It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.
First of all, I thought you said you were done.
Second, like I said Kabam could still counter Zemo in a variety of ways without nerfing the root lock. They could have champions that are root immune, or they could have champions/nodes that could reduce opponent's combat power rate while rooted, or champions/nodes that steal power when they're rooted. They've done such things with the Doom cycle. It's not even like Zemo was a broken champion like Doom, he doesn't even hit that hard. I'm not even a game designer and I could think of three ways off the top of my head to counter the Zemo lock without nerfing root, I'm sure if Kabam who are paying designers to design content could easily think of more ways to counter it if they actually want.
It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.
First of all, I thought you said you were done.
Second, like I said Kabam could still counter Zemo in a variety of ways without nerfing the root lock. They could have champions that are root immune, or they could have champions/nodes that could reduce opponent's combat power rate while rooted, or champions/nodes that steal power when they're rooted. They've done such things with the Doom cycle. It's not even like Zemo was a broken champion like Doom, he doesn't even hit that hard. I'm not even a game designer and I could think of three ways off the top of my head to counter the Zemo lock without nerfing root, I'm sure if Kabam who are paying designers to design content could easily think of more ways to counter it if they actually want.
Lol true, any form of power manipulation and he’s out of the picture.
It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.
That’s just wrong, unless you Zemo is rank 5 you cannot do it indefinetly, rank 4 Zemo could do 300k hp max and don’t you dare say that the lock rotation was EASY. It wasn’t. It was stressful and the smallest mistake leads to getting hit in the face by an sp3. I practiced hours to get it down fairly consistently and it still resulted in failure many times because the AI would block the first hit instead of heavy attacking. STOP TALKING ABOUT CHAMPIONS YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED AND ROTATIONS YOU HAVEN’T USED!!!
How long do you think before people catch on and duplicate it? Do you think you're the only one capable of it? Come on, you're smart. This community catches on quickly, and R5s are becoming more common. The last thing you want is a Champ that can plow through any new content, especially longer content and harder content. I appreciate that you feel upset by this, but I think you're minimizing the issue.
@ZeroFrostNinja said it perfectly, there are many things holding him back from using this rotation, it’s in no way broken. Also, why are they nerfing his matchup with Claire Voyant? Doesn’t Doom have matchups like OG Thor and many other champs where he can just spam heavies in the corner until they’re dead? Where’s the logic there?
My point is that given how the Doom cycle is working as intended and how there are a lot of people who took up Doom just because they love his cycle, and given that Zemo's kit is mediocre at best without the root lock, it does not seem out of the ordinary for people to take up Zemo for the sole purpose of his root lock rotation having assumed the rotation was intended. And since many ranked him up after the balance update was posted and there was no mention of the root lock being bugged there, it doesn't seem unreasonable for people to look at the situation and think their resources were wasted by this change and want some sort of compensation in return.
It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.
That’s just wrong, unless you Zemo is rank 5 you cannot do it indefinetly, rank 4 Zemo could do 300k hp max and don’t you dare say that the lock rotation was EASY. It wasn’t. It was stressful and the smallest mistake leads to getting hit in the face by an sp3. I practiced hours to get it down fairly consistently and it still resulted in failure many times because the AI would block the first hit instead of heavy attacking. STOP TALKING ABOUT CHAMPIONS YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED AND ROTATIONS YOU HAVEN’T USED!!!
How long do you think before people catch on and duplicate it? Do you think you're the only one capable of it? Come on, you're smart. This community catches on quickly, and R5s are becoming more common. The last thing you want is a Champ that can plow through any new content, especially longer content and harder content. I appreciate that you feel upset by this, but I think you're minimizing the issue.
@ZeroFrostNinja said it perfectly, there are many things holding him back from using this rotation, it’s in no way broken. Also, why are they nerfing his matchup with Claire Voyant? Doesn’t Doom have matchups like OG Thor and many other champs where he can just spam heavies in the corner until they’re dead? Where’s the logic there?
I know you're passionate but it would be helpful to stay on root lock topic.
At least nerfing the Clair Voyant matchup was done through the appropriate channels in the balance update. Champs are expected to have such changes and while I also agree that those changes don't really seem necessary on Zemo, at least they were announced in the balance update on the expected 3-month window.
This root lock nerf on the other hand was not done in this expected window nor was it announced through the proper communication channels.
It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.
That’s just wrong, unless you Zemo is rank 5 you cannot do it indefinetly, rank 4 Zemo could do 300k hp max and don’t you dare say that the lock rotation was EASY. It wasn’t. It was stressful and the smallest mistake leads to getting hit in the face by an sp3. I practiced hours to get it down fairly consistently and it still resulted in failure many times because the AI would block the first hit instead of heavy attacking. STOP TALKING ABOUT CHAMPIONS YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED AND ROTATIONS YOU HAVEN’T USED!!!
