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In no competition, does one’s rank reset every season.

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  • BuggyDClownBuggyDClown Posts: 2,036 ★★★★★
    Progress should reset every season

    Imagine climbing up to Gladiator and then stop playing. And only playing 1 match each season so high have activity which will activate season rewards. Now that would be unfair
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Posts: 1,864 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    NearJr said:

    In the NBA, when the season starts, everyone has the exact same chance to get into the playoffs. The reigning champs do not get a free playoff spot. You earn what you get.

    Do high school teams get put in the NBA at the start of each season?
    I want to address this head on. Yes, they do, *if* they satisfy the qualifications for being an NBA team.

    The NBA is a closed sport, where competitors must mean the requirements of competition. If they do, they will compete against everyone equally. If they don't they are not allowed to compete at all.

    High school teams do not compete against NBA teams not because it is not fair, and not because we rank them identically. High school teams do not compete against the NBA because no high school team is in the NBA. High school teams do not compete against NBA teams for the same reason Injustice players do not compete against MCOC players in Battlegrounds.
    You totally missed the point.
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Posts: 1,864 ★★★★★
    TyEdge said:

    NearJr said:

    In the NBA, when the season starts, everyone has the exact same chance to get into the playoffs. The reigning champs do not get a free playoff spot. You earn what you get.

    Do high school teams get put in the NBA at the start of each season?
    Here's the thing, you cannot compare 2 different levels that are competing for different prizes.
    Does a cavalier have different prizes than a paragon in BG? No.

    So when the progression/rank resets at the START of every season, it is to give everyone the same footing. Competitions usually start with teams at zero points. F1?? EPL?? FIFA?? NBA?? BG??
    It’s amazing how much wrong you crammed into one post. 1) they’re literally not competing for the same prizes. I know that because I can look at the store on my paragon, TB and Cav accounts and see that I get vastly different purchasing options with my trophies.

    The EPL? Yeah, the table starts at zero each year, but how’d those teams get there? Well, 17 (or whatever number) played well enough last season to earn a spot. 3 didn’t, and they got replaced by others from a different league who achieved at top of their competition.

    And none of this can be compared to American sports. American sports leagues exist as a closed system with no relegation or promotion. The goal of each team is a championship. The goal of each ownership group is usually profit. The goal of the league is to maximize profit while maintaining a semblance of competitive equity. That’s why the worst teams get the best draft picks. Hey…maybe Kabam can give all the uncollected players a 6r4 Galan to level the playing field!
    This awful argument has been debunked many times. Your store is tailored to progress you the same amount as higher players and everyone earns the same rewards.
  • legalactionlegalaction Posts: 182 ★★

    So why does this happen in BGS. It’s like saying a pro football player and a middle schooler have the same experience because they’ve never played this season. I wish there was some permanence to the rank you achieve and can only go back down by losing. Then change “games won” objectives with “games played” so people are not incentivized to throw.

    In Pro football (and really in every sport I can think of including college sprts), every season begins with everyone at the same "rank", with the same record of zero wins and zero losses.
    This is a good example that op fails to acknowledge
    It really isn't.

    The teams within each league all go back to 0 but they don't combine every single league together. If BGs were only for Paragons then you would have a point.
    Man you really don't know how sports work. Shows why you don't grasp that your concept is wrong.
    But go ahead and disagree
  • VaniteliaVanitelia Posts: 235 ★★
    Something that would be fair would be to set up BG's like Incursions. If matchmaking is truly based on roster size and everyone wants a fair shake, then clearly state what a summoner can expect when entering whatever tier of BG's they choose to enter. We have it in incursions and we also have it when entering quests. It's basically play at your own risk knowing that the harder the content, the more resources you'll need to use to complete it.

    No need to change the resources earned because the stores are already tailored to progression level. My rewards are weighted differently than a TB or Cavalier player. Also, if participation in the game mode is the desired outcome, the system would make it enjoyable for everyone since they are matched with accounts similar to theirs as long as they choose the tier that fits their roster level.

    If a summoner wants to test the deep end, then they'll face larger accounts. People enjoy challenges and if they want to do it, then that's great. Given the parameters of BG's, it would be a huge undertaking, but at least they have the choice. In order to prevent Paragons from being a big fish in a little pond, they'd be locked at the highest tier. TB would have the option of staying in TB or moving up to Paragon. Cavalier can stay at Cav level or fight up to TB.

