like rock stacks.
This is possibly the worst argument I’ve ever seen in my time here on this forum.
So we should just perma ban any champ that hard counters another champ? Ok gotcha 🤦🏻♂️
Lol In that case, since you're so smart please explain to us why the War global ban was introduced to restrict top nuke champions like Torch, Spiderman 2099, Hercules, Kingpin? Was it just for fun or for the sake of it?
Was it for skill sake?.. i guess u could argue yes..in a way.. except banning easy path clearing champs actually makes them PROFIT...not the same thing in BGs...
The single champ that maybe fits this in my opinion is torch. There's almost no fights he doesn't work for and the very few he doesn't you were probably prepared to deal with. He would be fine if not for the prefight. The utility is still really good, miss counter, regen counter, dot. But with his prefight the guy is unstoppable. Nobody is immune to nova flames and they tear through everything. Nova flames are also passives, so they don't get purified. You have energy resistance, but anything with energy resistance also probably hands out smolders. One of the things that makes him crazy on top of that is that he pretty much has no rotation. You can play stun immune, only heavy, no specials, any combination based on the fight. I don't know if what your saying should or shouldn't be a thing but torch definitely comes to mind. The guy has great damage, great utility, no limits as far as immunities, and basically no rotation. Archangel is kinda similar in some ways but he needs matchups with neither of the 2 most common immunities, is risker if he can't parry, and can be unlucky sometimes(also aar). Point being you can place defenders where he wouldn't be ideal. Torch has mild inconveniences at best.
I don't think he should be blacklisted or anything, but as far as broken goes he's way above everyone imo.
Torch is the one that comes to my mind too. I hate that he has a permanent ban spot for me, it's like I get 2 bans per war coz everyone I match has him in their deck 😂. The bans IMO are there to ban the cheese options, AA, Torch and CGR, I think not banning them is too risky in most metas from my own XP. Sometimes I'd like to ban others for strategic reasons but then by doing so I give them a cheese option. Kinda feels like one of those 6 of one and half a dozen of the other scenario. LOL
The bans aren’t simply there to ban the cheese options.
I haven’t been banning any of the 3 champions you’ve mentioned all season and I’m in the top 600 players at the moment. Perhaps try experimenting with other defenders that counter AA, torch etc.
Rather than suggesting things that strip back and restrict the amount of choice the players get, maybe work on expanding your deck to give yourself a wider choice of options.
I'm trying to suggest something to make it more challenging......
It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful
Why does BG’s need to be more challenging? We already have specific weekly metas, with some being very restrictive (e.g. the autoblock meta).
If I understand correctly, you want to
a) restrict rosters with 3 initial bans b) restrict roster some more with weekly meta’s c) restrict roster even further with additional player-base wide bans.
Doesn’t sound so fun.
You've understood incorrectly. I just want a more challenging mode that doesn't award speed as highly as it does currently. I'll still play regardless but would be nice if true skill was awarded
The entire aim of the mode is to finish your fight faster, and with more health than your opponent. If you do that with champs other than torch/AA that’s ‘true skill’, but if you use those champs it isn’t?
Making zero sense here.
Beating Thing using Scorpion is skill - using Falcon is pure domination.
Beating Kingpin or Moleman using Claire is skill - using Archangel is nuking.
Beating Mystics using Mr Negative is skill - using Torch is not skill, it is ridiculous domination.
Point is, there is a clear difference between using nukes like Falcon, Torch, Archangel to finish fights in seconds and using other champions where you actually have to think, use combos and keep count of roadblocks like rock stacks.
So to start off, there's still skill involved with using champs like Falcon, Torch, and Archangel. Especially depending who you're up against. Just cause their kit works against whoever they're up against, doesn't mean they are guaranteed to win. I've seen it first hand. Mistakes happen.
Also, a big thing I feel is being overlooked is how much BGs comes down to just pure strategy and a little RNG luck. I never ban those champs you listed, but that's because they are in my deck as well, and one strategy I use, is to not ban any champs that are in my deck. I don't want to shrink or hurt my own deck. That's a strategy I personally use. Another I use, if I see someone draft a torch or an archangel, I start drafting to counter those specific characters. I stop going for my defensive mystic champs. I stop going for the champs that can just be bled and poisoned.
As far as luck goes, that's on hoping during the drafting phase I get the champ options to make my opponents fights very difficult or make my victories easier to come by. But again, this will also boil down to strategizing.
Thinking that just cause your opponent has those champs, they can cake walk and get easy victories against you, is poor logic. Don't make the fights so easy on them. Yes, some of this is going to revolve around roster strength too but it's a competitive game mode, the bigger accounts are obviously going to have an easier time collecting the wins. Anyone that wants to be competitive in this game mode is going to have to make some specific roster upgrades for it. I know I have.
If we're just going to constantly ban these champs everywhere in the game, what's the point in having them and ranking them up anymore?