How long do you think before people catch on and duplicate it? Do you think you're the only one capable of it? Come on, you're smart. This community catches on quickly, and R5s are becoming more common. The last thing you want is a Champ that can plow through any new content, especially longer content and harder content. I appreciate that you feel upset by this, but I think you're minimizing the issue.
@ZeroFrostNinja said it perfectly, there are many things holding him back from using this rotation, it’s in no way broken. Also, why are they nerfing his matchup with Claire Voyant? Doesn’t Doom have matchups like OG Thor and many other champs where he can just spam heavies in the corner until they’re dead? Where’s the logic there?
I know you're passionate but it would be helpful to stay on root lock topic.
At least nerfing the Clair Voyant matchup was done through the appropriate channels in the balance update. Champs are expected to have such changes and while I also agree that those changes don't really seem necessary on Zemo, at least they were announced in the balance update on the expected 3-month window.
This root lock nerf on the other hand was not done in this expected window nor was it announced through the proper communication channels.
Yea, but we’re beating a dead horse for Grounded wisdom here, I think everyone else understands at this point lol
I'm just gonna stay quiet about some things cause then I end up being accused of provoking... My main issue with this is not only the timing of the change; its the mains of communication... Trello boards really?.. so far for Kabam. Titan crystal votes on Twitter Bugs on Trello Boards Live stream on Twitch What is next? Deep dives on Tinder?
It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.
First of all, I thought you said you were done.
Second, like I said Kabam could still counter Zemo in a variety of ways without nerfing the root lock. They could have champions that are root immune, or they could have champions/nodes that could reduce opponent's combat power rate while rooted, or champions/nodes that steal power when they're rooted. They've done such things with the Doom cycle. It's not even like Zemo was a broken champion like Doom, he doesn't even hit that hard. I'm not even a game designer and I could think of three ways off the top of my head to counter the Zemo lock without nerfing root, I'm sure if Kabam who are paying designers to design content could easily think of more ways to counter it if they actually want.
You want to design all future content with Root Immunity? Then we would be back here with the same complaint. I'm going to be frank because I'm running out of ways to put it. Anything that can do what he did is OP. Too OP. Feel free to agree or disagree, but it was.
Lots of people here that dont know how to play zemo properly and cheesed tf out of him. Kraven isnt going to be affected much either considering his insanely high dps and he reduces combat power rate by up to 50%
It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.
That’s just wrong, unless you Zemo is rank 5 you cannot do it indefinetly, rank 4 Zemo could do 300k hp max and don’t you dare say that the lock rotation was EASY. It wasn’t. It was stressful and the smallest mistake leads to getting hit in the face by an sp3. I practiced hours to get it down fairly consistently and it still resulted in failure many times because the AI would block the first hit instead of heavy attacking. STOP TALKING ABOUT CHAMPIONS YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED AND ROTATIONS YOU HAVEN’T USED!!!
How long do you think before people catch on and duplicate it? Do you think you're the only one capable of it? Come on, you're smart. This community catches on quickly, and R5s are becoming more common. The last thing you want is a Champ that can plow through any new content, especially longer content and harder content. I appreciate that you feel upset by this, but I think you're minimizing the issue.
@ZeroFrostNinja said it perfectly, there are many things holding him back from using this rotation, it’s in no way broken. Also, why are they nerfing his matchup with Claire Voyant? Doesn’t Doom have matchups like OG Thor and many other champs where he can just spam heavies in the corner until they’re dead? Where’s the logic there?
I know you're passionate but it would be helpful to stay on root lock topic.
At least nerfing the Clair Voyant matchup was done through the appropriate channels in the balance update. Champs are expected to have such changes and while I also agree that those changes don't really seem necessary on Zemo, at least they were announced in the balance update on the expected 3-month window.
This root lock nerf on the other hand was not done in this expected window nor was it announced through the proper communication channels.
Yea, but we’re beating a dead horse for Grounded wisdom here, I think everyone else understands at this point lol
I actually agree with them here. The Root Lock definitely had to change. I know for sure I wouldn't have enjoyed seeing Zemo back a 12 million health pool champion against the wall for 25 minutes (exaggerating, of course) during the next Abyss type content we get. It just wouldn't be interesting. I also don't think the Doom cycle is interesting, but adding another ability just like it is definitely not the way to go. And if they did keep the Zemo Lock, I'd be a lot more worried about your chances for Zemo to show up as a 7* anytime soon.
It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.
