So how exactly are they going to fix this mess?

Not trying to stir the pot here but how exactly is Kabam going to fix this? As you can see this guy opened 1 100 mythic crystals, he was Cav when he opened the crystals, now he's TB two weeks after the exploit.

Many people were saying the pulls alone wouldn't be enough to help them cover content they otherwise wouldn't have been able to cover and "it's not like a Cav will make the jump to TB thanks to the crystals", that's clearly not the case as someone has indeed made the jump from Cav to TB thanks to the crystals lol.
Are they going to lose all the progress they made since they opened the crystals or will that stay the same?

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Drago_von_Drago

I've yet to really see a compelling argument against banning the exploiters beyond "Well, Kabam said they wouldn't".

Do you mean a temporary 7-day ban or permanently ban the account and make them start over?

GroundedWisdom

I've yet to really see a compelling argument against banning the exploiters beyond "Well, Kabam said they wouldn't".

I don't believe anyone is arguing against that. Not that I've seen. That certainly wasn't my point. I said I originally thought that was going to be the outcome. Kabam themselves decided not to. After the amount of work they've already put into removing things, I'd say that's a done deal.

ItsClobberinTime

I've yet to really see a compelling argument against banning the exploiters beyond "Well, Kabam said they wouldn't".
Do you mean a temporary 7-day ban or permanently ban the account and make them start over?

Permanent, only way to actually fix this issue 100% at this point cause I doubt they can roll back all the progress they made with the champs.

[Deleted User]

I've yet to really see a compelling argument against banning the exploiters beyond "Well, Kabam said they wouldn't".

I honestly don't think they should just because it's a never ending cycle. Until Kabam builds a better system for preventing these exploits, banning players will become just as regular as releasing updates. As I mentioned before in this thread, there were 4 exploits created this month. I know for a fact at least one of them has not been fixed and players still have all of the items obtained from it.

If Kabam decided to ban every player that benefited from an exploit this month, that would be thousands of players just gone in an instant. If they decided to pick and choose which exploits were bad enough to ban players for, we'd see players rioting on the forums over what the criteria is and blaming Kabam for resorting to the laziest way to handle their mistake. Kabam has only taken real action against the two exploits we're all aware of this month. The other two, it seems Kabam doesn't intend on reverse or even mentioning.

I would be happy to see players banned for taking advantage of these exploits if I had any confidence that Kabam was taking preventative measures to stop the exploits from happening. But from the way they're handling things this month, it seems they only care about these exploits when they can't get away with sweeping them under the rug.

Coppin

It would be so much easier to just ban those accounts.. feels like all the work and money I put into this game..all the units I used during the 7* Paragon event were completely pointless when you see Cav accounts benefit from this stupid bug...
At this point yes, that is the only solution that would fix the issue 100% cause even if they went for a second temporary ban wave and removed what's left, a lot of these Cav players already made the jump to TB and covered other content these past two weeks and I doubt Kabam can roll back any of that.
It is frustrating seeing Cavs with 7* when most of us had to grind for those shards, I agree.

I don't really care about their progression title.. they were Cavs mostly, TB and Paragon exploited this..
I dont care about content they could have done cause I did it with 5* and some r1 6*s...
I do care about the terrible message this situation leaves...Sure they can start being more strict about BGs and after YEARS of Arena being exploited start banning those bots; but this.. What stops people from exploiting future bugs.. a 12 hr ban and the removal of a few things?...
As a spender... Between the zemo **** and this... What is my incentive to spend?... Knowing there will always be a bug that makes my purchases irrelevant?....
I said it from day 1.. there was no AQ no War.. shut down the servers and fix it before it gets out of control...they decided to "try" to fix it once the data was all over the place...
This is how games commit suicide.. no Mcoc is not dieing... Its killing itself by losing the faith of paying players

