**WINTER OF WOE - BONUS OBJECTIVE POINT**
As previously announced, the team will be distributing an additional point toward milestones to anyone who completed the Absorbing Man fight in the first step of the Winter of Woe.
This point will be distributed at a later time as it requires the team to pull and analyze data.
The timeline has not been set, but work has started.
As previously announced, the team will be distributing an additional point toward milestones to anyone who completed the Absorbing Man fight in the first step of the Winter of Woe.
This point will be distributed at a later time as it requires the team to pull and analyze data.
The timeline has not been set, but work has started.
There is currently an issue where some Alliances are are unable to find a match in Alliance Wars, or are receiving Byes without getting the benefits of the Win. We will be adjusting the Season Points of the Alliances that are affected within the coming weeks, and will be working to compensate them for their missed Per War rewards as well.
Additionally, we are working to address an issue where new Members of an Alliance are unable to place Defenders for the next War after joining. We are working to address this, but it will require a future update.
Additionally, we are working to address an issue where new Members of an Alliance are unable to place Defenders for the next War after joining. We are working to address this, but it will require a future update.
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Matchmaking tries to find you a match within your tier (f.e. Gold3) and within your Prestige range.
At Gladiator Circuit matchmaking is tying to find opponents with similar GC points, like it is at AW.
Once you get to GC, it's everyone in that tier against anyone else. This is where those who got an easy path to GC by only going against less developed rosters or players get massive wakeup calls. One dude recently posted a complaint how he lost 30 in a row in GC, but that was because he didn't have to face the strong rosters until he hit GC.
They are not getting an easy street to the GC. We've even had Players in other Threads indicate they've made it there on skill, and encountered tougher Accounts than theirs. They were scoffed at and told to enjoy their "fair" Rewards. Yet because they never fought the highest Accounts, they don't deserve to get to the actual competitive start? Let's be real. The GC is where it begins. Not where only the elite belong.
This is the problem with the assumptions made about other Accounts. Everyone is so hyperfocused on other Accounts, through their own eyes, that they claim they can speak for what's easy and what's not, for others.
You have people with years of experience in the game creating Alts and calling it easy, which is not a testament to how it is for someone at that stage. It's a testament to how it is for someone going back with all the knowledge and skill they have, and playing an easier part of the game FOR THEM. Not to mention how this skews the data.
The idea that people aren't being challenged to get to the GC just because comparatively they would die against much larger Accounts is quite frankly, ignorant and arrogant. It's also blind to what is a challenge for others, and what is just absurd butchering.
I will adamantly disagree with the implication that people aren't being challenged to get out of the VT, just because they haven't been overkilled by the largest Accounts. Especially when the largest Accounts consider it an injustice to go against equal or stronger Accounts. That's what the whole Paragon in name comment was about. People want the Title and all the Rewards, but they want to piggy back on the weaker Accounts instead of fighting other Paragons. Please.
Also, I don't know this for certain, I can only offer my opinion based on what I've seen, but I don't think the match system is looking for people at or even super close to your prestige. I think it is invisibly organizing players into "prestige bands" and thus if you happening to be at the bottom of one, you won't get matched against equal competition, you will be matched against statistically much stronger competition. Conversely, if you're near the top of such a grouping you will get matched against statistically weaker competition *until* you advance your prestige out of that group of players and into the next higher group. Specifically, the *bottom* of that group.
Whereupon, no matter how many times you lose, no matter how you juggle your roster, you'll be condemned to get matched against much higher competition until you completely level yourself out of that region of matching, which could be non-trivial.
There were 15-16k prestige players who couldn't get out of victory track because they fought nothing but end game players with elite end game rosters. A UC fighting a UC won't be a major roster difference and many UC aren't great at the game so a slightly above average UC will get to GC fairly easy.