That’s just wrong, unless you Zemo is rank 5 you cannot do it indefinetly, rank 4 Zemo could do 300k hp max and don’t you dare say that the lock rotation was EASY. It wasn’t. It was stressful and the smallest mistake leads to getting hit in the face by an sp3. I practiced hours to get it down fairly consistently and it still resulted in failure many times because the AI would block the first hit instead of heavy attacking. STOP TALKING ABOUT CHAMPIONS YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED AND ROTATIONS YOU HAVEN’T USED!!!
How long do you think before people catch on and duplicate it? Do you think you're the only one capable of it? Come on, you're smart. This community catches on quickly, and R5s are becoming more common. The last thing you want is a Champ that can plow through any new content, especially longer content and harder content. I appreciate that you feel upset by this, but I think you're minimizing the issue.
@ZeroFrostNinja said it perfectly, there are many things holding him back from using this rotation, it’s in no way broken. Also, why are they nerfing his matchup with Claire Voyant? Doesn’t Doom have matchups like OG Thor and many other champs where he can just spam heavies in the corner until they’re dead? Where’s the logic there?
I know you're passionate but it would be helpful to stay on root lock topic.
At least nerfing the Clair Voyant matchup was done through the appropriate channels in the balance update. Champs are expected to have such changes and while I also agree that those changes don't really seem necessary on Zemo, at least they were announced in the balance update on the expected 3-month window.
This root lock nerf on the other hand was not done in this expected window nor was it announced through the proper communication channels.
Yea, but we’re beating a dead horse for Grounded wisdom here, I think everyone else understands at this point lol
I actually agree with them here. The Root Lock definitely had to change. I know for sure I wouldn't have enjoyed seeing Zemo back a 12 million health pool champion against the wall for 25 minutes (exaggerating, of course) during the next Abyss type content we get. It just wouldn't be interesting. I also don't think the Doom cycle is interesting, but adding another ability just like it is definitely not the way to go. And if they did keep the Zemo Lock, I'd be a lot more worried about your chances for Zemo to show up as a 7* anytime soon.
I just pointed out the Zemo lock being similar to the Doom cycle to show how there is precedent for some kind of lock rotation to exist in the game. Kabam has every right to take it away if they want, but nobody can look at the Zemo lock and say it's 100% obviously a bug when the Doom cycle exists in the game. I'm just saying people were perfectly within their rights to take up Zemo just for his root lock, and they cannot be accused of knowingly exploiting an obvious cheesy bug because the Doom Cycle that is very similar exists in the game. That cannot be grounds to deny people RDTs is all I'm saying.
It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.
That’s just wrong, unless you Zemo is rank 5 you cannot do it indefinetly, rank 4 Zemo could do 300k hp max and don’t you dare say that the lock rotation was EASY. It wasn’t. It was stressful and the smallest mistake leads to getting hit in the face by an sp3. I practiced hours to get it down fairly consistently and it still resulted in failure many times because the AI would block the first hit instead of heavy attacking. STOP TALKING ABOUT CHAMPIONS YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED AND ROTATIONS YOU HAVEN’T USED!!!
How long do you think before people catch on and duplicate it? Do you think you're the only one capable of it? Come on, you're smart. This community catches on quickly, and R5s are becoming more common. The last thing you want is a Champ that can plow through any new content, especially longer content and harder content. I appreciate that you feel upset by this, but I think you're minimizing the issue.
@ZeroFrostNinja said it perfectly, there are many things holding him back from using this rotation, it’s in no way broken. Also, why are they nerfing his matchup with Claire Voyant? Doesn’t Doom have matchups like OG Thor and many other champs where he can just spam heavies in the corner until they’re dead? Where’s the logic there?
I know you're passionate but it would be helpful to stay on root lock topic.
At least nerfing the Clair Voyant matchup was done through the appropriate channels in the balance update. Champs are expected to have such changes and while I also agree that those changes don't really seem necessary on Zemo, at least they were announced in the balance update on the expected 3-month window.
This root lock nerf on the other hand was not done in this expected window nor was it announced through the proper communication channels.
Yea, but we’re beating a dead horse for Grounded wisdom here, I think everyone else understands at this point lol
I actually agree with them here. The Root Lock definitely had to change. I know for sure I wouldn't have enjoyed seeing Zemo back a 12 million health pool champion against the wall for 25 minutes (exaggerating, of course) during the next Abyss type content we get. It just wouldn't be interesting. I also don't think the Doom cycle is interesting, but adding another ability just like it is definitely not the way to go. And if they did keep the Zemo Lock, I'd be a lot more worried about your chances for Zemo to show up as a 7* anytime soon.