ItsClobberinTime

It would be so much easier to just ban those accounts.. feels like all the work and money I put into this game..all the units I used during the 7* Paragon event were completely pointless when you see Cav accounts benefit from this stupid bug...
At this point yes, that is the only solution that would fix the issue 100% cause even if they went for a second temporary ban wave and removed what's left, a lot of these Cav players already made the jump to TB and covered other content these past two weeks and I doubt Kabam can roll back any of that.
It is frustrating seeing Cavs with 7* when most of us had to grind for those shards, I agree.
I don't really care about their progression title.. they were Cavs mostly, TB and Paragon exploited this..
I dont care about content they could have done cause I did it with 5* and some r1 6*s...
I do care about the terrible message this situation leaves...Sure they can start being more strict about BGs and after YEARS of Arena being exploited start banning those bots; but this.. What stops people from exploiting future bugs.. a 12 hr ban and the removal of a few things?...
As a spender... Between the zemo **** and this... What is my incentive to spend?... Knowing there will always be a bug that makes my purchases irrelevant?....
I said it from day 1.. there was no AQ no War.. shut down the servers and fix it before it gets out of control...they decided to "try" to fix it once the data was all over the place...
This is how games commit suicide.. no Mcoc is not dieing... Its killing itself by losing the faith of paying players

Fair enough. I do have an issue with a lot of Cavs keeping some 7* and 6* so that's why I mentioned it, the 7* and 6* that weren't removed from their profiles are obviously the ones they got by completing content with the champs they got and that doesn't sit well with me. A lot of the content that took me months to cover while I ranked up my champs, they did it in two weeks.

I do agree though, the message this leaves is terrible. Can't really blame people for abusing exploits after this whole situation because if they don't, then they'll basically be sitting there with nothing while the ones that do abuse exploits leave with a slap on the wrists and some free stuff.

GroundedWisdom

We need to stop pretending these things are an excuse to abuse things in the future. That's just not a thing, and if it is, it's foolish.

ItsClobberinTime

We need to stop pretending these things are an excuse to abuse things in the future. That's just not a thing, and if it is, it's foolish.

You're suggesting people just sit there biting their tongues while others abuse exploits with no real consequences other than "we removed some of your stuff but not everything, you can keep some"?
I'm sorry but if that's how it's going to be, then this will be a thing. If you think I'm going to miss out on a free 7* again for playing nice while the ones that don't, not only get them for two weeks but get to keep some of them indefinitely then you're very wrong lol.

GroundedWisdom

What free 7*? What part of this sounds like it equates to Kabam giving everyone something? You have an issue with it, I get it. You're free to communicate that. What I don't agree with is this precedent narrative. Cheating is wrong. Period. I don't care if people lucked out or not. Anyone looking at this as an excuse to cheat is just a fool.
You have 2 arguments. One is reasonable. The other is spotty at best. One is how you feel about it in terms of fairness. If you'll notice, I never disputed that.
The other argument about game balance and precedent is a little exaggerated in my opinion.

ItsClobberinTime

What free 7*? What part of this sounds like it equates to Kabam giving everyone something? You have an issue with it, I get it. You're free to communicate that. What I don't agree with is this precedent narrative. Cheating is wrong. Period. I don't care if people lucked out or not. Anyone looking at this as an excuse to cheat is just a fool.
You have 2 arguments. One is reasonable. The other is spotty at best. One is how you feel about it in terms of fairness. If you'll notice, I never disputed that.
The other argument about game balance and precedent is a little exaggerated in my opinion.

I never claimed they were given to everyone by Kabam that's you putting words in my mouth. I'm simply stating facts, which is some of these accounts still have 7* (which they got for free as they didn't pay for them or work for them) on their accounts, 7* which were supposed to be removed as per Kabam's statement but are still there for some dumb reason and knowing Kabam they probably won't do anything else about it.

I agree, cheating is wrong indeed, hence I didn't do it or asked for compensation when the whole thing happened. However, Kabam failed to properly punish these cheaters (if that's what you wanna call them for the sake of the argument) as they should've. Why? Because they waited two whole weeks to do something about it.
If they're going to get something out of cheating with no serious repercussions then yes, I will cheat too and hopefully if enough people do it, they'll either stop releasing bugs or start taking cheating seriously. If we're going to criticize the cheaters who abuse exploits, then we are definitely going to criticize Kabam as well for their carelessness cause this isn't just on the cheaters, it's on Kabam too.