Pretty much everyone at Paragon is at least above average, and many are among the absolutely best I'm the game with the absolute best rosters in the game. At Paragon level and above average players with even an average Paragon rosters or low Paragon roster will get destroyed. They will have very little chance to make it to GC. Best case is they wait until last week and hope all the end game, whales and master alliance players are already in GC. Meanwhile, that 5k UC dude been chilling in GC for weeks.
I will NEVER agree that a weaker roster should get better rewards in rank tier rewards system UNLESS that weaker roster faces or has ability to face the stronger roster. If a lower player and in many cases waaaaay lower players can't beat me, but is in tier where slightly above average gets them to GC, how can you justify them then getting better rewards than end gamers with 15k+ prestige who that much weaker roster never has to face in victory track?
I've asked you this question a dozen times on several threads and you've never given me anything close to a decent answer.
The expressed intent was to encourage players "to use their 'best' champs." The straight forward way to do that would be to match based on the ratings of the top 30 champs in a player's roster.
You keep going back to the Rewards as a reference, as if they don't deserve their Rewards from their own Matches, and your comparison is an entirely unreasonable matchup, when Paragons are arguing their Matches aren't getting them out of VT. What in the world does a lower Account getting to the GC have to do with those Accounts not playing and earning their Matches? Unless what you're lobbying for is the right to easy street Matches on the justification that Rewards are at stake. Doesn't that make you the very thing you're lobbying against?
People who are newly-Paragon are going to have a hard time at first. Just like people who are newly-TB, or Cav or any other Title. The top Title doesn't exempt people from going through that.
People keep flip-flopping their arguments between the Matches and the Rewards, as it suits their agenda. What I see a great deal of is bruised egos over not getting to the GC, when someone else has.
You have this completely backwards. You're saying there's no justification for Paragons' to "avoid" facing stronger Paragons. But that's what lower tier players are doing. While they are getting their "fair" matches, they are being allowed to completely avoid matches other players are not allowed to avoid.
Nobody is asking for Paragon's to get special treatment. You are the only person characterizing this as Paragons asking for special treatment. *I* would be perfectly happy if *no one* got special treatment. Instead, it is the lower roster players that are getting special treatment, by being allowed to avoid stronger competition.
I'm not asking to avoid anyone. I will fight anyone. If everyone else has to. But right now, many players don't have to.
In fact, I will go farther. I would be perfectly willing to offer lower roster players special treatment. I would be perfectly happy to grant them restricted, easier match ups when they are starting out, to encourage them to participate. But when I see them pass me by, using those advantages not just to start out, but to overtake me by a mile, my generosity in extending that easy on ramp becomes extremely strained.
To repeat: the lower roster players are the ones getting special treatment. And most Paragon's aren't even asking for that special treatment to go away completely. They are just asking for it to not be so blatant that they can literally climb over them into GT at one tenth the effort while most Paragons are struggling to get half as far as them. If that's too much to ask, too bad.
Rewards are a separate issue. One that I have no issues with changing. In fact, I'm not opposing any change. What I disagree with is the lack of acknowledgement for the efforts those Players are doing with the best of what they have, just because the highest Players are boasting about their ability to obliterate them given the chance.
This is the definition of special treatment. Why should they get to avoid those matches, but I can't? I have to fight everyone. I'm getting no special treatment. They are specifically avoiding certain matches. That's special treatment.In this game, roster matters. Stronger roster offers an advantage. Flipping that upside down and giving lower strength rosters an advantage, because otherwise they can't compete, is itself anti-progressional. If you think this is supposed to be an IROC-Z race, then ask for the devs to reinstitute 4* Decks. Then everyone gets 5/50 champs, and no one has a roster advantage. That would eliminate the progressional advantage and make battlegrounds purely skill based. Of course, then veterans would have an experience advantage over new players, but we can solve that problem by requiring veterans to hit themselves in the face with a shovel before every match.
The devs don't seem to think everyone playing with 5/50 decks is a good idea. They don't seem to think just handing everyone the same deck is a good idea either. That's because this game is a progressional game, and roster progress should confer an advantage not a disadvantage.