I just pointed out the Zemo lock being similar to the Doom cycle to show how there is precedent for some kind of lock rotation to exist in the game. Kabam has every right to take it away if they want, but nobody can look at the Zemo lock and say it's 100% obviously a bug when the Doom cycle exists in the game. I'm just saying people were perfectly within their rights to take up Zemo just for his root lock, and they cannot be accused of knowingly exploiting an obvious cheesy bug because the Doom Cycle that is very similar exists in the game. That cannot be grounds to deny people RDTs is all I'm saying.
For sure. If Kabam themselves ever tried to use "well obviously it's not working as intended, it's too powerful silly" as an excuse for such a poorly communicated change like this, that definitely wouldn't go over well. I'd also add that the ability was only ever said to be working as intended. During the Kraven Beta, people were obviously skeptical, but the devs had programmed the ability with intent for it to be this way. They then told that to members of the CCP beta. It was only unintended on the side of the designers as far as we know from that last statement. Anyone doing their own research to play it safe would only be far more confused.
Look at karatemikes Videos. He never used zemo lock. 15 furybuffs: you first have to get that much😅😅 it doesnt matter. The only nerf is that you cant abuse him on powersnack anymore. But therefore you have a lower duration until cleanse comes back he isnt that weak still r5 champ. But its disrespectful to not communicate. @secon
Trust me I’ve used Zemo probably 10 times more than Karatemike, no offense directed towards him, I have yet to see someone who actually performs the lock correctly the way I do in this video: https://youtu.be/WafflqagFcU
Very nicely done. I couldn't quite figure out what the missing factor was.
On topic. I never ranked Zemo beyond R3 because I found him too slow. The Zemo lock was the only real reason I'd do it. To take that away from the character is to nerf him by default. KT is right. They've nerfed everything that made him viable as anything more than a mildly pesky defender if you don't know what you're doing.
Yup. The lock made him viable for a lot of cool fights where you can lock the opponent down. Having to bait specials removes the purpose of root in my opinion and he’s definetly very slow, his damage output is very bad.
Also, the missed factor is that you can fit 8 hits intead MSD’s 7 hits in the root duration and using the valk relic allows for another hit after the striker ends, thus giving you back 100% of the power you used and allowing for the lock to last indefinetly unless the opponent blocks a hit. This ONLY WORKS at rank 5. At rank 4 you can only lock about 300k hp.
Also you need to have very refined skills to do that I won't be able to do that with my Zemo
Look at karatemikes Videos. He never used zemo lock. 15 furybuffs: you first have to get that much😅😅 it doesnt matter. The only nerf is that you cant abuse him on powersnack anymore. But therefore you have a lower duration until cleanse comes back he isnt that weak still r5 champ. But its disrespectful to not communicate. @secon
Trust me I’ve used Zemo probably 10 times more than Karatemike, no offense directed towards him, I have yet to see someone who actually performs the lock correctly the way I do in this video: https://youtu.be/WafflqagFcU
Very nicely done. I couldn't quite figure out what the missing factor was.
On topic. I never ranked Zemo beyond R3 because I found him too slow. The Zemo lock was the only real reason I'd do it. To take that away from the character is to nerf him by default. KT is right. They've nerfed everything that made him viable as anything more than a mildly pesky defender if you don't know what you're doing.
Yup. The lock made him viable for a lot of cool fights where you can lock the opponent down. Having to bait specials removes the purpose of root in my opinion and he’s definetly very slow, his damage output is very bad.
Also, the missed factor is that you can fit 8 hits intead MSD’s 7 hits in the root duration and using the valk relic allows for another hit after the striker ends, thus giving you back 100% of the power you used and allowing for the lock to last indefinetly unless the opponent blocks a hit. This ONLY WORKS at rank 5. At rank 4 you can only lock about 300k hp.
Also you need to have very refined skills to do that I won't be able to do that with my Zemo(6*r3 was gonna take him to r4 but ig not now)
It is impossible to do at lower ranks because the combat power rate increase from higher ranks is necessary for Zemo to perform that lock.
I'm not taking criticism from someone trying to provoke a reaction out of me. You have a nice day.
You think I want to provoke you? ... Who do you think you are really? I just want you to be respectful to those who lost money, and mats on this situations, as opposed to you who didn't lose anything...
Damn Coppin But I would prefer that we don't drift from the Topic in Question i.e. RDTs are warranted for Zemo
Let's just ignore people who are trying to change the topic It's a request to all, cause if we deviate then Miike will come and close this Thread.
