He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
Obviously you and OP only want to hate on the champion. The point is that you're making him out to be way worse than he is. C tier? Not even close, he's way better than that. If you don't want to use the champion then don't use him. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Adaptability is a big component of the game. The inability to play around specific nodes or champion abilities with IDoom when it is completely feasible to do so is just a skill issue on your end.
Do we even need Idoom if it's only about skill, I mean with skill issue, characters don't even need buffs which people are asking or not using. I mean if you are that skilled then it doesn't even matter what champ you play. Because I am sure you are clearing all content with even groot.
And now you are twisting my words. I never said I was extremely skilled. I only said that you lack the skills necessary to play around certain nodes if you think IDoom is neutered that easily against nullify nodes. For a huge portion of champions in this game, fights with optimal conditions are extremely rare because the AI does not want to cooperate or simply because one of the nodes is stopping you from using the champion's ideal playstyle. It is up to you to play around these nodes. Buffet or Power Snack with IDoom? I take advantage of my dexterity buff and let the node nullify it before the armor up comes back. It is that simple, but you need to be able to incorporate flexibility into your playstyle.
Infamous Ironman is amazing. I have Doom and him as 6* rank 4. Doom is better but Infamous is an absolutly top tier champion would rank him up again 10/10.
If you think he is mediocre, you probably have a wrong playstyle.
Edit: just read through your post again, I think you don't have the slightest idea how to play him right... Go on youtube and look at Swedeah L's rank 5 Video, he is one of the only people to play gim the right way. It makes a huge difference how you time the heavy stun and sp3...
Infamous Ironman is amazing. I have Doom and him as 6* rank 4. Doom is better but Infamous is an absolutly top tier champion would rank him up again 10/10.
If you think he is mediocre, you probably have a wrong playstyle.
Edit: just read through your post again, I think you don't have the slightest idea how to play him right... Go on youtube and look at Swedeah L's rank 5 Video, he is one of the only people to play gim the right way. It makes a huge difference how you time the heavy stun and sp3...
OP has been told multiple times it might just be a skill issue. Apparently he’s the average and anyone that knows how to play around certain mechanics/nodes is just in the upper echelon of skill and that’s not what Kabam should be balancing around. I don’t think this is worth arguing anymore.
Infamous Ironman is amazing. I have Doom and him as 6* rank 4. Doom is better but Infamous is an absolutly top tier champion would rank him up again 10/10.
If you think he is mediocre, you probably have a wrong playstyle.
Edit: just read through your post again, I think you don't have the slightest idea how to play him right... Go on youtube and look at Swedeah L's rank 5 Video, he is one of the only people to play gim the right way. It makes a huge difference how you time the heavy stun and sp3...
OP has been told multiple times it might just be a skill issue. Apparently he’s the average and anyone that knows how to play around certain mechanics/nodes is just in the upper echelon of skill and that’s not what Kabam should be balancing around. I don’t think this is worth arguing anymore.
Are you a forum Moderator? Otherwise your post seems to be completely useless
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
Obviously you and OP only want to hate on the champion. The point is that you're making him out to be way worse than he is. C tier? Not even close, he's way better than that. If you don't want to use the champion then don't use him. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Adaptability is a big component of the game. The inability to play around specific nodes or champion abilities with IDoom when it is completely feasible to do so is just a skill issue on your end.
Do we even need Idoom if it's only about skill, I mean with skill issue, characters don't even need buffs which people are asking or not using. I mean if you are that skilled then it doesn't even matter what champ you play. Because I am sure you are clearing all content with even groot.
And now you are twisting my words. I never said I was extremely skilled. I only said that you lack the skills necessary to play around certain nodes if you think IDoom is neutered that easily against nullify nodes. For a huge portion of champions in this game, fights with optimal conditions are extremely rare because the AI does not want to cooperate or simply because one of the nodes is stopping you from using the champion's ideal playstyle. It is up to you to play around these nodes. Buffet or Power Snack with IDoom? I take advantage of my dexterity buff and let the node nullify it before the armor up comes back. It is that simple, but you need to be able to incorporate flexibility into your playstyle.