Repeating over and over that the lower tier players are "earning" their rewards is a meaningless statement. Nobody "earns" something in a competition. Competitions are about winning and losing. If you want to reward effort in Battlegrounds, give them a cookie. But giving players easier weaker matches and then slow clapping when they win is not earning rewards, any more than a drinking bird beating a snail over and over again deserves to be in Celestial.
They may be doing the best they can, but the best they can should not matter in a competition. And sure, you can cap their rewards so that they cannot overtake stronger players, but then you're permanently sentencing them to weak rewards. Now, the best and the worst of them get basically the same stuff. Is that what's best for them? None of them, no matter how skilled, will ever do better than what some designer arbitrarily decides is their ceiling?
If I was a new Cav player, I would not want to be trapped in a lower division with weak rewards. I would want to be able to compete against similar strength players, sure, but when I've proven that I can beat them, I would want a shot at stronger competition with higher rewards. That's what competitions are supposed to be for.
Its a dumb trade up but to each his own
We are not talking about 3-4 tiers in VT, we are talking about 16 VT tiers plus GC.
These are a lot of rewards to get by not matching the competition, who also fights for these rewards.
Because my main 15.3k Prestige account that placed Platinum3 VT, got less than half trophy tokens, than my alt 10k Prestige account which reached GC from the first week without sweating a bit.
No I don’t feel like my alt account worked these rewards.
They were handled to me for little to no effort, compared to the effort I put on my main, to not even reach halfway that.
I was winning matches at VT with the 10k Prestige account with 15k points, and I was losing matches with my main 15.3k Prestige account with 50k points at VT.
The difference in competing with people that have 10k Prestige to those that have over 15k is huge.
It’s a whole different world of skills and game knowledge.
Anyone with a second account that does BGs, can confirm that.
I don’t know know personally if I’m infuriated or not.
My alt account’s free rewards help me, to the not direction.
But I can surely say I’m annoyed, these rewards are not on my hard worked and well payed main account, and instead are on a free to play alt fun account.
I personally not losing a lot from this situation, but I can’t not feel bad for the other Paragon players I was facing and left at VT, watching UC accounts claiming their VT rewards.
It’s a shame for these accounts hard work, to get neutralised by a broken matchmaking that has failed loudly in the past also (AW Prestige matchmaking glorious days).
But, it’s also unacceptable for a serious company to repeat the exact same mistake, and still waiting for people to outrage before starting taking action.
*sigh*
I want equal chance to fight the best accounts in my BG tier and worst accounts in my BG tier. Also, there have been many suggestions to clear out the top guys quicker from each tier giving everyone the opportunity to work their way up....as others move up.
(I would like them to leave in 0 energy friendly BGs during offseason though. Offsubject, but my thought.)
From plat3 to d1 ,it was tough mostly fighting stacked accounts with many r4s.
My prestige is higher than normal considering i have only one r4 .....
I just don't think someone's complaints about matchmaking cna be taken seriously if they're actively trying to game the matchmaking system while complaining about it.
Seems kinda odd though that you were against sandbagging getting fixed, and now you're complaining because lower accounts were avoiding you 100% while you were stuck on gold. Not saying this is how it should be, in fact I want completely random matchmaking too... but it does seem like you have a little skill issue going on there pal.
I said multiple times that sandbagging would become non-existent if they were to take pi or prestige out of the matchmaking process which is 100 percent true.
I was 100 percent positive then that this would be their solution which I knew would be far worse for many players. Also, I made one thread 3 weeks ago at the start of when notice how bad it was and now at.the near end of season I did a poll. Nowhere close.to the same.thing nor has my message changed once.
Additionally, the still in gold post was over 3 weeks ago and was referencing it due to being in GC within days the previous seasons. Within a couple.days of that post I was in GC. I have hundreds of videos to show I don't have a skill issue, do you?
Just like the video I did to show some.of the accounts in GC as low as 5k prestige, it's about fairness and not punishing people for continuing to develop their roster. You should really do a better job at reading before calling people out.