I thought about it and I realized it's my fault for trying to make unreasonable people see reason. I apologize for trying to make you understand simple logic and thus engaging in pointless arguments. I'm quite sure the people disagreeing to the blacklist idea pretty much just like melting opponents using Human Torch and other nukes for easy wins. In every match I've had, there's not a single opponent that hasn't picked Human Torch. If not for easy wins, why else would you be so opposed to the idea of a global ban? After all, it was introduced to war for a reason. If you think using Nova Flames, Locked on and Neurotoxins is skillful then you really don't understand what actual skill in this game is and I won't waste my time trying to educate you.
I thought about it and I realized it's my fault for trying to make unreasonable people see reason. I apologize for trying to make you understand simple logic and thus engaging in pointless arguments. I'm quite sure the people disagreeing to the blacklist idea pretty much just like melting opponents using Human Torch and other nukes for easy wins. In every match I've had, there's not a single opponent that hasn't picked Human Torch. If not for easy wins, why else would you be so opposed to the idea of a global ban? After all, it was introduced to war for a reason. If you think using Nova Flames, Locked on and Neurotoxins is skillful then you really don't understand what actual skill in this game is and I won't waste my time trying to educate you.
Your problem here is you’re assuming that people are set in their ways for easy wins and that your the one with logic and everyone else is being unreasonable. You’re being just as unreasonable at the moment and thinking you’re clearly right and everyone else is wrong and blind. That’s ignorant
I thought about it and I realized it's my fault for trying to make unreasonable people see reason. I apologize for trying to make you understand simple logic and thus engaging in pointless arguments. I'm quite sure the people disagreeing to the blacklist idea pretty much just like melting opponents using Human Torch and other nukes for easy wins. In every match I've had, there's not a single opponent that hasn't picked Human Torch. If not for easy wins, why else would you be so opposed to the idea of a global ban? After all, it was introduced to war for a reason. If you think using Nova Flames, Locked on and Neurotoxins is skillful then you really don't understand what actual skill in this game is and I won't waste my time trying to educate you.
Your problem here is you’re assuming that people are set in their ways for easy wins and that your the one with logic and everyone else is being unreasonable. You’re being just as unreasonable at the moment and thinking you’re clearly right and everyone else is wrong and blind. That’s ignorant
I was thinking the same thing. Just because I have an opposing view where I don't want my champion options restricted anymore than it already is, I'm unreasonable? Quit giving your opponent easy wins then, problem solved.
This comment by Eugene just sounds like that kid in school who got really upset and start yelling at all the other kids, and throwing a tantrum, just cause his idea wasn't as popular as he had hoped.
Hell no. It’s a competition. If you can’t beat that champ, time to learn.
Such an ignorant response.... get good 🤦♂️ like anyone has actually complained about any one defender and not knowing hot to fight them.
How is it ignorance when there is already a choice to ban 3 champs? Ban the champs you don’t like. You don’t need a global blacklist for additional bans. I suck against ebony maw but because I have him on deck too, I don’t ban him. I just have to learn to deal with him if ebony is a defender.
I thought about it and I realized it's my fault for trying to make unreasonable people see reason. I apologize for trying to make you understand simple logic and thus engaging in pointless arguments. I'm quite sure the people disagreeing to the blacklist idea pretty much just like melting opponents using Human Torch and other nukes for easy wins. In every match I've had, there's not a single opponent that hasn't picked Human Torch. If not for easy wins, why else would you be so opposed to the idea of a global ban? After all, it was introduced to war for a reason. If you think using Nova Flames, Locked on and Neurotoxins is skillful then you really don't understand what actual skill in this game is and I won't waste my time trying to educate you.
Ah yes, the classic ‘you aren’t agreeing with any of my poorly constructed, and often irrelevant, points of argument, therefore you’re all unreasonable’
Throw in that I’m now accused as being either a whale with a massive account, or a sandbagger with no idea what skill means in this game, and I’d say we’ve had a successful conversation.
Hell no. It’s a competition. If you can’t beat that champ, time to learn.
Such an ignorant response.... get good 🤦♂️ like anyone has actually complained about any one defender and not knowing hot to fight them.
How is it ignorance when there is already a choice to ban 3 champs? Ban the champs you don’t like. You don’t need a global blacklist for additional bans. I suck against ebony maw but because I have him on deck too, I don’t ban him. I just have to learn to deal with him if ebony is a defender.
Because you're making assumptions that I am struggling to fight a certain champ. That is not the case. Clearly you're mis reading my initial post.
Hell no. It’s a competition. If you can’t beat that champ, time to learn.
Such an ignorant response.... get good 🤦♂️ like anyone has actually complained about any one defender and not knowing hot to fight them.
How is it ignorance when there is already a choice to ban 3 champs? Ban the champs you don’t like. You don’t need a global blacklist for additional bans. I suck against ebony maw but because I have him on deck too, I don’t ban him. I just have to learn to deal with him if ebony is a defender.
Because you're making assumptions that I am struggling to fight a certain champ. That is not the case. Clearly you're mis reading my initial post.
This is your first post, mentioning many pita defenders. That indicate you hate certain defenders and want it ban from global.
