I’ve used Zemo for a bit, and he always locked sp1 and sp2 while the opponent was rooted, so I thought it was intentional for the sp3 as well. Honestly, I think that the lock was a pretty essential part of what made him decent in the first place.
Kraven's abilities says rooted champ activating a special removes root.
Don’t talk if you haven’t played him please they’re still even now special 1 and 2 locked, this is not helping the conversation, with this patch they allowed opponents to use a special 3 out of nowhere, 2 years later.
Sounds like Kraven was bugged and because almost no one uses him as an attacker, the bug was likely considered low priority and just now fixed. Whether this gets you a RDT, not sure. Doubt it.
Also -- never ever fool yourself that you can get me to shut up, bub, because you'll only get the opposite.
You don't need special lock to use Kraven or Zemo, and because it is not part of their abilities most players were not impacted by this because they were playing them the way they were designed.
Useless comment, bugfixed after two years demands compensation.
I hope you get nothing and cry every night about it.
Ir’s insane to me how people advocate for defenders being able to use specials 1 and 2 to break out of root. That would make any root champ the most useless champ in the game.
I'm sorry but what rule is in place that a defender A.I can't do that a human Attacker can do? Relics are the only thing defenders generally can't do that attackers can. If we can do it, theoretically so can A.I defenders. Do you get this mad when you're parried in game modes like arena, AW or BG's?
They’re special locked during root, still are in this patch, just not for sp3 for some reason. You have no point.
They shouldn't be special locked period unless the kit specifically calls for it. Kraven should say SP3 removes root. As it stands now, no root mechanic should special lock anyone, attacker or defender.
And that's the issue. They are special locked, even though the kit doesn't call for it. Root doesn't define the special lock as existing, so how is anyone supposed to know that it isn't working as intended if the ability itself isn't defined. Unless they visit the forums frequently and happen upon someone talking about this, there's just no way of knowing any of this exists or how it functions.
I am not sure how anyone could not understand something is wrong. I can understand why they wouldn't say anything since it works in their favor.
Because there isn't a description. If it isn't defined, it cannot be wrong or right. The fact that you're okay with MCOC not only having this giant silent nerf, but this silent ability is honestly troubling. The second the community begins allowing silent abilities to exist and go undefined is going to be the second things start going downhill. It's not a bug if the intention isn't defined, straight up.
Ir’s insane to me how people advocate for defenders being able to use specials 1 and 2 to break out of root. That would make any root champ the most useless champ in the game.
I'm sorry but what rule is in place that a defender A.I can't do that a human Attacker can do? Relics are the only thing defenders generally can't do that attackers can. If we can do it, theoretically so can A.I defenders. Do you get this mad when you're parried in game modes like arena, AW or BG's?
They’re special locked during root, still are in this patch, just not for sp3 for some reason. You have no point.
They shouldn't be special locked period unless the kit specifically calls for it. Kraven should say SP3 removes root. As it stands now, no root mechanic should special lock anyone, attacker or defender.
And that's the issue. They are special locked, even though the kit doesn't call for it. Root doesn't define the special lock as existing, so how is anyone supposed to know that it isn't working as intended if the ability itself isn't defined. Unless they visit the forums frequently and happen upon someone talking about this, there's just no way of knowing any of this exists or how it functions.
I am not sure how anyone could not understand something is wrong. I can understand why they wouldn't say anything since it works in their favor.
Because lot of the game is like that. Not everything is mentioned everywhere. Like @GinjabredMonsta said, root seemed to trigger some sort of aggressive AI that forced them to use heavies all the time. That couldn't be a mistake . Especially for 2 whole years. Since they knew this was happening and kept releasing root champions. And when something is the norm , you adapt to it.
Sure the sp3 lock might be a balance issue, but then saying it's not mentioned anywhere in the kit isn't relevant. Because it's AI behaviour. Not Kit specific. If the root forced champions to only throw heavies, Kabam did know about it. And kept throwing more roots into the game.
Ir’s insane to me how people advocate for defenders being able to use specials 1 and 2 to break out of root. That would make any root champ the most useless champ in the game.
I'm sorry but what rule is in place that a defender A.I can't do that a human Attacker can do? Relics are the only thing defenders generally can't do that attackers can. If we can do it, theoretically so can A.I defenders. Do you get this mad when you're parried in game modes like arena, AW or BG's?
