They're finally nerfing Energy Refils in act 5

Eb0ny-O-M4w · August 2023

Probably not going to trigger as much as it was with the revive nerf, but oh well

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/343216/following-up-changes-to-drop-rates-in-act-5-revamp#latest

Drago_von_Drago · August 2023

I’m glad they are being transparent and not trying to hide it at least. I disagree with the rational and decision but I support the honesty in the reason for the change.

BigPoppaCBONE · August 2023

Every blind person on Earth could have seen this coming.

Rahul_1423 · August 2023

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Probably not going to trigger as much as it was with the revive nerf, but oh well

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/343216/following-up-changes-to-drop-rates-in-act-5-revamp#latest

Are you sure its only going to refill nerf or total nerf of drop rates for revives and refills ?

L0TUS_MANTIS · August 2023

I get it. Not upset. But couldn't they have just gated the quest to 6* and under

Demonzfyre · August 2023

Ok.

None of these is from farming. 90% are from Paragon 4hr crystals.

Fantomaxop · August 2023

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Probably not going to trigger as much as it was with the revive nerf, but oh well

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/343216/following-up-changes-to-drop-rates-in-act-5-revamp#latest

And yet another nail in a coffin of FTP. Except this time Kascam doesn't even have guts to release poor farming land like apothecary to compensate for lack of place to farm energy refills.
Also i wonder how this will affect online in bg? I know many people who farmed energy refills in 5.3.6 explicitly to play battlegrounds

Buttehrs · August 2023

This is really only a problem for two groups of people. Hard-core battleground users and people who spend entirely too much time on a video game. I have probably 30 full refills in overflow at all time.

Demonzfyre · August 2023

Fantomaxop said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Probably not going to trigger as much as it was with the revive nerf, but oh well

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/343216/following-up-changes-to-drop-rates-in-act-5-revamp#latest
And yet another nail in a coffin of FTP. Except this time Kascam doesn't even have guts to release poor farming land like apothecary to compensate for lack of place to farm energy refills.
Also i wonder how this will affect online in bg? I know many people who farmed energy refills in 5.3.6 explicitly to play battlegrounds

There are so many free revives everywhere. Way more availability than pots and revives.

Standardman1989 · August 2023

The redesign of Act 4/5 was just an excuse to suppress energy.

It will change my game in a negative way, with the battlegrounds and all the levels of the quests to do how do you want to have enough energy each time. In short, I'm disappointed but good life goes on …

iDestroyerZ · August 2023

L0TUS_MANTIS said:
I get it. Not upset. But couldn't they have just gated the quest to 6* and under

They can but they don't want to, i think they wanted to nerf this for a good long while and they were just waiting for an excuse, which was the 7* thing

Searmenis · August 2023

"a very small number of Summoners were farming in these quest" (questS).
Well yes, since there s no recent content that requires 40+ revives to finish. When that comes again, they expect us to start buying units.

Standardman1989 · August 2023

Very disappointed... How did they do all the events every month without energy? Another totally contradictory decision...

ahmynuts · August 2023

I wasnt saying anything but 5.3.6 was lowkey autoplayable and i did it a bunch lol. Sad to see it go

Eb0ny-O-M4w · August 2023

Just to point out, I have absolutely no problem with obtaining energy refils. I don't even open arena crystals (7kk battlechips) because I know that it would all go to waste

Pikolu · August 2023

Searmenis said:
"a very small number of Summoners were farming in these quest" (questS).
Well yes, since there s no recent content that requires 40+ revives to finish. When that comes again, they expect us to start buying units.

In all fairness, with the time and effort required to put into it and the severe lack of return on energy, you're better off just hitting milestones in arena.

Searmenis · August 2023

Pikolu said:

Searmenis said:
"a very small number of Summoners were farming in these quest" (questS).
Well yes, since there s no recent content that requires 40+ revives to finish. When that comes again, they expect us to start buying units.
In all fairness, with the time and effort required to put into it and the severe lack of return on energy, you're better off just hitting milestones in arena.

