I think war compensation should give out war-related rewards. I don't think rankup mats or crystals should have been included, as those were given out in the boosted season 9 BG rewards and communicated in advance.
I think a good compensation would have been loyalty (which we got), war boosts/pots/revives (~10 of each), and ~1 million gold would have been good compensation.
Additionally, the season 10 BG rewards should have been boosted again to match season 9. We still don't have confirmation that the new AW season will start up again on 8/16.
I would be happy with the Loyalty store being updated asap. This way we can use the 300k loyalty to improve our roster. Iif the update is good, summoners will feel better about the 300k loyalty given out.
My main issue is that even with the extended off season which led to the BG season being buffed, we're going to miss essentially another entire war seasons worth of duration with the mess that is this new war system, by time it eventually starts we'd probably have fit an entire season between then and the original start date. So I'm missing Rank up mats/shards more than anything else, loyalty is worthless with how dogwater the loyalty store is for paragon players, unless I plan on saving for an inevitable 7* tin Man.
Hey, I know there are people that are rightfully upset, but I'm going to try and explain the thought process here. You might disagree with it, but this is the situation.
The goal with this Comp was for the Keys to come out much earlier, giving players something to do while AW was down. I'm not sure why it's only going out now, but here we are.
Loyalty was the central part of this compensation, making up for most of a lot of what was lost in the unplanned downtime, not for the entire downtime, since we purposely moved those rewards into BGs and told everybody about it in advance.
I know that when we say "compensation", people set their own standards in their heads, and often look at older compensations that we've done as a benchmark, when every situation needs to be treated differently.
If there is CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on what you think you should have been included, please let us know and we can discuss with the game team about it. No guarantees that anything comes of it, but we'll have those discussions.
If you're not going to be constructive though, we're going to ignore you.
Why not just give everyone the rewards they got last season as compensation? We literally missed a whole season of rewards and including it in bgs does nothing because they’re two different game modes and not all WAR PLAYERS play bgs. Giving us the rewards we got last season would’ve been the smartest thing. A lot better than whatever this “compensation “ is☠️☠️☠️
I'm not sure why you'd expect the same rewards from the season before for not actually having to playI know that not everybody plays BGs, but we were very clear that there was an extended off-season with a way to get the rewards if you want them. That was never part of the plan and I don't see why you thought it would be, or would expect it to be.
“Who said I expected that? It’s Kabam. Lmfao, I don’t expect much from y’all. ☠️☠️☠️☠️ You asked for a suggestion, and I gave you one. I’m not the only one who has suggested it. 🤷🏾♂️ Maybe if you guys had a half-capable game team, or even a few devs who actually played the game, you would understand why players are so upset. 🤣”
I asked for constructive feedback, and you didn't give me that. You came in acting like a jerk, and I am giving you back what you gave me.
You responded to someone who was acting like a jerk. But can you blame people? You guys mess up aw start times and then give us “comp” that doesn’t help us much and gives us things to do and spend resources on. We have a right to be angry and you show your true colors by acting the way you do
You have a right to be upset, for sure! We take constructive feedback seriously, and I've said that much in this very thread, but when you attack my team, you're attacking real people, who also have the right to be upset. Remember that Forum Moderators, Community Managers and more are not Customer Service people (not that you should be yelling at Customer Servicer agents either...), and that we're not just here to take whatever people throw at us.
We're trying to fix this situation, and if somebody is acting in a poor manner, it doesn't make us want to help more. It makes people want to walk away, which they are totally in their right to. Constructive feedback leads to results, non-constructive feedback leads to good feedback being ignored.
We haven’t had a war season in pretty much 2 months and since then July 4 deals and 7* have made AW defense WAY stronger and we’re all way out of practice. we really couldn’t get AW compensation in the form of AW potions and boosts? Instead we get 4 40% revives and 2 gauntlet keys? Bruh.
@Kabam Miike does the Kabam team have any knowledge on general increases to defense rosters in AW quite yet? That’s my biggest concern. It seems like last season in the P2/P3 tiers, there were like 75-80% 6*R4s/7*R1s and like 15 6*R3s. With July 4 deals, I’d guess this is like 50% 6*R5s/7*R2s and 45% 6*R4s/7*R1s. 300k loyalty is going to spent considerably faster—some of these 7* fights during off-season are just rancid to fight now
The goal with this Comp was for the Keys to come out much earlier, giving players something to do while AW was down. I'm not sure why it's only going out now, but here we are.
I feel like you've been saying "I'm not sure why..." quite a lot this past month.