They’re special locked during root, still are in this patch, just not for sp3 for some reason. You have no point.
They shouldn't be special locked period unless the kit specifically calls for it. Kraven should say SP3 removes root. As it stands now, no root mechanic should special lock anyone, attacker or defender.
And that's the issue. They are special locked, even though the kit doesn't call for it. Root doesn't define the special lock as existing, so how is anyone supposed to know that it isn't working as intended if the ability itself isn't defined. Unless they visit the forums frequently and happen upon someone talking about this, there's just no way of knowing any of this exists or how it functions.
I am not sure how anyone could not understand something is wrong. I can understand why they wouldn't say anything since it works in their favor.
Because lot of the game is like that. Not everything is mentioned everywhere. Like @GinjabredMonsta said, root seemed to trigger some sort of aggressive AI that forced them to use heavies all the time. That couldn't be a mistake . Especially for 2 whole years. Since they knew this was happening and kept releasing root champions. And when something is the norm , you adapt to it.
Sure the sp3 lock might be a balance issue, but then saying it's not mentioned anywhere in the kit isn't relevant. Because it's AI behaviour. Not Kit specific. If the root forced champions to only throw heavies, Kabam did know about it. And kept throwing more roots into the game.
In one of the videos of KT1
He specifically mentioned a tweet made by an employee at kabam that AI is intended to only throw heavies
Now they're going back on their word with this whole situation
Nagase, a content creator even has a video on this specific thing with 17K views !! which was posted an year ago
Yet they're addressing this only now?? How do you explain that @Demonzfyre
Tomorrow kabam will nerf some other stuff in this game saying it was bugged( obviously because lack of better champ ability description )
If they indicated it's supposed to do that and it isn't, I'd agree. They didn't.
The bottom line is there is no moratorium on bug fixes. Whether it's 5 minutes or 5 years, a bug is a bug. It's been on the Trello board for some time. People fault them for not fixing issues, and they fault them for doing it.
But remember, if it’s a player benefitting bug, then they fix it right away. Since this has been bugged for two years, clearly this must be hurting players and this fix was a good thing 😆
Yes, I never got that whole conspiracy. There is no beneficial bug.
Ir’s insane to me how people advocate for defenders being able to use specials 1 and 2 to break out of root. That would make any root champ the most useless champ in the game.
I'm sorry but what rule is in place that a defender A.I can't do that a human Attacker can do? Relics are the only thing defenders generally can't do that attackers can. If we can do it, theoretically so can A.I defenders. Do you get this mad when you're parried in game modes like arena, AW or BG's?
They’re special locked during root, still are in this patch, just not for sp3 for some reason. You have no point.
They shouldn't be special locked period unless the kit specifically calls for it. Kraven should say SP3 removes root. As it stands now, no root mechanic should special lock anyone, attacker or defender.
And that's the issue. They are special locked, even though the kit doesn't call for it. Root doesn't define the special lock as existing, so how is anyone supposed to know that it isn't working as intended if the ability itself isn't defined. Unless they visit the forums frequently and happen upon someone talking about this, there's just no way of knowing any of this exists or how it functions.
I am not sure how anyone could not understand something is wrong. I can understand why they wouldn't say anything since it works in their favor.
Because lot of the game is like that. Not everything is mentioned everywhere. Like @GinjabredMonsta said, root seemed to trigger some sort of aggressive AI that forced them to use heavies all the time. That couldn't be a mistake . Especially for 2 whole years. Since they knew this was happening and kept releasing root champions. And when something is the norm , you adapt to it.
Sure the sp3 lock might be a balance issue, but then saying it's not mentioned anywhere in the kit isn't relevant. Because it's AI behaviour. Not Kit specific. If the root forced champions to only throw heavies, Kabam did know about it. And kept throwing more roots into the game.
In one of the videos of KT1
He specifically mentioned a tweet made by an employee at kabam that AI is intended to only throw heavies
Now they're going back on their word with this whole situation
Nagase, a content creator even has a video on this specific thing with 17K views !! which was posted an year ago
Yet they're addressing this only now?? How do you explain that @Demonzfyre
It’s just sad for me, I won’t be able to play my favourite champs anymore… now they’re just husks of what they used to be…
People are really acting like this is 12.0 for no reason.
