Start order in BG

AvengerDaanAvengerDaan Member Posts: 53 ★
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Does anyone know how the start order in BG is determined? I have had to go first in almost 40(!) Straight matchups. Puts me at a big disadvantage. And seems somehow very weird, would expect it to be determined randomly, but then this would be statistically i possible i think
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  • Greed_ExodusGreed_Exodus Member Posts: 426 ★★★
    Same here, had to place D first in the last round for like 30 straight matches, games just a pile of who knows why this or that works that way
  • HuskerCoolHuskerCool Member Posts: 290 ★★★
    I’ve had to pick first every match this season… probably around 30:or so.
  • SummonerNRSummonerNR Member, Guardian Posts: 13,211 Guardian
    At this point, with all the “I always have to pick first” posts, I’d venture to suggest that maybe Kabam *DID* make a change, following what was suggested by many, but that how it was implemented (partially) leads to confusion, etc.

    Common Suggestion over the past several months…
    Have BOTH players do their picks AT THE SAME TIME.

    Potential partial implementation (maybe it was done as below ?)…
    Maybe Kabam *did* make it so both players are picking at the same time.
    But how they maybe did it results in both players THINKING they are picking first, when really both picks are being done at same time.
    Then, after your pick (you thinking you are picking 1st), then the game shows you the other player (appearing to be picking 2nd) but in reality it is just SHOWING you the course of what the other player HAD ALREADY PICKED at the same time you were.
    The back-n-forth is just VISUAL, but in reality both players are picking at the same time.
    ??????

    Are there still people who actually are picking 2nd ?? Or is everyone picking 1st ??
  • AvengerDaanAvengerDaan Member Posts: 53 ★
    Yeah and besides that, picks in the first, second or third round are definitely not being done simultaneously
  • AvengerDaanAvengerDaan Member Posts: 53 ★
    I send a ticket in to kabam and the service is just laughable and abominable! They say things like thanks for reaching out, please let us know if we can assist you in any way, and then we are not able to do anything at the time. So basically they tell you to shove it. @Kabam Miike this is now way to treat a paying customer. Your support department says the order is generated randomly, but won’t go into details in fear of “exploitation”. Well I have started every single match this season, over 60+ now. They chances of that happening with a random 50/50 decider are in the trillions. Do the math yourself. There is no way I and many others, cause i’ve seen a lot more posts like this since i looked into it the past 2 days, are that unlucky. You either don’t care to fix it, or you are too incompetent to fix it and not willing to admit either. Really disappointing service.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,785 ★★★★★
    SummonerNR said:

    At this point, with all the “I always have to pick first” posts, I’d venture to suggest that maybe Kabam *DID* make a change, following what was suggested by many, but that how it was implemented (partially) leads to confusion, etc.

    Common Suggestion over the past several months…
    Have BOTH players do their picks AT THE SAME TIME.

    Potential partial implementation (maybe it was done as below ?)…
    Maybe Kabam *did* make it so both players are picking at the same time.
    But how they maybe did it results in both players THINKING they are picking first, when really both picks are being done at same time.
    Then, after your pick (you thinking you are picking 1st), then the game shows you the other player (appearing to be picking 2nd) but in reality it is just SHOWING you the course of what the other player HAD ALREADY PICKED at the same time you were.
    The back-n-forth is just VISUAL, but in reality both players are picking at the same time.
    ??????

    Are there still people who actually are picking 2nd ?? Or is everyone picking 1st ??

    I've picked second a bunch of times today
  • AvengerDaanAvengerDaan Member Posts: 53 ★
    Well i am a customers and they say contact us if you need help etc.. Their explanation was it’s random. 70 straight starts has nothing to do with random. Just say “ we can’t tell you have we do it” instead of **** that it’s random because it cannot be
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,016 Guardian
    AvengerDaan said:

    I send a ticket in to kabam and the service is just laughable and abominable! They say things like thanks for reaching out, please let us know if we can assist you in any way, and then we are not able to do anything at the time. So basically they tell you to shove it. "Kabam Miike" this is now way to treat a paying customer. Your support department says the order is generated randomly, but won’t go into details in fear of “exploitation”. Well I have started every single match this season, over 60+ now. They chances of that happening with a random 50/50 decider are in the trillions. Do the math yourself. There is no way I and many others, cause i’ve seen a lot more posts like this since i looked into it the past 2 days, are that unlucky. You either don’t care to fix it, or you are too incompetent to fix it and not willing to admit either. Really disappointing service.

