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GuytennisGuytennis Member Posts: 420 ★★★
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Here’s VP getting power drained figtinga tech. Even though he can’t be power drained while fighting a tech.

Do the makers of this game pay attention to anything?




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  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Member Posts: 7,470 ★★★★★
    Guytennis said:



    Do the makers of this game pay attention to anything?

    Yes, obviously.

  • legalactionlegalaction Member Posts: 182 ★★
    Guytennis said:

    Captainaiden said:

    That power drain come from node, not from red skull.

    It also same as hyperion, he got power gain buff but cannot gain power, the node prevent it

    He’s immune to power drain while fight techs. He’s not immune to a tech’s power drain. Irrespective of the node, he’s immune to power drain fighting techs.
    That is true, the game has been doing a lot of stuff it shouldn't lately like classic black widow ignoring arc angels neurotoxin stun
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,677 Guardian
    Guytennis said:

    Captainaiden said:

    That power drain come from node, not from red skull.

    It also same as hyperion, he got power gain buff but cannot gain power, the node prevent it

    He’s immune to power drain while fight techs. He’s not immune to a tech’s power drain. Irrespective of the node, he’s immune to power drain fighting techs.
    VP is immune to power drain effects. He isn't literally immune to having his power lowered, or using specials would not consume power. We still expect VP's power to go down when he uses specials even though he's immune to "power drain" because he isn't immune to all things that could lower his power. The node doesn't power drain him. It simply removes his power, but there's no effect to be immune to.

    There are other effects like this. The indestructible effect prevents a champ from taking any damage, but there are still things that can kill an indestructible champ because some game mechanics do not deliver damage that indestructible can prevent: they just simply set your health to zero and then you die. There are nodes that don't work by throwing effects around: they just do things by Word of God mechanics. Power Struggle is a word of god mechanic.

    It is important to remember that the way MCOC works is by the names of things, not by the idea of things. If something is stated to be immune to power drain, that means it is literally immune to all effects explicitly called Power Drain. It is not necessarily immune to other effects you call "power drain." Other effects that lower power that are not called power drain are not affected by immunity to power drain.

    That's not just for power drain, and that's not some game inconsistency. That's how it always works, and how it always has worked. That's how the game engine was designed to function. "Immune to X" means "check the label, look for X." If it isn't labeled X, there is no effect regardless of what it does.
  • GuytennisGuytennis Member Posts: 420 ★★★
    I’m not sure who all the kabam simps bend themselves into a pretzel defending total nonsense. It says power drain on this image.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,780 Guardian
    Guytennis said:

    I’m not sure who all the kabam simps bend themselves into a pretzel defending total nonsense. It says power drain on this image.

    Haven't you learned yet that you can't take the call outs at face value? Why would kabam create another callout for the game for power struggle specifically (which could confuse people because why the heck is the phone saying power struggle) when they could just use the power drain callout. Just because it says power drain doesn't mean it is a power drain. DNA gave a great writeup of why it works the way it works. The facts are laid before you, either choose to accept them, or continue to name-call others who are trying to explain to you why it works the way it does.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,062 ★★★★★
    Guytennis said:

    I’m not sure who all the kabam simps bend themselves into a pretzel defending total nonsense. It says power drain on this image.

    It still doesn't change the fact that he's immune to those effects from tech champions, not from the nodes themselves.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,130 ★★★★★
    Remove the callout, problem solved.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,575 ★★★★★
    Well this went south fast.
  • Wally_WooferWally_Woofer Member Posts: 193 ★
    Demonzfyre said:

    Guytennis said:

    I’m not sure who all the kabam simps bend themselves into a pretzel defending total nonsense. It says power drain on this image.

    It still doesn't change the fact that he's immune to those effects from tech champions, not from the nodes themselves.
    That's an interesting perspective. I've had colossus receive no armor break from the node, until a tech was placed on it. I don't agree that VP would be immune to this node though.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,677 Guardian
    Guytennis said:

    I’m not sure who all the kabam simps bend themselves into a pretzel defending total nonsense. It says power drain on this image.

