A new fair way to give FTPs a chance to live peacefully?

Greetings to kabam and everyone In the forums

Before BGs were a thing I couldn't care less about whales and spenders getting all the goodies cuz I didn't get in (real time face to face with them) and I actually loved the fact that they payed for the game we all love

I have a suggestion that I'm sure will satisfy both segments of mcoc because right now the gap is felt more than ever when the Battlegrounds became a thing and people buy everything just to bully everyone not spending and that's a fact !

My suggestion is to have two matchmaking systems for BGs

1 for spenders and whales and basically everyone that spent a dime on this game is to battle each other in their own separate matchmaking and of course have bigger rewards (but not that big in order to shorten the (FTPs and spenders gab) in due time

2 A second matchmaking system designed exclusively for FTPs where only FTPs face each other so that only (hard work) is the difference between and have a smaller rewards pool but not humongous difference just like the way kabam sees unjustly fair !!

Bottom line you need to do something to this fiasco cuz it's only gonna get worse if nothing is done

I wish to hear your take on this kabam cuz you never said anything regarding this topic despite the fact that games economy is the center of games as service and your silence is incredibly not appreciated

Before kabam lawyers and spenders jump this post I told you that I understand kabam needs money and have no dispute with you

Comments

GinjabredMonsta

This has nothing to do with Kabam needing money. The system you suggested did ultimately flawed from the beginning and would not work nor make both parties happy. BG incentivizes roster diversity and knowledge of champions, one of which money can help with, the other is experience.

Separating BG into spenders vs non would just mean non spender BG would get a fraction of the BG rewards that are currently seen. Spending is always going to provide certain advantages. There’s nothing saying a FTP can’t get close to the top, it just may take harder work and grinding in order to get there.

Ruwqiersa

Do you think they are even able to do that? Let aside the will or wont part?

Meltdown123

FTPs just can't get to the top bro, not after 4th of July deals

I have put in many hours on this season and I'm struggling to get out of arcane.

And I rather to have 70% of good rewards pool than to have 30% of great rewards pool

Meltdown123

Sman74

Biggest problem would be that Kabam would have to spend money developing this proposed functionality without any return. There’s no upside for them so they won’t (can’t) do it from a business perspective. I feel where you’re coming from though OP. The ability on a non-spender to get to or stay competitive in the upper ranks of Battlegrounds is tough and getting tougher if it isn’t already impossible.

Meltdown123

The upside is to have their player base happy and content, why everything has to be for monetization purposes? I get that they need money to sustain the game but why not work for both the players satisfaction and to monetize their product ? Games are supposed to be fun and fair for gamers to enjoy as they get away from the unfairness of life don't you think?

ahmynuts

The existence of Brian Grant invalidates your entire argument immediately. Not even including FTP players who arent public figures

MrSakuragi

So who goes into the FTP pool and who goes into the spender pool? Someone that buys the $5 unit card is not the same as someone buying every offer. And neither are the same as someone who has spent nothing.

Wozzle007

I don’t know how you can implement 2 tier system based on spending or not spending. What do you class as FTP, is someone who spent $5 on a deal 6 months ago or 2 years ago FTP? Is Rich The Man FTP because he stopped spending a year or so ago or do you need an account like Brian Grants that’s never spent a thing?

I was recently in an Alliance that had a 2.2m account and was Uncollected. Never started journey in act 6 to get to cavelier. I have a 3.7m Paragon and by no means a top level Paragon player, but I think my account was like 220k or lower when I achieved uncollected. I think a large part of the issue is a lack of patience to complete content, grind MEQ for months and months until you pull that one champion that’s an account changer let’s you clear a path and move forward in the game. Or grind for units so you can open up optimal masteries.

I was scrolling down the Uru 3 section of the Gladiators circuit leaderboard. I got bored after getting to 2,000th place having 134 points. So there are at least 10,500 in gladiators circuit but it’s probably closer to 15,000. Do you think all 15,000 are whales? Brian Grants in there, he’s not a whale, he’s never spent on his account. He’s dedicated and skilled, he chooses his rank ups wisely. If there’s a BG meta your deck isn’t suited to, maybe it’s not your season and focus on trying to expand your roster for the next one.

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Meltdown123

Brian Grant gave up on this game for very long time ago if you seen his videos

Any my argument is not the strength of FTPs which their limit won't cross 3 R5s and maybe 4 R5s at best case scenario

My argument is that there is a game mode (which has the juiciest rewards atm) where the FTPs are unfairly going against rosters twice as big

Caleb1705

I understand the heart of your argument, but if we look to before BGs were even added to the game it would have been highly unlikely to find a large group of f2p players in a top war alliance. There will always be a competitive aspect to this game, especially in pvp game modes, and what spenders are paying for is an advantage within that competition. Generally speaking, non-spenders have never been at the top of that competition and I can't see that being likely to change anytime in the future.