    I think this would also encourage roster development instead of accounts staying at their current level to get better matchmaking options. Jut my thought
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    TyEdge said:

    NearJr said:

    In the NBA, when the season starts, everyone has the exact same chance to get into the playoffs. The reigning champs do not get a free playoff spot. You earn what you get.

    Do high school teams get put in the NBA at the start of each season?
    Here's the thing, you cannot compare 2 different levels that are competing for different prizes.
    Does a cavalier have different prizes than a paragon in BG? No.

    So when the progression/rank resets at the START of every season, it is to give everyone the same footing. Competitions usually start with teams at zero points. F1?? EPL?? FIFA?? NBA?? BG??
    It’s amazing how much wrong you crammed into one post. 1) they’re literally not competing for the same prizes. I know that because I can look at the store on my paragon, TB and Cav accounts and see that I get vastly different purchasing options with my trophies.

    The EPL? Yeah, the table starts at zero each year, but how’d those teams get there? Well, 17 (or whatever number) played well enough last season to earn a spot. 3 didn’t, and they got replaced by others from a different league who achieved at top of their competition.

    And none of this can be compared to American sports. American sports leagues exist as a closed system with no relegation or promotion. The goal of each team is a championship. The goal of each ownership group is usually profit. The goal of the league is to maximize profit while maintaining a semblance of competitive equity. That’s why the worst teams get the best draft picks. Hey…maybe Kabam can give all the uncollected players a 6r4 Galan to level the playing field!
    This awful argument has been debunked many times. Your store is tailored to progress you the same amount as higher players and everyone earns the same rewards.
    If tailoring rewards based on a certain factor means it is the same reward then act 1 and act 8 has the same rewards
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Posts: 1,864 ★★★★★

    So why does this happen in BGS. It’s like saying a pro football player and a middle schooler have the same experience because they’ve never played this season. I wish there was some permanence to the rank you achieve and can only go back down by losing. Then change “games won” objectives with “games played” so people are not incentivized to throw.

    In Pro football (and really in every sport I can think of including college sprts), every season begins with everyone at the same "rank", with the same record of zero wins and zero losses.
    This is a good example that op fails to acknowledge
    It really isn't.

    The teams within each league all go back to 0 but they don't combine every single league together. If BGs were only for Paragons then you would have a point.
    Man you really don't know how sports work. Shows why you don't grasp that your concept is wrong.
    But go ahead and disagree
    Lol, great argument. Please explain to me, a career coach at the college and high school level as well as an event organizer for World Cup Olympic sports, how 'sports work'. Thanks!
  • TruthseekerTruthseeker Posts: 333 ★★

    This is something we want to address. We're currently working on a solution for this, but I don't have any details on exactly what it would look like, or when you could expect it. It would help uneven matchmaking at the start of a season, and maintain some of your progress from season to season.

    Heres the issue mike.
    Vanitelia said:

    Something that would be fair would be to set up BG's like Incursions. If matchmaking is truly based on roster size and everyone wants a fair shake, then clearly state what a summoner can expect when entering whatever tier of BG's they choose to enter. We have it in incursions and we also have it when entering quests. It's basically play at your own risk knowing that the harder the content, the more resources you'll need to use to complete it.

    No need to change the resources earned because the stores are already tailored to progression level. My rewards are weighted differently than a TB or Cavalier player. Also, if participation in the game mode is the desired outcome, the system would make it enjoyable for everyone since they are matched with accounts similar to theirs as long as they choose the tier that fits their roster level.

    If a summoner wants to test the deep end, then they'll face larger accounts. People enjoy challenges and if they want to do it, then that's great. Given the parameters of BG's, it would be a huge undertaking, but at least they have the choice. In order to prevent Paragons from being a big fish in a little pond, they'd be locked at the highest tier. TB would have the option of staying in TB or moving up to Paragon. Cavalier can stay at Cav level or fight up to TB.

    I think this would also encourage roster development instead of accounts staying at their current level to get better matchmaking options. Jut my thought

    Made a separate post about it. This the biggest issue for me and you have a smart solution.
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Posts: 1,864 ★★★★★

    TyEdge said:

    NearJr said:

    In the NBA, when the season starts, everyone has the exact same chance to get into the playoffs. The reigning champs do not get a free playoff spot. You earn what you get.