    So the moment they change the call out your objection would disappear.
  • CaptainaidenCaptainaiden Member Posts: 1,083 ★★★★
    Even galan had power dr
    Guytennis said:

    I’m not sure who all the kabam simps bend themselves into a pretzel defending total nonsense. It says power drain on this image.

    This prove that you are ego and too stubborn to accept what people on this post trying to explain it to you, and you continue to rant and blaming others. It not like it hamper your gameplay and it seems you can continue with the game but you still arguing and blaming.


    "Sometimes you just have to close your eyes and be thankful for everything.


    The world becomes a better place when people get busy doing what they love instead of complaining about what they hate.
  • Noob_Master69Noob_Master69 Member Posts: 699 ★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Guytennis said:

    I’m not sure who all the kabam simps bend themselves into a pretzel defending total nonsense. It says power drain on this image.

    So the moment they change the call out your objection would disappear.
    I know this question isn't aimed at me, and I understand how the node funtions and such.

    Yes, that would personally solve this issue and many other issues for me personally. If the text written in game was consistent with how the game works or got the message across more clearly that would be great. No more guesswork or having to just KNOW why or how something works.
    I totally get where the original post is coming from(not the messages after that mind you)

    And I might be mistaken but I think I remember from past interactions that something like petrify that reduces the amount of power you get from a power gain effect IS effected by the power gain from this node, so why should it not work the other way around with the power reduction, where you can be immune to it?
    I hope someone else can confirm this seeing as I don't know of a way to get proof right now. I may very well be missremembering this or thinking of another node and in that case I'll fully accept that ofcourse!
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,677 Guardian
    Maratox said:

    Demonzfyre said:

    Guytennis said:

    I’m not sure who all the kabam simps bend themselves into a pretzel defending total nonsense. It says power drain on this image.

    It still doesn't change the fact that he's immune to those effects from tech champions, not from the nodes themselves.
    This is incredibly incorrect. Even the wording of illogical DNA only says “when fighting tech champions.” Doesn’t matter where the power drain is coming from. If it occurs while he’s fighting a tech champion he’ll be immune to it.
    I would agree. My interpretation of the mechanics as described would prevent the champ from being power drained by a node, if the node was applying an actual explicit power drain effect upon it. If the champ was power drained by an explicit power drain effect while fighting a tech class defender I would consider that to be either a bug in the implementation or an error in the description.

    As an aside, I have always wondered if the champion designer was punking me here.
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,130 ★★★★★
    A lot would be solved if "we" knew the order of operation for abilities and nodes and singular descriptions weren't used for multiple forms of effect.

    Is the node the primary activity that over rides a champs ability? yeah, until it's not because AAR can affect it, until it doesn't

    Is this champ resistant to degen? Sure, except when it's Degen.

    Is this passive damage? yeah but nah.

    Some things seem like "oh yeah, that's totally meant to happen because of obscure reason X" anytime some weird interaction occurs.



  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 4,130 ★★★★★
    The "physics" of the battlerealm seems like a Bill that would've been great for everyone except politicians got involved somewhere between the original good intentions and becoming law.
  • GuytennisGuytennis Member Posts: 420 ★★★
    GinjabredMonsta said:

    Guytennis said:

    I’m not sure who all the kabam simps bend themselves into a pretzel defending total nonsense. It says power drain on this image.

    Dude it’s not our fault you can’t understand the explanation that’s been provided to you multiple times in this thread
    Or are you willing to believe anything?
  • leviddletonleviddleton Member Posts: 99 ★★
    If the wording was changed from “when fighting tech champions” to “immunities from tech champion abilities”, or some such wordsmithing, I think that’d clear it up if this is how it’s intended.
  • GinjabredMonstaGinjabredMonsta Member, Guardian Posts: 6,482 Guardian
    Guytennis said:

    GinjabredMonsta said:

    Guytennis said:

    I’m not sure who all the kabam simps bend themselves into a pretzel defending total nonsense. It says power drain on this image.

    Dude it’s not our fault you can’t understand the explanation that’s been provided to you multiple times in this thread
    Or are you willing to believe anything?
    I’m not going to continue this because honestly, it’s a lost cause at this point. Just know you’re wrong and it’s been explained why multiple times.
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