Let us discuss... the Iso crisis... again

AllnamesbetakenAllnamesbetaken Member Posts: 118 ★
in General Discussion
Lets give this another shot. Especially with the new battlegrounds meta being what it is, the iso problem has escalated. I recently recieved some very helpful advice from players and kabam themselves! If you don't have champs ranked up to deal with the nodes in BG's , RANK UP CHAMPS. WOOHOO Problem solved. See I cant rank up champs with no ISO to rank up champs. Most of us face this problem. Now before da big blubberiest of whales come sliding in with sum bout "ya bro, i dont have that problem, having a bank account solves that". I have 4 dollars and 37 cents take it or leave it. For a small price of 850 glory or sum a week, you can add 4 levels to your 6* r3. Dupe 6*, you can now add a whole 3 more levels! 🤯 So i came up with some solutions.

- ISO CRYSTALS, just like your favorite uncollected gold crystals lets add an equivalent for iso. Something a bit more substantial than questing crystals
- ISO ARENA, we all hate the grind, lets get it over with, for a r3 worth of iso every week or 2, id do this arena just like that, school is not that important kids! (That is a joke, please learn stuff, earn money, spend on this game wink wink, see what i did there kabam?)
- Update solo objective crystals. I love the 3 bricks of basic tier 5 iso, i really do, but its time for an upgrade
- update solo crystals, to include iso
- More ISO from 6* shard dupe. Logic, if 5 * dupe good for level up 5* why no 6* dupe level 6* HUH?
- Battlegrounds store. THE AMOUNT I SUFFER, I AM SALTY FROM GETTING BURNED. Catalysts, shards, relics woohoo, battlegrounds store has it all, except, well iso. Add selectors, add 4* shards. Battlegrounds gives the catalysts for more than 2 new r3's worth a month, so please also give enough to level those r3's.
- ADD MORE SUGGESTIONS IN COMMENTS

Now a few quick notes, before those who play 8 hours a day run with the whales saying they have no problems, i bow to you, you are cool. However, this post is for the majority of players, please respect. Also, pls do not harass kabam, use this as a way to get their attention and communicate, not argue. Any rudish jokes on this post are meant for entertainment, they only verge on satire, this is because they are not funny. If you wish to start a petition on change.org be my guest.

For kabam, you guys have been doing an amazing job with fast responses and good communication recently, please let us have a civil discussion that leads to change. I understand money is a big aspect behind the iso shortage, but pls continue to make this game accommodating for the majority of non or light spenders. Many things can be done here and i hope this wont go unaddressed.

PLEASE STAND WITH ME SUMMONERS, IF YOU WANT CHANGE, COMMENT, share your thoughts, positive or negative, with respect however.
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  • CoppinCoppin Member Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★
    Pikolu said:

    At this point in the game, I just want kabam to buff the amount of iso we get from 5*+ dupes or 6* dupes, especially with 7*s coming soon, and we all know they'll take like 60-70k iso per level up 🤣

    It would be nice but wouldnt be fair...
    Unless people get compensated for past dups
  • AllnamesbetakenAllnamesbetaken Member Posts: 118 ★
    NearJr said:

    Allnamesbetaken said:

    That not how shortages work though man. No game should require 4+ hours of grinding a day to ensure regular advancement. There has not been an increase in iso for years while the amount needed has tripled if not more. Acquisition of gold has increased by quite a bit, Acquisition of catalysts has increased. Everything but iso. Im not asking to take a champ from r1 to r3 every day, but 2 or 3 times a month would be nice, not to mention r4's.

    Actually, there has been a huge increase in ISO acquisition as well, its just the same case of playing the game to get them. Its ridicuoulsly easy to get 4 stars and 5 stars now. Even 6 stars at higher levels. The fact remains that people want to get enough ISO and gold for R3 6* by playing 15 minutes a day. That's not how economy works.

    Again, if you work a minimum wage job, dont expect to buy a Tesla anytime soon.
    Except for the fact that they dont make sense your analogies are perfect. They underline my stupidity on posting on a forum where people who compare non purchasable items like iso to teslas and steaks. The very problem is that iso is not purchasable except with glory. But lets stick to your analogy so that u can understand. One working minimum wage for the same amount of time as someone who is a ceo of a datamining industry will, of course not live lavishly. This is called environment, not time. See a game provides a certain environment, in this case, less than optimal for those who wish to play less than 3 or 4 hours a day. If a meta or variable such as this new bg that requires many rank ups forces a higher demand of material, which if not met, results in a deficit. Keeping iso acquisition static across dupes from 4 to 6* while greatly increasing demand does not make sense.
  • AllnamesbetakenAllnamesbetaken Member Posts: 118 ★
    Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

    There is no iso problem. If you have it then you're probably trying to level up any champion you own immediately instead of waiting for the right moment

    Did one rank up in the past half month, on a level up event, nick fury to r3. Im not pointing out a problem based off just its lone standing, im pointing out discrepancies. This bg meta pushes for immediate change without allowing for that. Its great that all the forum warriors play 5 hours a day, but do some math, for how much you get from a 6* dupe, how much from a 4* how much is needed to rank either one up. Four stars are easy to get, but dont appear in greater number as players progress, none in BG store, none in side event. Same goes for iso
  • Toj37Toj37 Member Posts: 68 ★
    edited January 2023
    There already is an iso arena. If you grind a decent amount of arena you won’t be short on iso just from racking up GM crystals.

