Hey, are you really asking us to tell everyone in the alliance to hit 350-400k in BG next season?

rockykoston · June 2023

I'm at a bit of a loss here,, although the gesture is nice that you'll be adding the AW rewards to BGs for this season ONLY. Is it really possible / realistic to ask every member in the alliance to hit 350-400k?

Why don't you pull the reward levels a bit down, instead of creating a situation where alliances might lose players due to this NEW requirement.

Link - https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/338270/alliance-war-season-43-persistent-placement-phase-extended-offseason-temp-bg-reward-bump#latest

HulkbusterN1 · June 2023

That’s only for one season, when AW will be unavailable. There will be nothing really to do in the game, so I think it’s not a problem to do a couple more fights in BGs.

Aomine_Daiki10 · June 2023

I love this idea is better than doing nothing. This is a win as far as am concerned.

Wozzle007 · June 2023

My Alliance take part in AW but pretty much everyone hates BGs. We’ve collectively achieved 600k for the whole season so far. 100% of those play AW is effected by the slowdown in flow of rewards but likelihood a much smaller proportion of AW Players will be able to achieve these rewards. Obviously those at the top of the game won’t have any issues, so it’s nice they will still be catered for.

Although it’s only a week delay so pffft, I’m not that fussed, it just doesn’t feel like a really fair and equitable adjustment for all.

Wozzle007 · June 2023

HulkbusterN1 said:
That’s only for one season, when AW will be unavailable. There will be nothing really to do in the game, so I think it’s not a problem to do a couple more fights in BGs.

For those who stop at 300k of points, I believe it’s 89 wins required using energy or 15 wins using Eldersmarks, assuming every fight is a win. 1350 elders marks are would be needed to get from 300k to 400k, again assuming every fight is a win. Maybe Kabam should supply us all with 1.5k of eldersmarks as well to provide us with the resources we need to earn these rewards.

rockykoston · June 2023

Wozzle007 said:

HulkbusterN1 said:
That’s only for one season, when AW will be unavailable. There will be nothing really to do in the game, so I think it’s not a problem to do a couple more fights in BGs.
For those who stop at 300k of points, I believe it’s 89 wins required using energy or 15 wins using Eldersmarks, assuming every fight is a win. 1350 elders marks are would be needed to get from 300k to 400k, again assuming every fight is a win. Maybe Kabam should supply us all with 1.5k of eldersmarks as well to provide us with the resources we need to earn these rewards.

I think a fair assumption is 50% win rate because that's what the system is based on, more or less.

We're a p4 alliance and I think this replacement is more of an inconvenience for a lot of the members.

rockykoston · June 2023

Wozzle007 said:
My Alliance take part in AW but pretty much everyone hates BGs. We’ve collectively achieved 600k for the whole season so far. 100% of those play AW is effected by the slowdown in flow of rewards but likelihood a much smaller proportion of AW Players will be able to achieve these rewards. Obviously those at the top of the game won’t have any issues, so it’s nice they will still be catered for.

Although it’s only a week delay so pffft, I’m not that fussed, it just doesn’t feel like a really fair and equitable adjustment for all.

That's pretty much how I feel as well.

I'm a very consistent 300-350k player but to ask everyone to do it, is going to be tough.

Wozzle007 · June 2023

rockykoston said:

Wozzle007 said:

HulkbusterN1 said:
That’s only for one season, when AW will be unavailable. There will be nothing really to do in the game, so I think it’s not a problem to do a couple more fights in BGs.
For those who stop at 300k of points, I believe it’s 89 wins required using energy or 15 wins using Eldersmarks, assuming every fight is a win. 1350 elders marks are would be needed to get from 300k to 400k, again assuming every fight is a win. Maybe Kabam should supply us all with 1.5k of eldersmarks as well to provide us with the resources we need to earn these rewards.
I think a fair assumption is 50% win rate because that's what the system is based on, more or less.

We're a p4 alliance and I think this replacement is more of an inconvenience for a lot of the members.

Yep. I can imagine P1/Masters it will probably be a breeze as they likely put those numbers up anyway. For everyone else, it’s actually a hell of a lot of effort. For those who don’t do BG, they are getting penalised.

