It's that time of year - Banquet and Accolade Events are here!

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  • AleorAleor Member Posts: 3,097 ★★★★★
    Iirc, a month or two ago they've said that eq bosses extra run doesn't really affect your progression and is negligible, didn't they? And now they have an event with rewards worse then that run would've give and can't understand why people are not happy? LoL. I'm myself quite a chill player, who's in aw gold 3 alliance, don't really care to do bgs for daily milestones, casually complete eq, pretty much not doing any aq. Currently I'm slowly working on necropolis exploration. I have one 7* r3 cosmic gem and don't really want to use it on any champ atm. Couple of times before they allowed to sell t2a I had to take some random champs to r4, many times to r3. None of the milestones rewards except the final 7* crystal has any noticable value for me. And given it's price, I wouldn't want to go for it anyway. With necropolis being a thing at the moment I'd be happier, if every non unit milestone rewards was replaced with 1 lvl2 revive. Why they're is a 6* ag there? I have 12 unused genetics collecting dust! And once again, I'm far from top f2p chilled player. I really don't know how delusional you need to be to think those milestones rewards are any good, if you're familiar with the game to some extent. Witch one could've expect from people for whom it's literally their daily job. Also I don't even really care, but it is hand down hilarious

    Also I guess it was mentioned, but as I'm not reading all the thread, but to be any important, the rewards should've have 7* shards and r5 6* / r2 7* materials. With people having r3 champs I'd expect it to be obvious for anyone
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 5,876 ★★★★★
    Tensio said:

    Hey guys, I see lots of feedback, and have been thinking about what to respond with. Honestly, I don't know if there is anything to respond with, and I don't think there's anything I can say that will change opinions here.

    This event is something people look forward to, and it's something that we strive to deliver on. This year, we made improvements in every way possible, so your direct feedback with actual actionable items would be appreciated to help me understand.

    We reduced the number of points available for opening each Greater Gifting Crystal, but also reduced the points needed to hit that same milestone last year. Last year, there was 15 Solo Event milestones, with the top reward being a 5-Star Relic at 100,000 points. Buy and opening 25 crystals got you that Milestone. This year, the 15th Milestone is at 75,600 points and is a 6-Star Abyss Nexus Crystal. To get there, you would need to buy and open 28 GBCs. Yes, that is 3 more than before, but it's also arguably a better reward than the Relic Crystal.

    There are also 5 additional Milestones available, and while I get that people are looking at last year's as "I got everything for 25 Crystals", that's not really a fair way to look at this. We extended the runway, added more Milestones for those that want to complete it, and took nothing away from those who don't want to go any further than what they did last time.

    The Alliance event also has one additional Milestone, but to hit the 15th Milestone, it requires fewer crystals from across the whole Alliance than it did to hit the 15th (and final) Milestone of last year. We added one more Milestone this year for those that want to go for it. I think people are looking at those rewards tables as 100% vs 100%, not as the number of milestones, which is how they really should be looked at.

    Additionally, these Crystals have better rewards than the last year's crystals.

    Of course, we can't compare last year's event to this one directly; there's been a lot of changes in the Game, with the addition of 7 Stars, Ascension, and higher ranks, but that doesn't mean that we are going to go crazy with all of those materials. There are a lot of comments on wanting more 7-Star Shards or Rank 3 Materials (we were explicit with where you can expect to get the first available R3 7-Stars), and while I understand where you're coming from, nobody wants to live in a world where we burn through 7-Stars in a year and need to introduce 8-Stars in 2024. There will always be taps that are opened slowly, otherwise we end up burning through content and that's not good for the game.

    I appreciate all of your feedback, but if you have something a bit more actionable or precise as to why you're upset, I would love to take that to the team for future consideration. I want to understand, so we can improve for the future.

    Can’t believe it??? Can’t develop anything better than 8*? Are you really thinking of introduce 8* in the game? Please make your creative department work harder to introduce better ways to improve and make us continue playing

    Of course there will be 8*, eventually. Miike is just saying if they do what people are wanting then it'll make them arrive that much sooner. And we've barely even begun using 7*.
  • MikeTheGamerXMikeTheGamerX Member Posts: 10

    What’s wrong with this event…..