    Do high school teams get put in the NBA at the start of each season?
    Here's the thing, you cannot compare 2 different levels that are competing for different prizes.
    Does a cavalier have different prizes than a paragon in BG? No.

    So when the progression/rank resets at the START of every season, it is to give everyone the same footing. Competitions usually start with teams at zero points. F1?? EPL?? FIFA?? NBA?? BG??
    It’s amazing how much wrong you crammed into one post. 1) they’re literally not competing for the same prizes. I know that because I can look at the store on my paragon, TB and Cav accounts and see that I get vastly different purchasing options with my trophies.

    The EPL? Yeah, the table starts at zero each year, but how’d those teams get there? Well, 17 (or whatever number) played well enough last season to earn a spot. 3 didn’t, and they got replaced by others from a different league who achieved at top of their competition.

    And none of this can be compared to American sports. American sports leagues exist as a closed system with no relegation or promotion. The goal of each team is a championship. The goal of each ownership group is usually profit. The goal of the league is to maximize profit while maintaining a semblance of competitive equity. That’s why the worst teams get the best draft picks. Hey…maybe Kabam can give all the uncollected players a 6r4 Galan to level the playing field!
    This awful argument has been debunked many times. Your store is tailored to progress you the same amount as higher players and everyone earns the same rewards.
    If tailoring rewards based on a certain factor means it is the same reward then act 1 and act 8 has the same rewards
    Hyperbole aside, the Act 1 rewards can hypothetically propel an account higher then whatever the act 8 rewards are considering how small the Act 1 account is and how big the Act 8 account it.

    You're also not taking into account how easy it is to increase titles now so a CAV could easily hoard their chips for a season where they're getting easy wins only to jump a title or two and then spend it in the higher store.
  • legalactionlegalaction Posts: 182 ★★
    edited March 2023

    So why does this happen in BGS. It’s like saying a pro football player and a middle schooler have the same experience because they’ve never played this season. I wish there was some permanence to the rank you achieve and can only go back down by losing. Then change “games won” objectives with “games played” so people are not incentivized to throw.

    In Pro football (and really in every sport I can think of including college sprts), every season begins with everyone at the same "rank", with the same record of zero wins and zero losses.
    This is a good example that op fails to acknowledge
    It really isn't.

    The teams within each league all go back to 0 but they don't combine every single league together. If BGs were only for Paragons then you would have a point.
    Man you really don't know how sports work. Shows why you don't grasp that your concept is wrong.
    But go ahead and disagree
    Lol, great argument. Please explain to me, a career coach at the college and high school level as well as an event organizer for World Cup Olympic sports, how 'sports work'. Thanks!
    You still haven't explained what these "major differences" you said yesterday.

    And to say you have such experience and then go and say this

    "The teams within each league all go back to 0 but they don't combine every single league together" shows you don't understand how leagues or divisions or districts or anything like that works

    You are just trolling coach
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Posts: 1,864 ★★★★★

    So why does this happen in BGS. It’s like saying a pro football player and a middle schooler have the same experience because they’ve never played this season. I wish there was some permanence to the rank you achieve and can only go back down by losing. Then change “games won” objectives with “games played” so people are not incentivized to throw.

    In Pro football (and really in every sport I can think of including college sprts), every season begins with everyone at the same "rank", with the same record of zero wins and zero losses.
    This is a good example that op fails to acknowledge
    It really isn't.

    The teams within each league all go back to 0 but they don't combine every single league together. If BGs were only for Paragons then you would have a point.
    Man you really don't know how sports work. Shows why you don't grasp that your concept is wrong.
    But go ahead and disagree
    Lol, great argument. Please explain to me, a career coach at the college and high school level as well as an event organizer for World Cup Olympic sports, how 'sports work'. Thanks!
    You still haven't explained what these "major differences" you said yesterday.

    You are just trolling
    What are you talking about? There has been no mention of "major differences" in this thread by me or anyone else. Maybe you're the one who needs to explain as you seem to be very confused.
  • legalactionlegalaction Posts: 182 ★★

  • legalactionlegalaction Posts: 182 ★★
    We'll just have to agree to disagree

    Have a good day coach
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Posts: 1,864 ★★★★★

    We'll just have to agree to disagree

    Have a good day coach

    lol, looks like someone just saw my correction that I meant "range" not "difference". Gotts read it all before arguing.
  • StatureStature Posts: 417 ★★★

    TyEdge said:

    NearJr said:

    In the NBA, when the season starts, everyone has the exact same chance to get into the playoffs. The reigning champs do not get a free playoff spot. You earn what you get.