    I do think it makes a lot of sense to increase the amount of iso from duping 5* and 6* champs though
  • AllnamesbetakenAllnamesbetaken Member Posts: 118 ★
    NearJr said:

    Allnamesbetaken said:

    NearJr said:

    Allnamesbetaken said:

    That not how shortages work though man. No game should require 4+ hours of grinding a day to ensure regular advancement. There has not been an increase in iso for years while the amount needed has tripled if not more. Acquisition of gold has increased by quite a bit, Acquisition of catalysts has increased. Everything but iso. Im not asking to take a champ from r1 to r3 every day, but 2 or 3 times a month would be nice, not to mention r4's.

    Actually, there has been a huge increase in ISO acquisition as well, its just the same case of playing the game to get them. Its ridicuoulsly easy to get 4 stars and 5 stars now. Even 6 stars at higher levels. The fact remains that people want to get enough ISO and gold for R3 6* by playing 15 minutes a day. That's not how economy works.

    Again, if you work a minimum wage job, dont expect to buy a Tesla anytime soon.
    Except for the fact that they dont make sense your analogies are perfect. They underline my stupidity on posting on a forum where people who compare non purchasable items like iso to teslas and steaks. The very problem is that iso is not purchasable except with glory. But lets stick to your analogy so that u can understand. One working minimum wage for the same amount of time as someone who is a ceo of a datamining industry will, of course not live lavishly. This is called environment, not time. See a game provides a certain environment, in this case, less than optimal for those who wish to play less than 3 or 4 hours a day. If a meta or variable such as this new bg that requires many rank ups forces a higher demand of material, which if not met, results in a deficit. Keeping iso acquisition static across dupes from 4 to 6* while greatly increasing demand does not make sense.
    You are completely missing the point of the analogy. This game revolves around economy, resource management.
    If you dont have enough ISO, it just means you dont earn enough rewards, if you dont earn enough rewards, it means you dont play a lot. I understand you dont want to play 4+ hours, that in itself means you wont get the rewards that playing those 4 hours give you.

    If you play 15 minutes only, its fine and its your choice. But be aware that you will receive the rewards that those 15 minutes entail.

    Big rosters require big dedication. Small dedication results in small rosters. I really cant understand how this is hard to process.
    I play 2 to 3 hours a day, and still have problems, yes you are correct, rewards are proportionate to time played, but 3 hours a day is no small amount. Should it warrant a huge roster, absolutely not. Should it warrant more than taking one champ from r1 to r3 a month? For 90 hours of gametime? Yes. Im not saying decrease the time needed, im saying increase the possible ways of acquisition. Literally mentioned arena, arena grindy af, still would be a valid way to increase acquisition with decreasing time.
  • AllnamesbetakenAllnamesbetaken Member Posts: 118 ★
    Toj37 said:

    There already is an iso arena. If you grind a decent amount of arena you won’t be short on iso just from racking up GM crystals.

    I do think it makes a lot of sense to increase the amount of iso from duping 5* and 6* champs though

    Grandmaster crystals give mostly 3 stars, out of 10 crystals, 20000 shards, more than arena gives i bet at least 8 gonna be 3 stars, maybe all 10 thats 20 brick, about 5 levels
  • AllnamesbetakenAllnamesbetaken Member Posts: 118 ★
    Dave7099 said:

    If you didn't have an iso shortage you would have a gold shortage.

    If you didn't have a gold shortage you would have a champion shortage or rank material shortage

    There will always be a bottleneck somewhere. That's how these games operate

    I somewhat agree. But the bottleneck should be placed on more valuable materials, awakening gems. Sig stones etc, not the basic upgrade material lol.
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  • NearJrNearJr Member Posts: 158 ★★
    Allnamesbetaken said:

    NearJr said:

    Allnamesbetaken said:

    NearJr said:

    Allnamesbetaken said:

    That not how shortages work though man. No game should require 4+ hours of grinding a day to ensure regular advancement. There has not been an increase in iso for years while the amount needed has tripled if not more. Acquisition of gold has increased by quite a bit, Acquisition of catalysts has increased. Everything but iso. Im not asking to take a champ from r1 to r3 every day, but 2 or 3 times a month would be nice, not to mention r4's.