[Deleted User]

What free 7*? What part of this sounds like it equates to Kabam giving everyone something? You have an issue with it, I get it. You're free to communicate that. What I don't agree with is this precedent narrative. Cheating is wrong. Period. I don't care if people lucked out or not. Anyone looking at this as an excuse to cheat is just a fool.
You have 2 arguments. One is reasonable. The other is spotty at best. One is how you feel about it in terms of fairness. If you'll notice, I never disputed that.
The other argument about game balance and precedent is a little exaggerated in my opinion.

As long as Kabam makes decisions, the idea that they will make the same decision when presented with the opportunity again is going to be present in players minds. Yes, cheating is wrong. And many players are ready and willing to figure out just how much they can cheat without real punishment. I don't personally think bans are the way to go, but the precedent exists whether you believe in it or not.

GroundedWisdom

What free 7*? What part of this sounds like it equates to Kabam giving everyone something? You have an issue with it, I get it. You're free to communicate that. What I don't agree with is this precedent narrative. Cheating is wrong. Period. I don't care if people lucked out or not. Anyone looking at this as an excuse to cheat is just a fool.
You have 2 arguments. One is reasonable. The other is spotty at best. One is how you feel about it in terms of fairness. If you'll notice, I never disputed that.
The other argument about game balance and precedent is a little exaggerated in my opinion.
I never claimed they were given to everyone by Kabam that's you putting words in my mouth. I'm simply stating facts, which is some of these accounts still have 7* (which they got for free as they didn't pay for them or work for them) on their accounts, 7* which were supposed to be removed as per Kabam's statement but are still there for some dumb reason and knowing Kabam they probably won't do anything else about it.

I agree, cheating is wrong indeed, hence I didn't do it or asked for compensation when the whole thing happened. However, Kabam failed to properly punish these cheaters (if that's what you wanna call them for the sake of the argument) as they should've. Why? Because they waited two whole weeks to do something about it.
If they're going to get something out of cheating with no serious repercussions then yes, I will cheat too and hopefully if enough people do it, they'll either stop releasing bugs or start taking cheating seriously. If we're going to criticize the cheaters who abuse exploits, then we are definitely going to criticize Kabam as well for their carelessness cause this isn't just on the cheaters, it's on Kabam too.

You said you were going to miss out on a free 7* again. I'd like to know how that logic applies.

ItsClobberinTime

What free 7*? What part of this sounds like it equates to Kabam giving everyone something? You have an issue with it, I get it. You're free to communicate that. What I don't agree with is this precedent narrative. Cheating is wrong. Period. I don't care if people lucked out or not. Anyone looking at this as an excuse to cheat is just a fool.
You have 2 arguments. One is reasonable. The other is spotty at best. One is how you feel about it in terms of fairness. If you'll notice, I never disputed that.
The other argument about game balance and precedent is a little exaggerated in my opinion.
I never claimed they were given to everyone by Kabam that's you putting words in my mouth. I'm simply stating facts, which is some of these accounts still have 7* (which they got for free as they didn't pay for them or work for them) on their accounts, 7* which were supposed to be removed as per Kabam's statement but are still there for some dumb reason and knowing Kabam they probably won't do anything else about it.

I agree, cheating is wrong indeed, hence I didn't do it or asked for compensation when the whole thing happened. However, Kabam failed to properly punish these cheaters (if that's what you wanna call them for the sake of the argument) as they should've. Why? Because they waited two whole weeks to do something about it.
If they're going to get something out of cheating with no serious repercussions then yes, I will cheat too and hopefully if enough people do it, they'll either stop releasing bugs or start taking cheating seriously. If we're going to criticize the cheaters who abuse exploits, then we are definitely going to criticize Kabam as well for their carelessness cause this isn't just on the cheaters, it's on Kabam too.
You said you were going to miss out on a free 7* again. I'd like to know how that logic applies.

You didn't read the lol at the end? That was obviously satire and an exaggeration. Even though some of it is true since some accounts have 7* on their accounts right now which they're going to keep since they weren't removed when the temp bans happened.

