7+ years ago. Let’s drag up your entire history and go through what you’ve done the last 7 years.
KT could start a new account and still pass you with one hand tied behind his hand.
What you don’t realize is that people who were asked to pilot and merc were exceptionally skilled at the game. Keep whining.
Not whining, just curious if they're going to do anything, and if they're not if its because its been 7 years OR if its because of the size of his platform
Because it’s been 7 years. Maybe you should be talking about current TOS violations instead of talking about 7 year old issues?
But you clearly didn’t do this in good faith.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
Nothing will be done because it was 7 years ago. He has proven that he is reformed and hasn't broken the ToS since then. Punishing him now, after 7 years, would be a punishment done in bad faith.
Isn't he technically still breaking TOS by playing on an account that isn't his? I'm not sure how all that works but that was my understanding of it
it was different then.
many current big accounts are second hand
5+ years ago it was customary to:
-buy energy refills and war potions from mercs - load the alliance treasury with loyalty, gold, and battlechips purchased from mercs (map 6 was so expensive even the "cleanest teams" with the best reps used to do this) - in 2017-2018 in was common for the average player to finish their friend's quest or move them in AQ
if kabam banned for past tos violations, they would nuke most of masters, most competitive aq teams, many players below that, and even members of their own CCP if you get my drift. it was different back then. old times had different standards that you can't compare to today.
Old times had different standards? As far as I’m concerned TOS on piloting was the same back then. Nevertheless if Kabam goes the strict approach on cheating, they shouldn’t have double standards. If someone cheated by piloting in the past (and for most it was happening for a long time, not just once), they should receive the 7 day ban, just to signal the community that double standards don’t exist. Having passed 7 years isn’t an excuse. People got banned after 2 months, for getting carried for one hour in incursions. Yet some famous YTbers (we all know who they are), were mercing for months, if not for years, and they never got punished the slightest. Rules should apply to everyone, no exceptions. Or else Kabam should set and inform the community on the time line, a TOS violation is erased. Clear rules for all.
The community has always been split on this. Everyone here treats emulator users, modders, hackers, botters and mercs like trash when they come and complain that their accounts were banned. We tell them that they got what they deserve and then if that person says they'll never do it again, we tell them too bad, so sad and to go away.
But KT1 gets a pass because not only is he a YouTuber, he par takes in the greatest bonding event there is, complaining about EVERYTHING, Kabam does. There isn't a single thing that will make most community members like someone better than bashing Kabam for every decision that was ever made, including bashing Miike and Jax about their shorts on a live stream.
It doesn't matter what KT1 did because he's a "champion for the people" even though he hasn't done a single thing for the game itself. But then there's someone like DNA3000 who actively helps the community but gets a fraction of the praise.
It's a weird dynamic.
Or because it happened 7 years ago and the rest of us have moved on. Merc’ing and inheriting an account that long ago is past the statute of limitations (IMO) if you’ve been clean since then.
7+ years ago. Let’s drag up your entire history and go through what you’ve done the last 7 years.
KT could start a new account and still pass you with one hand tied behind his hand.
What you don’t realize is that people who were asked to pilot and merc were exceptionally skilled at the game. Keep whining.
Not whining, just curious if they're going to do anything, and if they're not if its because its been 7 years OR if its because of the size of his platform
Because it’s been 7 years. Maybe you should be talking about current TOS violations instead of talking about 7 year old issues?
But you clearly didn’t do this in good faith.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
Nothing will be done because it was 7 years ago. He has proven that he is reformed and hasn't broken the ToS since then. Punishing him now, after 7 years, would be a punishment done in bad faith.
Isn't he technically still breaking TOS by playing on an account that isn't his? I'm not sure how all that works but that was my understanding of it
it was different then.
many current big accounts are second hand
5+ years ago it was customary to:
-buy energy refills and war potions from mercs - load the alliance treasury with loyalty, gold, and battlechips purchased from mercs (map 6 was so expensive even the "cleanest teams" with the best reps used to do this) - in 2017-2018 in was common for the average player to finish their friend's quest or move them in AQ
if kabam banned for past tos violations, they would nuke most of masters, most competitive aq teams, many players below that, and even members of their own CCP if you get my drift. it was different back then. old times had different standards that you can't compare to today.
You should clarify that it was customary within the community, not with Kabam. They still banned people back then as well but back then, it was harder to catch them.
Kabam has NEVER approved of any of that behavior.
But still allowed it to happen Silence is the sign of approval/agreement
You know that for a fact? You have some internal emails saying they allowed it or is it possible he just didn't get detected?
The community has always been split on this. Everyone here treats emulator users, modders, hackers, botters and mercs like trash when they come and complain that their accounts were banned. We tell them that they got what they deserve and then if that person says they'll never do it again, we tell them too bad, so sad and to go away.
But KT1 gets a pass because not only is he a YouTuber, he par takes in the greatest bonding event there is, complaining about EVERYTHING, Kabam does. There isn't a single thing that will make most community members like someone better than bashing Kabam for every decision that was ever made, including bashing Miike and Jax about their shorts on a live stream.
