Do They Realize Wars That We Can't Do Are Being Counted?

So the last war we were able to complete before the mode went down, we ended in Tier 6. Days later after the mode went down, I just so happened to look and I noticed the alliance is now Tier 8.

Surely this is just a visual thing and when the mode returns, we'll be where we're supposed to be right?

Comments

MrSakuragi

Nobody can participate so you can’t lose any ground. Is your war rating actually being affected?

SirGamesBond

Only tier 5+ alliance's war ratings are locked in off season.

Deacon

Nobody can participate so you can’t lose any ground. Is your war rating actually being affected?

didn't check .. but then I don't really know what it was LOL ... I just looked at the Tier drop.

Deacon

Only tier 5+ alliance's war ratings are locked in off season.

Oh I know but this isn't off season. They literally took the mode down so you can't do any wars. If we simply were choosing not to war, then sure but there is no participation possible.

Deacon

Nobody can participate so you can’t lose any ground. Is your war rating actually being affected?

Ok just checked. War rating hasn't changed so then the tier drop must just be a visual thing??

SummonerNR

There was 4 off-season wars after end of last season, before they disabled wars for a few weeks.
Maybe if you ran them, but didn’t have many participating (or lost anyways), could have affected war rating.

Deacon

There was 4 off-season wars after end of last season, before they disabled wars for a few weeks.
Maybe if you ran them, but didn’t have many participating (or lost anyways), could have affected war rating.

yep I went back in and actually see that they've updated it to read "DISABLED" now ... it never showed that before. although we weren't able to do any war when matchmaking ended a few days ago, it didn't send us into the match .. I guess tier wise it still counted and dropped us down tiers.

no worries .. i would rather have that 3.4 multiplier more than a 3 lol but it is what it is.

SirGamesBond

If you didn't do wars at all during off season, than its more clear now.
The allinces lower than you won their off season wars and went higher tier than yours.

Deacon

If you didn't do wars at all during off season, than its more clear now.
The allinces lower than you won their off season wars and went higher tier than yours.

no no no that's not it lol. after the "official" end of the season, there was no opportunity to do any off season wars because matchmaking was just on a loop .. so it never sent us into any real matches so there were none to do. so maybe that was the issue. other alliances were actually able to do one or two off season wars whereas apparently auto enroll just sent us into loops without ever placing us into any matchups to actually complete. it just kept on matchmaking never getting into any defender phase.

MrSakuragi

If you didn't do wars at all during off season, than its more clear now.
The allinces lower than you won their off season wars and went higher tier than yours.
no no no that's not it lol. after the "official" end of the season, there was no opportunity to do any off season wars because matchmaking was just on a loop .. so it never sent us into any real matches so there were none to do. so maybe that was the issue. other alliances were actually able to do one or two off season wars whereas apparently auto enroll just sent us into loops without ever placing us into any matchups to actually complete. it just kept on matchmaking never getting into any defender phase.

There were a handful of off-season matches (maybe 4 or 5)? Before it was taken down/ put into the loop on non-matches.

While you can get jumped here if you’re not tier 1-5, I would be extremely surprised to see a drop from tier 6 to 8 here, given the small number of wars and that since it’s off-season, war rating gains for each war are halved.

I lean more into thinking it’s a mistake or visual error.

SummonerNR

After “official” end of season (on a Tuesday), there were 4 more Wars that DID take place, until the Friday time of the following week when wars were disabled after that.
(although as you said, at that 2nd week Friday time it just appeared to be a “stuck” enlistment failure, and only on Monday did they change the wording to show DISABLED now).

Don’t know why your previous auto-enrollment did not take place for those first 4 off-season wars.

But as for TIER, seems ever more convincing that how Kabam determines the DENOMINATOR (of the % based calculation, your WR placement compared to all other alliances) seems to be based on how many alliances actually PARTICIPATE in either the currency matchmaking war, or the most previous war.

So that when changes from in-season to off-season, and a bunch of alliances STOP doing wars for a couple weeks, that would lower the amount of alliances as the DENOMINATOR, thus lowering the # of alliances that would fall into every TIER. Thus pushing your WR-based (but also % based) Tier down lower.

Deacon

Just an update we've fallen all the way to Tier 22 now LOL ... KABOOM.

I seriously hope that when off season returns next week that we aren't battling our way from Tier 22 back to Tier 6.

SummonerNR

Just an update we've fallen all the way to Tier 22 now LOL ... KABOOM.

I seriously hope that when off season returns next week that we aren't battling our way from Tier 22 back to Tier 6.

Denominator (# of Ally's doing wars) is now ZERO.
So all Ally's are probably all showing as Tier 22 right now (mine showing Tier 22 right now also).

While this will correct itself automatically by the time 2 week preseason is over (and actual season starts), they will (should) indeed have to manually fix it for the first war of upcoming preseason in a few days (to force the denominator to some number such as alliances who did wars as of end of last season).
**unless calc is determined upon Matchmaking phase, and not from prev war participation.
And maybe even use that method going forward (using final # of alliances at end of a season for the corse of the tier calc during whole off-season)

AverageDesi

Wait, how did you change your name

Deacon

Just an update we've fallen all the way to Tier 22 now LOL ... KABOOM.

I seriously hope that when off season returns next week that we aren't battling our way from Tier 22 back to Tier 6.
Denominator (# of Ally's doing wars) is now ZERO.
So all Ally's are probably all showing as Tier 22 right now (mine showing Tier 22 right now also).

While this will correct itself automatically by the time 2 week preseason is over (and actual season starts), they will (should) indeed have to manually fix it for the first war of upcoming preseason in a few days (to force the denominator to some number such as alliances who did wars as of end of last season).
**unless calc is determined upon Matchmaking phase, and not from prev war participation.
And maybe even use that method going forward (using final # of alliances at end of a season for the corse of the tier calc during whole off-season)

thanks Summoner! I'm banking on your insight and you being correct on this lol because it will definitely SUCK if we have to run Tier 22 back.

Deacon

Wait, how did you change your name

normally i wouldn't give out such vital information to my nemesis (lol jk mate)

I just submitted a formal request to line things up with my in game name and Kabam said cool.

MrSakuragi

Should correct itself, war ratings are unchanged

Manup456

Come on guys what was the last thing Kabam released or has done that hasn’t been bugged why get surprised. Content, Events, Champs and pretty much everything has all been bugged month after month it’s normal. When things are working as they should is when we should be surprised but that won’t happen.