Calling on Kabam to issue rank down tickets for Dragon Man

Thorki · December 2022

For those who don’t know the situation, up until the most recent update, Dragon Man had a piece of utility that he no longer has: he could regenerate large amounts of health when unstoppable and dexing. This ability has been removed after the most recent patch, though there’s been no word on it from Kabam. I’d call this a nerf because it removed an existing piece of utility, others would call it a bug fix because that utility probably wasn't intentional (it was never in his description). Regardless of what you call it, this is the exact same situation as what happened with Mole Man- Kabam released character and eons later, without the character being slotted for a change (or even warranting one), they knocked them down a peg, leaving players stuck feeling duped over having invested resources in a character that no longer has what was once a nice piece of utility. In the case case of Mole Man, Kabam gave out rank down tickets. I’m calling on them to make this right, be consistent, and do the same in this situation.

Demonzfyre · December 2022

Bugs are not utility.

This isn't the same as Mole Man as it's not something many knew of.

Darkraw346 · December 2022

Lol

TheLightBringer · December 2022

Yes I want rtd because I actually never used my 5* Dragonman and I could use those resources on some other 6* I have

Thorki · December 2022

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.

Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m not here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.

Demonzfyre · December 2022

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.
Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.

Mole Man's bug was widely known and quite obvious. It was talked about for a year. Your post yesterday was the first I and most have ever heard of the bug. They are not the same by any stretch.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you know he was bugged and you expect compensation for abusing a bug this entire time instead of reporting it.

Thorki · December 2022

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.
Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.
Mole Man's bug was widely known and quite obvious. It was talked about for a year. Your post yesterday was the first I and most have ever heard of the bug. They are not the same by any stretch.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you know he was bugged and you expect compensation for abusing a bug this entire time instead of reporting it.

So you’re saying that it’s a difference of scale? More people abused the Mole Man bug so that made it valid? How does that make any sense?

The fact is Kabam allowed their characters to be published and played a certain way for YEARS and then left the subset of players holding the bag when they finally decided to get around to fixing.

Also, super presumptuous of you. I did report it, and you should kick rocks for assuming otherwise. But then over a year passed and Kabam had left it in. I waited over 1/6 the lifespan of the game at the time to rank him. The utility made Dragon Man a fun character to play, so I ranked him. Should I have waited another year to do that, biding my time in case Kabam finally got around to it? How about two years? When does it end?

Demonzfyre · December 2022

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.
Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.
Mole Man's bug was widely known and quite obvious. It was talked about for a year. Your post yesterday was the first I and most have ever heard of the bug. They are not the same by any stretch.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you know he was bugged and you expect compensation for abusing a bug this entire time instead of reporting it.
So you’re saying that it’s a difference of scale? More people abused the Mole Man bug so that made it valid? How does that make any sense?

The fact is Kabam allowed their characters to be published and played a certain way for YEARS and then left the subset of players holding the bag when they finally decided to get around to fixing.

Also, super presumptuous of you. I did report it, and you should kick rocks for assuming otherwise. But then over a year passed and Kabam had left it in. I waited over 1/6 the lifespan of the game at the time to rank him. The utility made Dragon Man a fun character to play, so I ranked him. Should I have waited another year to do that, biding my time in case Kabam finally got around to it? How about two years? When does it end?

Kabam acknowledged Mole Man's bug and had been working on a fix. They never had this Dragon Man bug on their radar.

You should always know that any bug can get fixed anytime but to expect comp for it is dumb. Dragon Man is still a very good champ. But this is nothing like Mole Man and She Hulk.

GinjabredMonsta · December 2022

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.
Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.
Mole Man's bug was widely known and quite obvious. It was talked about for a year. Your post yesterday was the first I and most have ever heard of the bug. They are not the same by any stretch.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you know he was bugged and you expect compensation for abusing a bug this entire time instead of reporting it.
So you’re saying that it’s a difference of scale? More people abused the Mole Man bug so that made it valid? How does that make any sense?

The because the bug was discussed publicly and ignored many times. People had publicly asked and made subsequent videos ok it and it was ignored. This bug here I and others hadn’t heard about till recently and it was something (for me at least) was never a reason someone suggested ranking him. As compared to mole man, his bug was a direct reason people would suggest and recommended ranking him for.

Mauled · December 2022

TBH I have Dragonman at R3 and I use him fairly regularly and never knew that this existed, I think I'm in the same boat as a lot of players here. I realise that it's annoying when something like this happens but the two obvious parallels that we could draw here are Moleman and She Hulk.