    I'm pretty sure support is a completely different department than what Miike runs. Either way, support doesn't have the answer to every question, so you should be grateful they're telling you they don't have an answer rather than lying to you and giving you a fake answer.
  • AvengerDaanAvengerDaan Member Posts: 53 ★
    Well pikolu, that is actually what they did, giving a fake answer
  • Peter_Kristiansen14Peter_Kristiansen14 Member Posts: 23 ★
    yeah same **** happens for me, i've played over 100 matches 95% of them i was the one picking first
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,785 ★★★★★
    AvengerDaan said:

    Well i am a customers and they say contact us if you need help etc.. Their explanation was it’s random. 70 straight starts has nothing to do with random. Just say “ we can’t tell you have we do it” instead of **** that it’s random because it cannot be

    Who cares if you're a customer. I've not seen one company that genuinely gives a **** when a customer says "I am a paying customer and I'm entitled to ( )" if they don't want to give you an explanation they don't have to and it's likely support doesn't even know. Only the designers would know. It is likely some form of random based on time queued. Live with it. You're not the only person it happens to and you are entitled to nothing
  • StatureStature Member Posts: 474 ★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    SummonerNR said:

    At this point, with all the “I always have to pick first” posts, I’d venture to suggest that maybe Kabam *DID* make a change, following what was suggested by many, but that how it was implemented (partially) leads to confusion, etc.

    Common Suggestion over the past several months…
    Have BOTH players do their picks AT THE SAME TIME.

    Potential partial implementation (maybe it was done as below ?)…
    Maybe Kabam *did* make it so both players are picking at the same time.
    But how they maybe did it results in both players THINKING they are picking first, when really both picks are being done at same time.
    Then, after your pick (you thinking you are picking 1st), then the game shows you the other player (appearing to be picking 2nd) but in reality it is just SHOWING you the course of what the other player HAD ALREADY PICKED at the same time you were.
    The back-n-forth is just VISUAL, but in reality both players are picking at the same time.
    ??????

    Are there still people who actually are picking 2nd ?? Or is everyone picking 1st ??

    I've picked second a bunch of times today
    Lucky you. You must have run in to me.

    Almost halfway through the season and I've picked second once. In almost 60 games. I've tried pikolu's suggestion of canceling unless I get a match in 1-2 seconds, no luck. I've tried using energy and elder marks, in sequences. I've tried forfeiting matches. I'm just locked in to picking first.

    I can not imagine this is intentional, there is nothing to gain from handicapping a random set of players. The team could at least make an announcement on why this is happening.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,785 ★★★★★
    Stature said:

    ahmynuts said:

    SummonerNR said:

    At this point, with all the “I always have to pick first” posts, I’d venture to suggest that maybe Kabam *DID* make a change, following what was suggested by many, but that how it was implemented (partially) leads to confusion, etc.

    Common Suggestion over the past several months…
    Have BOTH players do their picks AT THE SAME TIME.

    Potential partial implementation (maybe it was done as below ?)…
    Maybe Kabam *did* make it so both players are picking at the same time.
    But how they maybe did it results in both players THINKING they are picking first, when really both picks are being done at same time.
    Then, after your pick (you thinking you are picking 1st), then the game shows you the other player (appearing to be picking 2nd) but in reality it is just SHOWING you the course of what the other player HAD ALREADY PICKED at the same time you were.
    The back-n-forth is just VISUAL, but in reality both players are picking at the same time.
    ??????

    Are there still people who actually are picking 2nd ?? Or is everyone picking 1st ??

    I've picked second a bunch of times today
    Lucky you. You must have run in to me.

    Almost halfway through the season and I've picked second once. In almost 60 games. I've tried pikolu's suggestion of canceling unless I get a match in 1-2 seconds, no luck. I've tried using energy and elder marks, in sequences. I've tried forfeiting matches. I'm just locked in to picking first.

    I can not imagine this is intentional, there is nothing to gain from handicapping a random set of players. The team could at least make an announcement on why this is happening.
    I usually get a string of picking first then a string of picking second. I genuinely think it has something to do with queue time
  • zuffyzuffy Member Posts: 2,256 ★★★★★
    I have 3 accounts.

    The 4.8m seem to pick second 75% of the time.

    The 3m and 1m accounts, I think it’s about 50/50 split. I have never encounter a long streak where I would pick first.
  • PikoluPikolu Member, Guardian Posts: 8,016 Guardian
    Stature said:

    ahmynuts said:

    SummonerNR said:

    At this point, with all the “I always have to pick first” posts, I’d venture to suggest that maybe Kabam *DID* make a change, following what was suggested by many, but that how it was implemented (partially) leads to confusion, etc.

