What's the deal with the Gambit relic?

magnus_xix · June 2023

Previously, the Gambit relic gave specials that deal physical damage +~2200 crit rating across all rarities and ranks. I can't imagine this was intended but has it now actually been fixed or was it just a visual bug and the crit rating displayed was never accurate?

The crit rating has now changed to various values across the different rarities with the 4* giving +~800 crit rating and the 5* giving +~1600 crit rating. I'm unsure on how much crit rating the 6* gives as I don't own it.

The additional crit rating still doesn't increase as the relic is ranked up however. Is this also intended or not? Will there be anymore changes to it or is this the final version?

5th · June 2023

Just yesterday it was 2100 crit dmg
Now its 800 😑

phil56201 · June 2023

It's definitely critting less now. I've been using the 4* relic on Gambit for a couple months now, and previously his Sp2 would crit about 75% of the time. Now it seems to be at about the same rate with or without the relic equipped.

Would have been nice to know that this relic wasn't working as intended and was going to be changed. I don't see any mention on the Telos bug tracker, or anything here on the forum as far as I can see.

xLunatiXx · June 2023

Wow is that the first (or another) shadow nerf ? I'm losing my words

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

xLunatiXx said:
Wow is that the first (or another) shadow nerf ? I'm losing my words

There are no shadow nerfs. If anything, it's likely a bug.

5th · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

xLunatiXx said:
Wow is that the first (or another) shadow nerf ? I'm losing my words
it's likely a bug.

*Another bug

laserjohn26 · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

xLunatiXx said:
Wow is that the first (or another) shadow nerf ? I'm losing my words
There are no shadow nerfs. If anything, it's likely a bug.

Yes because when you are typing 800 you can easily instead type 2100 on accident. It's basically the same number, the characters are right next to each other, and the numbers are the same number of digits. It happens all the time.

AMS94 · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

xLunatiXx said:
Wow is that the first (or another) shadow nerf ? I'm losing my words
There are no shadow nerfs. If anything, it's likely a bug.

Ofcourse

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

laserjohn26 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

xLunatiXx said:
Wow is that the first (or another) shadow nerf ? I'm losing my words
There are no shadow nerfs. If anything, it's likely a bug.
Yes because when you are typing 800 you can easily instead type 2100 on accident. It's basically the same number, the characters are right next to each other, and the numbers are the same number of digits. It happens all the time.

So you think someone went in to change it and mistyped 2100? I've heard some conspiracies but that one is interesting.

AverageDesi · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

xLunatiXx said:
Wow is that the first (or another) shadow nerf ? I'm losing my words
There are no shadow nerfs. If anything, it's likely a bug.

Bishop though

AverageDesi · June 2023

laserjohn26 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

xLunatiXx said:
Wow is that the first (or another) shadow nerf ? I'm losing my words
There are no shadow nerfs. If anything, it's likely a bug.
Yes because when you are typing 800 you can easily instead type 2100 on accident. It's basically the same number, the characters are right next to each other, and the numbers are the same number of digits. It happens all the time.

It's not that simple

Eb0ny-O-M4w · June 2023

Is likely a shadow nerf, not a bug

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Is likely a shadow nerf, not a bug

What information do you have to base that on?

[Deleted User] · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Is likely a shadow nerf, not a bug
What information do you have to base that on?

What information do you have?

L1zardW1zard · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Is likely a shadow nerf, not a bug
What information do you have to base that on?

God do you ever stop defending Kabam over everything and claiming anything negative people say on these forums are conspiracies? It was 2.1k indeed and now it's 800, that's no bug that is a shadow nerf.

AverageDesi · June 2023

L1zardW1zard said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Is likely a shadow nerf, not a bug
What information do you have to base that on?
God do you ever stop defending Kabam over everything and claiming anything negative people say on these forums are conspiracies? It was 2.1k indeed and now it's 800, that's no bug that is a shadow nerf.

No what GW is saying is that it's likely that the new values are bugged or the old one was

IsThisLoss · June 2023

I been saying for weeks now that this relic was very obviously not intended to give that much crit rating and that it will be changed 😂

L1zardW1zard · June 2023

AverageDesi said:

L1zardW1zard said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Is likely a shadow nerf, not a bug
What information do you have to base that on?
God do you ever stop defending Kabam over everything and claiming anything negative people say on these forums are conspiracies? It was 2.1k indeed and now it's 800, that's no bug that is a shadow nerf.

No what GW is saying is that it's likely that the new values are bugged or the old one was

So you're saying it's far more likely for this whole situation to be a bug than a shadow nerf? Doesn't seem logical to me, sure nobody here has insider information but if you take into account the fact that the values changed on the higher rarities too it's pretty obvious what actually happened here.
Ps. I really don't think defending GW is a hill you wanna die on mate.

AverageDesi · June 2023

L1zardW1zard said:

AverageDesi said:

L1zardW1zard said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Is likely a shadow nerf, not a bug
What information do you have to base that on?
God do you ever stop defending Kabam over everything and claiming anything negative people say on these forums are conspiracies? It was 2.1k indeed and now it's 800, that's no bug that is a shadow nerf.

