Who will benefit from BG s12’s attacker buff?

Ericson23

Who will benefit from BG s12’s attacker buff?
All champs or just [AW: Decay] ones?
who can explain.

Comments

Ericson23

Pikolu

Just the #decay champions. If everyone benefitted from it, why even have the defender node there?

Ortoun

To me that just reads as the name of the ability, but you could be on to something

Ericson23

Just the #decay champions. If everyone benefitted from it, why even have the defender node there?

But he didn't clearly mark it, so i'm confused

simolaz

In fact, according to what’s written in the forum discussion, all champs will benefit.
A clarification would be nice in order to know who to rank up.

Red_Lightning02

Do these feed mystic dispersion?

SirGamesBond

Same goes for sugar pill on defenders.

If every defender will have sugar pill then why should I upgrade the tagged one specefically.

Unless there's an official response, Im not trusting this word of mouth.

Holding all BG rankups till the meta hits and see whats what.

Yodabolt21

My logic is that Decay and Sugar Pill are AW#.... these are not noted as such, so ALL champs must benefit. If they are the tagged champs, then is just another massive fail from Kabam.

Pikolu

Same goes for sugar pill on defenders.

If every defender will have sugar pill then why should I upgrade the tagged one specefically.

Unless there's an official response, Im not trusting this word of mouth.

Holding all BG rankups till the meta hits and see whats what.

You can take what I say with a grain of salt, but I did ask and it was answered the sugarpill and decay buffs only work with those who have those tags.

I know it doesn't explicitly say that, but I did ask weeks ago for a forum post to be made clarifying it. You can choose to ignore me if you like, but I'm the best response you're going to get for awhile.

Graves_3

Same goes for sugar pill on defenders.

If every defender will have sugar pill then why should I upgrade the tagged one specefically.

Unless there's an official response, Im not trusting this word of mouth.

Holding all BG rankups till the meta hits and see whats what.
You can take what I say with a grain of salt, but I did ask and it was answered the sugarpill and decay buffs only work with those who have those tags.

I know it doesn't explicitly say that, but I did ask weeks ago for a forum post to be made clarifying it. You can choose to ignore me if you like, but I'm the best response you're going to get for awhile.

The victory track node is actually called stevia pill. There is no such tag in the game as far as I know. So how can stevia pill be applied to sugar pill defenders?

Graves_3

My logic is that Decay and Sugar Pill are AW#.... these are not noted as such, so ALL champs must benefit. If they are the tagged champs, then is just another massive fail from Kabam.

If only tagged attackers and defenders benefit from node, it may turn out to be just a nuke fest since attack tactic is useless against normal defender.

SirGamesBond

Same goes for sugar pill on defenders.

If every defender will have sugar pill then why should I upgrade the tagged one specefically.

Unless there's an official response, Im not trusting this word of mouth.

Holding all BG rankups till the meta hits and see whats what.
You can take what I say with a grain of salt, but I did ask and it was answered the sugarpill and decay buffs only work with those who have those tags.

I know it doesn't explicitly say that, but I did ask weeks ago for a forum post to be made clarifying it. You can choose to ignore me if you like, but I'm the best response you're going to get for awhile.

I'm not ignoring you, I'm ignoring every comment which is not in orange colours.
You can say "I told you so".

Rankups are based on knowledge, I don't like that we have to guess things and see them not work.

Putting war nodes which uses tagged champions in BG without clarifications is not what the community needed.
Somebody please go ask DLL in his live stream so we can move forward.

simolaz

My logic is that Decay and Sugar Pill are AW#.... these are not noted as such, so ALL champs must benefit. If they are the tagged champs, then is just another massive fail from Kabam.

Yours is not logic, it is based on statements.

In AW tactic there is a writing that states that champs with a specific tag benefit from a specific node. It is stated.

About BGs there are no statements. There are simply nodes with a name and a description, tags are not mentioned anywhere.

In previous season it was stated in the node description that only Tech champs took benefit from atk node, while in S12 we actually do not have such specification. At least not now.

Pikolu

Same goes for sugar pill on defenders.

If every defender will have sugar pill then why should I upgrade the tagged one specefically.

Unless there's an official response, Im not trusting this word of mouth.

Holding all BG rankups till the meta hits and see whats what.
You can take what I say with a grain of salt, but I did ask and it was answered the sugarpill and decay buffs only work with those who have those tags.

I know it doesn't explicitly say that, but I did ask weeks ago for a forum post to be made clarifying it. You can choose to ignore me if you like, but I'm the best response you're going to get for awhile.
The victory track node is actually called stevia pill. There is no such tag in the game as far as I know. So how can stevia pill be applied to sugar pill defenders?

Stevia pill is just a dumbed down version of sugar pill, it should use the same defender tags.

Graves_3

Same goes for sugar pill on defenders.

If every defender will have sugar pill then why should I upgrade the tagged one specefically.

Unless there's an official response, Im not trusting this word of mouth.

Holding all BG rankups till the meta hits and see whats what.
You can take what I say with a grain of salt, but I did ask and it was answered the sugarpill and decay buffs only work with those who have those tags.

I know it doesn't explicitly say that, but I did ask weeks ago for a forum post to be made clarifying it. You can choose to ignore me if you like, but I'm the best response you're going to get for awhile.
The victory track node is actually called stevia pill. There is no such tag in the game as far as I know. So how can stevia pill be applied to sugar pill defenders?
Stevia pill is just a dumbed down version of sugar pill, it should use the same defender tags.