    Actually, there has been a huge increase in ISO acquisition as well, its just the same case of playing the game to get them. Its ridicuoulsly easy to get 4 stars and 5 stars now. Even 6 stars at higher levels. The fact remains that people want to get enough ISO and gold for R3 6* by playing 15 minutes a day. That's not how economy works.

    Again, if you work a minimum wage job, dont expect to buy a Tesla anytime soon.
    Except for the fact that they dont make sense your analogies are perfect. They underline my stupidity on posting on a forum where people who compare non purchasable items like iso to teslas and steaks. The very problem is that iso is not purchasable except with glory. But lets stick to your analogy so that u can understand. One working minimum wage for the same amount of time as someone who is a ceo of a datamining industry will, of course not live lavishly. This is called environment, not time. See a game provides a certain environment, in this case, less than optimal for those who wish to play less than 3 or 4 hours a day. If a meta or variable such as this new bg that requires many rank ups forces a higher demand of material, which if not met, results in a deficit. Keeping iso acquisition static across dupes from 4 to 6* while greatly increasing demand does not make sense.
    You are completely missing the point of the analogy. This game revolves around economy, resource management.
    If you dont have enough ISO, it just means you dont earn enough rewards, if you dont earn enough rewards, it means you dont play a lot. I understand you dont want to play 4+ hours, that in itself means you wont get the rewards that playing those 4 hours give you.

    If you play 15 minutes only, its fine and its your choice. But be aware that you will receive the rewards that those 15 minutes entail.

    Big rosters require big dedication. Small dedication results in small rosters. I really cant understand how this is hard to process.
    I play 2 to 3 hours a day, and still have problems, yes you are correct, rewards are proportionate to time played, but 3 hours a day is no small amount. Should it warrant a huge roster, absolutely not. Should it warrant more than taking one champ from r1 to r3 a month? For 90 hours of gametime? Yes. Im not saying decrease the time needed, im saying increase the possible ways of acquisition. Literally mentioned arena, arena grindy af, still would be a valid way to increase acquisition with decreasing time.
    That's perfect dude, we're making progress. If you play 3 hours a day, I assume you grind arenas, which means you're getting premium and grandmaster shards. I would suggest not opening crystals untill you need them. Also, I assume you only use class ISO to level up champs, if you dont, start doing that. If you have 4* shards to spare, buy dual class crystals and just store them for when you need them. Right now, throughout the year, I have a stash of at least 15 4* dual class crystals in each crystal type.

    As you can see, its managing your management (as dumb as that sounds). You have to be strategic with your resources. Dont open crystals for the sake of opening, dame for rankups. Save your rankups for Level Up event.

    Speaking of events, by playing 3 hours a day, focus on the type of 22 hour event. Save your arena grind for Arena event and the 8 hour smaller arena events. if theres a class advancement event, dont level up champs, sig them up or level smaller champs, 2 or 3 stars.

    I know this all sounds super nerdy and obsesive, but its one of the better ways to manage your resources.

    If you want further tips, feel free to friend me in-game and I'd be more than happy to give you more in-depth recommendations.
  • Toj37Toj37 Member Posts: 68 ★
    Allnamesbetaken said:

    Toj37 said:

    There already is an iso arena. If you grind a decent amount of arena you won’t be short on iso just from racking up GM crystals.

    I do think it makes a lot of sense to increase the amount of iso from duping 5* and 6* champs though

    Grandmaster crystals give mostly 3 stars, out of 10 crystals, 20000 shards, more than arena gives i bet at least 8 gonna be 3 stars, maybe all 10 thats 20 brick, about 5 levels
    If you grind enough arena you’ll be set on iso. It kinda sucks grinding that much but the option is there. You’ll also be set on units.
  • TruthseekerTruthseeker Member Posts: 333 ★★
    edited January 2023
    The problem started when game shifted from 4* shards to 5* shards. Instead of 2000 4* shards we now get lets say 700-800 5* shards (in ALL kinds of events milestones and so on) and if you pay 10$ month you can get 1000 for 2000 (behold the GREAT DEAL)

    Kabam logic is that putting 5* shards into places where there was 4* shards (at least twice less) is an UPGRADE. It would be 3-4 years ago. Now 5* is same as 4* and 3*. Useless.
    So in terms of getting 24 bricks for 2000 4* shards and 10 000!!!!! 5* shards we got ,,trouble" big time.


