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End of an Era - Ban wave v3

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    Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 2,237 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    this is the gift that keeps on giving
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    Smokely7Smokely7 Posts: 175 β˜…β˜…
    edited August 2023
    DNA3000 said:



    In general, players aren't banned permanently for first time offenses. They are sometimes banned permanently for repeated offenses when the previous offenses did not draw a ban and they are sometimes banned permanently for first time offenses that are especially eggregious.

    ...

    At the end of the day, Kabam doesn't ban cheaters because the cheaters injured them and they are taking revenge. Kabam bans cheaters because the cheaters injure the other players, and Kabam has to protect everyone else from cheaters or those players might decide the game isn't worth playing. So yeah, some of those cheaters might have "stuck around with the game" for a long time, but Kabam has to pick a side: side with the minority of cheaters who are hurting everyone else, or side with the majority who don't cheat and just want to play the game free of the consequences of cheaters. When Kabam bans, they are picking a side. They are siding with us, and not with you.

    I agree with 100% with the exception that cheating does cost kabam money. Maybe more indirectly, ie. From losing players or from players cheating through tough content otherwise needed spending on to get through. But yes this OP cheated multiple times but is oddly trying to excuse previous cheats as "not a big deal" and with perma-ban now for continued cheating, definitely deserves this. As others have said: GOOD RIDDANCE!
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    Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 2,237 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Smokely7 said:

    DNA3000 said:



    In general, players aren't banned permanently for first time offenses. They are sometimes banned permanently for repeated offenses when the previous offenses did not draw a ban and they are sometimes banned permanently for first time offenses that are especially eggregious.

    ...

    At the end of the day, Kabam doesn't ban cheaters because the cheaters injured them and they are taking revenge. Kabam bans cheaters because the cheaters injure the other players, and Kabam has to protect everyone else from cheaters or those players might decide the game isn't worth playing. So yeah, some of those cheaters might have "stuck around with the game" for a long time, but Kabam has to pick a side: side with the minority of cheaters who are hurting everyone else, or side with the majority who don't cheat and just want to play the game free of the consequences of cheaters. When Kabam bans, they are picking a side. They are siding with us, and not with you.

    I agree with 100% with the exception that cheating does cost kabam money. Maybe more indirectly, ie. From losing players or from players cheating through tough content otherwise needed spending on to get through. But yes this OP cheated multiple times but is oddly trying to excuse previous cheats as "not a big deal" and with perma-ban now for continued cheating, definitely deserves this. As others have said: GOOD RIDDANCE!
    also not to mention it costs them money by just needing to have and run a FAIR PLAY team. so it literally costs them money in the form of resources and labour hours.

    not to mention if a player pays a merc instead of spending on the game to complete the content.
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    Dibang85Dibang85 Posts: 49 β˜…
    And the "wainer" is ... @Macmucito !!!
    Congratulations !
    You played with rules, you lost. Final point.

    And insinuate that Kabam broke your life ... ah ah ah. Get a life first.
    The game needs time and investment, you chose to give a lot but also to cheat. You took risks by yourself.

    Game is not real life, if you're unable to make the difference so don't play and instead pay a psychologist to help you having a "real" and "social" life.

    Congrats Kabam for this decision, even if they lost spenders. It's a huge positive sign for legit players, whether they spend a lot, a bit or nothing. THANK YOU !
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    DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 19,066 Guardian
    Smokely7 said:

    DNA3000 said:



    In general, players aren't banned permanently for first time offenses. They are sometimes banned permanently for repeated offenses when the previous offenses did not draw a ban and they are sometimes banned permanently for first time offenses that are especially eggregious.

    ...

    At the end of the day, Kabam doesn't ban cheaters because the cheaters injured them and they are taking revenge. Kabam bans cheaters because the cheaters injure the other players, and Kabam has to protect everyone else from cheaters or those players might decide the game isn't worth playing. So yeah, some of those cheaters might have "stuck around with the game" for a long time, but Kabam has to pick a side: side with the minority of cheaters who are hurting everyone else, or side with the majority who don't cheat and just want to play the game free of the consequences of cheaters. When Kabam bans, they are picking a side. They are siding with us, and not with you.