Loyalty was the central part of this compensation, making up for most of a lot of what was lost in the unplanned downtime, not for the entire downtime, since we purposely moved those rewards into BGs and told everybody about it in advance.
If we don't consider the keys as part of the compensation package... Loyalty is effectively the only part of this compensation. It's not central... it's all there is.
I LOVE the keys. Genuinely, thanks. But for most players, going through the gauntlet will cost them more units than any war could have... so it's not really a boon to them. It honestly comes across as a company wondering how they can benefit their bottom line. With all the units that will be spent, I can guarantee that in the end Kabam will benefit from this compensation package far more than the players will.
This is the epitome of what kabam is as a company.
They mess up aw start timesushing it back more than once. This results in promised compensation for the items expiring and extra down time For comp they give us a tiny bit of loyalty and 5 revives. And throw in two keys to add extra work to be done and resources to be spent because that fits the definition of comp to them. Then, when people call them out for it and ask for something better and more applicable they insult us, don’t give us answers and blatantly don’t realize what their offering is not what’s needed.
To be clear I don’t mind getting the gauntlet keys, it’ll give some rewards I need, but as the main part of the compensation it is in horrible taste. It should have been added as an afterthought
Realistic compensation. Take the middle point of the rewards, possibly gold 1 bracket? Then get the season rewards and divide them by 2, then give that to the community. That makes up for the delay and missed rewards. Benefits lower players more than higher players but something better than nothing. Easy and quick to roll out. Preferred option would be linked to the rewards we received in the season before but the complexity of people moving alliances etc. would be too time consuming.
good evening, what the players find ridiculous is quite simply that 95% of the players (maybe less, maybe more but in any case a large majority) will absolutely not be able to use the interesting compensations from you while all the players can participate in wars and have rewards at their level. could say that you gave the rewards in bg … yes for a month of missing war and not for 2 and it took a lot of time and also a lot of resources to reach the 400,000 points needed. much more than the resource time needed for the season of war. I confirm the opinion of many. outdated and disappointing compensation. giving nothing wouldn't have been worse. maybe even less "shocking". Have a good evening.
One time they put all resources in BGs. Grind BGs and get your compensation.on the other side, you got lower rank rewards than usual for the hard work you did. No one said anything at that time. So here we go again. Another "Grind and Get" compensation. And it will go on from now.
Miike, I know you’re just the bridge for the community to the devs/game team, but hopefully you can explain to the game team that adding something into a compensation package that they had “intended” on sending out weeks prior without communicating it is the reason the community is upset about it. Constructive feedback- Comms have got to improve. The way your message reads makes it sound like you were in the dark about this as much as we were. Sounds like someone seriously dropped the ball in getting this communicated. If the devs decide future compensations are warranted, I’d recommend they communicate that to the community in advance. This would save you the hassle of having to put out a gigantic dumpster fire. The loyalty is fine. The revives are fine. Others have suggested giving prior season’s rewards and I agree. Maybe also throw in some AW boosts as well. But comms HAVE to improve.
to be fair miike did say the keys were supposed to be given earlier so technically they aren't apart of the compensation lol. as for the rest of the compo maybe we could get some aw reward related stuff based on either progression level or your war placement and some of the rewards could be shards, crystals, more loyalty etc.
Was that the best Kabam could do for AW compensation? That was just pathetic. All the delays and run around. Just to get a couple revives, some keys and a little bit of loyalty. How cheap can Kabam get
Constructive feedback eh? Ok. Open up the first path in the gauntlet so you can go straight to the rewards and Thanos after completing the first path for like a limited time so you aren't asking us to sink a ton of resources into it. Still have to do some of the content but not the whole gauntlet.
Otherwise these keys will just sit there forever. I'll never use them. I have zero interest in running that whole gauntlet.
Hey, I know there are people that are rightfully upset, but I'm going to try and explain the thought process here. You might disagree with it, but this is the situation.
The goal with this Comp was for the Keys to come out much earlier, giving players something to do while AW was down. I'm not sure why it's only going out now, but here we are.
Loyalty was the central part of this compensation, making up for most of a lot of what was lost in the unplanned downtime, not for the entire downtime, since we purposely moved those rewards into BGs and told everybody about it in advance.
I know that when we say "compensation", people set their own standards in their heads, and often look at older compensations that we've done as a benchmark, when every situation needs to be treated differently.
If there is CONSTRUCTIVE feedback on what you think you should have been included, please let us know and we can discuss with the game team about it. No guarantees that anything comes of it, but we'll have those discussions.
If you're not going to be constructive though, we're going to ignore you.
