All the mess started from a bad joke from Kabam Miike, we all know he is a serious guy and always send warnings to anyone not serious, so when he tried to be fun, nobody can get it.
All I gotta say is Aegon got a lot of people Valiant titles they wouldn’t have gotten without him 🤔
Boom!!! Mic drop!!!!!!
Not really a mic drop. Bad players had to spend money even with Ægon if they wanted to get Valiant which is fair. With Herc you don't need to spend a single dime, just need a few revives from the Apothecary and even the worst player in the world is ready to go. Hope that also answers your question as to why and how he hurts the economy just by existing (and before you give me that a lot of people are still spending thousands for him no they're not lol he's in the basic pool, most people already have him by the time those offers even come around)
So how come people didn’t use Hercules in necropolis if all they need is a couple revives with him? He’s been limited in a lot of content recently, and will become more limited as seven stars progress. He’s been out for over two years. This isn’t something new. Even though he is still very heavily used He’s less relevant now than he was two years ago. So I’m sure it’s trending in the direction that Kabam likes so why make a stink of it now?
Cause they purposely shut down Hercules with the nodes, which further adds to the whole point of Herc is unhealthy for the game. He's the only champ in the game that receives this treatment. He's not less relevant, especially not with ascensions you're very wrong about that. As to why Kabam wants to nerf him I don't actually know but I can tell you why I want him nerfed. I don't want the first Summoner's Choice champ to die with the 6* status moving forward the same way Quake and Magik died with 5* status. I want all of them to be 7* someday and the only way for that to happen is with a nerf, it doesn't even have to be a hard nerf like Miike explained just take them from absolutely broken to top 5 is it really that big of a deal?
Exactly which they can keep doing was Aegon unhealthy for necropolis???? How long have you been around do you quake. Was she unhealthy for the game? She was far more dominant in her time then Hercules was did they Nerf her? Why is it an issue now??? he was used far far more regularly over a year ago than he is now. There’s always going to be champions that they have to limit in certain content or areas and they can always do it with nodes or exclusions like they always have.
No, Ægon was literally made for that type of content and even then he still requires resources which if you don't have guess what? You have to buy with units, if you don't have units guess what? Yep, money. What's not clicking?
Lmao I've been here since 2015: Yes I do Quake, and yes I want her nerfed so she can be a 6* and 7* someday cause the 5* is completely and utterly useless for me now and I miss those days. Any other straw man arguments you want to bring it up? Let's get them out of the way.
There will always be champs that have to be limited by nodes? Are you new to the forums? They've literally pointed out multiple times that Herc was a mistake, there will never be another champ like Herc because it's not healthy for the game or the economy whether you like it or not.
Looks like I have seniority on you, so here’s my take.
womp womp.
Whether herc gets nerfed or not is not up to any of us us, please stop spamming this thread with random arguments. (and leave aegon alone he’s perfect)
Eh... You just have an old account. You didn't play it that long
Herc is not getting nerfed. The reality is there have been lots of super overpowered champs that have come out post Herc and some of them might need it more than he does if we are going to be real.
If you have a 6* max sig King Groot and half way know how to use him, KG is almost unkillable. Does that mean he needs a nerf too? Maybe nerf Kitty as once you have 10 prowess which you can get in about 20 seconds if you are competent, she is pretty much unkillable as well and hits like a truck. How about Kate? Or CGR if a fight does not have a damage cap can end fights faster than pretty much any champ in the game.
@ItsClobberinTime you want talk about the thread where people were posting how many deaths they put up by beating Titania and dying in the next fight over and over with farmed revives 🤔 maybe we can discuss the countless videos on how to farm revives to prep for Necro runs, how about the countless content creators spending hours farming revives as well 😂
So then the thing that was broken was the revive farming, not Ægon. Guess which one got nerfed and which one didn't? Stop being so dense lol.
Lmao! So you’re saying it was not Aegon It was the revive farming. So after everyone did the revive farming, how come they used Aegon????????? Why didn’t they just use any champ??? Come on you know the answer to this because he made it 10 times easier and dies far less than anyone else
Aegon made necro easier because he *could* do almost every fight. Not because he didn't die far less than anyone else- in fact, he died a lot more than the other good necro champs. Aegon was an attractive option because he was functional almost everywhere and you didn't have to do thoughtful team-building and counter play with champs like wong, shuri, and kate, thanks to the functionally infinite revive farm. Well-planned teams using champs like that take *way* less revives than an aegon run.