Lots of people here that dont know how to play zemo properly and cheesed tf out of him. Kraven isnt going to be affected much either considering his insanely high dps and he reduces combat power rate by up to 50%
Kraven could lock down labyrinth rhulk and kill him in 1:30. Now it’s over 3 minutes… I think that’s quite the change… but maybe you’re the one who doesn’t know how to play Kraven hihi, to do the Kraven lock
Look at karatemikes Videos. He never used zemo lock. 15 furybuffs: you first have to get that much😅😅 it doesnt matter. The only nerf is that you cant abuse him on powersnack anymore. But therefore you have a lower duration until cleanse comes back he isnt that weak still r5 champ. But its disrespectful to not communicate. @secon
Trust me I’ve used Zemo probably 10 times more than Karatemike, no offense directed towards him, I have yet to see someone who actually performs the lock correctly the way I do in this video: https://youtu.be/WafflqagFcU
Very nicely done. I couldn't quite figure out what the missing factor was.
On topic. I never ranked Zemo beyond R3 because I found him too slow. The Zemo lock was the only real reason I'd do it. To take that away from the character is to nerf him by default. KT is right. They've nerfed everything that made him viable as anything more than a mildly pesky defender if you don't know what you're doing.
Yup. The lock made him viable for a lot of cool fights where you can lock the opponent down. Having to bait specials removes the purpose of root in my opinion and he’s definetly very slow, his damage output is very bad.
Also, the missed factor is that you can fit 8 hits intead MSD’s 7 hits in the root duration and using the valk relic allows for another hit after the striker ends, thus giving you back 100% of the power you used and allowing for the lock to last indefinetly unless the opponent blocks a hit. This ONLY WORKS at rank 5. At rank 4 you can only lock about 300k hp.
Also you need to have very refined skills to do that I won't be able to do that with my Zemo(6*r3 was gonna take him to r4 but ig not now)
It is impossible to do at lower ranks because the combat power rate increase from higher ranks is necessary for Zemo to perform that lock.
Correct, only a r5 Zemo can lock infinitely on paper, HOWEVER if: 1. The opponent blocks a hit naturally or with auto-block during your root 2. You don’t use the Valkyrie striker and don’t time properly so that 6 hits fit after it ends and not 5 hits 3. You don’t do 13 hits per root debuff 4. Mistime your dash too early and whiff the first medium of your root 5. Accidentally push yourself to 3 bars of power (very easy to do, since you need 2.99 to execute the combo) 6. Any node or ability interferes with your power
The lock is unsuccesful. And you need to do these perfectly every single time, otherwhise your lock will not work. You’ll never be able to kill a 12 million hp opponent with the lock, you’ll fail due to human error long before you do that.
Look at karatemikes Videos. He never used zemo lock. 15 furybuffs: you first have to get that much😅😅 it doesnt matter. The only nerf is that you cant abuse him on powersnack anymore. But therefore you have a lower duration until cleanse comes back he isnt that weak still r5 champ. But its disrespectful to not communicate. @secon
Trust me I’ve used Zemo probably 10 times more than Karatemike, no offense directed towards him, I have yet to see someone who actually performs the lock correctly the way I do in this video: https://youtu.be/WafflqagFcU
Very nicely done. I couldn't quite figure out what the missing factor was.
On topic. I never ranked Zemo beyond R3 because I found him too slow. The Zemo lock was the only real reason I'd do it. To take that away from the character is to nerf him by default. KT is right. They've nerfed everything that made him viable as anything more than a mildly pesky defender if you don't know what you're doing.
Yup. The lock made him viable for a lot of cool fights where you can lock the opponent down. Having to bait specials removes the purpose of root in my opinion and he’s definetly very slow, his damage output is very bad.
Also, the missed factor is that you can fit 8 hits intead MSD’s 7 hits in the root duration and using the valk relic allows for another hit after the striker ends, thus giving you back 100% of the power you used and allowing for the lock to last indefinetly unless the opponent blocks a hit. This ONLY WORKS at rank 5. At rank 4 you can only lock about 300k hp.
Also you need to have very refined skills to do that I won't be able to do that with my Zemo(6*r3 was gonna take him to r4 but ig not now)
It is impossible to do at lower ranks because the combat power rate increase from higher ranks is necessary for Zemo to perform that lock.
Correct, only a r5 Zemo can lock infinitely on paper, HOWEVER if: 1. The opponent blocks a hit naturally or with auto-block during your root 2. You don’t use the Valkyrie striker and don’t time properly so that 6 hits fit after it ends and not 5 hits 3. You don’t do 13 hits per root debuff 4. Mistime your dash too early and whiff the first medium of your root 5. Accidentally push yourself to 3 bars of power (very easy to do, since you need 2.99 to execute the combo) 6. Any node or ability interferes with your power
I think this is exactly what Kabam is trying to avoid with rotation lock abilities. Having a list of exact things you need to do to keep the enemy from doing anything is just not the way the game is designed to be played. It's so formulaic, it becomes more of a game of Pac Man than any real fighting game I've personally seen before. I'm willing to bet Kabam regrets making the Doom cycle, and I'm definitely not surprised they don't want Root Locking to become a viable option. But if they wanted it gone so bad, that should've been a dedicated Forum page first.
