Addressing Mythic Crystal Issue (1250 Crystals instead of Shards)

I have no clue what happened but I just know it’s a right mess

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That's an odd comparison. It doesn't even fall under the definition of a bug or exploit. People honestly completed the quest and got the rewards that were written there, and opened crystals, which is also not something criminal. On the gameplay side they are done exactly how this game should be played.

It's more like when marketplaces have sellers putting up items for 1$ instead of 1k$. Once you pay and get a check, there is no way a court ever side with the seller in such a situation

DrZola

I have to be honest—I have no idea what’s going on here. I ran the highest difficulty SQ and completed all the paths in one go, adding all the selectors (except for a T5c selector that never popped up) and the 6* AG to inventory.

Was this intended? Is this even the same issue? Also, I know things glitch, but when I have an hour to drop in on a new SQ, should I really have to scour everywhere to see what was intended and what wasn’t? Not trying to bust you or anyone else, but there have been so many different SQ formats it’s hard to tell what’s intended.

Dr. Zola

MasterA

How could this even happen? Surely someone would’ve checked this

GinjabredMonsta

🤨

RiasGremory

Yes but my question was about the extreme rare immortal iron fist , and not about things you can get 24/7

Polygon

Can't they just do a rollback to a previous time in history for those players confirmed of opening the crystals?

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cur53d

Maybe I was brought up differently. I know I'm old but when I was a kid I was taught not to take things that aren't mine or I didn't earn. This was an obvious mistake. Same as a million dollars showing up at my door. It's not mine. I even turned in a $20 bill I found at the self checkout at the grocery store a few weeks ago. It wasn't mine.

Mike_II

it would be great to have an idea on how long sorting this will take and also if we can play the game, i don't wanna get any rewards if there is a chance they are rolled back because of this
something tells me not even kabam knows if this is fixable at this point in time lol

MasterA

DNA3000

No one is arguing that players who claimed the rewards should get banned. That's not an exploitive behavior. But actually opening the crystals is both exploitive and potentially bannable behavior, and yes this also happens in the real world. Most states in the US do not have finders keepers laws. If you do not take reasonable steps to locate the owner of found property you could be in violation of the law. Moreover the situation you're describing is even more cut and dried: if a million dollars shows up on your doorstep due to "a mailing error" then you wouldn't be the addressee. Spending that money would be a crime in almost every state in the US (and in most other jurisdictions as well), and subject you to both civil and criminal penalties. You're supposed to know better, and saying "wasn't my error so too bad" in court is unlikely to be considered a reasonable defense.

You can't be responsible for other people's errors, so it is not a crime to receive a million dollars through no fault of your own. But you are not legally allowed to exploit other people's errors just because they are other people's errors: that can and often is a crime. It would be better if people learned such life lessons in the context of a video game first, before they find themselves just in jail, wondering why their internet logic didn't help them.

ISO17

Damn, missed it. This could’ve solved my gold drought 🫤

Arrës

hello will there be compensation for players who have not opened the crystals?

ItsClobberinTime

You'd have to be incredibly stupid to spend money that you know doesn't belong to you (especially such a high amount), any person with three brain cells would try to give it back and find an actual solution. What were you even thinking when you came up with this example my guy? Lol

Shake_a_Quake

Wait something isnt adding up? You can only do one path per day, right? My next token for side quest has been locked for 22 hours now. Or is this a level based thing...?

Navieen

Have a good think about what you just said.

Coppin

As coherent as you are in most of your posts... opening more than 1 is already a problem and just unfair...

DNA3000

In theory, yes. But there are lots of side effects to roll backs you'd have to consider, and just the time to *think* about them, much less do anything about them, can be more time consuming than just hand fixing the accounts.

Remember that "an account" is a set of data about the current state of an account. But that data exists within the context of the game environment which is separate from that account. When you roll back a single account (as opposed to the entire game) what's going to happen when the game sees an account that apparently just appears from out of nowhere from a day in the past? How does that affect timed events? Previously claimed rewards? It sounds pretty straight forward, but I've seen some very wonky things happen to game accounts that have been reverted to prior backups in other games. It is generally a last resort kind of thing.