    I agree with 100% with the exception that cheating does cost kabam money. Maybe more indirectly, ie. From losing players or from players cheating through tough content otherwise needed spending on to get through. But yes this OP cheated multiple times but is oddly trying to excuse previous cheats as "not a big deal" and with perma-ban now for continued cheating, definitely deserves this. As others have said: GOOD RIDDANCE!
    This is a bit of an oversimplification. The argument is sometimes made that banning cheaters costs Kabam the money those cheaters would have spent in the future. Some people argue that’s a good reason not to permanently ban cheaters, and other argue that because of this Kabam *won’t* permanently ban cheaters that spend. The idea is that the small amount of revenue that Kabam loses because cheaters don’t have to spend as much is offset by the money they do spend, so it doesn’t make financial sense to lose that revenue with permanent bans.

    But the cost of cheating is not in the relatively tiny revenue Kabam loses because a cheater gets ahead without having to spend cash. The cost of cheating is in the loss of players who decide the game is not worth investing time and money into because of cheating. That’s what makes even the largest whale not worth protecting. No one spends so much money that Kabam can afford to lose all the players that unmitigated cheating will cost them in the future..
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    BulmktBulmkt Posts: 1,601 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    You break the stated rules there should be consequences
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    SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 21,877 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    ahmynuts said:

    Will this thread get more disagrees than the one where it was suggested to remove story milestones? It seems to be on that trajectory lol

    the real question is will it pass the β€œnerf doom or give everybody doom” thread
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    DawkinsDawkins Posts: 6 β˜…
    lmaoooooo....bye bye. good riddance.
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    ReignkingTWReignkingTW Posts: 2,691 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Would someone please think of the mercs?
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    HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Posts: 826 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    Just learn your lesson and start a new account. You'll be competitive in no time.
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    BuckeyeshaBuckeyesha Posts: 202 β˜…

    Macmucito said:

    I noticed couple who replied haven't read the table clearly. I do not justify Kabam bans. I do not support cheaters either. Permanent ban for constant/multiple violation is acceptable. My sole opinion is "Permanent ban" for first time violation is just too much. I also notice that most of these repliers are from 2019 ERA where many players quit as I stated in my discussion and newbies came into the MCOC community clearly not knowing how the game was back in 2014-2019 period. So It's not surprising to see them being harsh that first time offenders must face lifetime/permanently punishable judgement.



    The difference is Kabam making money, it's not that hard, they're a company, they want to make money, it's why they exist.

    I hope this don't get your account into trouble, As you are clearly damaging Good will of Kabam by stating Kabam only cares for their players money and they don't care about their players state/joy.
    To be clear, my first account on an old phone I have since lost access to was made in 2015, I'm as "OG" as they get. I remember the days when shards weren't a thing for crystals, the only way to feasibly get a 4 star was basically spending units or 100%ing act 3

    And I never said they "only care for their player's money", it's just that that is the main driving factor behind most companies existing. I just think it's weird to think Kabam should be okay with other player's profiting in ways that they don't want or does not profit them. It is directly taking money out of their pockets.
    Umm I started this game in Jan 2015, I still have my original account, never been banned, never cheated, don't spend a lot. I started out as f2p, and to this day have not spent a lot on this game. I have progressed through the game based on how I wanted to play.
    I don't think that Brian grant, or rich the man would agree with you on f2p not progressing, even though rich used to spend, he is f2p now. BG has never spent. So don't say you cannot progress.
    I have 2 accounts..1 spend 1 f2p...both paragon..both prestige over 15k, both have at least 5 7* champs. both 100% all acts (except 6)...only f2p does NOT have a 6*R5...

    SO BUTCH UP AND PLAY THE GAME HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED!!!!
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,386 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…



    Au revoir, cheaters! πŸ‘‹

    That video. I got some mileage when I first saw it. Lol.
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    Mylo_ZylotoMylo_Zyloto Posts: 26 β˜…
    Macmucito said:

    Let's talk about Ban Wave v3. Several accounts appear to have been banned roughly 6-7 hours ago. The majority of the accounts are incredibly OG players from the beginning of the game, and some of them were also huge spenders. Regardless of previous ban history whether they have ever been banned or not in their life time, Kabam has issued them a permanent ban for violating the Terms of Service, which I find completely unreasonable. As any OG player knows, Kabam has made numerous blunders in the game, particularly with bugs and glitches. There was even a period in 2019-2020 when many gamers abandoned the game owing to Kabam's adjustments. Prior to that when Kabam decided to nerf champions like Dr. Strange or the Scarlet Witch dilemma (an OG would know). F2P literally does not exist in the game anymore, nor can F2P players advance very far.