Root isn't even a part of those champions kits if we are being technical here. The use of the root mechanic is. Root is a game mechanic which is able to be triggered by certain champions who can then manipulate it themselves. Their kits to use the Root mechanic and manipulate it are staying exactly the same as they were before.
Just like how some champions are able to use the parry mastery in their kits. If parry is changed it doesn't mean they are nerfing the Champs
People are really acting like this is 12.0 for no reason.
Root isn't even a part of those champions kits if we are being technical here. The use of the root mechanic is. Root is a game mechanic which is able to be triggered by certain champions who can then manipulate it themselves. Their kits to use the Root mechanic and manipulate it are staying exactly the same as they were before
People are really acting like this is 12.0 for no reason.
Root isn't even a part of those champions kits if we are being technical here. The use of the root mechanic is. Root is a game mechanic which is able to be triggered by certain champions who can then manipulate it themselves. Their kits to use the Root mechanic and manipulate it are staying exactly the same as they were before.
Just like how some champions are able to use the parry mastery in their kits. If parry is changed it doesn't mean they are nerfing the Champs
i agree on the rank down ticket but because i fell for karatemikes hype, zemo big suck :’(
Me: "Hey guys Zemo is my favorite champion and these are the cool things he can do"
People: "WOW I FELL FOR HYPE"
Anyone who thinks Zemo "big sucks" straight up does not know how to utilize him properly, but hey - everyone is 100% entitled to their opinion.
As for the Special 3 situation - the "zemo lock" became extremely exploitable with the relic striker - he could in theory just keep the opponent locked forever. That's kinda silly. His damage is lower than if you just play him properly though, so I never play him this way - and I use him for pretty much everything.
Kraven on the other hand was kinda nuts with the striker lock, he's still a fun Champ, but he's much more of a "push the defender to SP3" champ even without the relic since you NEED to stay ultra-aggressive so his bleeds don't fall off. I'm still holding out hope for a little Kraven value buff.
Speaking of silly special locks from relics though, most Champions who could stun on their Special 1 could kinda do the same thing with proper combo management, not sure if there's a way to adjust that though. Turns out strikers are pretty busted sometimes.
i agree on the rank down ticket but because i fell for karatemikes hype, zemo big suck :’(
Me: "Hey guys Zemo is my favorite champion and these are the cool things he can do"
People: "WOW I FELL FOR HYPE"
Anyone who thinks Zemo "big sucks" straight up does not know how to utilize him properly, but hey - everyone is 100% entitled to their opinion.
As for the Special 3 situation - the "zemo lock" became extremely exploitable with the relic striker - he could in theory just keep the opponent locked forever. That's kinda silly. His damage is lower than if you just play him properly though, so I never play him this way - and I use him for pretty much everything.
Kraven on the other hand was kinda nuts with the striker lock, he's still a fun Champ, but he's much more of a "push the defender to SP3" champ even without the relic since you NEED to stay ultra-aggressive so his bleeds don't fall off. I'm still holding out hope for a little Kraven value buff.
Speaking of silly special locks from relics though, most Champions who could stun on their Special 1 could kinda do the same thing with proper combo management, not sure if there's a way to adjust that though. Turns out strikers are pretty busted sometimes.
Was it intended for Root to special lock champions (by proxy of making them only throw heavies)? Is it a root thing or an AI thing? Kabam did know that it was happening when they made more root champs yes?
Is it intended now that they are special 1&2 locked?
People are really acting like this is 12.0 for no reason.
Root isn't even a part of those champions kits if we are being technical here. The use of the root mechanic is. Root is a game mechanic which is able to be triggered by certain champions who can then manipulate it themselves. Their kits to use the Root mechanic and manipulate it are staying exactly the same as they were before.
Just like how some champions are able to use the parry mastery in their kits. If parry is changed it doesn't mean they are nerfing the Champs
Using your logic, the problem isn't with their kits. It's with Root itself. There is still a problem.
Root is not defined to have this special lock, and therefore, claiming "it's not working as intended" on an ability with no defined intentions doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
The difference is, Parry is defined. This Special Lock is not. If Kabam suddenly decides to nerf Parry due to a bug, we would at least know what the original Parry was supposed to do. We have no idea what their intentions with this Special Lock were because it literally isn't mentioned anywhere.