No what GW is saying is that it's likely that the new values are bugged or the old one was
So you're saying it's far more likely for this whole situation to be a bug than a shadow nerf? Doesn't seem logical to me, sure nobody here has insider information but if you take into account the fact that the values changed on the higher rarities too it's pretty obvious what actually happened here.
Ps. I really don't think defending GW is a hill you wanna die on mate.

Is it really that hard to believe this game has bugs?

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

The point I'm making is NONE of us have enough information to make assertions either way. I suspect it's a bug because history shows they don't just silently nerf things, and they've said so umpteen times.
The implied point I made, which was overlooked, was it's always best to gather more information and ask then jump to the "nerf" conclusion.

L1zardW1zard · June 2023

AverageDesi said:

L1zardW1zard said:

AverageDesi said:

L1zardW1zard said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Is likely a shadow nerf, not a bug
What information do you have to base that on?
God do you ever stop defending Kabam over everything and claiming anything negative people say on these forums are conspiracies? It was 2.1k indeed and now it's 800, that's no bug that is a shadow nerf.

No what GW is saying is that it's likely that the new values are bugged or the old one was
So you're saying it's far more likely for this whole situation to be a bug than a shadow nerf? Doesn't seem logical to me, sure nobody here has insider information but if you take into account the fact that the values changed on the higher rarities too it's pretty obvious what actually happened here.
Ps. I really don't think defending GW is a hill you wanna die on mate.
Is it really that hard to believe this game has bugs?

Is it really that hard to think logically?

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

Something is different. = They nerfed him.

That seem logical?

xLunatiXx · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:
The point I'm making is NONE of us have enough information to make assertions either way. I suspect it's a bug because history shows they don't just silently nerf things, and they've said so umpteen times.
The implied point I made, which was overlooked, was it's always best to gather more information and ask then jump to the "nerf" conclusion.

History does say the opposite tho 💁‍♂️

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

xLunatiXx said:

GroundedWisdom said:
The point I'm making is NONE of us have enough information to make assertions either way. I suspect it's a bug because history shows they don't just silently nerf things, and they've said so umpteen times.
The implied point I made, which was overlooked, was it's always best to gather more information and ask then jump to the "nerf" conclusion.
History does say the opposite tho 💁‍♂️

Hard disagree. In 8 and a half years, I'd like to know what history of silent nerfs that is.

ItsClobberinTime · June 2023

@GroundedWisdom as they've pointed out many times already the values changed across all rarities not just one so yes it is highly unlikely that this is just a bug. Neither of you can think logically they're right lol

DarkestDestroyer · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

xLunatiXx said:

GroundedWisdom said:
The point I'm making is NONE of us have enough information to make assertions either way. I suspect it's a bug because history shows they don't just silently nerf things, and they've said so umpteen times.
The implied point I made, which was overlooked, was it's always best to gather more information and ask then jump to the "nerf" conclusion.
History does say the opposite tho 💁‍♂️
Hard disagree. In 8 and a half years, I'd like to know what history of silent nerfs that is.

8 years is so long, I’ve been there from the start too, but at times there have been silent nerfs and that’s just a fact, I’m not saying this is, you’re probably right.

But there has been a bit of everything along the way.

5th · June 2023

ItsClobberinTime said:
@GroundedWisdom as they've pointed out many times already the values changed across all rarities not just one so yes it is highly unlikely that this is just a bug. Neither of you can think logically they're right lol

He be like

xLunatiXx · June 2023

Waiting for Kabam post like : "sorry this change was not supposed to go live now, we were going to announce it later for our July build but something slipped through. Sorry for our lack of communication (again) but this change is intended as it was seen as overpowered."

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

5th said:

ItsClobberinTime said:
@GroundedWisdom as they've pointed out many times already the values changed across all rarities not just one so yes it is highly unlikely that this is just a bug. Neither of you can think logically they're right lol
He be like

If anyone can imply I don't think, I'm afraid they're not reading my comments.
I just don't jump to illogical conclusions based on mistrust.
If I suspect something has changed, I ask for clarification. I don't cry nerf. That doesn't help any discussion get the information it needs.

L1zardW1zard · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

5th said:

ItsClobberinTime said:
@GroundedWisdom as they've pointed out many times already the values changed across all rarities not just one so yes it is highly unlikely that this is just a bug. Neither of you can think logically they're right lol
He be like

If anyone can imply I don't think, I'm afraid they're not reading my comments.
I just don't jump to illogical conclusions based on mistrust.
If I suspect something has changed, I ask for clarification. I don't cry nerf. That doesn't help any discussion get the information it needs.

For the third time, it isn't illogical to think this IS probably a nerf and not a bug because the values changed on all rarities not just one, you're so dense.

TheKiryu · June 2023

Gambit relic was bugged since launch. Giving same crit rating regardless of rarity. So 4* relic was giving 6* ranked relic bonus. Kabam knew about it since release and fixed it without announcing it.

In other words, new and lower crit bonuses are what kabam intended for lower gambit relic rarities.

As per kam on twitter and few other ccp folks.

So it WAS a bug, and change is a BUG FIX, as in most cases, handled poorly.

What's the deal with the Gambit relic?

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