    Despite this, a large number of OG players remained loyal to Kabam and insisted on continuing to play the game. Even with the recent updates, which emphasize spending money in the game to advance, the players decided to stick with it. Kabam must understand that majority of these gamers play the game for amusement and to escape from their hectic lives, which is why they commit to it. However, what is extremely ridiculous is that they were handed a permanent ban (even if they were never banned previously) in the following cases:

    β€’ Players who gave accounts to Merc - Considering It's now about paying money to progress, What difference does It make you pay to Kabam or to your friend to help finish some content for you? It shouldn't be a violation in first place. Why do you think there are various workers in real life? Because one person cannot do multiple types of Jobs hence we hire someone or pay someone to get the work done. Isn't is what Kabam as a Company pay for their employees? There are different departments because that is real life.

    Let's be honest: some claim it's all about your own ability to advance and not allowing others to play. But that was the old MCOC, but the current MCOC is all about spending money to advance in the game. So, how exactly do you make this money? Well, you invest your skill in real life work/occupation and earn money, but where would you find time to play the game or finish contents when the contents only get bigger every month, unlike before where one could actually spend his/her evening finishing a content? So you can only spend the money because you won't have time to play this game, so you hire a merc to finish the content for you. On the other hand, if you don't make money and have a lot of spare time to play by yourself, as we all know, F2P cannot progress in this game anymore, thus it will take you a year to get the same level as someone who spends money. It is Kabam who has led the situation for an increased usage of Merc yet then they ban players for it as violation of ToS? How so justifiable?

    β€’ Usage of Exploits / Emulators to gain advantage over another player - Personally, I agree with Kabam's decision to ban such players because it portrays a negative/dirty image of the Marvel community. However, what I and other OGs (people who have been with MCOC since 2014) disagree on is that everyone makes mistakes. Frustration can sometimes lead to poor decisions or routes. Especially OGs who is still sticking to this game knows all the frustrations they have gone through over the past 9 years yet decides to stick around as for love towards Marvel characters and habit. We are all humans, not AI - A permanent ban for somebody who has never been banned before is completely unforgiving. If the roles were reversed and players deserted MCOC owing to Kabam difficulties with the gameplay, Marvel Contest of Champions would not exist today. Something Kabam failed to recognize: the players were forgiving, but Kabam, question yourself. Were you tolerant? No, considering you permanently blacklisted players who have never been banned in their lives and have remained faithful to you.

    β€’ Account Sharing - This is plainly for AW Piloting, and I simply agree that it is penalized because it is a war between 30-30 people, and unlike the timing issue for contents mentioned above, AW fights do not take hours to complete. As a result, it is entirely skill-based and must be played by oneself.

    As we know - result of all violations leads to one thing and that's called BAN aka you have been KABAMMED.

    β€’ Proper banning system - Instead, Kabam should implement a system in which a player is initially banned for 24 hours as a warning, then banned for 7 days, and finally permanently banned if they violate again in 6 months. This record expires every 6 months period. This type of banning system would be very merciful given the opportunities given to players and would lessen dissatisfaction on the part of the players, as Kabam must recognize that choices over permanent bans can cause major real-life issues (due to anger/frustration). One could even isolate himself from everyone simply because he is outraged that his/her account has been permanently banned, especially those who have put a significant amount of time and money (whether paid to Kabam/Merc) into the game. Players who have been really serious in the game may end up making unsafe decisions in real life as a result of any poor decisions as mentioned above. Kabam, as a member of the Marvel Community, should prioritize the health and well-being of their players over making permanent decisions that may harm their players' life.

    When players are permanently banned (especially when they haven't committed any violations in the past or for an extended length of time), it's simply not the proper option. To anyone who replies, No, they violated the first time and deserve a permanent suspension. Let's look at a real-life example. If you were pulled over by a cop for any traffic infraction for first time in your DL history, would you like to be given a warning or would you prefer the cop to be unforgiving and permanently seize your DL and give you a straight up huge ticket / pull you into court? You have your answer there.

