These matchmaking accounts are way too stacked for VT

Something definitely changed this season with matchmaking. Now, me with 5*'s in my deck, can't manage to get past plat 2 because every account I come across has all 6*'s with the top rows looking like r4's meanwhile I'm still TB with only 2 r4 6*'s
Especially as a free to play with relatively not so bad but not so great rng in crystal pulls, it makes ranking champs up to climb VT even that much harder. I feel atleast last season I was coming across good matchmaking's with pretty similar accounts now I'm completely outclassed
Anything about this Kabaam?

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Chatterofforums

Better question is why do you believe you deserve to advance past plat 2 when you still have 5 stars in your deck?

Dangerx17

So I should just stay in gold because of my 5* and not my skill in the game 👌

Last season I made it to GC with the same 5*'s cause matchmaking was actually at the same level and came across similar decks

Chatterofforums

Then it was broken last season. You are competing for same rewards as everyone else, why should you only face weaker rosters and end up with better rewards than stronger rosters without ever having to face them? That's beyond entitled.

Banhammer_ste

I couldn't get out of silver 2 last season. My top 2 rows are all 6* r4's.

Be thankful for your 5* r5's. They're likely the reason you got as high as plat 2.

Ranking champs doesn't help you get further in VT. It gets you tougher matches with bigger accounts and stops you getting anywhere. Trust me it really sucks

ItsClobberinTime

What makes you think an account with 5* and no 6* should make it to GC, only top players belong in GC, you're not one of them because your account is not big enough to be at the top. You shouldn't even be in plat 2 as a matter of fact so I don't know what you're complaining about.
Smaller accounts shouldn't be climbing up the ladder quicker than those with bigger accounts and because we're all competing for same rewards, there's no such thing as "I should be facing people with the same deck strength and level as mine" cause then you're just completely ignoring 50% of the competition with no downsides whatsoever which is absolutely ridiculous. I'd understand the complaint if you were facing those accounts in Bronze 3, that would be unfair indeed but you're already in Plat 2 my guy.

Zolobacsi

That's not entirely true. We are not competing for the same rewards as with your progress prices get lower in the store. In victory track shouldn't matter what stars you have on your team, you should be facing the same or close strength opponents. You with all 6* ignoring more than 50% of the competition, it's a different story that it means you are facing the higher strength bit of it. In GC yes, everyone against everyone so weaker champs won't stand a chance but in VT you should be able to progress. And I don't understand the logic behind that, how is it easier to face 5* vs 5* than 6* vs 6*?

ItsClobberinTime

You're wrong, and you people really need to stop using this as an argument, it makes no sense. The rewards are the trophy tokens, not want you can or can't buy in the battlegrounds store, we all receive the same exact amount of tokens regardless of progression so yes, same rewards.

No, you shouldn't. If you're only facing opponents at your same level it's easy to make it to gc before most Paragons do and that's just straight up dumb. I'm cav, and I made it to gc on week two last season while there were Paragons still stuck in VT on the fourth week. How do you not see that as an issue?

Who's claiming you shouldn't be allowed to progress? All we're saying is matchmaking should be random after a certain league in VT so people like OP don't reach plat 2 on week one while 50% of the Paragon playerbase is still stuck in silver.

It's not that it's easier, it's the fact that the gaps between Paragons are bigger because 6* are not as easy to take to r4 (let alone max out) as maxing out a 5*. If you take a look at most people with 5* decks the vast majority already have 10-20 maxed out 5*. You look at Paragons some will have 3 or 4 r4 6* while some other whales will have 30, this is because ranking up 6* is harder and takes longer than maxing out a 5* making it harder for Paragons to progress than us because of these gaps.

Banhammer_ste

I'm not sure why it's the case but certainly people with big accounts report having a much easier time going through the vt on their secondary smaller accounts.