    I will struggle to R2, R4,R5 any champion!!….. no one cares or asked for T4a.

    Increase the amount of T3a and T6b! I will spend the minimum required to help my alliance and that’s it…. Because it’s gonna suck getting T2a and T5b when I just sell them.

    I agree so much

  • MikeTheGamerXMikeTheGamerX Member Posts: 10
    Ugnaut said:

    I mean I’m surprised they haven’t shut this post down by now.
    It’s clear they are tone deaf and don’t really care how bad they failed on this event. It basically is a complete waste of an event for me and many others, there is almost nothing of value for 300 units for crystals and the solo and alliance event rewards are horrible enough why would you spend money/units trying to get them. I realize they will help some players but they have alienated a large portion of their player base.

    Agreed there’s so much conflict going on lol
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 869 ★★★★
    the event is great for thronebreakers and good for early paragons but awful for everyone above that.

    that said i'm with kabam on keeping rewards tame.

    asking for 7 star stuff will further hurt the economy more than it is, 7 months in we're already halfway through the rarity so unless we wants 8s sooner WE need to hope that they slow down.

    if there's inflation, you don't ask your central bank to print more money lol. same here.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 869 ★★★★

    the event is great for thronebreakers and good for early paragons but awful for everyone above that.

    that said i'm with kabam on keeping rewards tame.

    asking for 7 star stuff will further hurt the economy more than it is, 7 months in we're already halfway through the rarity so unless we wants 8s sooner WE need to hope that they slow down.

    if there's inflation, you don't ask your central bank to print more money lol. same here.

    But no one is really asking for r3 materials. Majority of us are just trying to expand our roster some, and to try and get our current roster of 7's to r2, or r5/ascend more of our useful 6's.
    this is us right now: "if they only printed more money, we'd have better stuff right now! gimme gimme!"

    i agree this event is trash for paragons+, but they didn't land on this by accident, they're not dumb. it was all planned and backed by data and their balance and economy guys and everyone else know what they're doing.

    there's no free lunch in mcoc. there's a finite amount of 7* cake, and if we it eat it all up and run out, they will HAVE TO come out with something else.....is that what we want?
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 869 ★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    the event is great for thronebreakers and good for early paragons but awful for everyone above that.

    that said i'm with kabam on keeping rewards tame.

    asking for 7 star stuff will further hurt the economy more than it is, 7 months in we're already halfway through the rarity so unless we wants 8s sooner WE need to hope that they slow down.

    if there's inflation, you don't ask your central bank to print more money lol. same here.

    But no one is really asking for r3 materials. Majority of us are just trying to expand our roster some, and to try and get our current roster of 7's to r2, or r5/ascend more of our useful 6's.
    if we it eat it all up and run out, they will HAVE TO come out with something else.....is that what we want?
    Yes


    this is what it will look like:

    players: "give us more"

    kabam: "there's no more of the same stuff, you ate it all. we have to create something new"

    players: "no, not like that!
  • BznmBznm Member Posts: 32

    ahmynuts said:

    the event is great for thronebreakers and good for early paragons but awful for everyone above that.

    that said i'm with kabam on keeping rewards tame.

    asking for 7 star stuff will further hurt the economy more than it is, 7 months in we're already halfway through the rarity so unless we wants 8s sooner WE need to hope that they slow down.

    if there's inflation, you don't ask your central bank to print more money lol. same here.

    But no one is really asking for r3 materials. Majority of us are just trying to expand our roster some, and to try and get our current roster of 7's to r2, or r5/ascend more of our useful 6's.
    if we it eat it all up and run out, they will HAVE TO come out with something else.....is that what we want?
    Yes


    this is what it will look like:

    players: "give us more"

    kabam: "there's no more of the same stuff, you ate it all. we have to create something new"

    players: "no, not like that!
    Players just want Kabam to do everything they ask for lmao
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 869 ★★★★

    the event is great for thronebreakers and good for early paragons but awful for everyone above that.

    that said i'm with kabam on keeping rewards tame.

    asking for 7 star stuff will further hurt the economy more than it is, 7 months in we're already halfway through the rarity so unless we wants 8s sooner WE need to hope that they slow down.

    if there's inflation, you don't ask your central bank to print more money lol. same here.