I’ve noticed it’s taking 30-45 seconds to find matches in BG this season. First few seasons it was 15 seconds max. Not sure if this is a way to try and get people to play more BG.

Let’s say because of the win rate you need 2k of eldersmarks to get the 100k of points. You’d have to spend 945 units to get them, others side you’re stuck using energy. And that’s if you typically stop at 300k of points. I’ve only put 60k points this season (I’m not spending on elders marks) and there’s no one else in my Alliance who’ll get close to earning these rewards.

Again, I don’t think delaying the rewards by a week is a huge loss, but I do think kabam is implementing benefits pretty much only those already at the top end of the MCOC pool. It would have been fairer to just keep the delay and tell us all to live with it and suck it up.

ChriissR · June 2023

They literally aren't asking you to do the last 2 milestones tho. It's there for alliances who want/can hit it, it's not meant for every alliance to hit lol

zernix · June 2023

Personally I think an alliance engagement event for doing AQ and off season war would've been far better. Probably too much work tho.

LordSmasher · June 2023

Seems a bit wierd. Its a bit like "We know you not going to get your regaular snack, but to compensate we put some cookies way up on the top shelf where only a few people can reach. Your welcome."

Terminatrix · June 2023

LordSmasher said:
Seems a bit wierd. Its a bit like "We know you not going to get your regaular snack, but to compensate we put some cookies way up on the top shelf where only a few people can reach. Your welcome."

Lmfaoooooooo

Drago_von_Drago · June 2023

I rarely play AW so this doesn’t really impact me but this seems like a ploy to drive BG play up. If there are already countless threads on dropped BG matches, I can only imagine how many more we’ll see with a bunch more players trying to meet milestones.

rockykoston · June 2023

ChriissR said:
They literally aren't asking you to do the last 2 milestones tho. It's there for alliances who want/can hit it, it's not meant for every alliance to hit lol

Yes they aren't asking, that's correct.

However, we do AW seriously and have a minimum BG requirement as well, all we can do is hope people will go for those solo rewards and get the alliance score up without pressuring anyone to score more. Don't want to scare members to leave.

Badah · June 2023

My Ally doesn't care very much for Battlegrounds, and neither do I... I just play the 3 matches every 2 days, not caring about if I win or lose matches. So the supposed rewards increase in Battlegrounds are useless to me... It would make more sense to send the same tier rewards we get in season 42 as a "correction" package...

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GinjabredMonsta · June 2023

It’s an L for me especially with BG being the fire pit it has been. But I will say it’s a good way to get engagement numbers up.

I’ve now read the post and I’m indifferent. It prob won’t change what I do

Mknight123 · June 2023

HulkbusterN1 said:
That’s only for one season, when AW will be unavailable. There will be nothing really to do in the game, so I think it’s not a problem to do a couple more fights in BGs.

It's a problem for people like me, who despise bgs and I only get my 50k alliance bg requirement and that's it, I hate the mode and everything about it, so I do agree with rockykoston, pull the milestones down a wee bit, since we're having to do more bgs for our aw rewards however it does seem like a great idea if you actually like bgs so it's a good idea just not for everyone unfortunately.

SirGamesBond · June 2023

LordSmasher said:
Seems a bit wierd. Its a bit like "We know you not going to get your regaular snack, but to compensate we put some cookies way up on the top shelf where only a few people can reach. Your welcome."

Easy

spider_man_guy_123 · June 2023

If they put hellish nodes in the VT they might lose their company

Searmenis · June 2023

Boosting BG rewards to make for the War losses is a very big L. I m pretty sure that many alliances will force their members to do minimum requirements in BGs for the season, a mode that s full of bugs, unfair matchmaking (debatable), with a huge bump in time needed to achieve milestone similar to AW rewards. In war you play for like, 15 minutes/day, for BGs you ll need 2 hours if you use energy. Or you buy elders marks, another L for those who don't play Battlegrounds in general. Also, no loyalty.

You could have boosted the off season war session rewards, but no, you want players to consume even more time, or make a youtubers' fiesta.(I couldn't care less watching whaletubers showing off their shiny r2 7 stars in GC, when I have an error disconnected message every 3 BG fights.)