She Hulk's nerf was something that completely changed the way you played her, you could no longer MLLLH which had been a big component in maintaining her damage ramp up and slow cycle. Likewise with Moleman it was considered to be a substantial change because players were able to maintain the damage and his biggest piece of utility, which was why he was regarded to be a top 5 skill champion.

Dragonman with this utility is still outside the top 10, and without it his position in the game hasn't changed a dot. He's still a very good champion who can do all of the same things. It's also far less widely publicised than the Moleman issues which popped up on the forums pretty much on a weekly basis.

SpideyFunko · December 2022

No.

Thorki · December 2022

Man, you just aren’t admitting to the facts. Was Mole Man’s utility not an unintentional? So then it was a bug? And people got mad that Kabam changed the character so late in the game, right? So I’m mad about the exact same situation that I just rhetorically asked about, but this time it’s different?

Let’s flip this around, how is this situation any different from the Mole Man situation except for scale? Scale obviously being irrelevant because players myself are still a subset of the community who are effected, we’re people who were left hanging.

Also you never answered. How long should I have waited to act and rank up Dragon Man because I liked the way he played? Should I have waited 4 years? 5?

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.
Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.
Mole Man's bug was widely known and quite obvious. It was talked about for a year. Your post yesterday was the first I and most have ever heard of the bug. They are not the same by any stretch.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you know he was bugged and you expect compensation for abusing a bug this entire time instead of reporting it.
So you’re saying that it’s a difference of scale? More people abused the Mole Man bug so that made it valid? How does that make any sense?

The fact is Kabam allowed their characters to be published and played a certain way for YEARS and then left the subset of players holding the bag when they finally decided to get around to fixing.

Also, super presumptuous of you. I did report it, and you should kick rocks for assuming otherwise. But then over a year passed and Kabam had left it in. I waited over 1/6 the lifespan of the game at the time to rank him. The utility made Dragon Man a fun character to play, so I ranked him. Should I have waited another year to do that, biding my time in case Kabam finally got around to it? How about two years? When does it end?
Kabam acknowledged Mole Man's bug and had been working on a fix. They never had this Dragon Man bug on their radar.

You should always know that any bug can get fixed anytime but to expect comp for it is dumb. Dragon Man is still a very good champ. But this is nothing like Mole Man and She Hulk.

Mauled · December 2022

Thorki said:
Man, you just aren’t admitting to the facts. Was Mole Man’s utility not an unintentional? So then it was a bug? And people got mad that Kabam changed the character so late in the game, right? So I’m mad about the exact same situation that I just rhetorically asked about, but this time it’s different?

Let’s flip this around, how is this situation any different from the Mole Man situation except for scale? Scale obviously being irrelevant because players myself are still a subset of the community who are effected, we’re people who were left hanging.

Also you never answered. How long should I have waited to act and rank up Dragon Man because I liked the way he played? Should I have waited 4 years? 5?
Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.
Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.
Mole Man's bug was widely known and quite obvious. It was talked about for a year. Your post yesterday was the first I and most have ever heard of the bug. They are not the same by any stretch.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you know he was bugged and you expect compensation for abusing a bug this entire time instead of reporting it.
So you’re saying that it’s a difference of scale? More people abused the Mole Man bug so that made it valid? How does that make any sense?

The fact is Kabam allowed their characters to be published and played a certain way for YEARS and then left the subset of players holding the bag when they finally decided to get around to fixing.

Also, super presumptuous of you. I did report it, and you should kick rocks for assuming otherwise. But then over a year passed and Kabam had left it in. I waited over 1/6 the lifespan of the game at the time to rank him. The utility made Dragon Man a fun character to play, so I ranked him. Should I have waited another year to do that, biding my time in case Kabam finally got around to it? How about two years? When does it end?
Kabam acknowledged Mole Man's bug and had been working on a fix. They never had this Dragon Man bug on their radar.

You should always know that any bug can get fixed anytime but to expect comp for it is dumb. Dragon Man is still a very good champ. But this is nothing like Mole Man and She Hulk.

In these instances scale is very relevant because Moleman was ranked up precisely for his bugged utility combination, Dragonman is ranked up for being a 2x immune mystic robot. There were/are 100s of forum posts requesting clarification on Moleman's abilities over a 14 month period, all of which went ignored up until the bug fix. I understand that for you that feels the same, but this is the first time I've heard of this bug and I'm a fairly regular user on these forums. Players haven't been asking for Kabam's blessing to rank up Dragonman for this piece of utility in the way they were for Moleman or She Hulk.