It doesn't matter what KT1 did because he's a "champion for the people" even though he hasn't done a single thing for the game itself. But then there's someone like DNA3000 who actively helps the community but gets a fraction of the praise.
It's a weird dynamic.
Or because it happened 7 years ago and the rest of us have moved on. Merc’ing and inheriting an account that long ago is past the statute of limitations (IMO) if you’ve been clean since then.
No. You don't like anyone who does it now, you shouldn't like it from back then either.
7+ years ago. Let’s drag up your entire history and go through what you’ve done the last 7 years.
KT could start a new account and still pass you with one hand tied behind his hand.
What you don’t realize is that people who were asked to pilot and merc were exceptionally skilled at the game. Keep whining.
Not whining, just curious if they're going to do anything, and if they're not if its because its been 7 years OR if its because of the size of his platform
Because it’s been 7 years. Maybe you should be talking about current TOS violations instead of talking about 7 year old issues?
But you clearly didn’t do this in good faith.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
Nothing will be done because it was 7 years ago. He has proven that he is reformed and hasn't broken the ToS since then. Punishing him now, after 7 years, would be a punishment done in bad faith.
Isn't he technically still breaking TOS by playing on an account that isn't his? I'm not sure how all that works but that was my understanding of it
it was different then.
many current big accounts are second hand
5+ years ago it was customary to:
-buy energy refills and war potions from mercs - load the alliance treasury with loyalty, gold, and battlechips purchased from mercs (map 6 was so expensive even the "cleanest teams" with the best reps used to do this) - in 2017-2018 in was common for the average player to finish their friend's quest or move them in AQ
if kabam banned for past tos violations, they would nuke most of masters, most competitive aq teams, many players below that, and even members of their own CCP if you get my drift. it was different back then. old times had different standards that you can't compare to today.
Old times had different standards? As far as I’m concerned TOS on piloting was the same back then. Nevertheless if Kabam goes the strict approach on cheating, they shouldn’t have double standards. If someone cheated by piloting in the past (and for most it was happening for a long time, not just once), they should receive the 7 day ban, just to signal the community that double standards don’t exist. Having passed 7 years isn’t an excuse. People got banned after 2 months, for getting carried for one hour in incursions. Yet some famous YTbers (we all know who they are), were mercing for months, if not for years, and they never got punished the slightest. Rules should apply to everyone, no exceptions. Or else Kabam should set and inform the community on the time line, a TOS violation is erased. Clear rules for all.
Ofcourse old times had different standards. These things are fluid and change according to what's happening in the community. I remember the time when kabam made a clear emphasis on account sharing , after that I don't think much of the sharing happened. It's like this everywhere not just mcoc . It is the standard process of running something . Not saying he didn't do anything wrong but he said he stopped in late 2015 , that's way before kabam tightened the leash on account sharing . Let me give you another example like there's a bg points farming thing going on rn , kabam doesn't have anything against it yet. And why won't someone alternate lose and win to get more points . If kabam says something tmr like it's against tos , do take action against anyone who does after that .
7+ years ago. Let’s drag up your entire history and go through what you’ve done the last 7 years.
KT could start a new account and still pass you with one hand tied behind his hand.
What you don’t realize is that people who were asked to pilot and merc were exceptionally skilled at the game. Keep whining.
Not whining, just curious if they're going to do anything, and if they're not if its because its been 7 years OR if its because of the size of his platform
Because it’s been 7 years. Maybe you should be talking about current TOS violations instead of talking about 7 year old issues?
But you clearly didn’t do this in good faith.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
Nothing will be done because it was 7 years ago. He has proven that he is reformed and hasn't broken the ToS since then. Punishing him now, after 7 years, would be a punishment done in bad faith.
Isn't he technically still breaking TOS by playing on an account that isn't his? I'm not sure how all that works but that was my understanding of it
Okay , I'll ask you directly , what do you want to happen ? You're inclining somewhere , say it openly buddy .
7+ years ago. Let’s drag up your entire history and go through what you’ve done the last 7 years.
KT could start a new account and still pass you with one hand tied behind his hand.
What you don’t realize is that people who were asked to pilot and merc were exceptionally skilled at the game. Keep whining.
Not whining, just curious if they're going to do anything, and if they're not if its because its been 7 years OR if its because of the size of his platform
Because it’s been 7 years. Maybe you should be talking about current TOS violations instead of talking about 7 year old issues?
But you clearly didn’t do this in good faith.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
Nothing will be done because it was 7 years ago. He has proven that he is reformed and hasn't broken the ToS since then. Punishing him now, after 7 years, would be a punishment done in bad faith.