    Common Suggestion over the past several months…
    Have BOTH players do their picks AT THE SAME TIME.

    Potential partial implementation (maybe it was done as below ?)…
    Maybe Kabam *did* make it so both players are picking at the same time.
    But how they maybe did it results in both players THINKING they are picking first, when really both picks are being done at same time.
    Then, after your pick (you thinking you are picking 1st), then the game shows you the other player (appearing to be picking 2nd) but in reality it is just SHOWING you the course of what the other player HAD ALREADY PICKED at the same time you were.
    The back-n-forth is just VISUAL, but in reality both players are picking at the same time.
    ??????

    Are there still people who actually are picking 2nd ?? Or is everyone picking 1st ??

    I've picked second a bunch of times today
    Lucky you. You must have run in to me.

    Almost halfway through the season and I've picked second once. In almost 60 games. I've tried pikolu's suggestion of canceling unless I get a match in 1-2 seconds, no luck. I've tried using energy and elder marks, in sequences. I've tried forfeiting matches. I'm just locked in to picking first.

    I can not imagine this is intentional, there is nothing to gain from handicapping a random set of players. The team could at least make an announcement on why this is happening.
    I wonder if deck strength or roster size (top 30 champion strength) is determining who goes first. Could be a factor to consider when seeing who places first or not.
  • AvengerDaanAvengerDaan Member Posts: 53 ★
    Ahmynuts, if that’s the way you want to run your business go ahead. I do it differently. I don’t feel I’m entitled to anything in particular, but i do think think you should treat customers and players with respect. I don’t see that from Kabam and i voice that opinion. Whatever they decide to do with it (including ignoring it) is up to them. I know I’m not the only person it’s happened to that is actually why i raise the issue. It isn’t fair to those who experience it in my opinion and if nobody says anything it sure as hell isn’t getting fixed.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 7,785 ★★★★★
    AvengerDaan said:

    Ahmynuts, if that’s the way you want to run your business go ahead. I do it differently. I don’t feel I’m entitled to anything in particular, but i do think think you should treat customers and players with respect. I don’t see that from Kabam and i voice that opinion. Whatever they decide to do with it (including ignoring it) is up to them. I know I’m not the only person it’s happened to that is actually why i raise the issue. It isn’t fair to those who experience it in my opinion and if nobody says anything it sure as hell isn’t getting fixed.

    How are you gonna act entitled and then claim you arent entitled lol.

    This switch up needs to be studied by scientists around the world
  • StatureStature Member Posts: 474 ★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Stature said:

    ahmynuts said:

    SummonerNR said:

    At this point, with all the “I always have to pick first” posts, I’d venture to suggest that maybe Kabam *DID* make a change, following what was suggested by many, but that how it was implemented (partially) leads to confusion, etc.

    Common Suggestion over the past several months…
    Have BOTH players do their picks AT THE SAME TIME.

    Potential partial implementation (maybe it was done as below ?)…
    Maybe Kabam *did* make it so both players are picking at the same time.
    But how they maybe did it results in both players THINKING they are picking first, when really both picks are being done at same time.
    Then, after your pick (you thinking you are picking 1st), then the game shows you the other player (appearing to be picking 2nd) but in reality it is just SHOWING you the course of what the other player HAD ALREADY PICKED at the same time you were.
    The back-n-forth is just VISUAL, but in reality both players are picking at the same time.
    ??????

    Are there still people who actually are picking 2nd ?? Or is everyone picking 1st ??

    I've picked second a bunch of times today
    Lucky you. You must have run in to me.

    Almost halfway through the season and I've picked second once. In almost 60 games. I've tried pikolu's suggestion of canceling unless I get a match in 1-2 seconds, no luck. I've tried using energy and elder marks, in sequences. I've tried forfeiting matches. I'm just locked in to picking first.

    I can not imagine this is intentional, there is nothing to gain from handicapping a random set of players. The team could at least make an announcement on why this is happening.
    I usually get a string of picking first then a string of picking second. I genuinely think it has something to do with queue time
    Whatever it is, the team should at least make an announcement on this. There are paying customers in the game, if some players have to play with a hidden penalty (even if it is unintentional and even if the handicap is minor), at the minimum they have a right to know.
  • StatureStature Member Posts: 474 ★★★
    Pikolu said:

    Stature said:

    ahmynuts said:

    SummonerNR said:

    At this point, with all the “I always have to pick first” posts, I’d venture to suggest that maybe Kabam *DID* make a change, following what was suggested by many, but that how it was implemented (partially) leads to confusion, etc.