    Now i understand people developing need 5* shards and its a big upgrade for them. And i dont know how to solve it but i am sure i got the problem right.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,032 ★★★★★
    Allnamesbetaken said:

    Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

    There is no iso problem. If you have it then you're probably trying to level up any champion you own immediately instead of waiting for the right moment

    Did one rank up in the past half month, on a level up event, nick fury to r3.
    Just that? You can get more than enough iso-8 in a day or two by just playing the game. If you're not playing, then the iso won't just pop up on your account
  • spidyjedi84spidyjedi84 Member Posts: 397 ★★★
    You also have a targeted quest you can autoplay in the background that lets you pick what ISO you are chasing in the daily quests. Further, if you want to fill out autocompletes on that quest alone every few hours after your energy has refilled, you get roughly the same amount of that ISO resource. That's on top of arenas, contributing to alliance quests, alliance war, and the alliance goals tabs that often reward crystal shards of varying levels for just playing. We also have Banquet rewards incoming in the next few days, and Battlegrounds which awards points to choose your awards for playing three times.

    I get not pouring hours into the game, but if you are targeting your play and targeting a select class of ISO, there are options for you to slowly level a character over the span of a week easy.
  • NearJrNearJr Member Posts: 158 ★★
    Nogood22 said:

    Bro, that won't change because of people who have no life beyond the game!

    You are the dumbest boy in school...

    The "people have no life beyond the game" defense is moronic and scapegoatish.

    I hate repeating myself, but you're a special kind of dumdum so I'll say it again:

    "Big rosters require big dedication. Small dedication results in small rosters".
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  • NearJrNearJr Member Posts: 158 ★★
    Nogood22 said:

    Bro, that won't change because of people who have no life beyond the game!

    NearJr said:

    Nogood22 said:

    Bro, that won't change because of people who have no life beyond the game!

    You are the dumbest boy in school...

    The "people have no life beyond the game" defense is moronic and scapegoatish.

    I hate repeating myself, but you're a special kind of dumdum so I'll say it again:

    "Big rosters require big dedication. Small dedication results in small rosters".
    I'm sorry my lord. How much wisdom!
    You're welcome, prat
  • Agent_7Agent_7 Member Posts: 184 ★★
    OP isn’t wrong. ISO scaling has not kept pace with the demand for it through higher rank and higher tier champions. Nor would it be the first time someone has suggested it, either on the forums or elsewhere.

    A Lot of this would be solved simply by scaling the ISO properly from 4* through 6* dupes.

    With 7* looming, not sure how anyone could think this is a request that’s out of the realm of rational thought. Many of us share the sentiment without looking for a complete handout. For any Cav (and prob UC) player and above, three star champions and the nominal amount of ISO that come with them are effectively irrelevant for that purpose.
  • AllnamesbetakenAllnamesbetaken Member Posts: 118 ★
    Nogood22 said:

    Bro, that won't change because of people who have no life beyond the game!

    Thank you for this comment, almost everyone commenting has been one of those
  • AllnamesbetakenAllnamesbetaken Member Posts: 118 ★
    Agent_7 said:

    OP isn’t wrong. ISO scaling has not kept pace with the demand for it through higher rank and higher tier champions. Nor would it be the first time someone has suggested it, either on the forums or elsewhere.

    A Lot of this would be solved simply by scaling the ISO properly from 4* through 6* dupes.

    With 7* looming, not sure how anyone could think this is a request that’s out of the realm of rational thought. Many of us share the sentiment without looking for a complete handout. For any Cav (and prob UC) player and above, three star champions and the nominal amount of ISO that come with them are effectively irrelevant for that purpose.

    Literally all i was getting at, but nope had my prayers answered by a bunch of self proclaimed business and economy majors who play all day everyday. Everyone said 7*s r being introduced to early, i mention some ways to mitigate that damage and boom ppl seem to forget all about what they complained about just a month prior
  • YigzzYigzz Member Posts: 38 ★
    I don’t get why we get the same amount of iso from 4* dupes, 5* dupes, and 6* dupes. I hope there’s an update coming soon for this.
  • Pat_McGloin_1Pat_McGloin_1 Member Posts: 79 ★
    I'm certainly no "whale" but I never run out of iso, maybe run low on gold sometimes, but never iso.
  • ItsDamienItsDamien Member Posts: 5,626 ★★★★★
    Forget the ISO Crisis, let’s talk about Dino Crisis instead.

    Fine. ISO problems are a user problem. Managing resources, playing the game, and doing things that reward shards of all kinds, as well as managing when to do your level ups and how many, is all on the player to do.

    I haven’t grinded arena for example, in months. Months and months. Outside of any special arenas we got for events I’ve done no regular grinds. I have about 500 ISO in my stash now. That’s low for me but I did also go big on a a few rank ups this past level up. I still have 400,000 4* shards that I could use. As well as all the other unopened shard crystals, as well as fully formed crystals yet to open.

    How? By playing the game. I play a couple of hours at most per day, usually less if I don’t have anything in game to do such as EQ or SQs.
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