Look at karatemikes Videos. He never used zemo lock. 15 furybuffs: you first have to get that much😅😅 it doesnt matter. The only nerf is that you cant abuse him on powersnack anymore. But therefore you have a lower duration until cleanse comes back he isnt that weak still r5 champ. But its disrespectful to not communicate. @secon
Trust me I’ve used Zemo probably 10 times more than Karatemike, no offense directed towards him, I have yet to see someone who actually performs the lock correctly the way I do in this video: https://youtu.be/WafflqagFcU
Very nicely done. I couldn't quite figure out what the missing factor was.
On topic. I never ranked Zemo beyond R3 because I found him too slow. The Zemo lock was the only real reason I'd do it. To take that away from the character is to nerf him by default. KT is right. They've nerfed everything that made him viable as anything more than a mildly pesky defender if you don't know what you're doing.
Yup. The lock made him viable for a lot of cool fights where you can lock the opponent down. Having to bait specials removes the purpose of root in my opinion and he’s definetly very slow, his damage output is very bad.
Also, the missed factor is that you can fit 8 hits intead MSD’s 7 hits in the root duration and using the valk relic allows for another hit after the striker ends, thus giving you back 100% of the power you used and allowing for the lock to last indefinetly unless the opponent blocks a hit. This ONLY WORKS at rank 5. At rank 4 you can only lock about 300k hp.
Also you need to have very refined skills to do that I won't be able to do that with my Zemo(6*r3 was gonna take him to r4 but ig not now)
It is impossible to do at lower ranks because the combat power rate increase from higher ranks is necessary for Zemo to perform that lock.
Even if I had him at r5 I would not be able to perform the lock There are many things that can mess up the lock rotation You need to do MLLLMMLMMLLLM relic M(wait for the system to record that the current combo has ended)MLLLM sp2
One lag = lock gone Input issue = lock gone Missed input = Lock gone Accidental dash back = Lock gone Got hit by the defender's heavy = Lock gone Used relic at wrong time= Lock gone Didn't wait long enough after the first medium after using relic = Lock gone Opponent dexed(yeah it's possible happened to me in BGs)= Lock gone Fat thumbs = high risk that lock will be gone Waited too long after the first medium by relic= Lock gone as the stun window from relic is very small so any mess up means lock gone Panicked and threw sp2 without using relic= Lock gone Waited too long to use relic and so the root timer expired and the defender blocked your relic hits = you dead
In all these cases you will end up getting hit by an sp3 or not be able to maintain the lock after the sp 2 you might have at that time (which will also end up with you taking sp3)
I know my skills very well, and I know Kabam and my device very well too(input issue or lag can occur at any moment)
I won't be able to perform the rotation perfectly more than like 2-3 Sp2s unless Zemo gets like 50% extra combat power rate during root.
Look at karatemikes Videos. He never used zemo lock. 15 furybuffs: you first have to get that much😅😅 it doesnt matter. The only nerf is that you cant abuse him on powersnack anymore. But therefore you have a lower duration until cleanse comes back he isnt that weak still r5 champ. But its disrespectful to not communicate. @secon
Trust me I’ve used Zemo probably 10 times more than Karatemike, no offense directed towards him, I have yet to see someone who actually performs the lock correctly the way I do in this video: https://youtu.be/WafflqagFcU
Very nicely done. I couldn't quite figure out what the missing factor was.
On topic. I never ranked Zemo beyond R3 because I found him too slow. The Zemo lock was the only real reason I'd do it. To take that away from the character is to nerf him by default. KT is right. They've nerfed everything that made him viable as anything more than a mildly pesky defender if you don't know what you're doing.
Yup. The lock made him viable for a lot of cool fights where you can lock the opponent down. Having to bait specials removes the purpose of root in my opinion and he’s definetly very slow, his damage output is very bad.
Also, the missed factor is that you can fit 8 hits intead MSD’s 7 hits in the root duration and using the valk relic allows for another hit after the striker ends, thus giving you back 100% of the power you used and allowing for the lock to last indefinetly unless the opponent blocks a hit. This ONLY WORKS at rank 5. At rank 4 you can only lock about 300k hp.
Also you need to have very refined skills to do that I won't be able to do that with my Zemo(6*r3 was gonna take him to r4 but ig not now)
It is impossible to do at lower ranks because the combat power rate increase from higher ranks is necessary for Zemo to perform that lock.