I would agree, if there wasn't an immerge increase of units demand for offers. This actually reinforce the dilemma, buy revives for top edge content, or buy the offers?

nOux · August 2023

Hey Kabam if it’s so “problematic” that players in upcoming future could autoplay and farm those revives/refills why don’t u relocate same drop rates to act 6-8 so players would not be able to autoplay and still put in time in to playing the game and farming resources needed for clearing the content. U know, doing that fundamental thing in the video game called playing the game.
But again thats asking greedy company to be fair, which is pretty stupid of me.

July 4th deals ruined every single bit of this game economy and now this.
Good luck to everyone in “playing” this Contest of Buying Cash Deals and battling bugs on daily basis.

Shoe_2 · August 2023

Extremely disappointing to see but I do hope they can make these resources farmable in the higher acts. Without this its literally impossible to do so much of the harder content they put out.

DNA3000 · August 2023

Fantomaxop said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Probably not going to trigger as much as it was with the revive nerf, but oh well

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/343216/following-up-changes-to-drop-rates-in-act-5-revamp#latest
And yet another nail in a coffin of FTP. Except this time Kascam doesn't even have guts to release poor farming land like apothecary to compensate for lack of place to farm energy refills.
Also i wonder how this will affect online in bg? I know many people who farmed energy refills in 5.3.6 explicitly to play battlegrounds

Grinding arena milestones and buying refills with the units was faster than farming 5.3.6. An F2P player that needed energy to play Battlegrounds would only profit from farming 5.3.6 after exhausting all of the milestones in the arena every cycle. Very few players put in that sort of time, and were still starving for energy.

Kingcole1 · August 2023

Typical kabam so quick to nerf anything that benefits ftp players. While the continued connection issues,lag,input issues remain prominent in the game. I still haven’t recovered from them nerfing the 20% revives. But if I was spending tons of cash on them that makes it ok. Just don’t farm for free. Ok got it. The hypocrisy is REAL.

startropics · August 2023

nerfing their own content so they can shamelessly remove items...gross. what's next, removing battlechips from arena because of infinite farming? "that much arena was never intended...."

farming is a time consuming headache and not worth the time, but some players do it so why mess with it? how are players supposed to finish all difficulties of event quest or farm points in battlegrounds?

where are we supposed to get refills and revives for everest content now? this wouldn't be much a problem if july 4 and cyber weekend deals were only 15k like they used to be instead of 40k.

Aomine_Daiki10 · August 2023

DNA3000 said:

Fantomaxop said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Probably not going to trigger as much as it was with the revive nerf, but oh well

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/343216/following-up-changes-to-drop-rates-in-act-5-revamp#latest
And yet another nail in a coffin of FTP. Except this time Kascam doesn't even have guts to release poor farming land like apothecary to compensate for lack of place to farm energy refills.
Also i wonder how this will affect online in bg? I know many people who farmed energy refills in 5.3.6 explicitly to play battlegrounds
Grinding arena milestones and buying refills with the units was faster than farming 5.3.6. An F2P player that needed energy to play Battlegrounds would only profit from farming 5.3.6 after exhausting all of the milestones in the arena every cycle. Very few players put in that sort of time, and were still starving for energy.

You obviously know nothing about grinding energy refills then. It's a big change cause you know have to use units to buy refill especially if you playing BG alot.

Polygon · August 2023

This is absolutely awful for the f2p community on so many levels.

What about when the next challenging content with ridiculous nodes like limited hit count in abyss comes where one needs to drop dozens and dozens of revives? Does kabam expect us to whale out and buy revives with units?

What about BGs, are we suppose to drop scarce resources to obtain more marks to increase our score? Some of us were in BGs focused alliances that required us to hit 400k regularly (since alliance content is pretty much dead) . Again, how is f2p remotely suppose to have a chance against whales in this mode?

Kabam’s thought process on this decision is extremely one sided and exhibits tunnel vision. auto fighting facts in earlier acts with 7 stars? Just ban the 7 stars then, don’t completely disbarrage an entire f2p community just because of one potential consequence that NOT TO MENTION, they themselves invoked by having 7 stars release so early and having july 4 change the economy the way it did.