    Do high school teams get put in the NBA at the start of each season?
    Here's the thing, you cannot compare 2 different levels that are competing for different prizes.
    Does a cavalier have different prizes than a paragon in BG? No.

    So when the progression/rank resets at the START of every season, it is to give everyone the same footing. Competitions usually start with teams at zero points. F1?? EPL?? FIFA?? NBA?? BG??
    It’s amazing how much wrong you crammed into one post. 1) they’re literally not competing for the same prizes. I know that because I can look at the store on my paragon, TB and Cav accounts and see that I get vastly different purchasing options with my trophies.

    The EPL? Yeah, the table starts at zero each year, but how’d those teams get there? Well, 17 (or whatever number) played well enough last season to earn a spot. 3 didn’t, and they got replaced by others from a different league who achieved at top of their competition.

    And none of this can be compared to American sports. American sports leagues exist as a closed system with no relegation or promotion. The goal of each team is a championship. The goal of each ownership group is usually profit. The goal of the league is to maximize profit while maintaining a semblance of competitive equity. That’s why the worst teams get the best draft picks. Hey…maybe Kabam can give all the uncollected players a 6r4 Galan to level the playing field!
    This awful argument has been debunked many times. Your store is tailored to progress you the same amount as higher players and everyone earns the same rewards.
    The store is the only place you can get the rewards - the trophies are meaningless without the store. If store prices (and items) are different for different progression levels, then the rewards are different. There is nothing to debunk here, these are just differing opinions based on what you consider as rewards.

    Just in your example. Either high school teams play in the NBA or not. But if they play in the NBA they get the same rewards that the top NBA teams get. If they play in a high school competition, they get the rewards of a high school competition. You don't ask high school teams to play against NBA teams and then give out NBA championship as the prize if the NBA team wins and high school championship if the high school team wins.

    If everyone plays everyone, then everyone should have access to the same store. That isn't a hard concept to understand.
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Posts: 1,864 ★★★★★
    Stature said:

    TyEdge said:

    NearJr said:

    In the NBA, when the season starts, everyone has the exact same chance to get into the playoffs. The reigning champs do not get a free playoff spot. You earn what you get.

    Do high school teams get put in the NBA at the start of each season?
    Here's the thing, you cannot compare 2 different levels that are competing for different prizes.
    Does a cavalier have different prizes than a paragon in BG? No.

    So when the progression/rank resets at the START of every season, it is to give everyone the same footing. Competitions usually start with teams at zero points. F1?? EPL?? FIFA?? NBA?? BG??
    It’s amazing how much wrong you crammed into one post. 1) they’re literally not competing for the same prizes. I know that because I can look at the store on my paragon, TB and Cav accounts and see that I get vastly different purchasing options with my trophies.

    The EPL? Yeah, the table starts at zero each year, but how’d those teams get there? Well, 17 (or whatever number) played well enough last season to earn a spot. 3 didn’t, and they got replaced by others from a different league who achieved at top of their competition.

    And none of this can be compared to American sports. American sports leagues exist as a closed system with no relegation or promotion. The goal of each team is a championship. The goal of each ownership group is usually profit. The goal of the league is to maximize profit while maintaining a semblance of competitive equity. That’s why the worst teams get the best draft picks. Hey…maybe Kabam can give all the uncollected players a 6r4 Galan to level the playing field!
    This awful argument has been debunked many times. Your store is tailored to progress you the same amount as higher players and everyone earns the same rewards.
    The store is the only place you can get the rewards - the trophies are meaningless without the store. If store prices (and items) are different for different progression levels, then the rewards are different. There is nothing to debunk here, these are just differing opinions based on what you consider as rewards.

    Just in your example. Either high school teams play in the NBA or not. But if they play in the NBA they get the same rewards that the top NBA teams get. If they play in a high school competition, they get the rewards of a high school competition. You don't ask high school teams to play against NBA teams and then give out NBA championship as the prize if the NBA team wins and high school championship if the high school team wins.

    If everyone plays everyone, then everyone should have access to the same store. That isn't a hard concept to understand.
    The prices don't have anything to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards.