Meltdown123

Simple, if you buy $5 that means that you have a genuine interest in the game and will likely spend more and have more roster diversity than FTPs it might be little unfair for spenders but (they can always spend)

While in the FTPs pool I ensure you there will be no unjust and unfair competition, cuz the only thing that determines your ascending is your skill and hard work

ahmynuts

So what you're saying is....... skill issue?

Pikolu

I got a better idea, how about you have to spend 10 dollars a month to buy a pass that allows you to go into GC once you have completed VT. This way you can spend money to get the chance to compete with the best of the best to prove that you are better than the rest.

Doing so will solve your dilemma and have a separate track for spenders to compete in. Now, you might be wondering what happens to the FTP players once they get through vibranium. The answer is simple, they get their rewards for getting Vibranium and enter the Lost Lands. In the Lost Lands summoners can compete with each other in friendly matches entirely for the sake of having fun. There is no roster matchmaking in the Lost lands and to make everything entirely fair, everyone's deck will consist of 30 7* r6 Groots. When you accumulate 100 victories in the Lost Lands, you will achieve the Legendary (but actually just a light blue) title called "Victor of the Lost Lands". You can then proudly parade this title around showing off to your friends just how much better you are than them at using groot.

Finally, the last prize you can get in the Lost Lands is the Legend title "Omega FTP". This title will be given to the summoner who has the longest win streak in the Lost Lands. You can then boast this piece of equipment to all your friends claiming that you are the best FTP around. Don't get too cocky though, this title will be removed from your account at the conclusion of the next season to ensure that there is only 1 Omega FTP.

TheLightBringer

Next someone will say they want a separate server for f2p, why would a company create something MAINLY for the nonspending players? They create content for all player base and add smth extra for money bcz as that's how REVENUE is made, why this very simple concept is so hard to understand for ppl

Wozzle007

He gave up on the game yet is still able to get to Gladiators Circuit every season.

After you separate FTP and Spenders, the FTP Cavelier and Thronebreaker accounts will want to separated from the FTP Paragon accounts because there rosters are twice as big and it’s unfair. Same will happen with those that have spent who’ll want to be separated from the super whale accounts. I honestly think you probably need to adjust your expectation of the game mode and what you believe is fair. It’s fair that the strongest accounts rise to the top. How people got their accounts so strong, as long as it’s within kabams TOS, doesn’t matter and we should all be part of the same competition.

Meltdown123

Skill isn't an issue for me I get quantum 3 every season which is relatively good placement , nor for most FTPs players, we put in the extra work just to stay relevant in what is it seems as a casino of a game

Meltdown123

So why not separate those 15,000 to different brackets than ? And we will see if Brian Grant takes home the bacon lol

My point is that kabam sees the player base as two segments, why not act on it and separate them instead of having whales bully the smaller fish in the ocean

Go_To

You put in extra work because you don’t spend. If spenders didn’t get an advantage why do it?

Meltdown123

But FTPs didn't really care about that before bgs

Now they voice their concerns because they head on fight whales in real time and suffer greatly for it

GroundedWisdom

I want a separate economy where I can buy a house without money and live among other people who didn't pay for their houses.
That way the people who spent money don't have to have everything.

Ruwqiersa

YES COMRADE, we gonna achieve that with socialism.

DarkEternity

I know a few F2P in Celest 5

Wozzle007

Kabam are not going to spend any money developing the mode to create a seperate competition specifically for players who have never spent a penny on the game. Think of the upkeep for the FTP mode. We can’t get a buff for OP Groot but you want Kabam to spend time creating a maintaining a competition that will bring them in nothing in revenue?

You get the privilege of playing the game for free off the backs of spenders. If you get Quantum 3 every season, you’re in the top 1,500 players in the world. I think you would be better served reframing your perspective to be “I’ve never spent a penny on the game and am in the top 1,500 in the world!” Rather than it’s not fair, everyone ahead of me bought there way ahead and I shouldn’t have to play them.

Meltdown123

But can you give me 10 F2Ps in celest at all ? The answer is no my friend

Meltdown123

So you actually agree with kabam doing what's best for kabam and not giving a f.... about players ?

[Deleted User]

My main gripe with this idea is just like... What if those high end ftp players want to face those high end spenders? They just can't? Make an exception for them? Then where does the exception stop? Why would anyone want to be apart of the tiny handholding ftp league, thus defining themselves as forever below the rest of the competition. It would take so much work to develop this idea and it just wouldn't be a positive change. The queue times in both leagues would be higher, you'd be matching with players outside of your tier constantly, and you'd be locking ftp players into competition with all of the hackers while the spenders get little to none. It's just overall a worse experience for everyone.

Pikolu

"Ah yes, checkmate, you have proven FTP are able to make it to Celestial but you forgot that your argument is completely invalid unless most of Celestial is FTP."

To OP, this isn't going to get anyone to support your argument especially when you move the goalposts like this. Take your L and move on.

Meltdown123

My intention was to prove that the top is mainly for whales and that F2P going against almost impossible odds isn't sportsmanlike

And what's the matter the you guys just trying to find errors in comments to "checkmate" others ? And quantum most seasons ain't L my friend but the fact is that I need to work ×4 times the spenders is what gets me