Isn't he technically still breaking TOS by playing on an account that isn't his? I'm not sure how all that works but that was my understanding of it
Kabam even hired a known (past) ToS violator to do some of their videos and is a CCP member, that should answer your doubts
Just think of it like that FAZE kid who showed mods being used in Fortnite on YouTube just in a private lobby I think and Fortnite seeing it and permabanning him
The community has always been split on this. Everyone here treats emulator users, modders, hackers, botters and mercs like trash when they come and complain that their accounts were banned. We tell them that they got what they deserve and then if that person says they'll never do it again, we tell them too bad, so sad and to go away.
But KT1 gets a pass because not only is he a YouTuber, he par takes in the greatest bonding event there is, complaining about EVERYTHING, Kabam does. There isn't a single thing that will make most community members like someone better than bashing Kabam for every decision that was ever made, including bashing Miike and Jax about their shorts on a live stream.
It doesn't matter what KT1 did because he's a "champion for the people" even though he hasn't done a single thing for the game itself. But then there's someone like DNA3000 who actively helps the community but gets a fraction of the praise.
It's a weird dynamic.
Or because it happened 7 years ago and the rest of us have moved on. Merc’ing and inheriting an account that long ago is past the statute of limitations (IMO) if you’ve been clean since then.
No. You don't like anyone who does it now, you shouldn't like it from back then either.
I’m sorry but there’s a difference between someone actively doing it currently and someone who has matured, accepted wrongdoing and moved on from it. There has to be, or there’s no concept of personal growth.
People make mistakes and move on from it, I’m absolutely willing to forgive people for mercing or account sharing in the past as long as they realise it was a mistake and haven’t done it since then. KT even speaks out about it now.
I disagree with a fair bit of what he says, I don’t like his completely anti-kabam stance and I think he looks at things too negatively and has a negative impact on the community in that regard. But as for his stance on this whole account sharing/mercing? I think that is a positive impact he has on the game.
Not that it was right to do it at the time, and it was definitely against the rules, but the community had a very different view on account sharing and mercing, so I can see how someone who was ignorant to it doing it without realising the impact and the cheating nature of it.
Not that that makes it ok, but on a scale of how scummy it is - someone knowingly breaking the rules today when the entire community is absolutely against it is very different to someone who picked up the game when it was smaller, less of a community and less of an outlook on mercing and account sharing being a really scummy thing to do.
They are both bad things to do. But if one person did it 7 years ago and has never done it since, and since apologised, accepted it and spoken out about what a bad thing it is to do, it is not a wild concept to still believe it was a bad thing that they did that, but forgive and move on from it.
Bear in mind that this could apply to many people in the community who started the game before the current outlook on breaking TOS is in the game. Some prominent YouTubers (not meant to throw shade, just pointing out we can forgive those people too).
Personal growth is a real thing, and we can disagree with people in one place, agree in another. KT is right to stand up for himself, if Kabam want to ban him they can, but by rights they should ban a whole lot of other people as well.
7+ years ago. Let’s drag up your entire history and go through what you’ve done the last 7 years.
KT could start a new account and still pass you with one hand tied behind his hand.
What you don’t realize is that people who were asked to pilot and merc were exceptionally skilled at the game. Keep whining.
Not whining, just curious if they're going to do anything, and if they're not if its because its been 7 years OR if its because of the size of his platform
Because it’s been 7 years. Maybe you should be talking about current TOS violations instead of talking about 7 year old issues?
But you clearly didn’t do this in good faith.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
Nothing will be done because it was 7 years ago. He has proven that he is reformed and hasn't broken the ToS since then. Punishing him now, after 7 years, would be a punishment done in bad faith.
Isn't he technically still breaking TOS by playing on an account that isn't his? I'm not sure how all that works but that was my understanding of it
Okay , I'll ask you directly , what do you want to happen ? You're inclining somewhere , say it openly buddy .
Either I want kabam to say there will be no ban (because after a certain amount of time TOS violations can be ignored or whatever) or I'd like to see a 7 day ban.
7+ years ago. Let’s drag up your entire history and go through what you’ve done the last 7 years.
KT could start a new account and still pass you with one hand tied behind his hand.
What you don’t realize is that people who were asked to pilot and merc were exceptionally skilled at the game. Keep whining.
Not whining, just curious if they're going to do anything, and if they're not if its because its been 7 years OR if its because of the size of his platform
Because it’s been 7 years. Maybe you should be talking about current TOS violations instead of talking about 7 year old issues?
But you clearly didn’t do this in good faith.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
Nothing will be done because it was 7 years ago. He has proven that he is reformed and hasn't broken the ToS since then. Punishing him now, after 7 years, would be a punishment done in bad faith.
Isn't he technically still breaking TOS by playing on an account that isn't his? I'm not sure how all that works but that was my understanding of it
Okay , I'll ask you directly , what do you want to happen ? You're inclining somewhere , say it openly buddy .
Either I want kabam to say there will be no ban (because after a certain amount of time TOS violations can be ignored or whatever) or I'd like to see a 7 day ban.
I think especially with the top 8 clean accounts getting flown out to Vancouver after next season of bgs, KT shouldn't be able to qualify for that after admiting to breaking TOS. I know people who won't be able to go because of getting banned for farming treasure island (an exploit that, despite being kabams fault, they banned players for using, something I've never seen any other game do) so I think a self admitted merc, no matter who it is, should have a ban on record so they can't qualify.