You assume it's the timer buff removal, well not the case, it doesn't allow any buff on attacker. Pretty common node. I never even mentioned buffet or power Snack nodes.
When you just want to prove your point. You didn't even saw what I mentioned as nodes.
What you are not ready to accept is that IDoom is put in pretty bad spot too often compare to all other characters. And he will suffer once the meta changes and when his specific targets are not used in war because if his niche advantage. They didn't even allow him to counter all prowess buff champions. Even limited him there. Then you had Mag you need to worry about as well, pretty common champion.
All in all not a reliable tech champion. Someone said top 5 tech 😂
Infamous Ironman is amazing. I have Doom and him as 6* rank 4. Doom is better but Infamous is an absolutly top tier champion would rank him up again 10/10.
If you think he is mediocre, you probably have a wrong playstyle.
Edit: just read through your post again, I think you don't have the slightest idea how to play him right... Go on youtube and look at Swedeah L's rank 5 Video, he is one of the only people to play gim the right way. It makes a huge difference how you time the heavy stun and sp3...
Yes in favorable matchups. But too many unfavorable matchups he has to deal with. I mean I can think on top of my head another champ who gets countered by 2 classes, cosmic and mystic in his case.
Why limit his usage against prowess(2-3) champions who gain 2 or more prowess at a time.
Been using him for a month now, just saying my experience.
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
Obviously you and OP only want to hate on the champion. The point is that you're making him out to be way worse than he is. C tier? Not even close, he's way better than that. If you don't want to use the champion then don't use him. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Adaptability is a big component of the game. The inability to play around specific nodes or champion abilities with IDoom when it is completely feasible to do so is just a skill issue on your end.
Do we even need Idoom if it's only about skill, I mean with skill issue, characters don't even need buffs which people are asking or not using. I mean if you are that skilled then it doesn't even matter what champ you play. Because I am sure you are clearing all content with even groot.
And now you are twisting my words. I never said I was extremely skilled. I only said that you lack the skills necessary to play around certain nodes if you think IDoom is neutered that easily against nullify nodes. For a huge portion of champions in this game, fights with optimal conditions are extremely rare because the AI does not want to cooperate or simply because one of the nodes is stopping you from using the champion's ideal playstyle. It is up to you to play around these nodes. Buffet or Power Snack with IDoom? I take advantage of my dexterity buff and let the node nullify it before the armor up comes back. It is that simple, but you need to be able to incorporate flexibility into your playstyle.
You assume it's the timer buff removal, well not the case, it doesn't allow any buff on attacker. Pretty common node. I never even mentioned buffet or power Snack nodes.
When you just want to prove your point. You didn't even saw what I mentioned as nodes.
What you are not ready to accept is that IDoom is put in pretty bad spot too often compare to all other characters. And he will suffer once the meta changes and when his specific targets are not used in war because if his niche advantage. They didn't even allow him to counter all prowess buff champions. Even limited him there. Then you had Mag you need to worry about as well, pretty common champion.
All in all not a reliable tech champion. Someone said top 5 tech 😂
Taken directly from your post: "You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health." These are literally power snack and buffet.
Infamous Ironman is amazing. I have Doom and him as 6* rank 4. Doom is better but Infamous is an absolutly top tier champion would rank him up again 10/10.
If you think he is mediocre, you probably have a wrong playstyle.
Edit: just read through your post again, I think you don't have the slightest idea how to play him right... Go on youtube and look at Swedeah L's rank 5 Video, he is one of the only people to play gim the right way. It makes a huge difference how you time the heavy stun and sp3...
OP has been told multiple times it might just be a skill issue. Apparently he’s the average and anyone that knows how to play around certain mechanics/nodes is just in the upper echelon of skill and that’s not what Kabam should be balancing around. I don’t think this is worth arguing anymore.
Are you a forum Moderator? Otherwise your post seems to be completely useless
How so? OP has been told multiple times by multiple people that at a certain point you just need use some skill with some of these interactions that he complaining about. Their argument, in turn, is that the champion is not good if they're required to play around these things to use the champ effectively. How is that arguable?