Not disagreeing with you but kabam should have specified either way about this rather than to have left this to our own imagination. But miscommunication has been very common in the recent past that it’s kind of expected now.

evilKINGwilson

When does Season 12 begin? I cannot find the announcement

SkyLord7000

Neutralize champs are going to be hell

simolaz

When does Season 12 begin? I cannot find the announcement

Next wednesday

Avnish

These buff is applied on all attacker and defender. No metter they are decay tagged or not. Mystic dispersion will not work as expected because as written in attecker buff while hitting you place wither debuff even on block. So power gain will not work...

But I can tell the most deadly defender for this meta who BERON ZEMO. He will end the attecker just getting hit by a combo with 5 massive fury after root...he will be the most banned defender in this meta.

Killmonger will also be a good defender...

As a attacker Spidey 2099 would be great. Just start hitting into block defender will be melted down

Those attacker would be great who has the benefit when they trigger the the immunity like BWCV, Hulkling etc.

But in GC try to ignore the buff champion as attecker. For defender debuff purify champion would be good.

phillgreen

Based on not doing AW at all, I have no idea whats going on.

Avnish

Neutralize champs are going to be hell

Why? Nutrilize champion will work as they do.. because attacker will be immune to plecebo buff. It is clearly written.

laserjohn26

These buff is applied on all attacker and defender. No metter they are decay tagged or not. Mystic dispersion will not work as expected because as written in attecker buff while hitting you place wither debuff even on block. So power gain will not work...

But I can tell the most deadly defender for this meta who BERON ZEMO. He will end the attecker just getting hit by a combo with 5 massive fury after root...he will be the most banned defender in this meta.

Killmonger will also be a good defender...

As a attacker Spidey 2099 would be great. Just start hitting into block defender will be melted down

Those attacker would be great who has the benefit when they trigger the the immunity like BWCV, Hulkling etc.

But in GC try to ignore the buff champion as attecker. For defender debuff purify champion would be good.

You do realize that would mean this is nothing more than a nuke meta. But a nuke meta on steroids. Attackers will take no damage from suicides including recoil, and damage over time including things you don't realize are dot effects like mysterios damage reflection. Not only does the attack tactic help atteckers the defense tactic hurts defenders. If you take more than 20 seconds to kill a defender you will have no chance of ever winning.

Avnish

These buff is applied on all attacker and defender. No metter they are decay tagged or not. Mystic dispersion will not work as expected because as written in attecker buff while hitting you place wither debuff even on block. So power gain will not work...

But I can tell the most deadly defender for this meta who BERON ZEMO. He will end the attecker just getting hit by a combo with 5 massive fury after root...he will be the most banned defender in this meta.

Killmonger will also be a good defender...

As a attacker Spidey 2099 would be great. Just start hitting into block defender will be melted down

Those attacker would be great who has the benefit when they trigger the the immunity like BWCV, Hulkling etc.

But in GC try to ignore the buff champion as attecker. For defender debuff purify champion would be good.
You do realize that would mean this is nothing more than a nuke meta. But a nuke meta on steroids. Attackers will take no damage from suicides including recoil, and damage over time including things you don't realize are dot effects like mysterios damage reflection. Not only does the attack tactic help atteckers the defense tactic hurts defenders. If you take more than 20 seconds to kill a defender you will have no chance of ever winning.

Yes this meta would be a nuke meta. But if anyone use suicide then their defender would so week and can be killed quickly if anyone has 3/3 despair. I am not sure using suicide would be good or bad.

Milan1405

Would be nice to get some clarification on this @kabam

Chaostice

@Kabam Jax Could you please explain how the tactics works in BG? Would only the tagged champions benefit from the defender node? I'd be deeply grateful if you can confirm it.

Disthene_T

It seems in poor spirit to use AW tactic tags when these tags are only used by players in tier 5 and up. That's only 5% of players (maybe a bit more since some bounce in and out of Challenger tier. Regardless, it would be really confusing to the more than 90% of players who don't play high level wars.

I read the description of the nodes and didn't even know they were from AW. Would love to know before season starts.

Ericson23

@Kabam Miike
This has obviously become a hot topic. Can you explain it?

Avnish

Guys this is not related to AW tactics. These just are nodes for attacker and defender. I know the name "decay" and "suger pill" created the confusion. But there is no need tagged champion. All defender and attacker will get those buff which is written in the description.

Pikolu

Guys this is not related to AW tactics. These just are nodes for attacker and defender. I know the name "decay" and "suger pill" created the confusion. But there is no need tagged champion. All defender and attacker will get those buff which is written in the description.

If that is true, do explain why the sugar-pill node is there in the first place? If all champions have the Decay attacker node, then they are immune to placebo buffs and the entire sugar-pill node is rendered useless.

Garlo

Guys this is not related to AW tactics. These just are nodes for attacker and defender. I know the name "decay" and "suger pill" created the confusion. But there is no need tagged champion. All defender and attacker will get those buff which is written in the description.

I think the same for defense tactic, but not for attack tactic. If all champs activate the attack tactic, that will basically completely nullify the stevia pill defense tactic.

@Kabam Miike could you provide some clarification?