If he really is sorry he should more than welcome a ban, should he not? Do the crime do the time is the saying no?
7+ years ago. Let’s drag up your entire history and go through what you’ve done the last 7 years.
KT could start a new account and still pass you with one hand tied behind his hand.
What you don’t realize is that people who were asked to pilot and merc were exceptionally skilled at the game. Keep whining.
Not whining, just curious if they're going to do anything, and if they're not if its because its been 7 years OR if its because of the size of his platform
Because it’s been 7 years. Maybe you should be talking about current TOS violations instead of talking about 7 year old issues?
But you clearly didn’t do this in good faith.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
Nothing will be done because it was 7 years ago. He has proven that he is reformed and hasn't broken the ToS since then. Punishing him now, after 7 years, would be a punishment done in bad faith.
Isn't he technically still breaking TOS by playing on an account that isn't his? I'm not sure how all that works but that was my understanding of it
Okay , I'll ask you directly , what do you want to happen ? You're inclining somewhere , say it openly buddy .
Either I want kabam to say there will be no ban (because after a certain amount of time TOS violations can be ignored or whatever) or I'd like to see a 7 day ban.
I think especially with the top 8 clean accounts getting flown out to Vancouver after next season of bgs, KT shouldn't be able to qualify for that after admiting to breaking TOS. I know people who won't be able to go because of getting banned for farming treasure island (an exploit that, despite being kabams fault, they banned players for using, something I've never seen any other game do) so I think a self admitted merc, no matter who it is, should have a ban on record so they can't qualify.
If he really is sorry he should more than welcome a ban, should he not? Do the crime do the time is the saying no?
You act like kabam isn't aware of KTs history. Everyone and their dog has known this about KT and Kabam chose to not ban him a long time ago. It would be in bad faith to ban him now and would just show Kabam has a personal vendetta against him.
7+ years ago. Let’s drag up your entire history and go through what you’ve done the last 7 years.
KT could start a new account and still pass you with one hand tied behind his hand.
What you don’t realize is that people who were asked to pilot and merc were exceptionally skilled at the game. Keep whining.
Not whining, just curious if they're going to do anything, and if they're not if its because its been 7 years OR if its because of the size of his platform
Because it’s been 7 years. Maybe you should be talking about current TOS violations instead of talking about 7 year old issues?
But you clearly didn’t do this in good faith.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
Nothing will be done because it was 7 years ago. He has proven that he is reformed and hasn't broken the ToS since then. Punishing him now, after 7 years, would be a punishment done in bad faith.
Isn't he technically still breaking TOS by playing on an account that isn't his? I'm not sure how all that works but that was my understanding of it
it was different then.
many current big accounts are second hand
5+ years ago it was customary to:
-buy energy refills and war potions from mercs - load the alliance treasury with loyalty, gold, and battlechips purchased from mercs (map 6 was so expensive even the "cleanest teams" with the best reps used to do this) - in 2017-2018 in was common for the average player to finish their friend's quest or move them in AQ
if kabam banned for past tos violations, they would nuke most of masters, most competitive aq teams, many players below that, and even members of their own CCP if you get my drift. it was different back then. old times had different standards that you can't compare to today.
You should clarify that it was customary within the community, not with Kabam. They still banned people back then as well but back then, it was harder to catch them.
Kabam has NEVER approved of any of that behavior.
Kabam never approved that behavior but it was so rampant and normalized that they had to turn a blind eye to it. Community practices were just different. Players sucked, skills were primitive, piloting was normal, and guides didn't really exist but much has changed since. Community practices need a long time to change, let's be happy that it did.
People said the same thing about Account Sharing in general. "It's against the rules, but they won't do anything." Then they cried when people got banned for it. Implying that breaking the rules is acceptable, is dangerous. Now, I'm not getting into what said person did because I don't care. Although I have no tolerance for cheating. Still, implying it's overlooked and thus allowed is not helpful.
Just a question. I honestly don’t know the answer and don’t see it here. But, if all this occurred 7 years or so ago, do we know he was actually not given a 7 day ban?
7+ years ago. Let’s drag up your entire history and go through what you’ve done the last 7 years.
KT could start a new account and still pass you with one hand tied behind his hand.
What you don’t realize is that people who were asked to pilot and merc were exceptionally skilled at the game. Keep whining.
Not whining, just curious if they're going to do anything, and if they're not if its because its been 7 years OR if its because of the size of his platform
Because it’s been 7 years. Maybe you should be talking about current TOS violations instead of talking about 7 year old issues?
But you clearly didn’t do this in good faith.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
Nothing will be done because it was 7 years ago. He has proven that he is reformed and hasn't broken the ToS since then. Punishing him now, after 7 years, would be a punishment done in bad faith.