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
Obviously you and OP only want to hate on the champion. The point is that you're making him out to be way worse than he is. C tier? Not even close, he's way better than that. If you don't want to use the champion then don't use him. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Adaptability is a big component of the game. The inability to play around specific nodes or champion abilities with IDoom when it is completely feasible to do so is just a skill issue on your end.
Do we even need Idoom if it's only about skill, I mean with skill issue, characters don't even need buffs which people are asking or not using. I mean if you are that skilled then it doesn't even matter what champ you play. Because I am sure you are clearing all content with even groot.
And now you are twisting my words. I never said I was extremely skilled. I only said that you lack the skills necessary to play around certain nodes if you think IDoom is neutered that easily against nullify nodes. For a huge portion of champions in this game, fights with optimal conditions are extremely rare because the AI does not want to cooperate or simply because one of the nodes is stopping you from using the champion's ideal playstyle. It is up to you to play around these nodes. Buffet or Power Snack with IDoom? I take advantage of my dexterity buff and let the node nullify it before the armor up comes back. It is that simple, but you need to be able to incorporate flexibility into your playstyle.
You assume it's the timer buff removal, well not the case, it doesn't allow any buff on attacker. Pretty common node. I never even mentioned buffet or power Snack nodes.
When you just want to prove your point. You didn't even saw what I mentioned as nodes.
What you are not ready to accept is that IDoom is put in pretty bad spot too often compare to all other characters. And he will suffer once the meta changes and when his specific targets are not used in war because if his niche advantage. They didn't even allow him to counter all prowess buff champions. Even limited him there. Then you had Mag you need to worry about as well, pretty common champion.
All in all not a reliable tech champion. Someone said top 5 tech 😂
Dude, the nodes you mentioned "nullify a buff on the attacker to heal the defender" and "nullify a buff on the attacker to give power to the defender". Those are literally buffet and Power Snack
If it's Fisticuffs you're referring to, every single champion in the game is affected by this and you just have to wait for the timer. There isn't a single node in this game that stops you from gaining buffs for the entirety of the fight. You're making nodes up. Just admit that you don't have an argument at all.
Second of all, why would you EVER bring a #metal champion against Magneto that is not a direct counter to him??? Just why? Once again, very very weak argument there. I don't know if you're acting this dense on purpose at this point
This champ suffers from a severe case of overhype. He’s not that great against about 50% of mutants. I won’t take his credit for being strong against Bishop, Havok, Apoc, and Kitty away from him, but that’s kind of where it begins and ends.
Do you know what actually makes doom a very powerful attacker ? It's not his damage or resistances. It's his ability to control the entire fight. You choose whether to let the opponent throw a special or not. That's also what makes infamous doom good.
He is way too specialized at what he does that IMO he is not, generally speaking, a top 10 Tech champ. If it wasn't for the "Doom" part of his name and his crazy prestige, noone would bother with him. In the same way that noone bothers with Civil Warrior (random example) who is also amazing at certain matchups but too specialized and nobody cares about him.
And it's not that his damage is bad, because it's acceptable. It's in the utility department that he severally lacks. His power control is situationally good and not always practical, he has no way to deal with regen (no heal block, no reversal, nothing), no way to deal with evade or unstoppable, no way to deal with miss, no way to deal with debuff immunity, nothing. He does ONE thing, and against a certain part of the Mutant Class, while he gets completely destroyed by 2 full other Classes. He feels like a non-complete champ design, in my opinion.
Mine does not get past 6R3 and not a single sig stone is wasted on him (he is already duped).
He is way too specialized at what he does that IMO he is not, generally speaking, a top 10 Tech champ. If it wasn't for the "Doom" part of his name and his crazy prestige, noone would bother with him. In the same way that noone bothers with Civil Warrior (random example) who is also amazing at certain matchups but too specialized and nobody cares about him.