Hard to say why that is. Could be that they're lot more skilled relative to the smaller bracket compared to the higher bracket. Could be because there's more variance at lower levels letting you string together wins easier. Might be less variance meaning you're more likely to fight someone near your level instead of much higher.

Hard to know without having access to the info kabam does. I'm sure they could tell you. Certainly once you get to a high level there is a much smaller tolerance for mistakes. One mistake is a loss that would be much more likely to have a lesser impact at a lower level of competition

Moosetiptronic

I'm still at exactly 50% win rate and still in bronze 1; paragon only matching stacked paragon accounts in bronze.

If I didn't feel morally obligated to put up points to help my alliance score, I'd stop playing BGs entirely, even though the rewards are arguably better than a full EOP clear.

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willrun4adonut

I’m stuck in bronze 2 with my paragon account, and I always make it to gamma 2 or higher.

IvarTheBoneless

Oh no not this again...

Where are groundedwisdom and DNA3000 let's get this party started lol

Anurag1606

I have 2 accounts. Main is Paragon with 19 6r4s and 1 6r5. Secondary is level 59 TB which I got just last month. Got 4 6r3s on that. Mostly 5 star and not even 5r5 deck. Got multiple 5r4 in deck on secondary.

On my main I find it so difficult to advance. Almost win 1, lose 1 situation and more often draft dependent wins. On secondary I don't think I lost match in last 15 or so or whatever number of matches it displays in history. Not a single L I can see at the moment. On my secondary I get matches with similar roster 5 stars and mix of 6 stars. I get by easily there. Whereas on my main I get opponent with all 6r4 deck. Both accounts in similar tier. This I think it's not completely fair on bigger accounts. Then what is that point of ranking up champs if you can't beat a lot of smaller accounts and stay in same tier? We are competing for same rewards so it should be a random match and not based on roster strength. As this doesn't encourage for rankups.

Banhammer_ste

I'm not gonna rest until every post on the front page is about matchmaking until kabam make a proper response 😂

The examples people are giving of their bigass accounts getting stuck at low levels show what a ludicrous setup this is.

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SpideyFunko

You two are actually agreeing on something… I must be dreaming

Ironman3000

You don't deserve to be in Plat 2 with your roster when Pargons are getting stuck in Bronze and Silver. Thank Kabam for gifting you all the rewards you undeservedly have gotten this season and hope they don't increase your roster enough to move up a band next season.

Ironman3000

WRONG.

Everyone is in the same pool and earns the same rewards. Prices in the store have NOTHING to do with this. Enjoy your "hard earned' rewards that you "totally" deserved to get.

Ironman3000

I just got out of Bronze 1 last night. I've been in the GC each previous season. The big difference this season is that I did all of Vol 3 and got an R5 which increased my prestige to 16.4k. No competitive game EVER gets harder the stronger your roster gets.

Greekhit

You guys don’t even check Gladiator Circuit bottom rankings, and see what accounts have made it there.
I’m saving you from a certain stroke 😉
I nearly had it 😠
Prestige Matchmaking is erroneous, but somehow Kabam chooses to ignore that, and insist on using it on competitive modes.
Battlegrounds aren’t friendly matches, it is a competition with impactful rewards, and it should be treated as that by the game developers.

ItsClobberinTime

I never disagreed with him and the whole random matchmaking thing tbh. He just doesn't listen to anything I have to say cause he just calls it trolling or name calling and ignores it completely lol.

DNA3000

It comes down to a combination of higher skill/knowledge combined with rosters that put pressure on that knowledge.

When your roster is pushing the top of the game, you bump up against the champion caps. While it is theoretically possible for players to have one or a few R5s, predominantly the top rank up you could be doing at any frequency is R4. Your roster can get wider, but it can't really get taller. Everyone's decks start "filling out" with the best BG and BG-meta champs.

But it is the wild west in lower progressing tiers. Every roster is different and no one has an optimal deck. In those situations, the player who knows more about who is a better match up against who, and who has more experience playing champs that are uncommon to play outside of BG will have a substantial edge.