Correct, only a r5 Zemo can lock infinitely on paper, HOWEVER if: 1. The opponent blocks a hit naturally or with auto-block during your root 2. You don’t use the Valkyrie striker and don’t time properly so that 6 hits fit after it ends and not 5 hits 3. You don’t do 13 hits per root debuff 4. Mistime your dash too early and whiff the first medium of your root 5. Accidentally push yourself to 3 bars of power (very easy to do, since you need 2.99 to execute the combo) 6. Any node or ability interferes with your power
The lock is unsuccesful. And you need to do these perfectly every single time, otherwhise your lock will not work. You’ll never be able to kill a 12 million hp opponent with the lock, you’ll fail due to human error long before you do that.
Sweaty fingers = lock gone On booze= Lock gone The skill cap is too high for an average Joe like me
Jesus I don't know why this thread is still active, I'm gonna say this for the idiots that need to hear it, THE ZEMO LOCK WAS NEVER GONNA STAY, For the 1 millionth time it was a very overpowered ability that was and I can't stress this enough was very very very obviously NEVER GONNA STAY, If you were dumb enough to rank zemo just for that then guess what? Thats your loss and your fault for being a dumb***, it was always gonna get nerfed and it's your fault for not seeing that, hope yall are happy with your r5 zemos not getting rank down tickets 😝
Jesus I don't know why this thread is still active, I'm gonna say this for the idiots that need to hear it, THE ZEMO LOCK WAS NEVER GONNA STAY, For the 1 millionth time it was a very overpowered ability that was and I can't stress this enough was very very very obviously NEVER GONNA STAY, If you were dumb enough to rank zemo just for that then guess what? Thats your loss and your fault for being a dumb***, it was always gonna get nerfed and it's your fault for not seeing that, hope yall are happy with your r5 zemos not getting rank down tickets 😝
Yeah you're just trolling. I already explained why the Zemo lock is not "obviously too OP and gonna get nerfed" because the Doom Cycle exists which can lock opponents down in a similar way. Nobody is a dumb*** for taking up their Zemo for just the lock mechanic. It could've easily been an intended rotation.
Yes, I knew about it before Miike pointed it out. The Forum isn't just here for one purpose alone. There is information here. If someone takes the time to read the Posts they make, as well as other Players, it's not hard to see what's shared. You're right, it wasn't communicated here. It was also not inquired about. No one asked if the interaction was supposed to be that way. They just Ranked him. Calling me a Troll is the standard response when someone says things that don't line up with what people want. I get it. People are upset about the lack of communication. They're upset Tickets were given in one instance and not the other. I can see that. Just because I don't agree that Tickets should be given doesn't mean I'm ignorant to that. I have two sides. One that feels for people investing Resources in something that has changed, and another side that believes Tickets are only for a specific situation. That situation becomes less and less clear each time they're given in other circumstances, and they're asked for again and again. I'm not sure how it's unclear that someone can hold different views on something, but as I said before, nothing is ever black-and-white.
Nobody is calling you a troll because your view isn't aligning with other people. People are calling you a troll because you keep repeating the same talking points over and over again with no substance behind it despite numerous different perspectives being put in front of you. It's always the same "I just don't feel like RDTs should be given" even if there seem to be precedent for it, even though it seems like the decision that would make the most people happy, even though it seems warranted by Kabam using a Trello board that 99.999% of the community hasn't heard about to justify their lack of communication, even though it would require minimal additional effort since they already agreed to send out Kraven RDTs, even though it will do nothing to alter the game economy. You sound like a video game NPC repeating the same lines over and over again.
That precedent is one of my issues with it. If you've been following.
U r trolling cause you got 1 5* moleman (per your screenshot in an arena match, doubt u leave a 6* out of deck), you got 2 r4s as of your description of your account and also when you say you are not paragon yet (doubt one of those r4 is Zemo). This issue doesnt affect you at all, not on money, not on mats, not on gameplay.. NOTHING at all.. meanwhile you have players who used r5 gems and mats from 4th of july sales to get completely screwed... Sometimes it makes more sense to stay out of some posts...
Your response is to take shots at my Account? That's original. I don't agree that Tickets should be given. Period. In fact, I empathized with people who used Resources. So your comment is redundant. I'm not going to suddenly change my view on RDTs. People who troll just say things to get a reaction. You'll find my opinion has been the same over the years. Agree to disagree. I'm not the one making cheap shots here.
Everything this guy posts is contrary and to get a reaction, and lacks any logical response to the debate except "this is my opinion" - it's been heard. He is simply derailing the actual debate, because he don't respond to points logically and has no logical basis for his position except "reasons". He can call it what he wants but that is the definition of internet trolling.
He has yet to logically oppose why RDTs are not warranted here despite posting in here every other post.Kabam's reason for specifically not planning to give RDTs for Zemo is using a trello board which does not reach the entire playerbase - a facility that probably has had less views as a thread section than this very thread.
Based on this lack of communication to the entire playerbase that Kabam should have performed, RDTs are warranted.