And it's not that his damage is bad, because it's acceptable. It's in the utility department that he severally lacks. His power control is situationally good and not always practical, he has no way to deal with regen (no heal block, no reversal, nothing), no way to deal with evade or unstoppable, no way to deal with miss, no way to deal with debuff immunity, nothing. He does ONE thing, and against a certain part of the Mutant Class, while he gets completely destroyed by 2 full other Classes. He feels like a non-complete champ design, in my opinion.
Mine does not get past 6R3 and not a single sig stone is wasted on him (he is already duped).
Do you think he should get a utility buff, like a heal block?
He is way too specialized at what he does that IMO he is not, generally speaking, a top 10 Tech champ. If it wasn't for the "Doom" part of his name and his crazy prestige, noone would bother with him. In the same way that noone bothers with Civil Warrior (random example) who is also amazing at certain matchups but too specialized and nobody cares about him.
And it's not that his damage is bad, because it's acceptable. It's in the utility department that he severally lacks. His power control is situationally good and not always practical, he has no way to deal with regen (no heal block, no reversal, nothing), no way to deal with evade or unstoppable, no way to deal with miss, no way to deal with debuff immunity, nothing. He does ONE thing, and against a certain part of the Mutant Class, while he gets completely destroyed by 2 full other Classes. He feels like a non-complete champ design, in my opinion.
Mine does not get past 6R3 and not a single sig stone is wasted on him (he is already duped).
Do you think he should get a utility buff, like a heal block?
I believe a heal block should be a perfect addition to his kit.
I love idoom, even considering taking him up as my first r4. It's between elsa, idoom, king groot and herc(if I get cosmic gem from this sq).
Yet I do still have the same two complaints with his kit. 1) This has been brought up before in another thread aswell- most, if not all, of his utility relies on his armor up buff, which is susceptible to nullify, armor breaks, etc. It makes him very vulnerable and sometimes unusable in certain matchups. 2) his sp2 requires the aura to be up. Usually isn't an issue, but sometimes when u get really high on power, u can't really heavy anymore without getting pushed to sp3. Sp3 is great don't get me wrong, but it doesn't power burn/ drain the opponent. Instead it gives them a bar of power and an energize buff. So in some cases it causes more problems for me. And as u mentioned, the aura straight up doesn't work on shock immune champs.
It's like they were so afraid creating doom v2 that they made sure to bottleneck this guy as much as possible.
Take up herc anyways Sooner or later you will awaken him And Herc will be used for abyss (have seen people use him there), Gauntlet, EOP,etc
Honestly speaking I love using my Idoom even if it's for just Mutants He is one of my r3s and the sole purpose I ranked him for was Bishop and Kitty in BGs when I can't use my nimrod He delivers what I want him to so I am satisfied As far as having him as your first r4 is concerned Then no it's not a wise Choice to do that as he is easily outdamaged by many techs and many techs can provide more than he provides as even tho they are not as good as him against his best matchups they can still get the job done and are quite useful in other scenarios like Nimrod is mutant killer but he can also take out CGR if he is your last resort Omega sentinel is great against many non mutant matchups Rocket>Idoom in terms of usability
While I would like many things for iDoom, the 1 main thing for me I wish Kabam would amend is how he can only remove certain Prowesses, which far too specific in my opinion.
Would be great if Kabam could change that to removing all Prowess, that would make him useful in much more matches.
@CyborgNinja135 you can’t remove Nimrods armor up why couldn’t he have a similar ability when his armor is a main part of his kit.
Also if this is the case about classes having an advantage why are they making so many cosmic champs that get around Mystics?
Because exceptions should not become a rule and class relationships should be respected. There are only two cosmic champions that go against typical mystic abilities, and one of them, Galan, is not immune to stagger or neutralize so you still have ways to control his buffs
He should be Armor break immune as he relies heavily on his armor.
By non cosmics only
Full immunity might be a bit too much - it's important for characters to have limitations. How about:
Passive Infamous Iron man's armour is not easily broken. 70% chance to resist Armour Break effects, falling to 20% against Cosmic or Superior opponents.
On the other hand, at least iDoom can eventually recover his armour. War Machine and Kang can't even do that! One break, and they're done.