IvarTheBoneless · June 2023

At least post the season 9 BG nodes together with the rewards info imo

AMS94 · June 2023

Imagine if the Victory Track nodes of season 9 are some total BS nodes that most players won't even want to play with
It would be a total D move but not something we don't expect from them

Tinklywink5459 · June 2023

When you climb up victory track fights get hard with elder mark It would great if they are placed at 150k,175k,200k milestones

Moosetiptronic · June 2023

Assuming 50% win rate, is it 3675 per match of using marks, or 5000?

Either way, that's 70 to 100 matches with marks to hit 350k milestone.

10 minutes a match? 850 minutes, or 14 hours?

How much time do you spend playing war? 7 fights at 3 mins a fight, or 3.5 hours a season?

Hmmmm. I'm thinking they've misjudged this one....

rockykoston · June 2023

Moosetiptronic said:
Assuming 50% win rate, is it 3675 per match of using marks, or 5000?

Either way, that's 70 to 100 matches with marks to hit 350k milestone.

10 minutes a match? 850 minutes, or 14 hours?

How much time do you spend playing war? 7 fights at 3 mins a fight, or 3.5 hours a season?

Hmmmm. I'm thinking they've misjudged this one....

3375 marks.
Easily 100 to 115 matches.

Around 1100 minutes of play, that's about 18 hours.

As for war -
Average person does no more than 6-7 fights per war, each fight takes around or less than 2 minutes.

That's 15 minutes per war including placement.
12 wars in a season. That's 3 hours.
Or being generous let's say 4 hours.

Like you said, not even close.

If they really want to make up the rewards, they should be either given within the first few milestones or directly in the mailbox. Not the last few where you need some 45 minutes of play daily.

Stantona · June 2023

What I don’t like is that you have to rely on 29 other members (to play a game mode they probably don’t like) to help get the bulk of the alliance war rewards we will miss out on. Why can’t they just put all the rewards behind the solo event then at least it’s in our own hands. Silly decision 🤦🏻‍♂️

Moosetiptronic · June 2023

rockykoston said:

Moosetiptronic said:
Assuming 50% win rate, is it 3675 per match of using marks, or 5000?

Either way, that's 70 to 100 matches with marks to hit 350k milestone.

10 minutes a match? 850 minutes, or 14 hours?

How much time do you spend playing war? 7 fights at 3 mins a fight, or 3.5 hours a season?

Hmmmm. I'm thinking they've misjudged this one....
3375 marks.
Easily 100 to 115 matches.

Around 1100 minutes of play, that's about 18 hours.

As for war -
Average person does no more than 6-7 fights per war, each fight takes around or less than 2 minutes.

That's 15 minutes per war including placement.
12 wars in a season. That's 3 hours.
Or being generous let's say 4 hours.

Like you said, not even close.

If they really want to make up the rewards, they should be either given within the first few milestones or directly in the mailbox. Not the last few where you need some 45 minutes of play daily.

Completely agree. I'm regularly shuffling war defence and normally take 9 to 10 fights per war and don't get close to 4 hours over a season.

And while I used to moan about war being stressful, it's got nothing on BGs....

Deacon · June 2023

i see some are assuming that BGs is that fun to do in its current state. even with the changes (and I am a fan of what they did) .. there are still issues with the mode that frustrate you. so expecting people to play more of a sometimes unplayable mode is a bit much to me.

HungaryHippo · June 2023

The entitlement is real. They could have just taken AW offline.

What is wrong with people? Even a little effort to get a generic AND a class gem is something people can find something to complain about.

rockykoston · June 2023

HungaryHippo said:
The entitlement is real. They could have just taken AW offline.

What is wrong with people? Even a little effort to get a generic AND a class gem is something people can find something to complain about.

That's acceptable if they take AW down and let it be there.

The reasoning that they don't want people to lose out on rewards and yet put them up so high that even the top alliances will have a tough time getting there is the issue.

The time investment is also totally different between the 2 modes as already pointed out in this thread.

Hey, are you really asking us to tell everyone in the alliance to hit 350-400k in BG next season?

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