Battlegrounds Season 4 Meta [MERGED THREADS]

Jefechuta · January 2023

Darth_Stewie said:
Why am I being power burned and losing health even though the defender has multiple armor breaks on them?

He can have both armor and armor break

Headpool12 · January 2023

Really disappointing. Victory Track shouldn’t be this restrictive. It’s a mess. These nodes should be reserved for Gladiator Circuit and more competitive players with more extensive rosters.

I’ve used the same roster (outside of a few newer pulls/rank ups) for BGs since the beta and now half of it is unusable.

Darth_Stewie · January 2023

I thought I was going to like this node but it doesn't make sense that we lose health when being power burned...and even though the defender has multiple armor breaks I am still getting power burned.

TheBair123 · January 2023

Darth_Stewie said:
I thought I was going to like this node but it doesn't make sense that we lose health when being power burned...and even though the defender has multiple armor breaks I am still getting power burned.

The removal of health is to create a difference between power drain and power burn. draining power has no health penalty, while burning does. also, it doesn't matter how many armor breaks the opponent has. if they have an armor up and you hit them, you take the damage

Wozzle007 · January 2023

Personally, I don’t currently like the nodes. I’m getting mullered every fight. Having said that I have a month to work out what champs to best use on defence and attack. I have a fairly solid paragon roster but I generally only use the same champs. This will help push me out of comfort zone to use newer champs that I have ranked up but don’t really use.

Feedback on the 1st day will likely be different to feedback on the last day. When it comes to BG the cream of the crop rises first. Let the better players get promoted and it’ll be easier in a week or 2.

Kabam Miike · January 2023

I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.

Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.

There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.

PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.

kus234 · January 2023

Honestly your reply proves how bad this Meta is. I agree we need to optimize our decks but not everyone have that diverse roster so Kabam wants only top whale to be playing the BG now? Or Kabam is offering chances to get those uique counters?
Whats the plan to make BGs more accessible to larger communities? Should we have level based Meta where lower tier player gets a little easier Meta or is Kabam thinking one size fits all?

I have a pretty decent roster but still feel this Meta is very restrictive and will only be doable by handfull of players..

Kabam Miike said:
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.

Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.

There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.

PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.

Giantwalrus56 · January 2023

Wozzle007 said:
Personally, I don’t currently like the nodes. I’m getting mullered every fight. Having said that I have a month to work out what champs to best use on defence and attack. I have a fairly solid paragon roster but I generally only use the same champs. This will help push me out of comfort zone to use newer champs that I have ranked up but don’t really use.

Feedback on the 1st day will likely be different to feedback on the last day. When it comes to BG the cream of the crop rises first. Let the better players get promoted and it’ll be easier in a week or 2.

This!!! I too have a pretty decent roster & while I'm annoyed & frustrated ATM, I'm looking forward to stepping out of my champion "comfort zone" & ranking up & learning some champions that are just gathering dust in the roster closet. I usually wait a few days, just get 2 days rewards, & start my grind round week 2 & 1/2. This time I went right in & got cooked. Came here to rant then found this, so thank you

Colinwhitworth69 · January 2023

People who pause are cowards.

ccrider474 · January 2023

Meh I have a diverse roster that can handle it but you still get trapped pending the draft. To many armour up and not enough neutralise and you'll still lose or vice versa. Guess those shuffle tokens got more valuable.

What I did is the simplest solution. This bg meta imo is 0 fun. 0 fun = 0 participation by me.

If you truly don't like it and enough people stop playing it will change.

To each their own though. People that love it have fun.

NikoBravo · January 2023

Guess you need Galan

Klipp · January 2023

NikoBravo said:
Guess you need Galan

My first block

G-Hun-Gear · January 2023

Kabam Miike said:
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.

If I remember correctly, the Bulwark meta had an armor break immunity node… So it was not about the champs that the players had (armor break champs) but about the skilled playstyle (win without hitting opponent’s block)…

This time it’s different… It’s less about skill, but rather the roster… I personally don’t like this approach.

G-Hun-Gear · January 2023

The thing is, with previous metas, a certain playstyle was required and if you could adopt to that certain playstyle, you could do well… Like, don’t hit block… etc.

Now, this new meta renders 2/3 of the champions useless in battlegrounds, at least on attack… That’s a new level…

I guess any moaning on the forum will have no effect. Maybe, when Kabam analyse the match results and see that sooo many fights are lost, and players lose the fund an interest, maybe they change something…

KillSwitch · January 2023

This season is already off to a horrible start. Man, I missed not having Battlegrounds….until today 🤣

Kabam Miike · January 2023

G-Hun-Gear said:

Kabam Miike said:
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
If I remember correctly, the Bulwark meta had an armor break immunity node… So it was not about the champs that the players had (armor break champs) but about the skilled playstyle (win without hitting opponent’s block)…

This time it’s different… It’s less about skill, but rather the roster… I personally don’t like this approach.