Most high level players ranked Zemo because of Prestige/ AW Diversity and his mechanics BUT NOT JUST because of his indefinite Lock. It was quite obvious that such a cheese wont stay long in the game for those who arent noobs hahahahah.
But just like i said: Kabam Screwed, I was annoyedt too and they should give us RTDs
The issue is not the high level players but the average joe who doesn't even visit the forum much less a trello board who MAY have seen a youtube video or two, and who MAY have thought this lock mechanic was intended - what reason did they have to not think so?
People have to remember that only a fraction of people who play even watch YT. Some of the most popular youtubers have less than a thousand views on some of their most popular videos.
I pulled Zemo from the featured a few days ago. I wondered if I should rank him but kabam politics teaches me at the moment that he will sit on the bench. It’s a joke that rank down tickets will given for Kraven but for Zemo you’ll get nada 😆
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Second, like I said Kabam could still counter Zemo in a variety of ways without nerfing the root lock. They could have champions that are root immune, or they could have champions/nodes that could reduce opponent's combat power rate while rooted, or champions/nodes that steal power when they're rooted. They've done such things with the Doom cycle. It's not even like Zemo was a broken champion like Doom, he doesn't even hit that hard. I'm not even a game designer and I could think of three ways off the top of my head to counter the Zemo lock without nerfing root, I'm sure if Kabam who are paying designers to design content could easily think of more ways to counter it if they actually want.
At least nerfing the Clair Voyant matchup was done through the appropriate channels in the balance update. Champs are expected to have such changes and while I also agree that those changes don't really seem necessary on Zemo, at least they were announced in the balance update on the expected 3-month window.
This root lock nerf on the other hand was not done in this expected window nor was it announced through the proper communication channels.
My main issue with this is not only the timing of the change; its the mains of communication...
Trello boards really?.. so far for Kabam.
Titan crystal votes on Twitter
Bugs on Trello Boards
Live stream on Twitch
What is next? Deep dives on Tinder?
I'm going to be frank because I'm running out of ways to put it.
Anything that can do what he did is OP. Too OP. Feel free to agree or disagree, but it was.
I won't be able to do that with my Zemo
Ever heard a person who only has 4* champions come and advice someone on taking champs to rank 5?
But I would prefer that we don't drift from the Topic in Question i.e. RDTs are warranted for Zemo
Let's just ignore people who are trying to change the topic
It's a request to all, cause if we deviate then Miike will come and close this Thread.
1. The opponent blocks a hit naturally or with auto-block during your root
2. You don’t use the Valkyrie striker and don’t time properly so that 6 hits fit after it ends and not 5 hits
3. You don’t do 13 hits per root debuff
4. Mistime your dash too early and whiff the first medium of your root
5. Accidentally push yourself to 3 bars of power (very easy to do, since you need 2.99 to execute the combo)
6. Any node or ability interferes with your power
The lock is unsuccesful.
And you need to do these perfectly every single time, otherwhise your lock will not work. You’ll never be able to kill a 12 million hp opponent with the lock, you’ll fail due to human error long before you do that.
There are many things that can mess up the lock rotation
You need to do MLLLMMLMMLLLM relic M(wait for the system to record that the current combo has ended)MLLLM sp2
One lag = lock gone
Input issue = lock gone
Missed input = Lock gone
Accidental dash back = Lock gone
Got hit by the defender's heavy = Lock gone
Used relic at wrong time= Lock gone
Didn't wait long enough after the first medium after using relic = Lock gone
Opponent dexed(yeah it's possible happened to me in BGs)= Lock gone
Fat thumbs = high risk that lock will be gone
Waited too long after the first medium by relic= Lock gone as the stun window from relic is very small so any mess up means lock gone
Panicked and threw sp2 without using relic= Lock gone
Waited too long to use relic and so the root timer expired and the defender blocked your relic hits = you dead
In all these cases you will end up getting hit by an sp3 or not be able to maintain the lock after the sp 2 you might have at that time (which will also end up with you taking sp3)
I know my skills very well, and I know Kabam and my device very well too(input issue or lag can occur at any moment)
I won't be able to perform the rotation perfectly more than like 2-3 Sp2s unless Zemo gets like 50% extra combat power rate during root.
On booze= Lock gone
The skill cap is too high for an average Joe like me
He has yet to logically oppose why RDTs are not warranted here despite posting in here every other post.Kabam's reason for specifically not planning to give RDTs for Zemo is using a trello board which does not reach the entire playerbase - a facility that probably has had less views as a thread section than this very thread.
Based on this lack of communication to the entire playerbase that Kabam should have performed, RDTs are warranted.
People have to remember that only a fraction of people who play even watch YT. Some of the most popular youtubers have less than a thousand views on some of their most popular videos.