I obviously wouldn't say no to a rank down ticket, though I would keep mine at R3 probably as Dragonman is a real sleeper in BG.

Buttehrs · December 2022

Outside of your posts about this bug, show me where it's ever been discussed openly and by multiple players. I'm on these forums everyday and I have literally never seen a topic or discussion about this so called bug/utility.

Thorki · December 2022

Buttehrs said:
Outside of your posts about this bug, show me where it's ever been discussed openly and by multiple players. I'm on these forums everyday and I have literally never seen a topic or discussion about this so called bug/utility.

Check my last post, I linked a few public discussions from days past. That was just from a 10 second google search, there’s gotta be dozens across this forum, reddit, and youtube.

InfamousMike · December 2022

Thorki said:
For those who don’t know the situation, up until the most recent update, Dragon Man had a piece of utility that he no longer has: he could regenerate large amounts of health when unstoppable and dexing. This ability has been removed after the most recent patch, though there’s been no word on it from Kabam. I’d call this a nerf because it removed an existing piece of utility, others would call it a bug fix because that utility probably wasn't intentional (it was never in his description). Regardless of what you call it, this is the exact same situation as what happened with Mole Man- Kabam released character and eons later, without the character being slotted for a change (or even warranting one), they knocked them down a peg, leaving players stuck feeling duped over having invested resources in a character that no longer has what was once a nice piece of utility. In the case case of Mole Man, Kabam gave out rank down tickets. I’m calling on them to make this right, be consistent, and do the same in this situation.

I Agree 100%...
Kabam should add that ability to Dragon Man instead remove it. So, if they remove it then allow the player rank down the champion bcoz was a Kabam fault, not the player. The same situation of Mole Man.

Thorki · December 2022

Mauled said:

Thorki said:
Man, you just aren’t admitting to the facts. Was Mole Man’s utility not an unintentional? So then it was a bug? And people got mad that Kabam changed the character so late in the game, right? So I’m mad about the exact same situation that I just rhetorically asked about, but this time it’s different?

Let’s flip this around, how is this situation any different from the Mole Man situation except for scale? Scale obviously being irrelevant because players myself are still a subset of the community who are effected, we’re people who were left hanging.

Also you never answered. How long should I have waited to act and rank up Dragon Man because I liked the way he played? Should I have waited 4 years? 5?
Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.
Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.
Mole Man's bug was widely known and quite obvious. It was talked about for a year. Your post yesterday was the first I and most have ever heard of the bug. They are not the same by any stretch.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you know he was bugged and you expect compensation for abusing a bug this entire time instead of reporting it.
So you’re saying that it’s a difference of scale? More people abused the Mole Man bug so that made it valid? How does that make any sense?

The fact is Kabam allowed their characters to be published and played a certain way for YEARS and then left the subset of players holding the bag when they finally decided to get around to fixing.

Also, super presumptuous of you. I did report it, and you should kick rocks for assuming otherwise. But then over a year passed and Kabam had left it in. I waited over 1/6 the lifespan of the game at the time to rank him. The utility made Dragon Man a fun character to play, so I ranked him. Should I have waited another year to do that, biding my time in case Kabam finally got around to it? How about two years? When does it end?
Kabam acknowledged Mole Man's bug and had been working on a fix. They never had this Dragon Man bug on their radar.

You should always know that any bug can get fixed anytime but to expect comp for it is dumb. Dragon Man is still a very good champ. But this is nothing like Mole Man and She Hulk.

In these instances scale is very relevant because Moleman was ranked up precisely for his bugged utility combination, Dragonman is ranked up for being a 2x immune mystic robot. There were/are 100s of forum posts requesting clarification on Moleman's abilities over a 14 month period, all of which went ignored up until the bug fix. I understand that for you that feels the same, but this is the first time I've heard of this bug and I'm a fairly regular user on these forums. Players haven't been asking for Kabam's blessing to rank up Dragonman for this piece of utility in the way they were for Moleman or She Hulk.

I obviously wouldn't say no to a rank down ticket, though I would keep mine at R3 probably as Dragonman is a real sleeper in BG.

Mauled you’re being super reasonable here. Thanks for seeing it through my POV and having a bit of empathy. I get that dragon man still has his uses, he could still be a worthy R3 in your opinion. But I have a different situation, Dragon Man is one of my most used champs and now he’s just not the same. It sucks, I had a good year playing with him but I don’t like his flow anymore without the regen.