Coppin

They broke ToS, BAN THEM, specially if its something they can't fix....
Stop trying to find a moral high ground when people who spend on this 7* feel cheated...
Its always easy for people that don't play at end level or don't spend to stay competitive to take the moral high ground and say.. well this won't bring impact on the future...what would be the negative effect to keep them from cheating or exploiting? Another 12 hr ban?... A 7 day ban?.. we all know how a lot of people felt about the 7 day bans during earlier BG seasons...
Its in the ToS... It was a mistake YES, can they actually ensure fixing it? NO, then apply the ToS and ban those accounts...

GroundedWisdom

What free 7*? What part of this sounds like it equates to Kabam giving everyone something? You have an issue with it, I get it. You're free to communicate that. What I don't agree with is this precedent narrative. Cheating is wrong. Period. I don't care if people lucked out or not. Anyone looking at this as an excuse to cheat is just a fool.
You have 2 arguments. One is reasonable. The other is spotty at best. One is how you feel about it in terms of fairness. If you'll notice, I never disputed that.
The other argument about game balance and precedent is a little exaggerated in my opinion.
I never claimed they were given to everyone by Kabam that's you putting words in my mouth. I'm simply stating facts, which is some of these accounts still have 7* (which they got for free as they didn't pay for them or work for them) on their accounts, 7* which were supposed to be removed as per Kabam's statement but are still there for some dumb reason and knowing Kabam they probably won't do anything else about it.

I agree, cheating is wrong indeed, hence I didn't do it or asked for compensation when the whole thing happened. However, Kabam failed to properly punish these cheaters (if that's what you wanna call them for the sake of the argument) as they should've. Why? Because they waited two whole weeks to do something about it.
If they're going to get something out of cheating with no serious repercussions then yes, I will cheat too and hopefully if enough people do it, they'll either stop releasing bugs or start taking cheating seriously. If we're going to criticize the cheaters who abuse exploits, then we are definitely going to criticize Kabam as well for their carelessness cause this isn't just on the cheaters, it's on Kabam too.
You said you were going to miss out on a free 7* again. I'd like to know how that logic applies.
You didn't read the lol at the end? That was obviously satire and an exaggeration. Even though some of it is true since some accounts have 7* on their accounts right now which they're going to keep since they weren't removed when the temp bans happened.

All of this is conjecture. You're basing it on an obsessive monitoring of an Account's Profile. I don't think Kabam needs our help to decide the best course of action.
If they choose to leave a Post detailing what they did, then debate that, but at this point it's really not helping the situation to create hypotheticals while they work and react to those.
It was said before in this Thread. They're going to do what they're going to do.

ItsClobberinTime

What free 7*? What part of this sounds like it equates to Kabam giving everyone something? You have an issue with it, I get it. You're free to communicate that. What I don't agree with is this precedent narrative. Cheating is wrong. Period. I don't care if people lucked out or not. Anyone looking at this as an excuse to cheat is just a fool.
You have 2 arguments. One is reasonable. The other is spotty at best. One is how you feel about it in terms of fairness. If you'll notice, I never disputed that.
The other argument about game balance and precedent is a little exaggerated in my opinion.
I never claimed they were given to everyone by Kabam that's you putting words in my mouth. I'm simply stating facts, which is some of these accounts still have 7* (which they got for free as they didn't pay for them or work for them) on their accounts, 7* which were supposed to be removed as per Kabam's statement but are still there for some dumb reason and knowing Kabam they probably won't do anything else about it.