“I think it would be a welcome addition to the mode, there's too many pita defenders and cheese options for attackers to pick just 3.”
Hell no. It’s a competition. If you can’t beat that champ, time to learn.
Such an ignorant response.... get good 🤦♂️ like anyone has actually complained about any one defender and not knowing hot to fight them.
How is it ignorance when there is already a choice to ban 3 champs? Ban the champs you don’t like. You don’t need a global blacklist for additional bans. I suck against ebony maw but because I have him on deck too, I don’t ban him. I just have to learn to deal with him if ebony is a defender.
Because you're making assumptions that I am struggling to fight a certain champ. That is not the case. Clearly you're mis reading my initial post.
This is your first post, mentioning many pita defenders. That indicate you hate certain defenders and want it ban from global.
“I think it would be a welcome addition to the mode, there's too many pita defenders and cheese options for attackers to pick just 3.”
And this is your response. You're making assumptions about my knowledge and skill level when in fact I said nothing of the matter.
Hell no. It’s a competition. If you can’t beat that champ, time to learn.
I just love how everyone assumes I'm suggesting this because I am struggling with x y or z 🤦♂️.
Explain why you think it's a good idea then. I don't see how having more champs be unusable, makes the mode more enjoyable. It would only hurt smaller accounts and make it harder for them to compete with bigger accounts. It would actually make for a more uneven playing field.
Right, so first of, put in the top half gladiator circuit ... that's the smaller accounts eliminated.
It could add another element of thought and strategy into the mode.
Just want to add that I am not saying this should happen, it was 1 suggestion to try make it more challenging. I'd like the draft phase to not be as affected by rng like it is currently and think that could aid toward that. Having rng against you in there is actually make or break. Maybe it would make it worse maybe it wouldn't, I don't know. Hence the post
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It's a skill based mode, nothing about cheering is skillful
If I understand correctly, you want to
a) restrict rosters with 3 initial bans
b) restrict roster some more with weekly meta’s
c) restrict roster even further with additional player-base wide bans.
Doesn’t sound so fun.
The changing nodes are great in theory, they allow different options to use from week to week but only in glad circuit. Take this month for example, the entire month of victory track has cgr aa torch all amazing options for it. Some variety would be nice.
To clarify, I'm not in victory track anymore but man it did suck trying to work through it with the same nodes lol
Making zero sense here.
Beating Kingpin or Moleman using Claire is skill - using Archangel is nuking.
Beating Mystics using Mr Negative is skill - using Torch is not skill, it is ridiculous domination.
Point is, there is a clear difference between using nukes like Falcon, Torch, Archangel to finish fights in seconds and using other champions where you actually have to think, use combos and keep count of roadblocks like rock stacks.
So we should just perma ban any champ that hard counters another champ? Ok gotcha 🤦🏻♂️
Also, a big thing I feel is being overlooked is how much BGs comes down to just pure strategy and a little RNG luck. I never ban those champs you listed, but that's because they are in my deck as well, and one strategy I use, is to not ban any champs that are in my deck. I don't want to shrink or hurt my own deck. That's a strategy I personally use. Another I use, if I see someone draft a torch or an archangel, I start drafting to counter those specific characters. I stop going for my defensive mystic champs. I stop going for the champs that can just be bled and poisoned.
As far as luck goes, that's on hoping during the drafting phase I get the champ options to make my opponents fights very difficult or make my victories easier to come by. But again, this will also boil down to strategizing.
Thinking that just cause your opponent has those champs, they can cake walk and get easy victories against you, is poor logic. Don't make the fights so easy on them. Yes, some of this is going to revolve around roster strength too but it's a competitive game mode, the bigger accounts are obviously going to have an easier time collecting the wins. Anyone that wants to be competitive in this game mode is going to have to make some specific roster upgrades for it. I know I have.
If we're just going to constantly ban these champs everywhere in the game, what's the point in having them and ranking them up anymore?
This comment by Eugene just sounds like that kid in school who got really upset and start yelling at all the other kids, and throwing a tantrum, just cause his idea wasn't as popular as he had hoped.
Throw in that I’m now accused as being either a whale with a massive account, or a sandbagger with no idea what skill means in this game, and I’d say we’ve had a successful conversation.
“I think it would be a welcome addition to the mode, there's too many pita defenders and cheese options for attackers to pick just 3.”
Hell no. It’s a competition. If you can’t beat that champ, time to learn.
"I'm having a tough time fighting Thing and Korg in BGs but similarly I don't want them to use nuke options like Torch, AA, Sunspot. What can I do?"
Then yes you're comments/assumptions of my knowledge and skill would be warranted, but I didn't, did I?
It could add another element of thought and strategy into the mode.
Just want to add that I am not saying this should happen, it was 1 suggestion to try make it more challenging. I'd like the draft phase to not be as affected by rng like it is currently and think that could aid toward that. Having rng against you in there is actually make or break. Maybe it would make it worse maybe it wouldn't, I don't know. Hence the post