    Not everyone plays everyone, so I don't get your last line.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,111 ★★★★★
    Actually, it does. The value of the payout changes. However, we've been over this.
    With R5s in the game now, I'd love to know what justification someone has for pitting that against someone UC, for example. The Rewards don't cut it.
  • StatureStature Posts: 417 ★★★

    Stature said:

    TyEdge said:

    NearJr said:

    In the NBA, when the season starts, everyone has the exact same chance to get into the playoffs. The reigning champs do not get a free playoff spot. You earn what you get.

    Do high school teams get put in the NBA at the start of each season?
    Here's the thing, you cannot compare 2 different levels that are competing for different prizes.
    Does a cavalier have different prizes than a paragon in BG? No.

    So when the progression/rank resets at the START of every season, it is to give everyone the same footing. Competitions usually start with teams at zero points. F1?? EPL?? FIFA?? NBA?? BG??
    It’s amazing how much wrong you crammed into one post. 1) they’re literally not competing for the same prizes. I know that because I can look at the store on my paragon, TB and Cav accounts and see that I get vastly different purchasing options with my trophies.

    The EPL? Yeah, the table starts at zero each year, but how’d those teams get there? Well, 17 (or whatever number) played well enough last season to earn a spot. 3 didn’t, and they got replaced by others from a different league who achieved at top of their competition.

    And none of this can be compared to American sports. American sports leagues exist as a closed system with no relegation or promotion. The goal of each team is a championship. The goal of each ownership group is usually profit. The goal of the league is to maximize profit while maintaining a semblance of competitive equity. That’s why the worst teams get the best draft picks. Hey…maybe Kabam can give all the uncollected players a 6r4 Galan to level the playing field!
    This awful argument has been debunked many times. Your store is tailored to progress you the same amount as higher players and everyone earns the same rewards.
    The store is the only place you can get the rewards - the trophies are meaningless without the store. If store prices (and items) are different for different progression levels, then the rewards are different. There is nothing to debunk here, these are just differing opinions based on what you consider as rewards.

    Just in your example. Either high school teams play in the NBA or not. But if they play in the NBA they get the same rewards that the top NBA teams get. If they play in a high school competition, they get the rewards of a high school competition. You don't ask high school teams to play against NBA teams and then give out NBA championship as the prize if the NBA team wins and high school championship if the high school team wins.

    If everyone plays everyone, then everyone should have access to the same store. That isn't a hard concept to understand.
    The prices don't have anything to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards.

    Not everyone plays everyone, so I don't get your last line.
    Everyone doesn't play everyone because everyone doesn't get the same rewards.

    Prices are what determine what rewards you get. You can't open crystals or rank up champions or do anything else in the game with trophies. You have to buy stuff with the trophies. Basketballs or shoes or gym memberships or any other thing that helps you get better at basketball, don't cost different based on if you play for a NBA team or a high school team.
  • rockykostonrockykoston Posts: 1,505 ★★★★

    So why does this happen in BGS. It’s like saying a pro football player and a middle schooler have the same experience because they’ve never played this season. I wish there was some permanence to the rank you achieve and can only go back down by losing. Then change “games won” objectives with “games played” so people are not incentivized to throw.

    In Pro football (and really in every sport I can think of including college sprts), every season begins with everyone at the same "rank", with the same record of zero wins and zero losses.
    This is a good example that op fails to acknowledge
    It really isn't.

    The teams within each league all go back to 0 but they don't combine every single league together. If BGs were only for Paragons then you would have a point.
    Man you really don't know how sports work. Shows why you don't grasp that your concept is wrong.
    But go ahead and disagree
    Lol, great argument. Please explain to me, a career coach at the college and high school level as well as an event organizer for World Cup Olympic sports, how 'sports work'. Thanks!
    Ok haha.

    I was going to agree with you somewhat before this, but once someone starts throwing titles around I know they are done with their POV. You lost credibility there.
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Posts: 1,864 ★★★★★
    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    TyEdge said:

    NearJr said:

    In the NBA, when the season starts, everyone has the exact same chance to get into the playoffs. The reigning champs do not get a free playoff spot. You earn what you get.

    Do high school teams get put in the NBA at the start of each season?
    Here's the thing, you cannot compare 2 different levels that are competing for different prizes.
    Does a cavalier have different prizes than a paragon in BG? No.

