Potential Delay to v44.1 Launch
We are currently working through some issues that may affect the release window of v44.1. This means that the update may not release on Monday as it usually does. We are working to resolve the issue holding us up as quickly as possible, but will keep you all updated, especially if the delay results in any changes to the content release schedule.
We are currently working through some issues that may affect the release window of v44.1. This means that the update may not release on Monday as it usually does. We are working to resolve the issue holding us up as quickly as possible, but will keep you all updated, especially if the delay results in any changes to the content release schedule.
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What part is the competitive mode and what part is the trail or just for the fun section?
My interpretation is that the VT is the fun section and GT is the competitive mode.
Your seem to believe the whole thing is the competitive mode.
If the intent was really that all of BG was only for what the top 30% most motivated players,
And the other 70% should stay out,
Then i retract my criticisms, how ever if the vt is supposed to be the trial and GC is the competitive mode then i think they missed the mark
U gotta get thru VT to get to GC...the whole thing is 1 single competition not divided into 2...
At this point it seems like u want a casual competition.. well then the argument would be.. how casual...
Would u even partcipate if they made a "casual BG" with no rewards in it?
Its a competition, losing should have its negative effect.. otherwise u could just be doing something non stop and reach the top...
I'm just gonna ignore u cause every interaction with you is useless.. all u do is put words on other post to steer the conversation your way...
At this point it seems like u want a casual competition.. well then the argument would be.. how casual...
Would u even partcipate if they made a "casual BG" with no rewards in it?
If it is one single thing then why are there 2?
That's the problem . People are dividing VT and GC as separate competitions.. and its the same competition...if the win deduction didn't happen everyone would be in GC in a matter of time.. so yeah u would be gunning to it...
Ok fine how about we ask for this...
Lets ask Kabam to take out every reward for climbing tiers... U can only get them as u climb up in GC... Objectives every 48 hs.. thats fine; eliminate the loss punishment.. but you get 0 rewards till you start climbing up in GC...
Ppl try to put other motivations on it but the bottom line truth is its not fun for a lot of ppl right from the start,
Its not about rewards,
Its not about skill,
Its not about roster,
Its about fun and why.
I list my reason about feel bads in earlier posts, thats it.
So no, this is no fun at all.
But let’s try it:
Depending your Prestige and your account width, getting out of VT can be far more difficult than completing EOP.
EOP forgives mistakes, and also you can always “buy” your way through with stashed items or units.
On the other side, playing against 16k-17k Prestige sweaty players gives 0 room for mistakes.
Also at BGs you can’t “buy” your way through (at least at a reasonable total price), because Victory Shields as they are now (burn even if you win, and cost 90 whole units) are ineffective and not so helping to skip VT tiers.
BGs(VT) need many changes, in order to keep the mode alive.
The reasons for trophy penalties are specific to the current structure of BG. They don’t have to exist, but they do have to exist in certain designs, such as the current one. Changing that cannot happen in a vacuum. You would need to make major structural changes to the rest of the mode to to change that one thing.
You are right losing during the regular season of the NFL u don't go backwards.. It doesnt happen in BGs either.. u climb from Bronze 1 to Silver 3.. u get your rewards.. 1st match in Silver 3 u lose..u don't go back to Bronze 1.. U can lose 10 matches in a row and you will still be at Silver 3...
Its almost like thats what they do. I also find it ironic that mostly likely if you get you wish and they make bg into a private playground your ranking will drop and you’ll prolly have less fun because the ppl you are prolly winning against are the casual who dont care that much and only dropped by for a few matches.
Here goes:
First of all Battlegrounds CAN be a lot of fun when things go right, however that is very rare.
- Is that very rare? What kind of data pool are you pulling from to back this up? I've personally had pretty decent luck in BGs when it comes to bugs/modders/connection drop etc (assuming this is what you mean when "things go right" although that is a super vague statement), and while I could be an outlier in the overall population, so could an experience when things rarely go right. -
Way back when BG was in early beta everyone loved it. Then they added the tracks. The victory track is an okay idea with a horribly bad execution. “Lets take the sweatest players, mixed them with the casuals, and have them fight it out for rewards. “
- For the record, not everybody loved it, and I feel like there have always been those who do not prefer the format. However, the whole point of a competitive mode is to mix together players in a.... competitive... format. Casuals can still play with friends, but if casuals want the same rewards as "sweaty" players, then they should have to compete for them. The nature of the mode.
Idk, doesnt sound like much fun for anyone other than the try hards. But thats not the big problem.
- Again, the whole point of the mode is that the harder you try (and presumably the better you play), the better you get rewarded. This can be alleviated but not really taken away unless the mode is fundamentally different.