Yes and no. Champs that gained Armor Ups on their Own (being struck or otherwise) were the top Defenders for that Season, so you still had to play around it.

Noob_Master69 · January 2023

GroundedWisdom said:
For the record, I have counters and I'm still feeling like this Node is a bit restrictive. I'll play it, but this one is a bit damning.

You know stuff's bad when even GroundedWisdom isn't a fan
(All jokes love you GW)

AustinU823 · January 2023

This meta is really hard to deal with but if you pause your matches you’re no better than modders and sandbaggers. Pausing needs to be removed from BG fights, I hope Kabam is listening

G-Hun-Gear · January 2023

Kabam Miike said:

G-Hun-Gear said:

Kabam Miike said:
PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
If I remember correctly, the Bulwark meta had an armor break immunity node… So it was not about the champs that the players had (armor break champs) but about the skilled playstyle (win without hitting opponent’s block)…

This time it’s different… It’s less about skill, but rather the roster… I personally don’t like this approach.
Yes and no. Champs that gained Armor Ups on their Own (being struck or otherwise) were the top Defenders for that Season, so you still had to play around it.

Yes and no… You had to play around it… This time you can’t, if you don’t have the right champs…

Dukenpuke · January 2023

I don't especially enjoy BGs anyway and only played enough to get the 48-hour milestone awards. I'll probably just skip this season entirely.

PapaMidnite007 · January 2023

Electric defense alone was there it would be tolerable but adding it to hit me I dare you it makes the mode almost unplayable apart from specific counters. If hit me I dare you is changed the mode would be a lot better.

Noob_Master69 · January 2023

PapaMidnite007 said:
Electric defense alone was there it would be tolerable but adding it to hit me I dare you it makes the mode almost unplayable apart from specific counters. If hit me I dare you is changed the mode would be a lot better.

Exactly! Either remove hit me I dare you or atleast make the armor up last not as long

Kabam Miike · January 2023

o4tg said:

Kabam Miike said:
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.

Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.

There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.

PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.
You’ve had enough trouble getting people to play it per your own words in the past, why make it less appealing?

That's not true in the slightest. The issue we had today was caused by the fact that we had more people play it than ever before, and we've never had trouble getting people to play it. Where did that information come from?

GoingBack · January 2023

Yes, the new nodes are horrible and limit the champ selection a bit too much. I have most of the needed champs, but it still is a bit more up to RNG than normal to get the right champs.

Part of the issue is also matchmaking. My baby account is 3 tiers ahead of my main which is ridiculous as the account sucks. In a mode that has tiered based rewards, you need to be able to match with anyone within that tier. Either that or you need to not lose your progress with each loss.

I have had friendly matches with people in my alliance that are in Plat already while I just got to silver. The matches haven’t even been close, I think this is something to think about as they continue to make adjustments.

ThePharcide · January 2023

I've been having a blast with thus Meta. Made a few changes.

I am laughing watching people chose blatantly wrong champs for defense and and attack and trying to waste my time with the "pause method".

I am enjoying this season more than the previous 3 put together.

MarvelSPMAN14 · January 2023

Kabam Miike said:
I don't think you suck, but I also don't think this Meta sucks. It's pretty simple, but you'll have to change your decks to deal with it. You can't just brute force it and expect to win. This Meta is not just affecting you but also your opponent. It's also not just there to negatively impact you; you need to lean into it with defenders that benefit from the node to trip up your opponents too.

Battlegrounds will have Metas that change every season, and they will require you to change your Decks up and invest in a more diverse roster. People with larger and more diverse rosters will have an easier time, as they should in a 1v1 PVP mode.

There are lots of people sharing counters and ideas around the forums. Take a look at some of those for ideas if you need them.

PS. The ones I see as most successful right now are the exact same Champions used in the 1st Meta of Battlegrounds ever with Bulwark and Explosive Personality. Lots of Armor Up champs on defence and lots of Nullifiers and Armor Breakers as attackers. Plus, this time, you can toss in Power Burn immune Champs too.

Not everyone has stacked decks most of the fresh Uncollected/Cav Players are getting destroyed by Vets because their rosters are not nearly as developed to counter such specific nodes that is pretty much a guarantee loss if you don’t have a counter.

Battlegrounds Season 4 Meta [MERGED THREADS]

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