    So when the progression/rank resets at the START of every season, it is to give everyone the same footing. Competitions usually start with teams at zero points. F1?? EPL?? FIFA?? NBA?? BG??
    It’s amazing how much wrong you crammed into one post. 1) they’re literally not competing for the same prizes. I know that because I can look at the store on my paragon, TB and Cav accounts and see that I get vastly different purchasing options with my trophies.

    The EPL? Yeah, the table starts at zero each year, but how’d those teams get there? Well, 17 (or whatever number) played well enough last season to earn a spot. 3 didn’t, and they got replaced by others from a different league who achieved at top of their competition.

    And none of this can be compared to American sports. American sports leagues exist as a closed system with no relegation or promotion. The goal of each team is a championship. The goal of each ownership group is usually profit. The goal of the league is to maximize profit while maintaining a semblance of competitive equity. That’s why the worst teams get the best draft picks. Hey…maybe Kabam can give all the uncollected players a 6r4 Galan to level the playing field!
    This awful argument has been debunked many times. Your store is tailored to progress you the same amount as higher players and everyone earns the same rewards.
    The store is the only place you can get the rewards - the trophies are meaningless without the store. If store prices (and items) are different for different progression levels, then the rewards are different. There is nothing to debunk here, these are just differing opinions based on what you consider as rewards.

    Just in your example. Either high school teams play in the NBA or not. But if they play in the NBA they get the same rewards that the top NBA teams get. If they play in a high school competition, they get the rewards of a high school competition. You don't ask high school teams to play against NBA teams and then give out NBA championship as the prize if the NBA team wins and high school championship if the high school team wins.

    If everyone plays everyone, then everyone should have access to the same store. That isn't a hard concept to understand.
    The prices don't have anything to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards.

    Not everyone plays everyone, so I don't get your last line.
    Everyone doesn't play everyone because everyone doesn't get the same rewards.

    Prices are what determine what rewards you get. You can't open crystals or rank up champions or do anything else in the game with trophies. You have to buy stuff with the trophies. Basketballs or shoes or gym memberships or any other thing that helps you get better at basketball, don't cost different based on if you play for a NBA team or a high school team.
    You don't have to buy stuff in the store before raising your title. Waiting for something to go on sale doesn't increase or decrease how much money you make.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,111 ★★★★★
    You don't have to spend all your Glory before going up either. No different.
  • rockykostonrockykoston Posts: 1,505 ★★★★

    Actually, it does. The value of the payout changes. However, we've been over this.
    With R5s in the game now, I'd love to know what justification someone has for pitting that against someone UC, for example. The Rewards don't cut it.

    Again, so if that someone saves their shards and opens them once they are TB or Paragon, haven't they earned the same rewards?

    I am AGAINST pitting UC against Paragon, that is absurd. I know even though I am paragon I wouldn't want to be pitted against someone with 16k prestige, I have lost many matches like that, it is unfair irrespective of the skill.

    People don't become Paragon without a certain degree of skill.

    Which is why I am saying, no matter what solution kabam comes up with, there will be complaints.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,111 ★★★★★

    Actually, it does. The value of the payout changes. However, we've been over this.
    With R5s in the game now, I'd love to know what justification someone has for pitting that against someone UC, for example. The Rewards don't cut it.

    Again, so if that someone saves their shards and opens them once they are TB or Paragon, haven't they earned the same rewards?

    I am AGAINST pitting UC against Paragon, that is absurd. I know even though I am paragon I wouldn't want to be pitted against someone with 16k prestige, I have lost many matches like that, it is unfair irrespective of the skill.

    People don't become Paragon without a certain degree of skill.

    Which is why I am saying, no matter what solution kabam comes up with, there will be complaints.
    That argument makes the point moot. If they become Paragon, it's no longer a complaint about lower Players.
    There's a difference between wanting a competition to be fair for all, and wanting to keep new competition from coming up the ranks.
    You can't look at it from what they can do when they get to TB or Para because that's not the issue.
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Posts: 583 ★★★
    Progress should reset or close to it. I’ve seen some suggestions that you only drop two tiers or something like that.(gold to bronze as an example) Seems like an ok plan. Worth a try. Prevents new cav players from queing and getting Lagacy as their first matchup.

    But I also think victory track should be slightly shorter and also NOT roster ranked. Like bronze I means bronze I and anyone in bronze I will fight each other. Victory Track should be like the regular season in sports, good teams can destroy bad teams to get themselves into the playoffs, But when the playoffs come only the decent teams are even still around. Thats the gladiators circuit.
  • StatureStature Posts: 417 ★★★

    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    TyEdge said:

    NearJr said:

    In the NBA, when the season starts, everyone has the exact same chance to get into the playoffs. The reigning champs do not get a free playoff spot. You earn what you get.