I don't know how to explain this without tossing in a little bit of techno-speak, but forward chaining fixes tend to be a lot safer than backchaining ones. If you and I sit down and try to figure out all the things that can change when someone opens a mythic crystal, we are thinking about working forward from opening one crystal to all the effects that can cause. And then from those effects to other effects and so on. I'm sure we could come up with a complete list we are pretty confident about in a few minutes. However, if we were to try to go in reverse, say we were to ask the question "how many ways are there to change the amount of gold a player has" we now have to try to work backwards to figure out all the ways we can arrive at a change in gold. That's a lot harder, and it is difficult to know when we have them all. Figuring out what happens during a rollback is more of a reverse-thinking thing than a forward-thinking thing, and that makes it more likely to go awry (the question would essentially be: when we roll back all this account state, what things could have changed that state during the rollback period that will not automatically be corrected for when the account resynchronizes with the game environment?)

For example, it took all the way from when I started writing this post to two sentences ago for me to realize one of the things you'd have to do when performing a roll back is to check purchase history. Because if you roll an account back to before a purchase, that purchase will have no practical way to be rolled back into the account automatically. It would have to be done manually, and since it involves cash it would be extremely bad if this step was not performed properly. What else might I not have thought of yet?

DNA3000

Opening even one of them is problematic. However, I was responding to a player wondering if it was safe to play, and addressing the difference between claiming crystals and opening them. It was not my intent to imply that there was some amount of crystals below which its all perfectly fine.

TheAntiSaint

The point is its a trap. Doesn’t matter how stupid or smart you are, you got set up for failure. That was the point of the example, and im saying kabam is wrong for that, and wish they would acknowledge that. They set this trap previously as well and banned players the same.

TheAntiSaint

Also look how many people opened the crystals. Apparently everyone was just dumb for getting suckered by kabam.

DNA3000

I was taught similarly. There have been many times packages have been misdelivered to my address. In the modern era with half of all mail being someone's Amazon orders, this isn't a rare thing. When it is wildly misdelivered I return it to the postal system. When it is a slight misdelivery - i.e. the correct address is in my neighborhood - I simply make an attempt to contact the original addressee to claim the package or deliver it to them myself. It would never occur to me to consider a misdelivered package to be a kind of free reward.

ChaosMax1012

Sounds to me you just took the point too literally rather than for what it is lol. Always some meat munchers for kabam i swear breh

DNA3000

It was not a trap, it was a mistake. Such mistakes should be avoided to the best extent possible, but they happen all the time. And when they happen, people are expected to react responsibly. And if they don't, as I mentioned previously, they can be penalized for that lack of judicious behavior.

Kabam made a mistake for which they are responsible. But players attempting to exploit those mistakes are making their own error in judgement for which they are solely responsible.

ChaosMax1012

Aye but atleast @Kabam Miike is actually communicating ngl.

Nah they knew what they was doing lol.

DNA3000

Anyone who opened those crystals thinking that was actually the appropriate reward and not completely broken is either a) too young to agree to the TOS or b) too dumb to know how to unlock smartphones.

The majority were not too dumb to understand the rewards were broken, they were smart enough to understand the rewards were broken but thought it was worth the risk to open them. That's a calculation, not stupidity. It is, however, poor judgment.

ChaosMax1012

Breh just work for kabam already instead of making life easier for them lol.

Go_To

You have any update for us regarding the 7 day solo event? We’ve tagged you multiple times there yet you’re content to just ignore everyone in it, obviously your around so why can’t you guys send ou this solution that you had locked and loaded

ItsClobberinTime

I didn't take anything literally, he's comparing a situation to another one to prove a point "breh" and the truth is, only a troglodyte would do that. The fact that you're sucking off the guy that came up with that incredibly moronic comparison is embarrassing "breh".

DUHveed

Just as an aside, opening US mail when you are not the addressee is federal crime