I agree, cheating is wrong indeed, hence I didn't do it or asked for compensation when the whole thing happened. However, Kabam failed to properly punish these cheaters (if that's what you wanna call them for the sake of the argument) as they should've. Why? Because they waited two whole weeks to do something about it.
If they're going to get something out of cheating with no serious repercussions then yes, I will cheat too and hopefully if enough people do it, they'll either stop releasing bugs or start taking cheating seriously. If we're going to criticize the cheaters who abuse exploits, then we are definitely going to criticize Kabam as well for their carelessness cause this isn't just on the cheaters, it's on Kabam too.
You said you were going to miss out on a free 7* again. I'd like to know how that logic applies.
You didn't read the lol at the end? That was obviously satire and an exaggeration. Even though some of it is true since some accounts have 7* on their accounts right now which they're going to keep since they weren't removed when the temp bans happened.
All of this is conjecture. You're basing it on an obsessive monitoring of an Account's Profile. I don't think Kabam needs our help to decide the best course of action.
If they choose to leave a Post detailing what they did, then debate that, but at this point it's really not helping the situation to create hypotheticals while they work and react to those.
It was said before in this Thread. They're going to do what they're going to do.

What are you even talking about you didn't see any of the posts made on Friday from people who were banned explaining they got to keep some of the stuff? The fact that this account I've been checking since the exploit happened still has a 7* and the fact that I found another one who also has a 7* (Cav btw, no way they could've got a 7* without the mythic crystals bug) further proves that the people who made the posts saying they got to keep some of the stuff, aren't lying. There's no conjecture here, just you being delusional as per usual fighting with the entire community for absolutely no reason lol.

GroundedWisdom

Sure. If that's what you think, then have at it. Good luck with your quest.

AlexAvalon

They aren’t going to roll back anything, at absolute most they’ll remove the champs from the opened crystals but even that I doubt, I’ll believe it when I see it done en masse to all the accounts that opened over 1,000 mythics. They gave a few extra side quest gate opening entries as a very fair and even trade for the 1150 crystals the ppl who exploited the bug got. Historically, they say they’re gonna take the stuff back but they never do bc it is a difficult process, it really isn’t but I suspect the mcoc team is alot smaller then ppl think given the amount of bugs released with new champs and content. I hate to say it but most likely those people will keep everything they got from the mythics and maybe we’ll get some free stuff for being left out but that’s as far as it’ll likely go no matter what they’ve announced and said they’re gonna do about it.

ItsClobberinTime

They aren’t going to roll back anything, at absolute most they’ll remove the champs from the opened crystals but even that I doubt, I’ll believe it when I see it done en masse to all the accounts that opened over 1,000 mythics. They gave a few extra side quest gate opening entries as a very fair and even trade for the 1150 crystals the ppl who exploited the bug got. Historically, they say they’re gonna take the stuff back but they never do bc it is a difficult process, it really isn’t but I suspect the mcoc team is alot smaller then ppl think given the amount of bugs released with new champs and content. I hate to say it but most likely those people will keep everything they got from the mythics and maybe we’ll get some free stuff for being left out but that’s as far as it’ll likely go no matter what they’ve announced and said they’re gonna do about it.

They already removed most of the stuff from the accounts that opened the crystals, the issue is some accounts got to keep some of the stuff regardless, which yes is still wrong.

Usagicassidy

Sure. If that's what you think, then have at it. Good luck with your quest.

Just go away.

GroundedWisdom

The Forum is here for everyone. Not just for people who back up what we post.

[Deleted User]

The Forum is here for everyone. Not just for people who back up what we post.

We agree, but it seems your whole point is that we should just shut up and let Kabam do whatever they want. The only reason Kabam doesn't make as many anti-playerbase decisions as they'd like is because the community voices our concerns. Then you come along and ask us to let Kabam do whatever Kabam is gonna do. That's not helpful, that's not an opinion, it's just silencing.

GroundedWisdom

The Forum is here for everyone. Not just for people who back up what we post.
We agree, but it seems your whole point is that we should just shut up and let Kabam do whatever they want. The only reason Kabam doesn't make as many anti-playerbase decisions as they'd like is because the community voices our concerns. Then you come along and ask us to let Kabam do whatever Kabam is gonna do. That's not helpful, that's not an opinion, it's just silencing.

Are you under the impression we have a say in what actions Kabam takes for punitive measures?