@Kabam Miike @kabam jax

I don’t think Kabam has fully ascertained the gravity of this change. Please urge them to reconsider this decision

Aomine_Daiki10 · August 2023

Why not increase the drop rates of energy refills in higher content there just giving out lame excuses to back up there greedy ass. You people to spend units on every item in the game.

DNA3000 · August 2023

Aomine_Daiki10 said:

DNA3000 said:

Fantomaxop said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Probably not going to trigger as much as it was with the revive nerf, but oh well

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/343216/following-up-changes-to-drop-rates-in-act-5-revamp#latest
And yet another nail in a coffin of FTP. Except this time Kascam doesn't even have guts to release poor farming land like apothecary to compensate for lack of place to farm energy refills.
Also i wonder how this will affect online in bg? I know many people who farmed energy refills in 5.3.6 explicitly to play battlegrounds
Grinding arena milestones and buying refills with the units was faster than farming 5.3.6. An F2P player that needed energy to play Battlegrounds would only profit from farming 5.3.6 after exhausting all of the milestones in the arena every cycle. Very few players put in that sort of time, and were still starving for energy.
You obviously know nothing about grinding energy refills then. It's a big change cause you know have to use units to buy refill especially if you playing BG alot.

I'm pretty sure I know more about it than you do. But I'm willing to be proven wrong. My data for 5.3.6 using the mathematically optimal route execution strategy netted 22.5 energy per run on average. Even at moderate arena milestone grinding speeds you'd have to blitz out 5.3.6 runs in less than five minutes, and that's *before* counting units from battlechip rewards. What does your testing data say?

Fryday · August 2023

So for me it is not about gain extra energy but more like not wasting the energy through out the day.

I post this idea in the other thread regarding Apothecary-like Quest for Energy Refill.

Most of the time through out the day while people are busy working, studying or whatever else, the account is just there with a full 70 energy.

By the time players get the chance to jump on and really play the game for a few hours, you only get about 70 energy or so to do all content (including Story Q, EQ, SQ and Battlegrounds, all of which use the same energy).

An Apothecary-like quest is useful as a form of "save" those energy for when players have the time to play.

For example if there were an Apothecary-like quest for energy it could be like this:-

2 paths - 1 Full Refill for Completion and 1 Fully Refill for Exploration. It can cost 70 (or 60) energy to auto fight per path. Reset each day.

So it mean players not really gain any extra energy, but they get the chance to "recycle" the energy and save for when they have time to play.

Aomine_Daiki10 · August 2023

DNA3000 said:

Aomine_Daiki10 said:

DNA3000 said:

Fantomaxop said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Probably not going to trigger as much as it was with the revive nerf, but oh well

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/343216/following-up-changes-to-drop-rates-in-act-5-revamp#latest
And yet another nail in a coffin of FTP. Except this time Kascam doesn't even have guts to release poor farming land like apothecary to compensate for lack of place to farm energy refills.
Also i wonder how this will affect online in bg? I know many people who farmed energy refills in 5.3.6 explicitly to play battlegrounds
Grinding arena milestones and buying refills with the units was faster than farming 5.3.6. An F2P player that needed energy to play Battlegrounds would only profit from farming 5.3.6 after exhausting all of the milestones in the arena every cycle. Very few players put in that sort of time, and were still starving for energy.
You obviously know nothing about grinding energy refills then. It's a big change cause you know have to use units to buy refill especially if you playing BG alot.
I'm pretty sure I know more about it than you do. But I'm willing to be proven wrong. My data for 5.3.6 using the mathematically optimal route execution strategy netted 22.5 energy per run on average. Even at moderate arena milestone grinding speeds you'd have to blitz out 5.3.6 runs in less than five minutes, and that's *before* counting units from battlechip rewards. What does your testing data say?