Thorki · December 2022

GinjabredMonsta said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.
Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.
Mole Man's bug was widely known and quite obvious. It was talked about for a year. Your post yesterday was the first I and most have ever heard of the bug. They are not the same by any stretch.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you know he was bugged and you expect compensation for abusing a bug this entire time instead of reporting it.
So you’re saying that it’s a difference of scale? More people abused the Mole Man bug so that made it valid? How does that make any sense?
The because the bug was discussed publicly and ignored many times. People had publicly asked and made subsequent videos ok it and it was ignored. This bug here I and others hadn’t heard about till recently and it was something (for me at least) was never a reason someone suggested ranking him. As compared to mole man, his bug was a direct reason people would suggest and recommended ranking him for.

You should look at my discussion from yesterday. I linked a couple posts where it was publicly discussed on this forum, and a youtube video too. There are probably another dozen discussions mentioning it here and another dozen on Reddit. People recommending him for rank up and specifically mentioning this piece of utility. The fact is, it WAS discussed publicly, here and across the internet. You might have missed it, it seems many did, but that doesn’t mean the situation is substantially different from that with Mole Man. Only difference is scale, and I’d like to see consistent treatment regardless of scale.

SirGamesBond · December 2022

I won't mind.
Could use iso from ranking down r5.
Got a r3 who performs amazing.

Plase add rdts for doom aegon black widow hit monkey professor x she Hulk stealthy cgr aa g99 etc etc etc
Can rankdown all and use iso......
Thanks milady kabam.

Mr_Platypus · December 2022

Honestly I’d never heard of this “ability” of dragon man until this update. Did people really rank him up because of this? Like why did you think dodging an attack should let you regen the hp? Even if it should, you dodged it so 85% of 0 is 0

Demonzfyre · December 2022

Thorki said:

GinjabredMonsta said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.
Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.
Mole Man's bug was widely known and quite obvious. It was talked about for a year. Your post yesterday was the first I and most have ever heard of the bug. They are not the same by any stretch.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you know he was bugged and you expect compensation for abusing a bug this entire time instead of reporting it.
So you’re saying that it’s a difference of scale? More people abused the Mole Man bug so that made it valid? How does that make any sense?
The because the bug was discussed publicly and ignored many times. People had publicly asked and made subsequent videos ok it and it was ignored. This bug here I and others hadn’t heard about till recently and it was something (for me at least) was never a reason someone suggested ranking him. As compared to mole man, his bug was a direct reason people would suggest and recommended ranking him for.
You should look at my discussion from yesterday. I linked a couple posts where it was publicly discussed on this forum, and a youtube video too. There are probably another dozen discussions mentioning it here and another dozen on Reddit. People recommending him for rank up and specifically mentioning this piece of utility. The fact is, it WAS discussed publicly, here and across the internet. You might have missed it, it seems many did, but that doesn’t mean the situation is substantially different from that with Mole Man. Only difference is scale, and I’d like to see consistent treatment regardless of scale.

You posted 2 links and the only other one that shows up is a reddit post from one of the same people who made a forums post. So 2 people and one of those made 2 posts. Also in all 3 of those, people said it was a bug.

You claim you reported it as a bug but your post history suggests otherwise-

ItsDamien · December 2022

Nah, you’re making a mountain out of a Moleman hill.

Demonzfyre · December 2022

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

GinjabredMonsta said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.
Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.
Mole Man's bug was widely known and quite obvious. It was talked about for a year. Your post yesterday was the first I and most have ever heard of the bug. They are not the same by any stretch.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you know he was bugged and you expect compensation for abusing a bug this entire time instead of reporting it.
So you’re saying that it’s a difference of scale? More people abused the Mole Man bug so that made it valid? How does that make any sense?
The because the bug was discussed publicly and ignored many times. People had publicly asked and made subsequent videos ok it and it was ignored. This bug here I and others hadn’t heard about till recently and it was something (for me at least) was never a reason someone suggested ranking him. As compared to mole man, his bug was a direct reason people would suggest and recommended ranking him for.
You should look at my discussion from yesterday. I linked a couple posts where it was publicly discussed on this forum, and a youtube video too. There are probably another dozen discussions mentioning it here and another dozen on Reddit. People recommending him for rank up and specifically mentioning this piece of utility. The fact is, it WAS discussed publicly, here and across the internet. You might have missed it, it seems many did, but that doesn’t mean the situation is substantially different from that with Mole Man. Only difference is scale, and I’d like to see consistent treatment regardless of scale.
You posted 2 links and the only other one that shows up is a reddit post from one of the same people who made a forums post. So 2 people and one of those made 2 posts. Also in all 3 of those, people said it was a bug.