[Deleted User]

The Forum is here for everyone. Not just for people who back up what we post.
We agree, but it seems your whole point is that we should just shut up and let Kabam do whatever they want. The only reason Kabam doesn't make as many anti-playerbase decisions as they'd like is because the community voices our concerns. Then you come along and ask us to let Kabam do whatever Kabam is gonna do. That's not helpful, that's not an opinion, it's just silencing.
Are you under the impression we have a say in what actions Kabam takes for punitive measures?

Again, you're assuming punitive measures. Nobody said any of that. I wouldn't call it a punitive measure to reverse an unintended shift in the economy that affects all players.

ItsClobberinTime

The Forum is here for everyone. Not just for people who back up what we post.
We agree, but it seems your whole point is that we should just shut up and let Kabam do whatever they want. The only reason Kabam doesn't make as many anti-playerbase decisions as they'd like is because the community voices our concerns. Then you come along and ask us to let Kabam do whatever Kabam is gonna do. That's not helpful, that's not an opinion, it's just silencing.
Are you under the impression we have a say in what actions Kabam takes for punitive measures?

Nobody said that lol at this point it just sounds like you're mad that people are still discussing this issue and want it to actually be fixed because they're not satisfied with the outcome (which is understandable since for the tenth time, some of these accounts didn't have everything taken away from them completely)

GroundedWisdom

The Forum is here for everyone. Not just for people who back up what we post.
We agree, but it seems your whole point is that we should just shut up and let Kabam do whatever they want. The only reason Kabam doesn't make as many anti-playerbase decisions as they'd like is because the community voices our concerns. Then you come along and ask us to let Kabam do whatever Kabam is gonna do. That's not helpful, that's not an opinion, it's just silencing.
Are you under the impression we have a say in what actions Kabam takes for punitive measures?
Again, you're assuming punitive measures. Nobody said any of that. I wouldn't call it a punitive measure to reverse an unintended shift in the economy that affects all players.

In the technical sense, I suppose it affects all Players, but it entirely depends on how many Players keep how many Champs.
For the record, I could care less if they keep them or not. I'm in agreement that ideally they wouldn't keep anything.
The point I've been making is Kabam is either going to remove everything, or they're going to take care of what they need to take care of to the best of their ability, and the rest...which I've already outlined...is collateral damage.
I don't care what the general consensus is about their competency. They're not going to put that much effort into this and leave something that is game-altering in any significant way.
There's something that affects the game in a way that is destructive for the whole, and there's something that has a small ripple effect in the overall scheme.
I hope they do remove everything. If something is left, there has to be a reason for it. That's my point. It isn't always a matter of all-or-nothing.

[Deleted User]

The Forum is here for everyone. Not just for people who back up what we post.
We agree, but it seems your whole point is that we should just shut up and let Kabam do whatever they want. The only reason Kabam doesn't make as many anti-playerbase decisions as they'd like is because the community voices our concerns. Then you come along and ask us to let Kabam do whatever Kabam is gonna do. That's not helpful, that's not an opinion, it's just silencing.
Are you under the impression we have a say in what actions Kabam takes for punitive measures?
Again, you're assuming punitive measures. Nobody said any of that. I wouldn't call it a punitive measure to reverse an unintended shift in the economy that affects all players.
In the technical sense, I suppose it affects all Players, but it entirely depends on how many Players keep how many Champs.
For the record, I could care less if they keep them or not. I'm in agreement that ideally they wouldn't keep anything.
The point I've been making is Kabam is either going to remove everything, or they're going to take care of what they need to take care of to the best of their ability, and the rest...which I've already outlined...is collateral damage.
I don't care what the general consensus is about their competency. They're not going to put that much effort into this and leave something that is game-altering in any significant way.
There's something that affects the game in a way that is destructive for the whole, and there's something that has a small ripple effect in the overall scheme.
I hope they do remove everything. If something is left, there has to be a reason for it. That's my point. It isn't always a matter of all-or-nothing.

But those are all just assumptions. What if their reasoning is just that they don't want to invest the resources, even if this does cause massive issues across mcoc? Maybe you're okay with that, but pretending everyone should be is not logical.