Isn't he technically still breaking TOS by playing on an account that isn't his? I'm not sure how all that works but that was my understanding of it
it was different then.
many current big accounts are second hand
5+ years ago it was customary to:
-buy energy refills and war potions from mercs - load the alliance treasury with loyalty, gold, and battlechips purchased from mercs (map 6 was so expensive even the "cleanest teams" with the best reps used to do this) - in 2017-2018 in was common for the average player to finish their friend's quest or move them in AQ
if kabam banned for past tos violations, they would nuke most of masters, most competitive aq teams, many players below that, and even members of their own CCP if you get my drift. it was different back then. old times had different standards that you can't compare to today.
Old times had different standards? As far as I’m concerned TOS on piloting was the same back then. Nevertheless if Kabam goes the strict approach on cheating, they shouldn’t have double standards. If someone cheated by piloting in the past (and for most it was happening for a long time, not just once), they should receive the 7 day ban, just to signal the community that double standards don’t exist. Having passed 7 years isn’t an excuse. People got banned after 2 months, for getting carried for one hour in incursions. Yet some famous YTbers (we all know who they are), were mercing for months, if not for years, and they never got punished the slightest. Rules should apply to everyone, no exceptions. Or else Kabam should set and inform the community on the time line, a TOS violation is erased. Clear rules for all.
Yes, old times had different standards and you can't judge them using today's. If you want retroactive bans, you'd ban like what, 1/8th of accounts more than 5 years old? Even a good chunk of their CCP and even their own employees would get dinged.
7+ years ago. Let’s drag up your entire history and go through what you’ve done the last 7 years.
KT could start a new account and still pass you with one hand tied behind his hand.
What you don’t realize is that people who were asked to pilot and merc were exceptionally skilled at the game. Keep whining.
Not whining, just curious if they're going to do anything, and if they're not if its because its been 7 years OR if its because of the size of his platform
Because it’s been 7 years. Maybe you should be talking about current TOS violations instead of talking about 7 year old issues?
But you clearly didn’t do this in good faith.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
Nothing will be done because it was 7 years ago. He has proven that he is reformed and hasn't broken the ToS since then. Punishing him now, after 7 years, would be a punishment done in bad faith.
Isn't he technically still breaking TOS by playing on an account that isn't his? I'm not sure how all that works but that was my understanding of it
Okay , I'll ask you directly , what do you want to happen ? You're inclining somewhere , say it openly buddy .
Either I want kabam to say there will be no ban (because after a certain amount of time TOS violations can be ignored or whatever) or I'd like to see a 7 day ban.
Well that was nicely addressed by Bittersteel earlier and I don’t think I could have said it better myself. It really is this simple. Why would second chances exist if personal growth didn’t?
For sure I can’t stand people who cheat/bot/merc and are downright cowards or crooks, and they all deserve to be punished in a reasonable time frame to the infraction. It’s why I have no issue with Kabam drawing the line at the Adam Warlock and Moondragon arenas. We know it’s been going on for years but it would not be reasonable to ask that the entire history of an account is investigated. What is shameful about that action though is the shortsightedness about the impact of unit farming on other game modes. It’s free potions in AW and AQ, free elders marks for inflating BGs scores, free potions for story content, unit farming devalue the game more that revive farming ever could. Those who were busted should not have been allowed to collect awards in any ongoing competitive content even though a precedent action was set it wasn’t considerate enough to the impact on the player base. The alliances should have been docked all points the cheaters contributed. I’d also like to see AW cheating alliances docked down to stone, it’s silly stupid they still can collect platinum awards, and it just speaks to an insincere approach to the moderation of fair play.
But I diverge quite a bit from my initial point. Very few in the community are as vocally anti-cheating as KT1. And you could argue he does more to push fair play narratives than almost any other YTer. It’s a shame that his past is used to devalue very valuable points in this discussion as I think his story is more akin to a redemption arc, one where someone learned better and adjusted their behavior and I applaud him for being brave enough to share it.
The community has always been split on this. Everyone here treats emulator users, modders, hackers, botters and mercs like trash when they come and complain that their accounts were banned. We tell them that they got what they deserve and then if that person says they'll never do it again, we tell them too bad, so sad and to go away.
But KT1 gets a pass because not only is he a YouTuber, he par takes in the greatest bonding event there is, complaining about EVERYTHING, Kabam does. There isn't a single thing that will make most community members like someone better than bashing Kabam for every decision that was ever made, including bashing Miike and Jax about their shorts on a live stream.
It doesn't matter what KT1 did because he's a "champion for the people" even though he hasn't done a single thing for the game itself. But then there's someone like DNA3000 who actively helps the community but gets a fraction of the praise.
It's a weird dynamic.
I wouldn't say KT1 gets a completely free pass: in my experience he is a bit of a divisive content creator, although you could say that about many content creators.
Personally, there are many editorial positions he takes I disagree with, some I agree with, and some, shall we say perspectives that I'm not fond of in general. However, I have nothing personal against him, and in fact I was interviewed by him a few years back and he treated me fairly and respectfully in all respects. My own interactions with him were thoughtful and coherent, and if it isn't obvious that's a compliment coming from me.