Arguably, those two groups would separate after the 1st week or so, so not a major issue. The issue is the design. Having to win 3 matches + or - is ok but having people lose “wins” is a major design flaw for casual players.
- What is the difference between losing wins and having to win 3 matches + or - , is that not considering the - ?
Sure the try hards dont care, but the ppl only playing 3 matches a day it becomes bad.
- Anyone spending ~30 minutes/day on a mode may not be a try hard, but is certainly not casual.
Lets count the feel bads.
1. You lose the match. Ok it happens to everyone but it is a fee bad.
2. Now the awesome win you just got is take away. Hope you enjoyed it while it was there!
3. God help you if the game glitched for some reason between defenders going unblockable to parry not working to abilities not triggering, ive seen it all.
- This doesn't seem to have much of a point.
Ohh, and lets not forget about matchmaking.
- You proceed to not mention matchmaking or making any point about it.
So why should anyone who is not competitive play this format???
- They can, with friendly matches. They shouldn't play it in competitive mode if they dont want to be competitive.
All you do is make ppl feel bad every third match.
- You actually undersell this point. They make someone feel bad every match, it just isn't always you.
Can you can really blame ppl for hacking it when kabam can make it fair and enjoyable from the start.
Obviously, dont hack but if someone just did it for the milestones and didnt affect the competitive players would you blame them???
- I can't even begin to describe how incorrect this is. Even beyond hacking in any other game mode, hacking in a competitive mode literally directly impacts every single player that you face, and then everyone below you in the ranked mode. I would blame them for doing somethng wrong because the act itself was wrong, regardless of the percieved impact.
Just want to dig deeper into this mentality for a second. Life is hard, is not always fair, and can be unenjoyable. Does that give people the right to take what makes your life enjoayble for themselves? Maybe you have a really whack morality system, but I assume that doing the wrong thing -and- negatively affecting others (or yourself) typically checks the box for worthy of blame. I'll also not go into the widespread ramifications of negatively affecting a system by doing things against the rules when others don't because "it doesn't affect them".
Kabam has locked the best store in the game behind the most painful experience in the game. All to make an extra few dollars on victory shield.
- Most painful is subjective, and I doubt that victory shields is where they are making the most money when it comes to BGs.
Its shameful,
I would argue that countenancing cheating is far more shameful than the actual actions and design of Kabam here.
I encourage ppl to play it as little as possible
- Advice that people can take if they think your arguments hold merit.
Thank you
Probably the best part of the whole post. I do prefer when people wrap things up in a respecful way.
Overall, not the best argument against BGs, nor extremely compelling. Hopefully I wasn't unreasonably rude or anything, but I wanted to add my thoughts what I tried to make a productive way.
Best,
Squirrelguy
Is that technically "backwards" well, pretty darn close as that one loss cost that team the chance to go into the playoffs and the chance to compete for the Superbowl while the team that won is in the running for the Lombardi trophy. Of course I'm assuming that other teams in the running for the "wild card" spot in the conference had better than a 8 win 9 loss record.
Sorry for being overly technical, but ya, I love football.
And i got my butt whooped
If they want to continue with their prestige bands, then I'm fine with dropping the loss of tokens and having the "penalty" be a slower climb. If they go to random matchmaking w/i a tier (like GC) then losing tokens makes sense.
Basically, if rosters/prestige/hero rating plays into the matchmaking then there should be no token loss because that is not true competition. If it's completely random matchmaking w/o a tier then there should be token loss because that is true competition.
What the casual player wants in a "competitive mode"
Day 1 Bronze 3: Win 2 Lose 1 Promoted (reward)
Day 2: Bronze 2: Win 2 Lose 1 Promoted (reward)
Day 3: Bronze 1: Win 2 Lose 1 Promoted (Reward)
Day 4: Silver 3: Win 2 Lose 1 2 coins!!!
Day 5: Silver 3: Win 2 Lose 1 Promoted (Reward!!)
Day 6: Silver 2: Win 2 Lose 1 Promoted!! (Reward!!)
How on earth is this about playing a mode and not the rewards...
This also assumes a win/loss rate of 66% which most casual players are more than likely going to be seeing a more 50/50 win loss rate. So to fix your example
Day 1: Bronze 3 win 1 lose 1 win 1 (you have 1 token)
Day 2: bronze 3 win 2 lose 1 (you are bottom of bronze 2)
Day 3: bronze 2 win 1 lose 2
Day 4: win 2 lose 1 (promotion yay)
Day 5 somehow win 2 lose 1 yay another promotion
Day 6: win 2 lose 1
Day 7: win 1 lose 2
Day 8 win 2 lose 1
Day 9 win 1 lose 2.
Can you see the frustration players can have trying to get 3 wins without using victory shields?