I said this here or in another thread - it wouldn't be bad if he was not armour break immune if he was nullify immune like omega sentinel, at least for his armour (while she is totally nullify immune). He should have had one or the other in his kit - nullify immunity or pseudo-armour break immunity like nimrod, or at least armour break immune by all except cosmic (like colossus is vs tech). I didn't even remember he cannot handle regen.
The worst part is all his utility goes with the armour, unlike say Omega Sentinel who still heals from bleed or poison with or without armour, and still is nullify immune w/o it. Once iDoom's armour goes so does all his immunities and most of his kit.
Comments
I have Doom and him as 6* rank 4. Doom is better but Infamous is an absolutly top tier champion would rank him up again 10/10.
If you think he is mediocre, you probably have a wrong playstyle.
Edit: just read through your post again, I think you don't have the slightest idea how to play him right...
Go on youtube and look at Swedeah L's rank 5 Video, he is one of the only people to play gim the right way.
It makes a huge difference how you time the heavy stun and sp3...
When you just want to prove your point. You didn't even saw what I mentioned as nodes.
What you are not ready to accept is that IDoom is put in pretty bad spot too often compare to all other characters. And he will suffer once the meta changes and when his specific targets are not used in war because if his niche advantage. They didn't even allow him to counter all prowess buff champions. Even limited him there.
Then you had Mag you need to worry about as well, pretty common champion.
All in all not a reliable tech champion. Someone said top 5 tech 😂
Why limit his usage against prowess(2-3) champions who gain 2 or more prowess at a time.
Been using him for a month now, just saying my experience.
You're just making stuff up at this point.
If it's Fisticuffs you're referring to, every single champion in the game is affected by this and you just have to wait for the timer. There isn't a single node in this game that stops you from gaining buffs for the entirety of the fight. You're making nodes up. Just admit that you don't have an argument at all.
Second of all, why would you EVER bring a #metal champion against Magneto that is not a direct counter to him??? Just why? Once again, very very weak argument there. I don't know if you're acting this dense on purpose at this point
Nimrod, Ghost, O. Sentinal, Guardian, Ultron, Warlock are better.
And it's not that his damage is bad, because it's acceptable. It's in the utility department that he severally lacks. His power control is situationally good and not always practical, he has no way to deal with regen (no heal block, no reversal, nothing), no way to deal with evade or unstoppable, no way to deal with miss, no way to deal with debuff immunity, nothing. He does ONE thing, and against a certain part of the Mutant Class, while he gets completely destroyed by 2 full other Classes. He feels like a non-complete champ design, in my opinion.
Mine does not get past 6R3 and not a single sig stone is wasted on him (he is already duped).
Sooner or later you will awaken him
And Herc will be used for abyss (have seen people use him there), Gauntlet, EOP,etc
I love using my Idoom even if it's for just Mutants
He is one of my r3s and the sole purpose I ranked him for was Bishop and Kitty in BGs when I can't use my nimrod
He delivers what I want him to so I am satisfied
As far as having him as your first r4 is concerned
Then no it's not a wise Choice to do that as he is easily outdamaged by many techs and many techs can provide more than he provides as even tho they are not as good as him against his best matchups they can still get the job done and are quite useful in other scenarios like Nimrod is mutant killer but he can also take out CGR if he is your last resort
Omega sentinel is great against many non mutant matchups
Rocket>Idoom in terms of usability
Would be great if Kabam could change that to removing all Prowess, that would make him useful in much more matches.
Also if this is the case about classes having an advantage why are they making so many cosmic champs that get around Mystics?
How about:
Passive
Infamous Iron man's armour is not easily broken. 70% chance to resist Armour Break effects, falling to 20% against Cosmic or Superior opponents.
On the other hand, at least iDoom can eventually recover his armour. War Machine and Kang can't even do that! One break, and they're done.
The worst part is all his utility goes with the armour, unlike say Omega Sentinel who still heals from bleed or poison with or without armour, and still is nullify immune w/o it. Once iDoom's armour goes so does all his immunities and most of his kit.