    Common Suggestion over the past several months…
    Have BOTH players do their picks AT THE SAME TIME.

    Potential partial implementation (maybe it was done as below ?)…
    Maybe Kabam *did* make it so both players are picking at the same time.
    But how they maybe did it results in both players THINKING they are picking first, when really both picks are being done at same time.
    Then, after your pick (you thinking you are picking 1st), then the game shows you the other player (appearing to be picking 2nd) but in reality it is just SHOWING you the course of what the other player HAD ALREADY PICKED at the same time you were.
    The back-n-forth is just VISUAL, but in reality both players are picking at the same time.
    ??????

    Are there still people who actually are picking 2nd ?? Or is everyone picking 1st ??

    I've picked second a bunch of times today
    Lucky you. You must have run in to me.

    Almost halfway through the season and I've picked second once. In almost 60 games. I've tried pikolu's suggestion of canceling unless I get a match in 1-2 seconds, no luck. I've tried using energy and elder marks, in sequences. I've tried forfeiting matches. I'm just locked in to picking first.

    I can not imagine this is intentional, there is nothing to gain from handicapping a random set of players. The team could at least make an announcement on why this is happening.
    I wonder if deck strength or roster size (top 30 champion strength) is determining who goes first. Could be a factor to consider when seeing who places first or not.
    There is a simple solution, team makes an announcement that either the ordering system is bugged or that there is nothing to see here other than some players being extremely unlucky.

    This has been going one for a few days now. One forum post is not too much to ask, especially for a mode which gets so much attention and likely is a key revenue generator.
  • zuffyzuffy Member Posts: 2,256 ★★★★★
    I don’t believe it’s roster strength. I have seen matchup with smaller accounts and I pick first.
  • Crys23Crys23 Member Posts: 845 ★★★★
    I prefer picking first on many occasions, so I can dictate matchups.
    There have been instances when I get to 3rd round and I place 2nd and wanted to place first, just to force the matchups I want.
    There have also been instances where I would've 90% sure lost the 3rd round if I didn't place 2nd.

    Imo, the strength of your draft relative to your opponent is what decides the result more often than placement order.
  • TheDarkestknightTheDarkestknight Member Posts: 33 ★
    AvengerDaan said:

    Does anyone know how the start order in BG is determined? I have had to go first in almost 40(!) Straight matchups. Puts me at a big disadvantage. And seems somehow very weird, would expect it to be determined randomly, but then this would be statistically i possible i think

    I've been playing for 3 hours and I have picked 1st every damn match. Every time I sit and play it is the same over and over.
  • StatureStature Member Posts: 474 ★★★
    TheDarkestknight said:

    AvengerDaan said:

    Does anyone know how the start order in BG is determined? I have had to go first in almost 40(!) Straight matchups. Puts me at a big disadvantage. And seems somehow very weird, would expect it to be determined randomly, but then this would be statistically i possible i think

    I've been playing for 3 hours and I have picked 1st every damn match. Every time I sit and play it is the same over and over.
    You and many others. We don't know why, but this has been happening through this season.
  • LordSmasherLordSmasher Member Posts: 1,604 ★★★★★
    I too have picked first everytime in the last 20+ matches, which includes placing my defence first.
    In that time I've gone from Diamond 3 to Vibramium 3.

    I've fought a varierty of summoners both high and lower than me.

    I don't believe this is random. There is some factor affecting the order that I'm unware of.
    * My win/loss ratio is around 70%
    * I've always used Elder Marks this season
    * I press that Accept match button with my left index finger
  • Chuck_FinleyChuck_Finley Member Posts: 1,344 ★★★★★
    Count me among the “always pick first” crowd.

    This isn’t random. Go take a coin and flip it 50 times. Tell me how many times you get heads all 50 times.

    I just want to know what the determining factors are, because it sure isn’t RNG.
  • o_oo_o Member Posts: 835 ★★★★
    I’m still keeping track and I’ve now picked first in 63 of my last 66 matches, dating back to last season
  • Go_ToGo_To Member Posts: 317 ★★★
    This season I’ve played 50 matches. 45 of them I’ve placed first. That’s insanely high compared to normal seasons and what “should” be possible with the normal 50/50 rng. Something is up @Kabam Miike whats going on here?
  • Go_ToGo_To Member Posts: 317 ★★★
    Go_To said:

    This season I’ve played 50 matches. 45 of them I’ve placed first. That’s insanely high compared to normal seasons and what “should” be possible with the normal 50/50 rng. Something is up @Kabam Miike whats going on here?


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