    But no one is really asking for r3 materials. Majority of us are just trying to expand our roster some, and to try and get our current roster of 7's to r2, or r5/ascend more of our useful 6's.
    this is us right now: "if they only printed more money, we'd have better stuff right now! gimme gimme!"

    i agree this event is trash for paragons+, but they didn't land on this by accident, they're not dumb. it was all planned and backed by data and their balance and economy guys and everyone else know what they're doing.

    there's no free lunch in mcoc. there's a finite amount of 7* cake, and if we it eat it all up and run out, they will HAVE TO come out with something else.....is that what we want?
    Maybe we should only be getting 4 star crystals and 4 star sig stones. That way, we can make up for where Kabam blew it on July 4th and helped create a disparity in the game that obviously benefited you but even 6 months later.. it still isn’t allowed to benefit others. How dare we ask for R5 6 stars or *gasp* R2 7 stars with a big unit spend. So give us 4 stars for 10k units I say. Table scraps for the rest of us… all to save the economy. I mean we can’t be too sure. This amount of 6 stars could ruin everything.
    love the energy but the this us vs them attitude is wrong.

    if we're really comparing about who gets "scraps", whales get scraps for the amount of money they spend and everyone else eventually gets a nice cheap buffet. you wanna be a whale, go ahead, you'll be paying the most and getting the least amount back.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 869 ★★★★
    Ugnaut said:

    the event is great for thronebreakers and good for early paragons but awful for everyone above that.

    that said i'm with kabam on keeping rewards tame.

    asking for 7 star stuff will further hurt the economy more than it is, 7 months in we're already halfway through the rarity so unless we wants 8s sooner WE need to hope that they slow down.

    if there's inflation, you don't ask your central bank to print more money lol. same here.

    Your logic is misplaced, the central bank already started the issue, in a span of 7 months, they brought out the 7*s, gave us an out of whack rewards 7/4 event as they were greedy. Also provided ascension, R3 options and added valiant I believe too soon. Then dialed back it for cyber weekend and offered basically the same awards as last years banquet event, slightly different. Now we are looking at the event and going, we darn well don’t need t2a, t5b, 5 and 6* materials. If you’re going to have a massive community event make sure it is relevant for the progression problems you created as a company. If it is useless to a large swath of your community then what good it is. I have been playing the game since 2015, I am not FTP and I understand their methods over the years. Even if you’re a whale this isn’t a great event the small amounts of 7* shards and likely low odd drops on t4A don’t make enticing. On top of this they lowered the point values of the GBC so you have to spend 2x the units to reach the solo event max milestones and since the solo event milestone and rank rewards are way out of touch with the reality of the game that THEY created it leaves little incentive for a lot of players to spend money or units. I don’t think it is beyond ridiculous for the event to have higher #s of 7* shards and more R2 materials, I agree R3 materials should be held back. I mean yeah it took them forever to drag out the 6*s, but their greed is what changed expectations drastically I now its like OH the same rewards as last year aren’t good, you mean a 6* nexus isn’t your cup of tea like it was 2 years ago, its a complete joke.
    look, i agree with most of this but the damage is already done and we can't dig ourselves out of this hole by asking for the very thing that caused problems in the first place. if it's poor value, ignore the event.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VjPNKc0VsU
  • AmbjonyAmbjony Member Posts: 209 ★★
    edited December 2023
    I spent 14,5K in cyber weekend, most of it saved, but I endep buying two starlord's and two peter parkers's bundle. I bought dust and materials to rank 5 few players. After this, I was concerned I wouldn't have enough units for banquet.

    Watchin' this event I'm dissapointed but somehow relief, I'm now back at 2k units due to arena and I will spend it with two monthly EQ bundle for revives as I'm planning to try necropolis pretty soon. For me, as an old paragon, this is what I think is more benefitial for me. My alliance said we need to contribute 1250 units (I don't know if they are right) for the event. I'll do that as I have time to recover during this couple of weeks. 300 units are not worth what's inside this crystals, I prefer to buy revives and progress necropolis or save for future needs.