Any *new* player who happens to know somewhat more than average or has somewhat more practice with unconventional champions will also possess that advantage, and be able to beat up the competition over and over again without ever being significantly challenged by stiffer competition. Once you are above average, you can maintain that edge almost indefinitely throughout VT, because at no time are you likely to run into a long stretch of players with even comparable, much less superior, mastery of the game.

Because stronger accounts have to play everyone, that's always the danger playing high roster strength accounts. Random chance will throw you against long strings of players stronger than you, unless you're among the top ten percent of all players. And that will often prevent you from stringing together enough wins in a row to advance, a problem that is far less common when you play a low alt. I don't win every match with my low alt. But losses are infrequent enough to not be a barrier to moving up in VT.

SirGamesBond

skipping every comment after the quoted one...

Waiting for your response @Dangerx17
Would you care to reply Good Sir!

Dangerx17

I never said I didn't have 6* in my deck I'm saying out of 30 champs 13 of them are 5* I wouldn't come here complaining if my whole deck was just 5* that's just stupid

My point I'm making is last season I was coming across people with similar rosters of 5* and 6* not just straight 6*'s with damn near the whole top being r4's clearly that just shows pay to play is the way how u get high in the VT and GC

Dangerx17

It's not about facing weaker rosters if they have 5* and 6* like me in their deck then how are they weaker? Again miscommunication I am not referring to my deck only being filled with 5* but it damn sure isn't full of 6* r3 and r4 only. Why is it that my rating is the same as those stacked rosters but I have to come across them in VT when clearly they outshine me in every way possible except similar hero rating

I'm not asking for it to be easy and face weaker rosters but not crazy powerful just at my level

That's like playing a fighting game and running into ranked players 5x ranked higher than u clearly you're outmatched

Chatterofforums

Meanwhile there are accounts who have all r4 or at least nothing less than r3 6 stars in their battle deck who are stuck in bronze - gold.

This is because of this extremely unfair prestige based matchmaking process that has allowed far weaker rosters (that many 5 stars in battle deck is a fairly weak roster in today's game meta) to avoid stronger rosters for easier path to better rewards than far stronger rosters.

Please tell me why you think you should be able to fight only similar rosters without fighting those stronger than you when you are competing for the EXACT same rewards as them?

You know this matchmaking system has allowed a far weaker roster like your to get better rewards than far stronger rosters that would wipe the floor with you all because you haven't had to face them? Please tell me how that is fair to those who have taken the time (or spent the money) to progress their rosters?

SirGamesBond

Anybody else who sympathise to players on both sides of this discussion?

I don't want players to get stomped on.
Why do you think you deserve Plat 2 and players 5x stronger than you don't? Those guy can't get out of bronze/silver due to matchmaking.

That's why, I also don't want players, who have put much more efforts and time building thier decks, to get punished for having a bigger roster.

Dangerx17

What better rewards are u referring to? I've still seen the same rewards as all the other seasons so not sure what's better

And again if I, with 5*'s in my deck because I don't have loads of great 6*'s, climbed up to plat 2 that should show that I have had better defensive and offensive choices in the matches that I've played against other paragon players. Now it's at a point where even that doesn't matter because their stacked account severely out weights my smart decisions in battle. Even for paragon players to not make it out of bronze if freaking crazy how do u not see the matchmaking is busted this season even with that realization?

Dangerx17

Exactly why I think the matchmaking is busted as a whole

Recoome agrees

L1zardW1zard

That doesn't really make that much of a difference. There's thousands of accounts with full 6* rosters who are still stuck in silver while you're already in plat 2 on week one. You don't see the problem there?
You should be stuck in silver right now with the rest of those accounts until they climb up first (because they're stronger than you), not ahead of them and literally just a few leagues away from GC.
Reason you were getting fair matches last season is because Kabam fixed the sandbagging issue without looking at the bigger picture, that's all.