In terms of his past, I'm aware of it, and for me personally we're talking about a sufficiently distant past that it isn't something that I really care all that much about today. And even though he has admitted to some or all of it, Kabam doesn't ban players based on testimony alone, not even self-incriminating testimony. They only ban based on evidentiary data, and I don't think at this point anyone is going to be digging up seven year old server logs to target a player that doesn't have current violations detected. They have their hands full punishing players who are cheating now.
While I'm not a Youtuber, I'm probably one of the more recognizable players that doesn't have a Youtube channel. I know what it is like to have people react negatively to me just because they don't like me, or because of some unforgivable sin they think I've failed to atone for. And this is not my first rodeo either. Because of that, I have a policy of giving content creators a relatively wide berth. I do not in general attack them, and in general I rarely even directly react to their content unless prompted to do so. But what I will say here is that as far as KT1 is concerned, people are free to like him or dislike him for whatever reasons they wish. But I am not generally in favor of trying to mass support for attacking another player.
If we're being technical, let's say I Merc'd a bunch of accounts a few years ago at the peak of MCOC and made a lot of money, but my personal account hasn't been touched by anyone but me, can they really ban my account since it hasn't broken any rules?
You may not use anyone else’s Account at any time and you may not allow anyone else to use your Account at any time.
Further, you agree not to (this list is not exhaustive and may be updated from time to time):
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Make offers, advertisements or proposals for goods, services, or other commercial activities outside of Kabam;
TOS Section 11
Accounts don't break rules, people do. Because people play somewhat anonymously most violations are traced to accounts not people, but in theory if they can trace merc activity to a person, and they can trace that person to a game account, they can ban that account even if no TOS violations were directly traced to that account. They have the legal right to simply discontinue service to any account, but they could also procedurally ban that account because the owner of that account was demonstrated to be in violation of the TOS.
What about all the players who've posted on here about their kid, wife or friend opening a crystal for them?
All the YouTubers doing that live on stream?
This is personally attacking one of the two of the top ten in BGs who are historical mercs and in game terms, this is ancient history.... When there are a LOT of people in glass houses.
Why the personal interest in attacking this one YouTuber @Scottryan?
Did he steal your girl, too?
Speaking as someone from the UK: - The guy has admitted he did wrong - He's apologised - He's explained repeatedly why it's wrong - He's steadfastly been against others doing it - He's been clean for many years since then
That's frankly better behaviour than our last few prime ministers, so personally I think we should let it go.
What a ridiculous discussion. I'm all for banning people who cheat, but I'm also all for the current system where you're given a short ban on your first offense, a longer ban on your second, and then an (I think?) permanent ban on your third. That allows people to change their ways, grow, and become valuable members of the community. If they don't change, they eventually get removed permanently - but I think everyone should have that option to change open to them.
I've personally been issued bans in the past, after which I stopped using an emulator, and I haven't been in trouble since. That's how it's supposed to work.
As for KT1, I don't know if he was issued a ban back in the day. Even if he wasn't, I do think that him being open with having merc'd in the past is kind of a self-inflicted punishment in and of itself considering how much flack he always gets from people even after all of these years. I think him being open with it and, in addition, being one of the most staunch anti-cheating youtubers out there counts for a lot. Especially with his past misdeeds being so incredibly far in the past. Seven years was before I even played the game, and I've played the game for a long time. There are actual crimes with shorter statues of limitations.
KT as a content creator is one of the main reasons I'm still playing this game till now, also I can assure you that there's plenty of the current ccp members has already broke TOS around the same time back then bcz it was a common thing, not saying it was the right thing to do, but if you gonna ban KT then ban the rest of them as well, but we all know it ain't gonna happen
Actually it wasn't that common among Content Creators. Not that I know of anyway. There was one who was penalized. I'm not saying they need to go back and ban everyone. I just don't care for this idea that cheating is somehow more acceptable because a number of alleged people were doing it. Cheating is cheating. Some people may have changed, and I'm certainly not going on a witch hunt for the past, but I'm also not going to praise someone as some sort of martyr. You get no pat on the back for deciding to follow the rules in my book. It's what's expected, and it's what the rest of us do.
The community has always been split on this. Everyone here treats emulator users, modders, hackers, botters and mercs like trash when they come and complain that their accounts were banned. We tell them that they got what they deserve and then if that person says they'll never do it again, we tell them too bad, so sad and to go away.
But KT1 gets a pass because not only is he a YouTuber, he par takes in the greatest bonding event there is, complaining about EVERYTHING, Kabam does. There isn't a single thing that will make most community members like someone better than bashing Kabam for every decision that was ever made, including bashing Miike and Jax about their shorts on a live stream.
It doesn't matter what KT1 did because he's a "champion for the people" even though he hasn't done a single thing for the game itself. But then there's someone like DNA3000 who actively helps the community but gets a fraction of the praise.
It's a weird dynamic.