Ftp players are saving units for deals that can be beneficial to their account now with the revive nerf they also have to account for revives and for those playing AW competitively changing masteries it's also a core factor if you running suicides. There have been more uses for units now more than ever but still yet the only reasonable place you can get them is arena the most boring game mode in mcoc. Just for the record battlechips doesn't drop units as consistently as your think so your maths is off.

nOux · August 2023

DNA3000 said:

Aomine_Daiki10 said:

DNA3000 said:

Fantomaxop said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Probably not going to trigger as much as it was with the revive nerf, but oh well

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/343216/following-up-changes-to-drop-rates-in-act-5-revamp#latest
And yet another nail in a coffin of FTP. Except this time Kascam doesn't even have guts to release poor farming land like apothecary to compensate for lack of place to farm energy refills.
Also i wonder how this will affect online in bg? I know many people who farmed energy refills in 5.3.6 explicitly to play battlegrounds
Grinding arena milestones and buying refills with the units was faster than farming 5.3.6. An F2P player that needed energy to play Battlegrounds would only profit from farming 5.3.6 after exhausting all of the milestones in the arena every cycle. Very few players put in that sort of time, and were still starving for energy.
You obviously know nothing about grinding energy refills then. It's a big change cause you know have to use units to buy refill especially if you playing BG alot.
I'm pretty sure I know more about it than you do. But I'm willing to be proven wrong. My data for 5.3.6 using the mathematically optimal route execution strategy netted 22.5 energy per run on average. Even at moderate arena milestone grinding speeds you'd have to blitz out 5.3.6 runs in less than five minutes, and that's *before* counting units from battlechip rewards. What does your testing data say?

Like the person said u completely dont know nothing about faming refills. Players don’t grind 24/7 non stop 5.3.6 for ~22 energy gain, when u have 70/70 energy or have expiring full refill u go to 5.3.6 to use up energy and grab full refill so it would go to waste and when u want to play battlegrounds or do EQ, story etc u spend farmed full refills.
This way u can play arena for milestones and when energy fully restores go spend it and grab refill.

People need to stop talking about “grind milestones and buy resources” while arena unit gain is the same for ages and other resources gain is getting eliminated, same time as all unit offers for july 4th, cyberweekend is increasing. Just stop.

startropics · August 2023

DNA3000 said:

Fantomaxop said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Probably not going to trigger as much as it was with the revive nerf, but oh well

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/343216/following-up-changes-to-drop-rates-in-act-5-revamp#latest
And yet another nail in a coffin of FTP. Except this time Kascam doesn't even have guts to release poor farming land like apothecary to compensate for lack of place to farm energy refills.
Also i wonder how this will affect online in bg? I know many people who farmed energy refills in 5.3.6 explicitly to play battlegrounds
Grinding arena milestones and buying refills with the units was faster than farming 5.3.6. An F2P player that needed energy to play Battlegrounds would only profit from farming 5.3.6 after exhausting all of the milestones in the arena every cycle. Very few players put in that sort of time, and were still starving for energy.

i do this. 10k pvps every month, 400k+ in battlegrounds, and 100% every difficulty of EQ. this is very reliant on act 5 farming, which also takes a lot of time. these changes are awful.

laserjohn26 · August 2023

DNA3000 said:

Fantomaxop said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:
Probably not going to trigger as much as it was with the revive nerf, but oh well

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/343216/following-up-changes-to-drop-rates-in-act-5-revamp#latest
And yet another nail in a coffin of FTP. Except this time Kascam doesn't even have guts to release poor farming land like apothecary to compensate for lack of place to farm energy refills.
Also i wonder how this will affect online in bg? I know many people who farmed energy refills in 5.3.6 explicitly to play battlegrounds
Grinding arena milestones and buying refills with the units was faster than farming 5.3.6. An F2P player that needed energy to play Battlegrounds would only profit from farming 5.3.6 after exhausting all of the milestones in the arena every cycle. Very few players put in that sort of time, and were still starving for energy.

I kind of disagree. I would just use all my regularly obtained energy in 5.3.6 the two weeks prior to the new month of content. Thus I was basically "putting it in the bank" to withdraw within two weeks. Now you could very often get 2 energy refills which was overkill. But I would basically explore all eq difficulties in the first 2 weeks, then just run 5.3.6 the rest of the month giving me usually enough energy to complete all difficulties in the eq the following month. It was a nice self sustaining cycle.

They're finally nerfing Energy Refils in act 5

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