Why not just give everyone the rewards they got last season as compensation? We literally missed a whole season of rewards and including it in bgs does nothing because they’re two different game modes and not all WAR PLAYERS play bgs. Giving us the rewards we got last season would’ve been the smartest thing. A lot better than whatever this “compensation “ is☠️☠️☠️
I'm not sure why you'd expect the same rewards from the season before for not actually having to playI know that not everybody plays BGs, but we were very clear that there was an extended off-season with a way to get the rewards if you want them. That was never part of the plan and I don't see why you thought it would be, or would expect it to be.
“Who said I expected that? It’s Kabam. Lmfao, I don’t expect much from y’all. ☠️☠️☠️☠️ You asked for a suggestion, and I gave you one. I’m not the only one who has suggested it. 🤷🏾♂️ Maybe if you guys had a half-capable game team, or even a few devs who actually played the game, you would understand why players are so upset. 🤣”
I asked for constructive feedback, and you didn't give me that. You came in acting like a jerk, and I am giving you back what you gave me.
You responded to someone who was acting like a jerk. But can you blame people? You guys mess up aw start times and then give us “comp” that doesn’t help us much and gives us things to do and spend resources on. We have a right to be angry and you show your true colors by acting the way you do
You have a right to be upset, for sure! We take constructive feedback seriously, and I've said that much in this very thread, but when you attack my team, you're attacking real people, who also have the right to be upset. Remember that Forum Moderators, Community Managers and more are not Customer Service people (not that you should be yelling at Customer Servicer agents either...), and that we're not just here to take whatever people throw at us.
We're trying to fix this situation, and if somebody is acting in a poor manner, it doesn't make us want to help more. It makes people want to walk away, which they are totally in their right to. Constructive feedback leads to results, non-constructive feedback leads to good feedback being ignored.
You’re right, and I apologize for coming off as a jerk. However, you need to understand that us players care about the game, and it feels like a slap in the face when you do things like this. For once, can you guys at Kabam actually show that you care for your player base? Please consider some of these suggestions instead of just acting like you care and moving on the next day. We don’t even know if the season will actually start next week. What happens if it doesn’t? That’s the issue. The game is so messed up right now, and this compensation isn’t making anything better.
Who feels like they were slighted from rewards? A few revives, some lame ass keys and loyalty. That’s honestly the best Kabam could come up with?! How pathetic
I would have rather seen additional loyalty or perhaps a decently discounted loyalty store for the next 2 seasons. I get there's some good stuff in the gauntlet. But it wasn't enough to entice me to try it before when it was just content I could do if I wanted to. Now it's where my "compensation" is??? These 2 keys are juat going to sit in my inventory with my other 3. It seems senseless to have a bulk of our AW compensation locked behind a different mode. Comp should have stayed within the mode that was affected.
Forums are more interesting than playing the game right now like how does kabaam manage to always get it wrong really amazes me sometimes. Revives and keys were not suppose to be in AW compensation fine let's delete that then you are remaining with 300k loyalty. Like 300k loyalty that's all you guys have been working on dishing out as compensation.
Where are the war potions and grey boosts lol you know stuff that actually helps in war @Kabam Miike
Compensation is to make up for what you missed out on, and if anything, you'd have spent AW potions and Boosts during that time, not gained more of them
I always go platinum 1/master and while I didn't have to play AW, I feel like maybe it was right that you guys made an objective for Paragorn that gave 25% cc6 selector and some 7 star shards. Like it or not for me as an endgame player, it was the biggest loss. 1000 or 2000 fragments of 7 stars would be enough. The explanation for this is that although we didn't play for the rewards, we count on them every 45 days (15 pre-season days + 30 season days). If we go 30 or 45 days without a season, it will be 60 or 75 days without these rewards. In my opinion, this is where it bleeds for endgame players.
Since the compensation was mostly loyalty...which is the main reason I do war...is it reasonable to get an eta for the expected loyalty store update so we can decide what to do with the loyalty?
I think the compensation is awesome. Gives me a reason to do it again with new champs that weren't released at the time. Plus it's super easy to do itemless. And gives us something to do at the end of the month.
We're going to do a secondary Comp package coming out soon. This will contain:
Alliance War Health Potions, and Alliance War Team Health potions (Level 5! Those are rare), 2x of each of the 3 Main boosts, and 1 of each Greater 6-Hour Boost.
We wanted to get this out as soon as possible, so we had to do something "generic" that couldn't be specific to any Alliance, progression level, etc.
I want to thank everybody that gave us constructive feedback on this topic.
Comp is suppose to be just that comp based on the issue. 2/3rds of this comp has absolutely nothing to do with aw. It’s also not comp if you have to work or do stuff to get it. That’s like a store who says here a 50 dollar refund but to get the 50 dollars you got to spend 100.