Or because it happened 7 years ago and the rest of us have moved on. Merc’ing and inheriting an account that long ago is past the statute of limitations (IMO) if you’ve been clean since then.
No. You don't like anyone who does it now, you shouldn't like it from back then either.
What i can see from your posts is that you have something personal with KT1 and you wish him harm , but what I don’t like is that you come here with bad arguments and try to gather more people to follow your lost cause, yeah what he did 7 years ago stay’s there, because im sure you did something illegal at some point in your life and would be bad to come the police after all that time to get you ) its same thing . Good luck
The community has always been split on this. Everyone here treats emulator users, modders, hackers, botters and mercs like trash when they come and complain that their accounts were banned. We tell them that they got what they deserve and then if that person says they'll never do it again, we tell them too bad, so sad and to go away.
But KT1 gets a pass because not only is he a YouTuber, he par takes in the greatest bonding event there is, complaining about EVERYTHING, Kabam does. There isn't a single thing that will make most community members like someone better than bashing Kabam for every decision that was ever made, including bashing Miike and Jax about their shorts on a live stream.
It doesn't matter what KT1 did because he's a "champion for the people" even though he hasn't done a single thing for the game itself. But then there's someone like DNA3000 who actively helps the community but gets a fraction of the praise.
It's a weird dynamic.
Or because it happened 7 years ago and the rest of us have moved on. Merc’ing and inheriting an account that long ago is past the statute of limitations (IMO) if you’ve been clean since then.
No. You don't like anyone who does it now, you shouldn't like it from back then either.
What i can see from your posts is that you have something personal with KT1 and you wish him harm , but what I don’t like is that you come here with bad arguments and try to gather more people to follow your lost cause, yeah what he did 7 years ago stay’s there, because im sure you did something illegal at some point in your life and would be bad to come the police after all that time to get you ) its same thing . Good luck
Probably because KT has addressed the so called Forum White Knights in a video from a while back. Still salty about it i guess.
How exactly is this not in good faith? I'm just curious if something is going to be done, and if not then why
With "friends" like this... who needs enemies?
Came he under the guise of "asking for a friend" to whom you're clearly not but have a vendetta. If you have to craft a story, can't see how you could claim good faith.
You want him to get at least a 7-day ban for an extremely old transgression, for which you can't even be sure he hasn't been punished for - seems rather petty.
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As far as I’m concerned TOS on piloting was the same back then.
Nevertheless if Kabam goes the strict approach on cheating, they shouldn’t have double standards.
If someone cheated by piloting in the past (and for most it was happening for a long time, not just once), they should receive the 7 day ban, just to signal the community that double standards don’t exist.
Having passed 7 years isn’t an excuse.
People got banned after 2 months, for getting carried for one hour in incursions.
Yet some famous YTbers (we all know who they are), were mercing for months, if not for years, and they never got punished the slightest.
Rules should apply to everyone, no exceptions.
Or else Kabam should set and inform the community on the time line, a TOS violation is erased.
Clear rules for all.
It's like this everywhere not just mcoc . It is the standard process of running something . Not saying he didn't do anything wrong but he said he stopped in late 2015 , that's way before kabam tightened the leash on account sharing .
Let me give you another example like there's a bg points farming thing going on rn , kabam doesn't have anything against it yet. And why won't someone alternate lose and win to get more points . If kabam says something tmr like it's against tos , do take action against anyone who does after that .
People make mistakes and move on from it, I’m absolutely willing to forgive people for mercing or account sharing in the past as long as they realise it was a mistake and haven’t done it since then. KT even speaks out about it now.
I disagree with a fair bit of what he says, I don’t like his completely anti-kabam stance and I think he looks at things too negatively and has a negative impact on the community in that regard. But as for his stance on this whole account sharing/mercing? I think that is a positive impact he has on the game.
Not that it was right to do it at the time, and it was definitely against the rules, but the community had a very different view on account sharing and mercing, so I can see how someone who was ignorant to it doing it without realising the impact and the cheating nature of it.
Not that that makes it ok, but on a scale of how scummy it is - someone knowingly breaking the rules today when the entire community is absolutely against it is very different to someone who picked up the game when it was smaller, less of a community and less of an outlook on mercing and account sharing being a really scummy thing to do.
They are both bad things to do. But if one person did it 7 years ago and has never done it since, and since apologised, accepted it and spoken out about what a bad thing it is to do, it is not a wild concept to still believe it was a bad thing that they did that, but forgive and move on from it.
Bear in mind that this could apply to many people in the community who started the game before the current outlook on breaking TOS is in the game. Some prominent YouTubers (not meant to throw shade, just pointing out we can forgive those people too).
Personal growth is a real thing, and we can disagree with people in one place, agree in another. KT is right to stand up for himself, if Kabam want to ban him they can, but by rights they should ban a whole lot of other people as well.
If he really is sorry he should more than welcome a ban, should he not? Do the crime do the time is the saying no?
Then they cried when people got banned for it.
