Rank down tickets for Zemo and Kraven…

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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,553 ★★★★★

    5th said:

    Tomorrow kabam will nerf some other stuff in this game saying it was bugged( obviously because lack of better champ ability description )

    If they indicated it's supposed to do that and it isn't, I'd agree. They didn't.

    The bottom line is there is no moratorium on bug fixes. Whether it's 5 minutes or 5 years, a bug is a bug. It's been on the Trello board for some time.
    People fault them for not fixing issues, and they fault them for doing it.
    But remember, if it’s a player benefitting bug, then they fix it right away. Since this has been bugged for two years, clearly this must be hurting players and this fix was a good thing 😆
    Yes, I never got that whole conspiracy. There is no beneficial bug.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,520 ★★★★★
    edited July 2023
    People are really acting like this is 12.0 for no reason.

    Root isn't even a part of those champions kits if we are being technical here. The use of the root mechanic is. Root is a game mechanic which is able to be triggered by certain champions who can then manipulate it themselves. Their kits to use the Root mechanic and manipulate it are staying exactly the same as they were before.

    Just like how some champions are able to use the parry mastery in their kits. If parry is changed it doesn't mean they are nerfing the Champs
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,520 ★★★★★
    The level of stupid here is reaching dangerous levels
  • AverageDesiAverageDesi Member Posts: 5,260 ★★★★★

    i agree on the rank down ticket but because i fell for karatemikes hype, zemo big suck :’(

    Me: "Hey guys Zemo is my favorite champion and these are the cool things he can do"

    People: "WOW I FELL FOR HYPE"

    Anyone who thinks Zemo "big sucks" straight up does not know how to utilize him properly, but hey - everyone is 100% entitled to their opinion.


    As for the Special 3 situation - the "zemo lock" became extremely exploitable with the relic striker - he could in theory just keep the opponent locked forever. That's kinda silly.
    His damage is lower than if you just play him properly though, so I never play him this way - and I use him for pretty much everything.

    Kraven on the other hand was kinda nuts with the striker lock, he's still a fun Champ, but he's much more of a "push the defender to SP3" champ even without the relic since you NEED to stay ultra-aggressive so his bleeds don't fall off.
    I'm still holding out hope for a little Kraven value buff.

    Speaking of silly special locks from relics though, most Champions who could stun on their Special 1 could kinda do the same thing with proper combo management, not sure if there's a way to adjust that though.
    Turns out strikers are pretty busted sometimes.
    Was it intended for Root to special lock champions (by proxy of making them only throw heavies)? Is it a root thing or an AI thing? Kabam did know that it was happening when they made more root champs yes?

    Is it intended now that they are special 1&2 locked?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,553 ★★★★★

    5th said:

    Tomorrow kabam will nerf some other stuff in this game saying it was bugged( obviously because lack of better champ ability description )

    If they indicated it's supposed to do that and it isn't, I'd agree. They didn't.

    The bottom line is there is no moratorium on bug fixes. Whether it's 5 minutes or 5 years, a bug is a bug. It's been on the Trello board for some time.
    People fault them for not fixing issues, and they fault them for doing it.
    You are aware how much of an impact this "fix" has on Kraven, aren’t you? He is unusable now, just so you know, his rotation gone. I’m not against fixing a bug, I’m for keeping things player friendly, but some of you don’t even understand that, that’s why you ask for defenders to be able to remove root with sp1 and 2…
    I'm sorry, does he just stand there and not move now?
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,319 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    The level of stupid here is reaching dangerous levels

    Your* level of stupid

    i agree on the rank down ticket but because i fell for karatemikes hype, zemo big suck :’(

    Me: "Hey guys Zemo is my favorite champion and these are the cool things he can do"

    People: "WOW I FELL FOR HYPE"

    Anyone who thinks Zemo "big sucks" straight up does not know how to utilize him properly, but hey - everyone is 100% entitled to their opinion.


    As for the Special 3 situation - the "zemo lock" became extremely exploitable with the relic striker - he could in theory just keep the opponent locked forever. That's kinda silly.
    His damage is lower than if you just play him properly though, so I never play him this way - and I use him for pretty much everything.

    Kraven on the other hand was kinda nuts with the striker lock, he's still a fun Champ, but he's much more of a "push the defender to SP3" champ even without the relic since you NEED to stay ultra-aggressive so his bleeds don't fall off.
    I'm still holding out hope for a little Kraven value buff.

    Speaking of silly special locks from relics though, most Champions who could stun on their Special 1 could kinda do the same thing with proper combo management, not sure if there's a way to adjust that though.
    Turns out strikers are pretty busted sometimes.
    Kraven’s value is zero now. That alone demands a rank down ticket for him. And to be honest, you’re right, this is the striker’s fault, but then why demolish these champs, they’re just bad now and they’re still planning to nerf Zemo even more hahaha
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,442 ★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    I’ve used Zemo for a bit, and he always locked sp1 and sp2 while the opponent was rooted, so I thought it was intentional for the sp3 as well. Honestly, I think that the lock was a pretty essential part of what made him decent in the first place.