@ItsClobberinTime you want talk about the thread where people were posting how many deaths they put up by beating Titania and dying in the next fight over and over with farmed revives 🤔 maybe we can discuss the countless videos on how to farm revives to prep for Necro runs, how about the countless content creators spending hours farming revives as well 😂
So then the thing that was broken was the revive farming, not Ægon. Guess which one got nerfed and which one didn't? Stop being so dense lol.
Lmao! So you’re saying it was not Aegon It was the revive farming. So after everyone did the revive farming, how come they used Aegon????????? Why didn’t they just use any champ??? Come on you know the answer to this because he made it 10 times easier and dies far less than anyone else
Aegon made necro easier because he *could* do almost every fight. Not because he didn't die far less than anyone else- in fact, he died a lot more than the other good necro champs. Aegon was an attractive option because he was functional almost everywhere and you didn't have to do thoughtful team-building and counter play with champs like wong, shuri, and kate, thanks to the functionally infinite revive farm. Well-planned teams using champs like that take *way* less revives than an aegon run.
All I gotta say is Aegon got a lot of people Valiant titles they wouldn’t have gotten without him 🤔
Boom!!! Mic drop!!!!!!
Not really a mic drop. Bad players had to spend money even with Ægon if they wanted to get Valiant which is fair. With Herc you don't need to spend a single dime, just need a few revives from the Apothecary and even the worst player in the world is ready to go. Hope that also answers your question as to why and how he hurts the economy just by existing (and before you give me that a lot of people are still spending thousands for him no they're not lol he's in the basic pool, most people already have him by the time those offers even come around)
So how come people didn’t use Hercules in necropolis if all they need is a couple revives with him? He’s been limited in a lot of content recently, and will become more limited as seven stars progress. He’s been out for over two years. This isn’t something new. Even though he is still very heavily used He’s less relevant now than he was two years ago. So I’m sure it’s trending in the direction that Kabam likes so why make a stink of it now?
Cause they purposely shut down Hercules with the nodes, which further adds to the whole point of Herc is unhealthy for the game. He's the only champ in the game that receives this treatment. He's not less relevant, especially not with ascensions you're very wrong about that. As to why Kabam wants to nerf him I don't actually know but I can tell you why I want him nerfed. I don't want the first Summoner's Choice champ to die with the 6* status moving forward the same way Quake and Magik died with 5* status. I want all of them to be 7* someday and the only way for that to happen is with a nerf, it doesn't even have to be a hard nerf like Miike explained just take them from absolutely broken to top 5 is it really that big of a deal?
Exactly which they can keep doing was Aegon unhealthy for necropolis???? How long have you been around do you quake. Was she unhealthy for the game? She was far more dominant in her time then Hercules was did they Nerf her? Why is it an issue now??? he was used far far more regularly over a year ago than he is now. There’s always going to be champions that they have to limit in certain content or areas and they can always do it with nodes or exclusions like they always have.
No, Ægon was literally made for that type of content and even then he still requires resources which if you don't have guess what? You have to buy with units, if you don't have units guess what? Yep, money. What's not clicking?
Lmao I've been here since 2015: Yes I do Quake, and yes I want her nerfed so she can be a 6* and 7* someday cause the 5* is completely and utterly useless for me now and I miss those days. Any other straw man arguments you want to bring it up? Let's get them out of the way.
There will always be champs that have to be limited by nodes? Are you new to the forums? They've literally pointed out multiple times that Herc was a mistake, there will never be another champ like Herc because it's not healthy for the game or the economy whether you like it or not.
Looks like I have seniority on you, so here’s my take.
womp womp.
Whether herc gets nerfed or not is not up to any of us us, please stop spamming this thread with random arguments. (and leave aegon alone he’s perfect)
Eh... You just have an old account. You didn't play it that long
Ngl I’m not really sure what the difference is lol, I started the game when I was like 13 and have played it ever since.
Don't know where demonzfyre gets his facts from but should read and then reread kabam mikes posts bc there was a big word missing in one of them and that word being (Not) as In not being nerfed. Don't go off on proff hoff he did it right and did his research you didn't.
Reading is difficult, I get it.
Come on you know the forums can struggle with reading.
Just finished 8.1.1. Two of the defenders would not throw specials and got to SP3 and killed me. I didn’t want to have to use Hercules but I did to get through this crappy AI. Fix the.GD game, then talk about nerfing.
Don't know where demonzfyre gets his facts from but should read and then reread kabam mikes posts bc there was a big word missing in one of them and that word being (Not) as In not being nerfed. Don't go off on proff hoff he did it right and did his research you didn't.
Reading is difficult, I get it.