Kabam has the money to fix these issues, you know that. But they don't because they decide that their reputation is worth less than the cost of maintaining it. That is a trade off they must be okay with when they make these decisions. Threads like these are the only way to ensure that Kabam is aware of the impact on the community that their decisions have. If the Forums didn't exist, then these conversations wouldn't exist and Kabam wouldn't be fully aware of the community's stance on these issues. That would lead players to stop spending money since their voices clearly wouldn't be heard. This game would've died long ago if players couldn't voice their disproval with Kabam's methods. Your attempts to speak for Kabam while silencing players just shows how little you understand about the mutual benefit that both parties receive from threads like these.

And again, "there has to be reason for it" is not a sentence based in fact or even opinion. Using that logic, 1,250 Mythic Crystals ended up in a lot of players accounts recently. There has to be a reason for that, right?

GroundedWisdom

The Forum is here for everyone. Not just for people who back up what we post.
We agree, but it seems your whole point is that we should just shut up and let Kabam do whatever they want. The only reason Kabam doesn't make as many anti-playerbase decisions as they'd like is because the community voices our concerns. Then you come along and ask us to let Kabam do whatever Kabam is gonna do. That's not helpful, that's not an opinion, it's just silencing.
Are you under the impression we have a say in what actions Kabam takes for punitive measures?
Again, you're assuming punitive measures. Nobody said any of that. I wouldn't call it a punitive measure to reverse an unintended shift in the economy that affects all players.
In the technical sense, I suppose it affects all Players, but it entirely depends on how many Players keep how many Champs.
For the record, I could care less if they keep them or not. I'm in agreement that ideally they wouldn't keep anything.
The point I've been making is Kabam is either going to remove everything, or they're going to take care of what they need to take care of to the best of their ability, and the rest...which I've already outlined...is collateral damage.
I don't care what the general consensus is about their competency. They're not going to put that much effort into this and leave something that is game-altering in any significant way.
There's something that affects the game in a way that is destructive for the whole, and there's something that has a small ripple effect in the overall scheme.
I hope they do remove everything. If something is left, there has to be a reason for it. That's my point. It isn't always a matter of all-or-nothing.
But those are all just assumptions. What if their reasoning is just that they don't want to invest the resources, even if this does cause massive issues across mcoc? Maybe you're okay with that, but pretending everyone should be is not logical.

Kabam has the money to fix these issues, you know that. But they don't because they decide that their reputation is worth less than the cost of maintaining it. That is a trade off they must be okay with when they make these decisions. Threads like these are the only way to ensure that Kabam is aware of the impact on the community that their decisions have. If the Forums didn't exist, then these conversations wouldn't exist and Kabam wouldn't be fully aware of the community's stance on these issues. That would lead players to stop spending money since their voices clearly wouldn't be heard. This game would've died long ago if players couldn't voice their disproval with Kabam's methods. Your attempts to speak for Kabam while silencing players just shows how little you understand about the mutual benefit that both parties receive from threads like these.

And again, "there has to be reason for it" is not a sentence based in fact or even opinion. Using that logic, 1,250 Mythic Crystals ended up in a lot of players accounts recently. There has to be a reason for that, right?

This entire Thread has been based on assumptions. I don't have the ability to silence anyone. That doesn't mean I'm not going to point out when people are flapping around like they're on fire.
Implying they're going to leave something in the game that's majorly damaging just to save money and in the same token implying I have little knowledge about how these things work is really quite the projection. Regardless, they're not going to do that.
I don't speak for Kabam. I speak for common sense. There's nothing reasonable about monitoring Kabam's actions in this by checking Accounts over and over, and making assumptions on their progress. That's not the process of giving and taking feedback. It's a bystander attempt at an internal review.

ItsClobberinTime

Assumptions lol I've provided screenshots of what his account looked like before vs what it looks like now but yeah these are just "assumptions" folks.

GroundedWisdom

Assumptions lol I've provided screenshots of what his account looked like before vs what it looks like now but yeah these are just "assumptions" folks.

You mean making assumptions about what they're going to leave and what they aren't, what their reasons are, what people are "getting away with", what people will think next time this happens, if there is a next time something like this happens.....shall I go on?