Tomorrow kabam will nerf some other stuff in this game saying it was bugged( obviously because lack of better champ ability description )
If they indicated it's supposed to do that and it isn't, I'd agree. They didn't.
The bottom line is there is no moratorium on bug fixes. Whether it's 5 minutes or 5 years, a bug is a bug. It's been on the Trello board for some time. People fault them for not fixing issues, and they fault them for doing it.
You are aware how much of an impact this "fix" has on Kraven, aren’t you? He is unusable now, just so you know, his rotation gone. I’m not against fixing a bug, I’m for keeping things player friendly, but some of you don’t even understand that, that’s why you ask for defenders to be able to remove root with sp1 and 2…
I'm sorry, does he just stand there and not move now?
i agree on the rank down ticket but because i fell for karatemikes hype, zemo big suck :’(
Me: "Hey guys Zemo is my favorite champion and these are the cool things he can do"
People: "WOW I FELL FOR HYPE"
Anyone who thinks Zemo "big sucks" straight up does not know how to utilize him properly, but hey - everyone is 100% entitled to their opinion.
As for the Special 3 situation - the "zemo lock" became extremely exploitable with the relic striker - he could in theory just keep the opponent locked forever. That's kinda silly. His damage is lower than if you just play him properly though, so I never play him this way - and I use him for pretty much everything.
Kraven on the other hand was kinda nuts with the striker lock, he's still a fun Champ, but he's much more of a "push the defender to SP3" champ even without the relic since you NEED to stay ultra-aggressive so his bleeds don't fall off. I'm still holding out hope for a little Kraven value buff.
Speaking of silly special locks from relics though, most Champions who could stun on their Special 1 could kinda do the same thing with proper combo management, not sure if there's a way to adjust that though. Turns out strikers are pretty busted sometimes.
Kraven’s value is zero now. That alone demands a rank down ticket for him. And to be honest, you’re right, this is the striker’s fault, but then why demolish these champs, they’re just bad now and they’re still planning to nerf Zemo even more hahaha
I’ve used Zemo for a bit, and he always locked sp1 and sp2 while the opponent was rooted, so I thought it was intentional for the sp3 as well. Honestly, I think that the lock was a pretty essential part of what made him decent in the first place.
I've used Baron Zemo, and he's never special locked the Opponent (I even looked at this 2 month old youtube guide from MetalSonic to check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_TuR1Ix8Ng ). The bar of power never changes color. Their AI changes to just throw heavies when Rooted, but nothing specifically changes with regarding to bar of power or their ability to reach SP3. When I face a Defender Baron Zemo, I am able to use my specials as I want normally as well.
To OP - Why are you leaving out Spider-man Supreme? Don't you want a Rank Down Ticket for him as well?
I’ve used Zemo for a bit, and he always locked sp1 and sp2 while the opponent was rooted, so I thought it was intentional for the sp3 as well. Honestly, I think that the lock was a pretty essential part of what made him decent in the first place.
I've used Baron Zemo, and he's never special locked the Opponent (I even looked at this 2 month old youtube guide from MetalSonic to check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_TuR1Ix8Ng ). The bar of power never changes color. Their AI changes to just throw heavies when Rooted, but nothing specifically changes with regarding to bar of power or their ability to reach SP3. When I face a Defender Baron Zemo, I am able to use my specials as I want normally as well.
To OP - Why are you leaving out Spider-man Supreme? Don't you want a Rank Down Ticket for him as well?
I mentioned him, but the impact is far far less on his kit, also, the bars of power were special locked as of last month’s patch, all three of them.
This was an interesting read. I agree with or they can thrown all specials while rooted or none. Only able to throw sp3 is weird. Or specify per champion kit what the root does for that champion. One can only dream.
I also agree with rank down tickets unless they announce a buff for him right now that makes him useable again. My 2 cents
This was an interesting read. I agree with or they can thrown all specials while rooted or none. Only able to throw sp3 is weird. Or specify per champion kit what the root does for that champion. One can only dream.