    Having saying that, please feel free to express your thoughts! Personally, I think of Kabam and its long-term players that have always stood by side and supported expanding MCOC into the larger community that it is now. Especially for those who are well-versed in the game. Kabam should consider unbanning any recently banned accounts that haven't had any bans in the last 6 months, and then implement a genuine banning mechanism which includes a warning ban to respect fair-play and be merciful to its loyal players.

    Anyone interested in learning more about me? I used to be a War Champion / War Elite [NY718] - Known as Noob King back in the day, and I spent a lot of money on the game. Nonetheless, I left the alliance and moved to another alliance for relax play. I was banned in the 2020 March ban wave. Personally, the majority of us utilize VPN. I was using a VPN for privacy purpose and randomly playing AW maneuvers when I got permanently banned for account sharing as AW piloting (I had no previous bans). I attempted to contact Kabam after the ban, even one year later in 2021, to request an unban, but their response is the same template stating that bans are final. I myself made very awful judgments in real life out of frustration, and I even severely destroyed my university grades, which still effect me today as for career. It took me months to recover from my melancholy and difficulty, and I now see a couple of my friends in the same boat.

    That being said, I speak on behalf of many people I know and have known for over 9 years in the MCOC neighborhood. I feel it is past time for Kabam to recognize the consequences of such irrevocable actions on its players' lives and begin to rectify.

    Signed,
    OG Player

    So originally I was going to make fun of the OP, but after reading the whole post I have to say:

    OP I am concerned for your mental health. The reactions you posted here are indicative of an over response to getting banned from this game. I am concerned for your health and safety and I hope you have seen a therapist or would consider seeing one to talk through these feelings and experiences you have had.
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    ahmynutsahmynuts Posts: 6,716 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…

    Macmucito said:

    Let's talk about Ban Wave v3. Several accounts appear to have been banned roughly 6-7 hours ago. The majority of the accounts are incredibly OG players from the beginning of the game, and some of them were also huge spenders. Regardless of previous ban history whether they have ever been banned or not in their life time, Kabam has issued them a permanent ban for violating the Terms of Service, which I find completely unreasonable. As any OG player knows, Kabam has made numerous blunders in the game, particularly with bugs and glitches. There was even a period in 2019-2020 when many gamers abandoned the game owing to Kabam's adjustments. Prior to that when Kabam decided to nerf champions like Dr. Strange or the Scarlet Witch dilemma (an OG would know). F2P literally does not exist in the game anymore, nor can F2P players advance very far.

    Despite this, a large number of OG players remained loyal to Kabam and insisted on continuing to play the game. Even with the recent updates, which emphasize spending money in the game to advance, the players decided to stick with it. Kabam must understand that majority of these gamers play the game for amusement and to escape from their hectic lives, which is why they commit to it. However, what is extremely ridiculous is that they were handed a permanent ban (even if they were never banned previously) in the following cases:

    β€’ Players who gave accounts to Merc - Considering It's now about paying money to progress, What difference does It make you pay to Kabam or to your friend to help finish some content for you? It shouldn't be a violation in first place. Why do you think there are various workers in real life? Because one person cannot do multiple types of Jobs hence we hire someone or pay someone to get the work done. Isn't is what Kabam as a Company pay for their employees? There are different departments because that is real life.

    Let's be honest: some claim it's all about your own ability to advance and not allowing others to play. But that was the old MCOC, but the current MCOC is all about spending money to advance in the game. So, how exactly do you make this money? Well, you invest your skill in real life work/occupation and earn money, but where would you find time to play the game or finish contents when the contents only get bigger every month, unlike before where one could actually spend his/her evening finishing a content? So you can only spend the money because you won't have time to play this game, so you hire a merc to finish the content for you. On the other hand, if you don't make money and have a lot of spare time to play by yourself, as we all know, F2P cannot progress in this game anymore, thus it will take you a year to get the same level as someone who spends money. It is Kabam who has led the situation for an increased usage of Merc yet then they ban players for it as violation of ToS? How so justifiable?

    β€’ Usage of Exploits / Emulators to gain advantage over another player - Personally, I agree with Kabam's decision to ban such players because it portrays a negative/dirty image of the Marvel community. However, what I and other OGs (people who have been with MCOC since 2014) disagree on is that everyone makes mistakes. Frustration can sometimes lead to poor decisions or routes. Especially OGs who is still sticking to this game knows all the frustrations they have gone through over the past 9 years yet decides to stick around as for love towards Marvel characters and habit. We are all humans, not AI - A permanent ban for somebody who has never been banned before is completely unforgiving. If the roles were reversed and players deserted MCOC owing to Kabam difficulties with the gameplay, Marvel Contest of Champions would not exist today. Something Kabam failed to recognize: the players were forgiving, but Kabam, question yourself. Were you tolerant? No, considering you permanently blacklisted players who have never been banned in their lives and have remained faithful to you.