You claim you reported it as a bug but your post history suggests otherwise-
You really try to see the worst in people, don’t you Demonzfyre? That’s great, I’m happy for you.

I never linked a reddit post, I linked two forum posts and a youtube video. If you found a repeat Reddit post, congrats, I don’t care. All I’m saying is that it was publicly discussed, and there’s no denying that.

Yep, they said it was a bug. The Mole Man thing was a bug too, so wouldn’t you agree that we deserve treatment consistent with situations in which they fix bugs years later. Thanks for clearing that up.

Anyways, where in my post do I indicate that I didn’t report the bug? I reported it directly to Kabam using the “report bug” feature. Sorry if I didn’t make 50 posts here yelling about it, as you can see I’m not too active in these forums and have only posted a few times in many years. I’m more of a lurker, but some things cause me to post. Like this.

I'm not "finding the worst" in you. You claimed that there are "probably dozens" of forum posts and reddit threads etc.. right here in this thread after you performed a google search. There isn't which again, means this is not a widely known bug as you claim it is.

Again, the difference between Mole Man and this is that Kabam acknowledged MM's bug early on but wasn't ever able to fix it until a year'ish later. Are they both bugs? Yes. Are they the same in terms of effects on the community.

Thorki · December 2022

Yep, I stand by “probably dozens” and I I’m not misleading people by saying that, like you’re implying I am. Here’s 3 more links that I found in 5 seconds of google, if there’s 6 total links that I found and supplied from 15 total seconds of googling, do you think dozens is incorrect?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ContestOfChampions/comments/stkq3w/free_healing_with_dragonman/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ContestOfChampions/comments/pixqi8/is_dragon_man_supposed_to_heal_even_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/257152/dragon-man

Also, concerning the difference being Kabam knowing about Mole Man’s situation but not fixing it for over a year, check that most recent link. Posted in March of 2021, central point about his “Regen through dex” AND edited by Kabam Porthos. There you have it, definitive proof that Kabam knew about this bug over a year ago. So now what’s the difference, huh Demonzfyre? It’s the same situation as Mole Man and we deserve the same treatment.

AverageDesi · December 2022

Absolutely not. Not even remotely. At least the mole man argument had some sort of merit. This was outright explicitly a bug. While yes kabam is responsible for not acknowledging this bug (along with a thousand others) despite all the threads here, It does not warrant a RDT

Shiroihara · December 2022

Mauled said:

Thorki said:
Man, you just aren’t admitting to the facts. Was Mole Man’s utility not an unintentional? So then it was a bug? And people got mad that Kabam changed the character so late in the game, right? So I’m mad about the exact same situation that I just rhetorically asked about, but this time it’s different?

Let’s flip this around, how is this situation any different from the Mole Man situation except for scale? Scale obviously being irrelevant because players myself are still a subset of the community who are effected, we’re people who were left hanging.

Also you never answered. How long should I have waited to act and rank up Dragon Man because I liked the way he played? Should I have waited 4 years? 5?
Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:

Thorki said:

Demonzfyre said:
Bugs are not utility.
Again, regardless of what you call it, I’m only drawing a parallel between the current situation and the Mole Man situation, a comparison that is obvious and accurate. I’m here to argue semantics, call it whatever you want. I’m just saying they should do what they did the last time this happened.
Mole Man's bug was widely known and quite obvious. It was talked about for a year. Your post yesterday was the first I and most have ever heard of the bug. They are not the same by any stretch.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that you know he was bugged and you expect compensation for abusing a bug this entire time instead of reporting it.
So you’re saying that it’s a difference of scale? More people abused the Mole Man bug so that made it valid? How does that make any sense?

The fact is Kabam allowed their characters to be published and played a certain way for YEARS and then left the subset of players holding the bag when they finally decided to get around to fixing.

Also, super presumptuous of you. I did report it, and you should kick rocks for assuming otherwise. But then over a year passed and Kabam had left it in. I waited over 1/6 the lifespan of the game at the time to rank him. The utility made Dragon Man a fun character to play, so I ranked him. Should I have waited another year to do that, biding my time in case Kabam finally got around to it? How about two years? When does it end?
Kabam acknowledged Mole Man's bug and had been working on a fix. They never had this Dragon Man bug on their radar.

You should always know that any bug can get fixed anytime but to expect comp for it is dumb. Dragon Man is still a very good champ. But this is nothing like Mole Man and She Hulk.