It's cute that you went to the trouble to circle the "not", but left out the "yet" that is what is being keyed on by most that are concerned. The yet dramatically changes the meaning....who would feel their job is safe when the boss says they want to fire you, but they haven't...."yet." I really think it would not have been the dramafest it is, if the clarification had been the yet was an unintended error.
As Lance would say, it's not about the Herc. The history of the community is pretty consistent in that Kabam changing champs that people played for or paid for months after the fact leaves many salty. You have that history, as well as the recent revive farm nerfs and AI issues causing unnecessary deaths that are combining to get people upset again.
I don't think most saying if nerf Herc they are out is because Hercules makes everything easy. He certainly does make some things easy, which IMO is a good thing for the game. Different levels of content difficulty I think makes for a healthy game as it offers options for varied interests between players and within players.
This post will probably be closed soon, but I think Kabam nerfing Herc will be their biggest mistake and will indeed cause a lot of backlash. So it’s better if they don’t do it and rather try to counter him in various other ways.
Remember when Blade entered the contest and pretty much dominated everything? Kabam couldn’t just nerf him because again, community backlash. But rather they decided to counter him by introducing new defenders who weren’t #villains or #dimensionalbeings. Exact same thing is happening with Hercules.
Remember when Blade entered the contest and pretty much dominated everything? Kabam couldn’t just nerf him because again, community backlash. But rather they decided to counter him by introducing new defenders who weren’t #villains or #dimensionalbeings. Exact same thing is happening with Hercules.
That's true, I remember now people scratching their head that Corvus and Proxima weren't villains. It was the start of them trying to reduce the impact of Blade.
If you played this game long enough and read the forum long enough, then you should know Miike didn't mean nerfing Herc, but people just took the opportunity to prove Miike is not good at communicating with the community, which is true IMO.
There was a long thread reacting to Mike's initial confusing Herc post. This was the follow-up to clarify the situation. Not fishing. Besides, what would it matter?
If you played this game long enough and read the forum long enough, then you should know Miike didn't mean nerfing Herc, but people just took the opportunity to prove Miike is not good at communicating with the community, which is true IMO.
I 100% disagree. I believe they want to reduce the potency of Herc in MCOC. I think if we ever want to see him as a 7* he would have to be changed.
Also, while yes, there have been some communication errors in the years of MCOC, Miike isn't as "bad" at communicating as you all portray him to be.
Miike tends to be more raw with the community, especially after such a long time. Most of these people here on the treat Miike and to an extent, Jax, terribly. You want to be able to say anything you want about them but the second they turn it back on you, even just a little bit, you tell them they shouldn't act that way, you'd never talk to "customers" that way, etc..
Most of the time, he's called bad at communicating because you just don't like what's being communicated. As much hate as you all have given Miike over the years, I'm surprised he hasn't left MCOC. It really shows he cares about the game, the company and the community regardless of how he's treated.
It is great Hercules is not getting nerfed. But my friends one day will come when no one care about nerfing Hercules because we will be having great champions in this incredible game.
For now even I don't care if herc get nerfed or not. Because I mostly use him incursions and he always saves me so many revives. If herc get nerfed now then he just only be replaced with Aegon or Angela for incursion. But back in the days when I was new Hercules helped me a lot in act 6.2 to 6.4. Thanks to Hercules and kabam.
But here is the situation of Hercules In AW he is always get banned. In Bg he is useful like others do. In AQ he is useful but other can also do better. In EOP he is useful for first 4 fights specially in left side. I used him in every objective. In Necropolis he is not much useful because in necropolis his immortality wouldn't work. Aegon, kate, shuri will do much better than him. EQ and SQ it doesn't matter even you don't have Hercules you will complete EQ and SQ easily. In Incursion he is the best champion to do the incursion.
Sometime I Hulkling seems much better than herc. Obviously I always chose Hercules whenever he is not banned 😂 but in most of the AW Hercules is no 1 to be banned.
Don't know where demonzfyre gets his facts from but should read and then reread kabam mikes posts bc there was a big word missing in one of them and that word being (Not) as In not being nerfed. Don't go off on proff hoff he did it right and did his research you didn't.
Reading is difficult, I get it.
It's cute that you went to the trouble to circle the "not", but left out the "yet" that is what is being keyed on by most that are concerned. The yet dramatically changes the meaning....who would feel their job is safe when the boss says they want to fire you, but they haven't...."yet." I really think it would not have been the dramafest it is, if the clarification had been the yet was an unintended error.