    Do high school teams get put in the NBA at the start of each season?
    Here's the thing, you cannot compare 2 different levels that are competing for different prizes.
    Does a cavalier have different prizes than a paragon in BG? No.

    So when the progression/rank resets at the START of every season, it is to give everyone the same footing. Competitions usually start with teams at zero points. F1?? EPL?? FIFA?? NBA?? BG??
    It’s amazing how much wrong you crammed into one post. 1) they’re literally not competing for the same prizes. I know that because I can look at the store on my paragon, TB and Cav accounts and see that I get vastly different purchasing options with my trophies.

    The EPL? Yeah, the table starts at zero each year, but how’d those teams get there? Well, 17 (or whatever number) played well enough last season to earn a spot. 3 didn’t, and they got replaced by others from a different league who achieved at top of their competition.

    And none of this can be compared to American sports. American sports leagues exist as a closed system with no relegation or promotion. The goal of each team is a championship. The goal of each ownership group is usually profit. The goal of the league is to maximize profit while maintaining a semblance of competitive equity. That’s why the worst teams get the best draft picks. Hey…maybe Kabam can give all the uncollected players a 6r4 Galan to level the playing field!
    This awful argument has been debunked many times. Your store is tailored to progress you the same amount as higher players and everyone earns the same rewards.
    The store is the only place you can get the rewards - the trophies are meaningless without the store. If store prices (and items) are different for different progression levels, then the rewards are different. There is nothing to debunk here, these are just differing opinions based on what you consider as rewards.

    Just in your example. Either high school teams play in the NBA or not. But if they play in the NBA they get the same rewards that the top NBA teams get. If they play in a high school competition, they get the rewards of a high school competition. You don't ask high school teams to play against NBA teams and then give out NBA championship as the prize if the NBA team wins and high school championship if the high school team wins.

    If everyone plays everyone, then everyone should have access to the same store. That isn't a hard concept to understand.
    The prices don't have anything to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards.

    Not everyone plays everyone, so I don't get your last line.
    Everyone doesn't play everyone because everyone doesn't get the same rewards.

    Prices are what determine what rewards you get. You can't open crystals or rank up champions or do anything else in the game with trophies. You have to buy stuff with the trophies. Basketballs or shoes or gym memberships or any other thing that helps you get better at basketball, don't cost different based on if you play for a NBA team or a high school team.
    You don't have to buy stuff in the store before raising your title. Waiting for something to go on sale doesn't increase or decrease how much money you make.
    You're complaining about low progression players with weak rosters moving up in BG. Only way they can keep doing that is by not upgrading their rosters. Every season they spend doing so, they are giving up on most of the rewards in the other modes (EQ/SQ is progression gated, they are obviously not progressing in the story). So, its a trade-off.

    Then you expect them to not use the only source of rewards they have (trophies) and make a push for the highest available titles (top two specifically need champs to be ranked up). If you think they can beat GM and Act 7 with a team of 5r4s then they are extremely skilled at the game and I feel like they deserve all the rewards they can get.

    If you are complaining about UC or Cav player who already have a bunch of r3 and r4s - they are anyway getting matched with the best teams. Matching is roster based not title based. So those guys are playing the strongest players and still getting lesser rewards than you are.

    Logically, it doesn't make any sense to camp in lower titles with a weak team just to hoard BG trophies. Spending them at lower levels is sub-optimal.

    What are you upset about.
  • legalactionlegalaction Posts: 182 ★★

    We'll just have to agree to disagree

    Have a good day coach

    lol, looks like someone just saw my correction that I meant "range" not "difference". Gotts read it all before arguing.
    Lol, looks like you think you replied to me about range or difference.

    You are trolling pretty wel,, I'll give you that.
  • legalactionlegalaction Posts: 182 ★★

    We'll just have to agree to disagree

    Have a good day coach

    lol, looks like someone just saw my correction that I meant "range" not "difference". Gotts read it all before arguing.
    Your take on range and difference is weird too as the definition of range can mean the difference between two things or variation of something.