We're going to do a secondary Comp package coming out soon. This will contain:
Alliance War Health Potions, and Alliance War Team Health potions (Level 5! Those are rare), 2x of each of the 3 Main boosts, and 1 of each Greater 6-Hour Boost.
We wanted to get this out as soon as possible, so we had to do something "generic" that couldn't be specific to any Alliance, progression level, etc.
I want to thank everybody that gave us constructive feedback on this topic.
Awesome! Well done good sir! Thank you for the prompt fix.
We're going to do a secondary Comp package coming out soon. This will contain:
Alliance War Health Potions, and Alliance War Team Health potions (Level 5! Those are rare), 2x of each of the 3 Main boosts, and 1 of each Greater 6-Hour Boost.
We wanted to get this out as soon as possible, so we had to do something "generic" that couldn't be specific to any Alliance, progression level, etc.
I want to thank everybody that gave us constructive feedback on this topic.
will there be a possibility of other stuff like maybe crystal shards? some of us are maxed out on potions and boosts : /
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I think a good compensation would have been loyalty (which we got), war boosts/pots/revives (~10 of each), and ~1 million gold would have been good compensation.
Additionally, the season 10 BG rewards should have been boosted again to match season 9. We still don't have confirmation that the new AW season will start up again on 8/16.
We're trying to fix this situation, and if somebody is acting in a poor manner, it doesn't make us want to help more. It makes people want to walk away, which they are totally in their right to. Constructive feedback leads to results, non-constructive feedback leads to good feedback being ignored.
I LOVE the keys. Genuinely, thanks.
But for most players, going through the gauntlet will cost them more units than any war could have... so it's not really a boon to them. It honestly comes across as a company wondering how they can benefit their bottom line. With all the units that will be spent, I can guarantee that in the end Kabam will benefit from this compensation package far more than the players will.
They mess up aw start timesushing it back more than once.
This results in promised compensation for the items expiring and extra down time
For comp they give us a tiny bit of loyalty and 5 revives. And throw in two keys to add extra work to be done and resources to be spent because that fits the definition of comp to them.
Then, when people call them out for it and ask for something better and more applicable they insult us, don’t give us answers and blatantly don’t realize what their offering is not what’s needed.
To be clear I don’t mind getting the gauntlet keys, it’ll give some rewards I need, but as the main part of the compensation it is in horrible taste. It should have been added as an afterthought
Constructive feedback- Comms have got to improve. The way your message reads makes it sound like you were in the dark about this as much as we were. Sounds like someone seriously dropped the ball in getting this communicated. If the devs decide future compensations are warranted, I’d recommend they communicate that to the community in advance. This would save you the hassle of having to put out a gigantic dumpster fire.
The loyalty is fine. The revives are fine. Others have suggested giving prior season’s rewards and I agree. Maybe also throw in some AW boosts as well. But comms HAVE to improve.
Otherwise these keys will just sit there forever. I'll never use them. I have zero interest in running that whole gauntlet.
You’re right, and I apologize for coming off as a jerk. However, you need to understand that us players care about the game, and it feels like a slap in the face when you do things like this. For once, can you guys at Kabam actually show that you care for your player base? Please consider some of these suggestions instead of just acting like you care and moving on the next day. We don’t even know if the season will actually start next week. What happens if it doesn’t? That’s the issue. The game is so messed up right now, and this compensation isn’t making anything better.
I get there's some good stuff in the gauntlet. But it wasn't enough to entice me to try it before when it was just content I could do if I wanted to. Now it's where my "compensation" is??? These 2 keys are juat going to sit in my inventory with my other 3.
It seems senseless to have a bulk of our AW compensation locked behind a different mode. Comp should have stayed within the mode that was affected.
Like it or not for me as an endgame player, it was the biggest loss. 1000 or 2000 fragments of 7 stars would be enough.
The explanation for this is that although we didn't play for the rewards, we count on them every 45 days (15 pre-season days + 30 season days). If we go 30 or 45 days without a season, it will be 60 or 75 days without these rewards. In my opinion, this is where it bleeds for endgame players.
God damn it
We're going to do a secondary Comp package coming out soon. This will contain:
Alliance War Health Potions, and Alliance War Team Health potions (Level 5! Those are rare), 2x of each of the 3 Main boosts, and 1 of each Greater 6-Hour Boost.
We wanted to get this out as soon as possible, so we had to do something "generic" that couldn't be specific to any Alliance, progression level, etc.
I want to thank everybody that gave us constructive feedback on this topic.