If you played this game long enough and read the forum long enough, then you should know Miike didn't mean nerfing Herc, but people just took the opportunity to prove Miike is not good at communicating with the community, which is true IMO.
I 100% disagree. I believe they want to reduce the potency of Herc in MCOC. I think if we ever want to see him as a 7* he would have to be changed.
Also, while yes, there have been some communication errors in the years of MCOC, Miike isn't as "bad" at communicating as you all portray him to be.
Miike tends to be more raw with the community, especially after such a long time. Most of these people here on the treat Miike and to an extent, Jax, terribly. You want to be able to say anything you want about them but the second they turn it back on you, even just a little bit, you tell them they shouldn't act that way, you'd never talk to "customers" that way, etc..
Most of the time, he's called bad at communicating because you just don't like what's being communicated. As much hate as you all have given Miike over the years, I'm surprised he hasn't left MCOC. It really shows he cares about the game, the company and the community regardless of how he's treated.
I don't love or hate anyone in this forum. I don't even care about Herc, I have no love on Herc, he is OP but not even in my top10 favorite champions, why do I care? I'm just describing what I saw, of course you can say everyone on Youtube and reddit are wrong and insane, but I think the odd of everyone being wrong but you being right is pretty low.
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we all know he is a serious guy and always send warnings to anyone not serious, so when he tried to be fun, nobody can get it.
If you have a 6* max sig King Groot and half way know how to use him, KG is almost unkillable. Does that mean he needs a nerf too? Maybe nerf Kitty as once you have 10 prowess which you can get in about 20 seconds if you are competent, she is pretty much unkillable as well and hits like a truck. How about Kate? Or CGR if a fight does not have a damage cap can end fights faster than pretty much any champ in the game.
This whole nerf Herc rumour needs to just end.
That's not a rock, This is THE Rock
As Lance would say, it's not about the Herc. The history of the community is pretty consistent in that Kabam changing champs that people played for or paid for months after the fact leaves many salty. You have that history, as well as the recent revive farm nerfs and AI issues causing unnecessary deaths that are combining to get people upset again.
I don't think most saying if nerf Herc they are out is because Hercules makes everything easy. He certainly does make some things easy, which IMO is a good thing for the game. Different levels of content difficulty I think makes for a healthy game as it offers options for varied interests between players and within players.
Remember when Blade entered the contest and pretty much dominated everything? Kabam couldn’t just nerf him because again, community backlash. But rather they decided to counter him by introducing new defenders who weren’t #villains or #dimensionalbeings. Exact same thing is happening with Hercules.
Also, while yes, there have been some communication errors in the years of MCOC, Miike isn't as "bad" at communicating as you all portray him to be.
Miike tends to be more raw with the community, especially after such a long time. Most of these people here on the treat Miike and to an extent, Jax, terribly. You want to be able to say anything you want about them but the second they turn it back on you, even just a little bit, you tell them they shouldn't act that way, you'd never talk to "customers" that way, etc..
Most of the time, he's called bad at communicating because you just don't like what's being communicated. As much hate as you all have given Miike over the years, I'm surprised he hasn't left MCOC. It really shows he cares about the game, the company and the community regardless of how he's treated.
I could give an eff less about a buff or nerf. I play for fun.
Others don’t. They used Herc to get through stuff. If there was a nerf, suddenly nobody else would be able to?
No. That’s pretty weak.
For now even I don't care if herc get nerfed or not. Because I mostly use him incursions and he always saves me so many revives. If herc get nerfed now then he just only be replaced with Aegon or Angela for incursion. But back in the days when I was new Hercules helped me a lot in act 6.2 to 6.4. Thanks to Hercules and kabam.
But here is the situation of Hercules
In AW he is always get banned.
In Bg he is useful like others do.
In AQ he is useful but other can also do better.
In EOP he is useful for first 4 fights specially in left side. I used him in every objective.
In Necropolis he is not much useful because in necropolis his immortality wouldn't work. Aegon, kate, shuri will do much better than him.
EQ and SQ it doesn't matter even you don't have Hercules you will complete EQ and SQ easily.
In Incursion he is the best champion to do the incursion.
Sometime I Hulkling seems much better than herc. Obviously I always chose Hercules whenever he is not banned 😂 but in most of the AW Hercules is no 1 to be banned.
So for me Hercules is only useful in incursion.
People do have difficulty connecting causes and effects.
I don't even care about Herc, I have no love on Herc, he is OP but not even in my top10 favorite champions, why do I care? I'm just describing what I saw, of course you can say everyone on Youtube and reddit are wrong and insane, but I think the odd of everyone being wrong but you being right is pretty low.