    I've used Baron Zemo, and he's never special locked the Opponent (I even looked at this 2 month old youtube guide from MetalSonic to check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_TuR1Ix8Ng ). The bar of power never changes color. Their AI changes to just throw heavies when Rooted, but nothing specifically changes with regarding to bar of power or their ability to reach SP3. When I face a Defender Baron Zemo, I am able to use my specials as I want normally as well.

    To OP - Why are you leaving out Spider-man Supreme? Don't you want a Rank Down Ticket for him as well?
  • Sw0rdMasterSw0rdMaster Member Posts: 1,791 ★★★★

    Repto23 said:

    You were always supposed to special out of root, so how is this a nerf?

    Not as a defender
    Why not?
  • Repto23 said:

    You were always supposed to special out of root, so how is this a nerf?

    Not as a defender
    Why not?
    We have no idea. The ability doesn't say that this is how it works, but this is how it works.
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,319 ★★★★★
    altavista said:

    Emilia90 said:

    I’ve used Zemo for a bit, and he always locked sp1 and sp2 while the opponent was rooted, so I thought it was intentional for the sp3 as well. Honestly, I think that the lock was a pretty essential part of what made him decent in the first place.

    I've used Baron Zemo, and he's never special locked the Opponent (I even looked at this 2 month old youtube guide from MetalSonic to check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_TuR1Ix8Ng ). The bar of power never changes color. Their AI changes to just throw heavies when Rooted, but nothing specifically changes with regarding to bar of power or their ability to reach SP3. When I face a Defender Baron Zemo, I am able to use my specials as I want normally as well.

    To OP - Why are you leaving out Spider-man Supreme? Don't you want a Rank Down Ticket for him as well?
    I mentioned him, but the impact is far far less on his kit, also, the bars of power were special locked as of last month’s patch, all three of them.
  • Sw0rdMasterSw0rdMaster Member Posts: 1,791 ★★★★

    Repto23 said:

    You were always supposed to special out of root, so how is this a nerf?

    Not as a defender
    Why not?
    We have no idea. The ability doesn't say that this is how it works, but this is how it works.
    Would be nice if kabam can clarify on why defenders previously never threw specials and why they have to change it now.
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,319 ★★★★★

    This was an interesting read. I agree with or they can thrown all specials while rooted or none. Only able to throw sp3 is weird. Or specify per champion kit what the root does for that champion. One can only dream.

    I also agree with rank down tickets unless they announce a buff for him right now that makes him useable again. My 2 cents

    Yeah, both Kraven and Zemo need a buff now, went from powerhouses in my honest opinion to absolute duds… which hurts more than just having good champs, I raked them up because they’re fun not for their power, now their main offensive tool is potentially dangerous if the opponent has power gain haha, you’re basically adding all or nothing to your matchup :,)
  • Vance2_jrVance2_jr Member Posts: 751 ★★★
    edited July 2023

    … This change is significant enough to turn them into bad champions so I want…..

    Totally agree. Zemo is on par with Groot, Moon Knight and Iron Patriot. It’s scandalous! An outrage!


    Seriously. Stop it. Just…..stop.
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,319 ★★★★★
    Vance2_jr said:

    … This change is significant enough to turn them into bad champions so I want…..

    Totally agree. Zemo is on par with Groot, Moon Knight and Iron Patriot. It’s scandalous! An outrage!


    Seriously. Stop it. Just…..stop.
    Compares him to 2015 champions…
  • Vance2_jr said:

    Vance2_jr said:

    … This change is significant enough to turn them into bad champions so I want…..

    Totally agree. Zemo is on par with Groot, Moon Knight and Iron Patriot. It’s scandalous! An outrage!


    Seriously. Stop it. Just…..stop.
    Compares him to 2015 champions…
    No. I compared him to what are widely considered bad champs - which is exactly what you said in your post. Don’t throw around hyperbole and then get all tiffy when people call you out.
    To be fair... They are all 2015 champions
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,319 ★★★★★
    Vance2_jr said:

    Vance2_jr said:

    … This change is significant enough to turn them into bad champions so I want…..

    Totally agree. Zemo is on par with Groot, Moon Knight and Iron Patriot. It’s scandalous! An outrage!


    Seriously. Stop it. Just…..stop.
    Compares him to 2015 champions…
    No. I compared him to what are widely considered bad champs - which is exactly what you said in your post. Don’t throw around hyperbole and then get all tiffy when people call you out.
    Compare him to what he used to be.
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