Degen Counters

FlippFlipp Member Posts: 53 ★
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Any natural degen counters I’m not thinking of? I know spidey ham with his nonsense and hulk based on missing health, I sort of consider those less than ideal. But maybe that’s just how it is. I’m thinking void counters in particular. But any general degen counter advice I’d appreciate it. I usually just power through and if it is needed I’d revive. I’d rather not do that haha. Thanks y’all

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  • Dtl7714Dtl7714 Member Posts: 477 ★★★
    High sig Namor
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,983 Guardian
    edited August 2023
    Does void deal degen damage? I thought his damage was different from degen. Either way, for void you're better off using someone who shrugs debuffs (not kingpin), someone with longer combos (like quicksilver), Valerie can manipulate her combo to easily hit a 10 generally, or just change your playstyle such as sitting at 9 combo until the debuff appears.

    The only other champion I can think off the top of my head with degen resistance is Mr negative and his debuffs
  • FlippFlipp Member Posts: 53 ★
    Yea I guess I didn’t think about if void is Degen.

    Maybe I should rephrase the question - best advice for void haha. Sometimes I’m not very smart, what can I say.

    Why is kingpin not ideal?
  • OurobørosOurobøros Member Posts: 1,800 ★★★★★
    For Void, Black Cat, Jabari and Mole Man are good, for the purify abilities. Spider Ham is always my go to champ when I have to face degen, works everytime and perfectly
  • FlippFlipp Member Posts: 53 ★
    I’ve played this game since the beginning. But never made a habit of learning too much, I just wing it mostly, as is obvious haha. I have a bad habit of going into fights blind too. I thought my controls were going haywire yesterday (which would not have been a surprise) turned it was a node with reverse controls on defenders special haha
  • ILLUSION8ILLUSION8 Member Posts: 244 ★
    Flipp said:

    Yea I guess I didn’t think about if void is Degen.

    Maybe I should rephrase the question - best advice for void haha. Sometimes I’m not very smart, what can I say.

    Why is kingpin not ideal?

    kingpin has his own personal debuffs and void does "direct damage" not degen for each unique debuff on the opponent, so kingpin will just take a tonne of damage. best counters are shrug champs like Moleman, zemo, elsa, BP OG awakened etc
  • FlippFlipp Member Posts: 53 ★
    See this is why I should ask these things, I just feel stupid asking these things haha
  • World EaterWorld Eater Member Posts: 3,771 ★★★★★
    Awakened Mr Negative heals when he’s got a degen on him.

    You can also try using regen champs and heal back whatever health gets lost from degen.


  • MaxtheSilentMaxtheSilent Member Posts: 835 ★★★★
    Knull has 40% reduction and Mr Negative heals as mentioned. Photon looks like she has some resistance to degen with ramp. iHulk gains more gamma so you heal it eventually. Personally I’d say Mr. Negative is the best but Knull is great because there is no ramp necessary just 40% out of the box
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Flipp said:

    Yea I guess I didn’t think about if void is Degen.

    Maybe I should rephrase the question - best advice for void haha. Sometimes I’m not very smart, what can I say.

    Why is kingpin not ideal?

    Zemo, Nick and Mantis are usually my go-to for Void depending on the nodes. Crossbones (max sig), Shang, Cap IW (max sig with a skill champ on your team), Jabari Panther, Mole-Man, Agent Venom should work too though. I'm sure there's more but I haven't memorized what every single champ in the game does lol.
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    King Groot is actually a good Void Counter in most cases. Shrugs Debuffs and heals back the other damage.

    not sure I would want to use him in very long fights. because eventually things will line up to give you the debuff during regen and you won't shrug it, that happens enough and you could have some problems. Depending on the power disparity of the fight. But Generally King handles my Voids.

    Namor would be my next choice. why prevent the damage when you could just send it back to him. Hes my FAVORITE power sting counter cuz he also sends that back. Just incredible.
  • NastyPhishNastyPhish Member Posts: 583 ★★★
    edited August 2023
    World Eater said:

    Awakened Mr Negative heals when he’s got a degen on him.

    You can also try using regen champs and heal back whatever health gets lost from degen.


    This is what I DONT like about Mr. Negatives way of dealing with the regen. This only works as long as the degen doesn't go higher than the amount of the heal. In BIG fights that go above that amount, this only really counts as some "resistance". And that all depends on the damage being done.

    its sorta like Elsa Evade counter. It technically is an evade counter. and works is lots of matchups when you can safely trigger the evade THEN apply the cold snap. but in a fight where its imperative you PREVENT the evade. Not even bringing her.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 7,983 Guardian
    NastyPhish said:

    World Eater said:

    Awakened Mr Negative heals when he’s got a degen on him.

    You can also try using regen champs and heal back whatever health gets lost from degen.


    This is what I DONT like about Mr. Negatives way of dealing with the regen. This only works as long as the degen doesn't go higher than the amount of the heal. In BIG fights that go above that amount, this only really counts as some "resistance". And that all depends on the damage being done.

    its sorta like Elsa Evade counter. It technically is an evade counter. and works is lots of matchups when you can safely trigger the evade THEN apply the cold snap. but in a fight where its imperative you PREVENT the evade. Not even bringing her.
    Mr negative also gets 40% resistance to degen per unique debuff on the enemy, is really good in things like AW where you can take a mojo with Mr fantastic prefights on for free healing.
  • FlippFlipp Member Posts: 53 ★
    Thanks for the lessons guys. I should just put on my big boy pants and ask questions more often.

    Just so happens I have a dupped 7 star Elsa and r3 black cat and panther I ranked since she is fun and panther for herc.
  • Graves_3Graves_3 Member Posts: 1,559 ★★★★★
    Duped she hulk can also shrug voids debuffs. She is one of my favorite void counters as well.
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