    You have created a pretty big trolling thread
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Posts: 1,864 ★★★★★
    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    Stature said:

    TyEdge said:

    NearJr said:

    In the NBA, when the season starts, everyone has the exact same chance to get into the playoffs. The reigning champs do not get a free playoff spot. You earn what you get.

    Do high school teams get put in the NBA at the start of each season?
    Here's the thing, you cannot compare 2 different levels that are competing for different prizes.
    Does a cavalier have different prizes than a paragon in BG? No.

    So when the progression/rank resets at the START of every season, it is to give everyone the same footing. Competitions usually start with teams at zero points. F1?? EPL?? FIFA?? NBA?? BG??
    It’s amazing how much wrong you crammed into one post. 1) they’re literally not competing for the same prizes. I know that because I can look at the store on my paragon, TB and Cav accounts and see that I get vastly different purchasing options with my trophies.

    The EPL? Yeah, the table starts at zero each year, but how’d those teams get there? Well, 17 (or whatever number) played well enough last season to earn a spot. 3 didn’t, and they got replaced by others from a different league who achieved at top of their competition.

    And none of this can be compared to American sports. American sports leagues exist as a closed system with no relegation or promotion. The goal of each team is a championship. The goal of each ownership group is usually profit. The goal of the league is to maximize profit while maintaining a semblance of competitive equity. That’s why the worst teams get the best draft picks. Hey…maybe Kabam can give all the uncollected players a 6r4 Galan to level the playing field!
    This awful argument has been debunked many times. Your store is tailored to progress you the same amount as higher players and everyone earns the same rewards.
    The store is the only place you can get the rewards - the trophies are meaningless without the store. If store prices (and items) are different for different progression levels, then the rewards are different. There is nothing to debunk here, these are just differing opinions based on what you consider as rewards.

    Just in your example. Either high school teams play in the NBA or not. But if they play in the NBA they get the same rewards that the top NBA teams get. If they play in a high school competition, they get the rewards of a high school competition. You don't ask high school teams to play against NBA teams and then give out NBA championship as the prize if the NBA team wins and high school championship if the high school team wins.

    If everyone plays everyone, then everyone should have access to the same store. That isn't a hard concept to understand.
    The prices don't have anything to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards.

    Not everyone plays everyone, so I don't get your last line.
    Everyone doesn't play everyone because everyone doesn't get the same rewards.

    Prices are what determine what rewards you get. You can't open crystals or rank up champions or do anything else in the game with trophies. You have to buy stuff with the trophies. Basketballs or shoes or gym memberships or any other thing that helps you get better at basketball, don't cost different based on if you play for a NBA team or a high school team.
    You don't have to buy stuff in the store before raising your title. Waiting for something to go on sale doesn't increase or decrease how much money you make.
    You're complaining about low progression players with weak rosters moving up in BG. Only way they can keep doing that is by not upgrading their rosters. Every season they spend doing so, they are giving up on most of the rewards in the other modes (EQ/SQ is progression gated, they are obviously not progressing in the story). So, its a trade-off.

    Then you expect them to not use the only source of rewards they have (trophies) and make a push for the highest available titles (top two specifically need champs to be ranked up). If you think they can beat GM and Act 7 with a team of 5r4s then they are extremely skilled at the game and I feel like they deserve all the rewards they can get.

    If you are complaining about UC or Cav player who already have a bunch of r3 and r4s - they are anyway getting matched with the best teams. Matching is roster based not title based. So those guys are playing the strongest players and still getting lesser rewards than you are.

    Logically, it doesn't make any sense to camp in lower titles with a weak team just to hoard BG trophies. Spending them at lower levels is sub-optimal.

    What are you upset about.
    You do realize that most people got Paragon w/o the benefits from BGs, right? It's not that hard to jump a title or two now. Hell, Seatin got TB in 2 months on a f2p account.

    Either way, everyone earns the same rewards. That is a fact. What they choose to spend them on and when to spent them is up to them.
  • Ironman3000Ironman3000 Posts: 1,864 ★★★★★

    We'll just have to agree to disagree

    Have a good day coach

    lol, looks like someone just saw my correction that I meant "range" not "difference". Gotts read it all before arguing.
    Your take on range and difference is weird too as the definition of range can mean the difference between two things or variation of something.

    You have created a pretty big trolling thread
    You seem very confused. Is it that hard to understand that there is a huge ***RANGE*** of ideas between starting everyone from 0 and giving everyone free Gamma rewards w/o having to play?

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