Implying that breaking the rules is acceptable, is dangerous. Now, I'm not getting into what said person did because I don't care. Although I have no tolerance for cheating. Still, implying it's overlooked and thus allowed is not helpful.
Well that was nicely addressed by Bittersteel earlier and I don’t think I could have said it better myself. It really is this simple. Why would second chances exist if personal growth didn’t?
For sure I can’t stand people who cheat/bot/merc and are downright cowards or crooks, and they all deserve to be punished in a reasonable time frame to the infraction. It’s why I have no issue with Kabam drawing the line at the Adam Warlock and Moondragon arenas. We know it’s been going on for years but it would not be reasonable to ask that the entire history of an account is investigated. What is shameful about that action though is the shortsightedness about the impact of unit farming on other game modes. It’s free potions in AW and AQ, free elders marks for inflating BGs scores, free potions for story content, unit farming devalue the game more that revive farming ever could. Those who were busted should not have been allowed to collect awards in any ongoing competitive content even though a precedent action was set it wasn’t considerate enough to the impact on the player base. The alliances should have been docked all points the cheaters contributed. I’d also like to see AW cheating alliances docked down to stone, it’s silly stupid they still can collect platinum awards, and it just speaks to an insincere approach to the moderation of fair play.
But I diverge quite a bit from my initial point. Very few in the community are as vocally anti-cheating as KT1. And you could argue he does more to push fair play narratives than almost any other YTer. It’s a shame that his past is used to devalue very valuable points in this discussion as I think his story is more akin to a redemption arc, one where someone learned better and adjusted their behavior and I applaud him for being brave enough to share it.
Personally, there are many editorial positions he takes I disagree with, some I agree with, and some, shall we say perspectives that I'm not fond of in general. However, I have nothing personal against him, and in fact I was interviewed by him a few years back and he treated me fairly and respectfully in all respects. My own interactions with him were thoughtful and coherent, and if it isn't obvious that's a compliment coming from me.
In terms of his past, I'm aware of it, and for me personally we're talking about a sufficiently distant past that it isn't something that I really care all that much about today. And even though he has admitted to some or all of it, Kabam doesn't ban players based on testimony alone, not even self-incriminating testimony. They only ban based on evidentiary data, and I don't think at this point anyone is going to be digging up seven year old server logs to target a player that doesn't have current violations detected. They have their hands full punishing players who are cheating now.
While I'm not a Youtuber, I'm probably one of the more recognizable players that doesn't have a Youtube channel. I know what it is like to have people react negatively to me just because they don't like me, or because of some unforgivable sin they think I've failed to atone for. And this is not my first rodeo either. Because of that, I have a policy of giving content creators a relatively wide berth. I do not in general attack them, and in general I rarely even directly react to their content unless prompted to do so. But what I will say here is that as far as KT1 is concerned, people are free to like him or dislike him for whatever reasons they wish. But I am not generally in favor of trying to mass support for attacking another player.
TOS Section 11Accounts don't break rules, people do. Because people play somewhat anonymously most violations are traced to accounts not people, but in theory if they can trace merc activity to a person, and they can trace that person to a game account, they can ban that account even if no TOS violations were directly traced to that account. They have the legal right to simply discontinue service to any account, but they could also procedurally ban that account because the owner of that account was demonstrated to be in violation of the TOS.
All the YouTubers doing that live on stream?
This is personally attacking one of the two of the top ten in BGs who are historical mercs and in game terms, this is ancient history.... When there are a LOT of people in glass houses.
Did he steal your girl, too?
Speaking as someone from the UK:
- The guy has admitted he did wrong
- He's apologised
- He's explained repeatedly why it's wrong
- He's steadfastly been against others doing it
- He's been clean for many years since then
That's frankly better behaviour than our last few prime ministers, so personally I think we should let it go.
I've personally been issued bans in the past, after which I stopped using an emulator, and I haven't been in trouble since. That's how it's supposed to work.
As for KT1, I don't know if he was issued a ban back in the day. Even if he wasn't, I do think that him being open with having merc'd in the past is kind of a self-inflicted punishment in and of itself considering how much flack he always gets from people even after all of these years. I think him being open with it and, in addition, being one of the most staunch anti-cheating youtubers out there counts for a lot. Especially with his past misdeeds being so incredibly far in the past. Seven years was before I even played the game, and I've played the game for a long time. There are actual crimes with shorter statues of limitations.
I'm not saying they need to go back and ban everyone. I just don't care for this idea that cheating is somehow more acceptable because a number of alleged people were doing it.
Cheating is cheating. Some people may have changed, and I'm certainly not going on a witch hunt for the past, but I'm also not going to praise someone as some sort of martyr. You get no pat on the back for deciding to follow the rules in my book. It's what's expected, and it's what the rest of us do.
Came he under the guise of "asking for a friend" to whom you're clearly not but have a vendetta. If you have to craft a story, can't see how you could claim good faith.
You want him to get at least a 7-day ban for an extremely old transgression, for which you can't even be sure he hasn't been punished for - seems rather petty.