    β€’ Account Sharing - This is plainly for AW Piloting, and I simply agree that it is penalized because it is a war between 30-30 people, and unlike the timing issue for contents mentioned above, AW fights do not take hours to complete. As a result, it is entirely skill-based and must be played by oneself.

    As we know - result of all violations leads to one thing and that's called BAN aka you have been KABAMMED.

    β€’ Proper banning system - Instead, Kabam should implement a system in which a player is initially banned for 24 hours as a warning, then banned for 7 days, and finally permanently banned if they violate again in 6 months. This record expires every 6 months period. This type of banning system would be very merciful given the opportunities given to players and would lessen dissatisfaction on the part of the players, as Kabam must recognize that choices over permanent bans can cause major real-life issues (due to anger/frustration). One could even isolate himself from everyone simply because he is outraged that his/her account has been permanently banned, especially those who have put a significant amount of time and money (whether paid to Kabam/Merc) into the game. Players who have been really serious in the game may end up making unsafe decisions in real life as a result of any poor decisions as mentioned above. Kabam, as a member of the Marvel Community, should prioritize the health and well-being of their players over making permanent decisions that may harm their players' life.

    When players are permanently banned (especially when they haven't committed any violations in the past or for an extended length of time), it's simply not the proper option. To anyone who replies, No, they violated the first time and deserve a permanent suspension. Let's look at a real-life example. If you were pulled over by a cop for any traffic infraction for first time in your DL history, would you like to be given a warning or would you prefer the cop to be unforgiving and permanently seize your DL and give you a straight up huge ticket / pull you into court? You have your answer there.

    Having saying that, please feel free to express your thoughts! Personally, I think of Kabam and its long-term players that have always stood by side and supported expanding MCOC into the larger community that it is now. Especially for those who are well-versed in the game. Kabam should consider unbanning any recently banned accounts that haven't had any bans in the last 6 months, and then implement a genuine banning mechanism which includes a warning ban to respect fair-play and be merciful to its loyal players.

    Anyone interested in learning more about me? I used to be a War Champion / War Elite [NY718] - Known as Noob King back in the day, and I spent a lot of money on the game. Nonetheless, I left the alliance and moved to another alliance for relax play. I was banned in the 2020 March ban wave. Personally, the majority of us utilize VPN. I was using a VPN for privacy purpose and randomly playing AW maneuvers when I got permanently banned for account sharing as AW piloting (I had no previous bans). I attempted to contact Kabam after the ban, even one year later in 2021, to request an unban, but their response is the same template stating that bans are final. I myself made very awful judgments in real life out of frustration, and I even severely destroyed my university grades, which still effect me today as for career. It took me months to recover from my melancholy and difficulty, and I now see a couple of my friends in the same boat.

    That being said, I speak on behalf of many people I know and have known for over 9 years in the MCOC neighborhood. I feel it is past time for Kabam to recognize the consequences of such irrevocable actions on its players' lives and begin to rectify.

    Signed,
    OG Player

    So originally I was going to make fun of the OP, but after reading the whole post I have to say:

    OP I am concerned for your mental health. The reactions you posted here are indicative of an over response to getting banned from this game. I am concerned for your health and safety and I hope you have seen a therapist or would consider seeing one to talk through these feelings and experiences you have had.
    I think it's just guilt bait in a failed attempt to get kabam to be like "oh no we couldn't possibly do that to another human" and listen to them
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    LeinadSagravLeinadSagrav Posts: 16 β˜…
    edited August 2023
    Well, thanks for making this stupid post and making my day πŸ˜‚ it’s just laughable
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    klobberintymeklobberintyme Posts: 1,504 β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…

    @Kabam Miike if we get this thread to 200 disagrees can we have a pizza party

    If so, Friday's my cheat day. That would be super.
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    Man2thMan2th Posts: 54 β˜…
    You can’t make this stuff upπŸ˜‚

    You wrote a book to validate cheating… what you talking about Willis πŸ˜‚
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