In these instances scale is very relevant because Moleman was ranked up precisely for his bugged utility combination, Dragonman is ranked up for being a 2x immune mystic robot. There were/are 100s of forum posts requesting clarification on Moleman's abilities over a 14 month period, all of which went ignored up until the bug fix. I understand that for you that feels the same, but this is the first time I've heard of this bug and I'm a fairly regular user on these forums. Players haven't been asking for Kabam's blessing to rank up Dragonman for this piece of utility in the way they were for Moleman or She Hulk.

I obviously wouldn't say no to a rank down ticket, though I would keep mine at R3 probably as Dragonman is a real sleeper in BG.

A comment expressing a contrary opinion in a reasoned and respectful way. How refreshing. Well done sir.

ReignkingTW · December 2022

AverageDesi said:
Absolutely not. Not even remotely. At least the mole man argument had some sort of merit. This was outright explicitly a bug. While yes kabam is responsible for not acknowledging this bug (along with a thousand others) despite all the threads here, It does not warrant a RDT

100%. Moleman was not working as intended, and got the RDT because Kabam ignored it for so long.

Dragon man was never intended to have this feature. Carpe diem.

Thorki · December 2022

ReignkingTW said:

AverageDesi said:
Absolutely not. Not even remotely. At least the mole man argument had some sort of merit. This was outright explicitly a bug. While yes kabam is responsible for not acknowledging this bug (along with a thousand others) despite all the threads here, It does not warrant a RDT
100%. Moleman was not working as intended, and got the RDT because Kabam ignored it for so long.

Dragon man was never intended to have this feature. Carpe diem.

“Moleman was not working as intended and got the RDT because Kabam ignored it for so long”

“Dragon man was [working in a way that was] never intended” That’s the exact same thing? Even down to Kabam ignoring it for so long, there have been posts and reports about Dragon Man having this part of his kit for two years now. So what’s the difference?

Demonzfyre · December 2022

Thorki said:
Yep, I stand by “probably dozens” and I I’m not misleading people by saying that, like you’re implying I am. Here’s 3 more links that I found in 5 seconds of google, if there’s 6 total links that I found and supplied from 15 total seconds of googling, do you think dozens is incorrect?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ContestOfChampions/comments/stkq3w/free_healing_with_dragonman/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ContestOfChampions/comments/pixqi8/is_dragon_man_supposed_to_heal_even_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/257152/dragon-man

Also, concerning the difference being Kabam knowing about Mole Man’s situation but not fixing it for over a year, check that most recent link. Posted in March of 2021, central point about his “Regen through dex” AND edited by Kabam Porthos. There you have it, definitive proof that Kabam knew about this bug over a year ago. So now what’s the difference, huh Demonzfyre? It’s the same situation as Mole Man and we deserve the same treatment.

6 is not dozens. 6 is half a dozen. Also, reddit threads don't count as kabam is not patrolling those forums either. Edited by a mod does not acknowledge anything other than they moved it to the bugs section. These situations are still not the same and DM does not need RDT's.

CyborgNinja135 · December 2022

Once again, this is a bug. His abilities clearly state that you regen from hit damage. When you dex you don't take hit damage. Even if Kabam didn't acknowledge the bug, those are bound to get fixed at any point. Maybe it was low priority because Dragon Man is not used as much as other champions. You knowingly ranked up a champion for something that is not intended, and now when the bug is fixed you cry. Rank down tickets are not needed. My Dragon Man is also at R3 and my opinion of him hasn't changed. He's still a very solid champion

altavista · December 2022

Nope, not even the same as the Moleman situation. This is more similar to any other bug fix.

Let us look at last month's changes (https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/v37-0-release-notes/):

Peni Parker: Fixed an issue where Peni Parker’s Shield will reduced Damage from Special 3 Attacks if the Special 3 Attack is launched at the same time a Hit is Blocked

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Clearly this is a bug, as SP3 is unblockable, and thus the block-damage reduction of the shield shouldn't occur.

Did players know about this bug? Some yes, as they may have reported it to Kabam to fix (or Kabam learned about it themselves). But not a ton of people knew about it. Who can honestly argue that knew about this, and that they ranked up Peni after learning about this bug?

Your argument would be the same: Give RDT because Peni/Dragon Man can no longer do something that was not in their kit, this Peni/Dragon Man bug has been around for over 1-2 years, AND well known enough that people would rank up the champion because of the bug.

Calling on Kabam to issue rank down tickets for Dragon Man

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