    With better rewards in the GBC or the solo milestones, I will most likely have spent the units in the banquet and delay necropolis run. Now, I have an easy choice.
  • Revenge_of_the_NerfsRevenge_of_the_Nerfs Member Posts: 101
    Specifics:

    These rewards seem geared toward helping players pull 6* champs and get them no higher than R3.

    Thats really stale, considering that many Paragon players are now prioritizing getting 7* champs and taking 7* champs to Rank 2. These rewards are minimally helpful for those goals, and massively dependent on RNG.

    More appropriate rewards, without blowing the game economy, would be along the lines of acquiring 7* champs or AT LEAST getting a few 6* champs to R3/R4. So … like … make it realistic to pull 3-4 each of T3B/T6A and a couple of random T6CC. That’s not asking too much IMO. In-game offers to Paragons are focused on those materials already.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 869 ★★★★
    _ZEUS_ said:

    The bottom line is, the MCOC community has a symbiotic relationship with KABAM (side note symbiotic spider man also needs a rebalance)… anyhoo there are things we want -relevant progression materials, and things they want - money. That being said, I challenge everyone in the MCOC community to spend less than one Odin on this event. 3000 units or less would get the attention of KABAM significantly faster than any of the insightful, thoughtful and sometimes sarcastic posts in this thread. Don’t tune in to the Twitch livestream, and Do not spend money- talking to you 🐳’s!

    what's the point of this though? their intent seems to be to help grow TBers and early paragons and push veteran paragons to use their units for necropolis instead of the banquet.

    if you're mad at the event, it's not meant for you.
  • Tony_5tankTony_5tank Member Posts: 107
    We don’t need 3 t5b drops. That’s silly when people are literally selling them from overflow. My alliance have decided not to participate. Wouldn’t be expecting to be hitting your projected sales for this event. Congrats on nuking the best event of the game
  • AmbjonyAmbjony Member Posts: 209 ★★

    _ZEUS_ said:

    The bottom line is, the MCOC community has a symbiotic relationship with KABAM (side note symbiotic spider man also needs a rebalance)… anyhoo there are things we want -relevant progression materials, and things they want - money. That being said, I challenge everyone in the MCOC community to spend less than one Odin on this event. 3000 units or less would get the attention of KABAM significantly faster than any of the insightful, thoughtful and sometimes sarcastic posts in this thread. Don’t tune in to the Twitch livestream, and Do not spend money- talking to you 🐳’s!

    what's the point of this though? their intent seems to be to help grow TBers and early paragons and push veteran paragons to use their units for necropolis instead of the banquet.

    if you're mad at the event, it's not meant for you.
    It's also meant to milk the whales as the top ranked rewards are awesome and descend heavily for average or non-spenders.
  • StantonaStantona Member Posts: 117 ★★
    So many posts so will apologise if this has already been mentioned.
    Miike as for actionable feedback but what does that actually mean and can anything be actually changed???
    How about we just utilise one of Kabams most favourable items within game, the solo objectives?
    Just like they did for previous months for the EQ where Paragons could pick up the additional rewards?
    It could be 4 levels within a solo objective for Paragon and Valiant players. It would require reaching 4 levels of points in the Banquet Solo event, something like this…

    50k - 5 x T6B & 5 x T3A
    75k - 3 x T6CC Selectors
    100k - 2 x 7* Crystals
    125k - 1 x Titan Crystal
  • TheBaldAvengerTheBaldAvenger Member Posts: 257 ★★
    The biggest problem you have is that you run this event and everyone is in the same pool so it’s impossible to get a balance between rewards that will be to overpowered for some players and rewards that are extremely underwhelming for end game players. The rewards you propose are really good for anyone Thronebreaker and below. For the 2 higher tiers they are kinda meh. Why not do the event tiered like you do with deals, monthly quest etc with better milestone rewards based on progression. That pretty much solves your problem. For players that have been around since the beginning, this event has a special place in their hearts and a lot of those will be the end game players and whales who have been completely turned off by lower rewards that they can get for free just by logging in for a week during anniversary. If you are spending units, you rightfully expect to get more not less and if you guys can’t see that then I have no more words
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