I also agree with rank down tickets unless they announce a buff for him right now that makes him useable again. My 2 cents
Yeah, both Kraven and Zemo need a buff now, went from powerhouses in my honest opinion to absolute duds… which hurts more than just having good champs, I raked them up because they’re fun not for their power, now their main offensive tool is potentially dangerous if the opponent has power gain haha, you’re basically adding all or nothing to your matchup :,)
This was an interesting read. I agree with or they can thrown all specials while rooted or none. Only able to throw sp3 is weird. Or specify per champion kit what the root does for that champion. One can only dream.
I also agree with rank down tickets unless they announce a buff for him right now that makes him useable again. My 2 cents
Yeah, both Kraven and Zemo need a buff now, went from powerhouses in my honest opinion to absolute duds…
… This change is significant enough to turn them into bad champions so I want…..
Totally agree. Zemo is on par with Groot, Moon Knight and Iron Patriot. It’s scandalous! An outrage!
Seriously. Stop it. Just…..stop.
Compares him to 2015 champions…
No. I compared him to what are widely considered bad champs - which is exactly what you said in your post. Don’t throw around hyperbole and then get all tiffy when people call you out.
… This change is significant enough to turn them into bad champions so I want…..
Totally agree. Zemo is on par with Groot, Moon Knight and Iron Patriot. It’s scandalous! An outrage!
Seriously. Stop it. Just…..stop.
Compares him to 2015 champions…
No. I compared him to what are widely considered bad champs - which is exactly what you said in your post. Don’t throw around hyperbole and then get all tiffy when people call you out.
… This change is significant enough to turn them into bad champions so I want…..
Totally agree. Zemo is on par with Groot, Moon Knight and Iron Patriot. It’s scandalous! An outrage!
Seriously. Stop it. Just…..stop.
Compares him to 2015 champions…
No. I compared him to what are widely considered bad champs - which is exactly what you said in your post. Don’t throw around hyperbole and then get all tiffy when people call you out.
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Sure the sp3 lock might be a balance issue, but then saying it's not mentioned anywhere in the kit isn't relevant. Because it's AI behaviour. Not Kit specific. If the root forced champions to only throw heavies, Kabam did know about it. And kept throwing more roots into the game.
In one of the videos of KT1
He specifically mentioned a tweet made by an employee at kabam that AI is intended to only throw heavies
Now they're going back on their word with this whole situation
Nagase, a content creator even has a video on this specific thing with 17K views !! which was posted an year ago
Yet they're addressing this only now?? How do you explain that @Demonzfyre
Root isn't even a part of those champions kits if we are being technical here. The use of the root mechanic is. Root is a game mechanic which is able to be triggered by certain champions who can then manipulate it themselves. Their kits to use the Root mechanic and manipulate it are staying exactly the same as they were before.
Just like how some champions are able to use the parry mastery in their kits. If parry is changed it doesn't mean they are nerfing the Champs
People: "WOW I FELL FOR HYPE"
Anyone who thinks Zemo "big sucks" straight up does not know how to utilize him properly, but hey - everyone is 100% entitled to their opinion.
As for the Special 3 situation - the "zemo lock" became extremely exploitable with the relic striker - he could in theory just keep the opponent locked forever. That's kinda silly.
His damage is lower than if you just play him properly though, so I never play him this way - and I use him for pretty much everything.
Kraven on the other hand was kinda nuts with the striker lock, he's still a fun Champ, but he's much more of a "push the defender to SP3" champ even without the relic since you NEED to stay ultra-aggressive so his bleeds don't fall off.
I'm still holding out hope for a little Kraven value buff.
Speaking of silly special locks from relics though, most Champions who could stun on their Special 1 could kinda do the same thing with proper combo management, not sure if there's a way to adjust that though.
Turns out strikers are pretty busted sometimes.
Is it intended now that they are special 1&2 locked?
Root is not defined to have this special lock, and therefore, claiming "it's not working as intended" on an ability with no defined intentions doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
The difference is, Parry is defined. This Special Lock is not. If Kabam suddenly decides to nerf Parry due to a bug, we would at least know what the original Parry was supposed to do. We have no idea what their intentions with this Special Lock were because it literally isn't mentioned anywhere.
To OP - Why are you leaving out Spider-man Supreme? Don't you want a Rank Down Ticket for him as well?
I also agree with rank down tickets unless they announce a buff for him right now that makes him useable again. My 2 cents
Seriously. Stop it. Just…..stop.
Kraven, well lol